In real life I have met two people this week who believe themselves to be exalted spiritual personages.

One told me not to tell anyone and I told him not to worry. The other told me that if anyone bowed down to him, he would tell him to get back up and that we are all brothers.

I said, cool, thanks for that.

It feels like this thread is spilling out into reality.

It is not out of the question that the true sign of the Apocalypse is when each soul on earth starts to believe in its own saviorhood.

A world full of Jesus's who don't know shit about carpentry.

Stupid anyway, since it is obvious that I am the true messiah.


p.s.

Q: What kind of shoes did Jesus wear?

A: Cross trainers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

Quote: (08-02-2016 12:15 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Uh oh. The curse of plain text. Sarcasm taken literally.

Awe come on Hades, please don't melt down. I enjoy your posts!

Hades bruh what the fuck.
Come join us over at the no-alcohol wagon thread. Stop drinking so much.
This whole thing about teetotalism is a rather queer concept for you is just hamstering.
The grandiosity that you're writing about is delusional. Just focus on concrete shit and get your head down from the clouds man.

Let the good times roll

Quote: (08-02-2016 09:12 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Most of us probably knew that but couldn't quite confirm it because we're all ready to entertain cases of manic disorder that occasionally appear on the internet usually due to drug use. Now it's confirmed and everyone can go back to not being entertained.

I don't know: part of being on this forum is tolerating some degree of sociosexual and psychological issues, and I find Hades far more entertaining than the Idealised Ego Fantasy Persona of Nasa Test Pilot's Sad Gamma Puppeteer, because at least he's showing the spiritual desire to be a good man, rather than a popular one.

Hades: remember Christian Humility. God will judge, not you. The voices that are cultivating violence and hatred in your heart are false whispers. Do not give into them.

8/10 Meltdown, would read again. It's almost as good as this one from Rosca. thread-17609...#pid303793

Hades bro I don't think you've been alright since starting this thread atleast

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Personally I would check in to rehab and slow down. You're starting to sound like my friends whom turned into druggies. You're somewhere in there man don't let the stress, bottle, and assorted vices get to you.

You're turning your brain into mush.

Quote: (08-03-2016 06:14 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

I don't know: part of being on this forum is tolerating some degree of sociosexual and psychological issues, and I find Hades far more entertaining than the Idealised Ego Fantasy Persona of Nasa Test Pilot's Sad Gamma Puppeteer, because at least he's showing the spiritual desire to be a good man, rather than a popular one.

lol... no, no, I agree with you in principle. The thing about Hades is that he's putting on a show. He's not sincere. He's trolling you for his own amusement. Thus, he's not entertaining. He's distracting. Every time someone concern-counsels him they're being successfully played for ENTERTAINMENT. But also probably a little bit of narcissistic supply, which the obviousness of the joke, I'm sure, makes a little more sweet. That he's playing around is quite obvious.

At least NTP was sincere and not having an obvious laugh at everyone's expense, whatever else you might think of him. But he's not the point. Hades keeping the running gag going for as long as the forum will let themselves be the butt of a sophomoric joke is. He's all but told you that he doesn't take himself, but especially you (us), seriously.

I personally don't care, as long as he doesn't demand that anyone take him seriously. Rock on, buddy. But, for Pete's sake, don't continue to play along like he's for real!

Quote: (08-03-2016 07:07 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 06:14 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

I don't know: part of being on this forum is tolerating some degree of sociosexual and psychological issues, and I find Hades far more entertaining than the Idealised Ego Fantasy Persona of Nasa Test Pilot's Sad Gamma Puppeteer, because at least he's showing the spiritual desire to be a good man, rather than a popular one.

The thing about Hades is that he's putting on a show. He's not sincere. He's trolling you for his own amusement.

I have personally met Hades and hung out with him and two of his buddies. I say this with complete conviction: he is not being insincere and he is not trolling this forum.

Quote: (08-03-2016 07:07 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

lol... no, no, I agree with you in principle. The thing about Hades is that he's putting on a show. He's not sincere. He's trolling you for his own amusement. Thus, he's not entertaining. He's distracting. Every time someone concern-counsels him they're being successfully played for ENTERTAINMENT. But also probably a little bit of narcissistic supply, which the obviousness of the joke, I'm sure, makes a little more sweet. That he's playing around is quite obvious.

At least NTP was sincere and not having an obvious laugh at everyone's expense, whatever else you might think of him.

Well, the difference is NTP was a Sockpuppet for a member to project their idealised fantasy lifestyle onto. He was anything but sincere and harmless: that whole performance was too detailed and too committed for no obvious reward for him, given that he wouldn't be able to meet anyone. The most likely explanation would be Ressentiment, but I guess it's all theory and we'll never know.

Both Hades and his brother are well-known and vouched for by members from both their online and offline interactions, and they've generated enough goodwill over the years for people to be genuinely-concerned for his well-being. This would mean multiple members involved in some kind of grand conspiracy. It's hard to imagine more than two committed actors going to that kind of trouble.

There has been much worried discussion in private between members who know the deeper context of his life. I've had about four messages in private from guys who are more deeply-in the know than I am. We saw the deterioration happening in real time and know the struggles he's been dealing with. We heard about the institutional processes and prescription drug cocktails that could realistically leave him in this state. We know this from both his public posts on here and his brothers private discussions. I've spoken with Hades privately, and the breaks are evident and very real to my eyes, particularly the grandiose manic state in one message and the flat depressive state in the next.

That's the thing, `Thoughtgypsy leaps in here and says Hades words are inconsistent with his posting history, but, he somehow seems to have missed the ongoing public decay: Hades has voiced these same sentiments for months now. Hell, I'm sure I'm not the only member who has heard them in private.

So, thank you `Hydrogonian but your analysis of the situation is both unwanted and ill-informed, which is consistent with your posting history.

I want a couple posts on each page of this thread so when Dateline NBC does the in-depth profile on Hades after his killing spree, I'll get a good laugh when they scroll through this thread on television as they analyze his profound mental delusions.

Quote: (08-03-2016 11:39 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

I want a couple posts on each page of this thread so when Dateline NBC does the in-depth profile on Hades after his killing spree, I'll get a good laugh when they scroll through this thread on television as they analyze his profound mental delusions.

Getting a laugh off of someone else's misery?
Chill, cowboy. Stop egging people on for fleeting schadenfreude.
You've met a couple people so clearly you're legit, lets just keep off this thread if we can't add to the conversation shall we? Thanks in advance.

Quote: (08-04-2016 12:07 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 11:39 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

I want a couple posts on each page of this thread so when Dateline NBC does the in-depth profile on Hades after his killing spree, I'll get a good laugh when they scroll through this thread on television as they analyze his profound mental delusions.

Getting a laugh off of someone else's misery?
Chill, cowboy. Stop egging people on for fleeting schadenfreude.
You've met a couple people so clearly you're legit, lets just keep off this thread if we can't add to the conversation shall we? Thanks in advance.

Seems like a troll job. You don't think so?

Quote: (08-04-2016 12:16 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

Quote: (08-04-2016 12:07 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 11:39 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

I want a couple posts on each page of this thread so when Dateline NBC does the in-depth profile on Hades after his killing spree, I'll get a good laugh when they scroll through this thread on television as they analyze his profound mental delusions.

Getting a laugh off of someone else's misery?
Chill, cowboy. Stop egging people on for fleeting schadenfreude.
You've met a couple people so clearly you're legit, lets just keep off this thread if we can't add to the conversation shall we? Thanks in advance.

Seems like a troll job. You don't think so?

Hades is one of the last guys I would expect to be trolling like this. He's probably just in a rough patch more than likely. He needs help not discouragement.

Nice emotional ramp-up of the discussion. Well done.

Quote: (08-03-2016 09:15 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Well, the difference is NTP was a Sockpuppet for a member to project their idealised fantasy lifestyle onto.

Even though I tried to politely steer you away from your irrelevant example, you seem to be intent on somehow using NTP in an unrelated discussion. It's off topic, but since you insist.

The people who were defending NTP were into his more informational thread. Most people who were burning down the house to oust him were worried about his inconsistencies in jerk-off topics like buddhism and surfing, and it was mostly clear they had never deeply engaged in his better thread. Your characterization of him being a good example of this dichotomy. I never read about his lifestyle in any detail, nor did I give a shit other than one time I commented on a photo that he posted. The battle over NTP was essentially a battle between people who cared about the better information that he provided and the people who were pissed that they felt that they were taken in by his lifestyle claims, and decided to take revenge because of it.

And the visceral reaction is strange. I'd never get that emotionally involved with another man's lifestyle that I'd be so offended when it turned out to be a lie that I would be as pissed as you seem to be this far down the road .

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He was anything but sincere and harmless:

Everything that is said behind pseudonyms on the internet is harmless. He was sincere in his geopolitics thread. Your hyperbole reveals the general forum imbalance on NTP.

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that whole performance was too detailed and too committed for no obvious reward for him, given that he wouldn't be able to meet anyone. The most likely explanation would be Ressentiment, but I guess it's all theory and we'll never know.

This is a strange mix of shallow and over-daignosed pseudo-psychology. On one hand, you ignore his sincere information. On the other, you apply a psychological term that is an obvious over diagnosis given the information available to everyone.

I'm curious as to how long you guys are going to bring up NTP whenever you feel desperate in an argument with me. It's never going to throw me off, and it comes off as if you have nothing else to say that is pertinent to the argument at hand.

I don't even get the desperateness in this case, aside from noting a high level of emotion over Hades. My denouncement wasn't that impassioned. It's my opinion. Do what you want. How does what I said on the matter affect you, emotionally, to the degree that you responded the way that you did? Is a dissenting opinion that scandalous for you that you immediately break down to the level of an ad-hominem attack?

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Both Hades and his brother are well-known and vouched for by members from both their online and offline interactions, and they've generated enough goodwill over the years for people to be genuinely-concerned for his well-being.

Oh, okay. Then go on humoring him. I could care less. You're being crazy emotional over this. Which is fucking weird. When I see show going on, I call it out because I'm being asked to participate in it as much as is everyone else here by virtue of it being a multi-thread show on the forum. If your perceived personal investment in Hades prevents you from doing that, then it isn't my problem. I don't care about your irl "vouching", and how could I considering that this is your personal experience that you are now revealing? Though, you are certainly welcome to adjust your behavior to individuals because of irl interaction. But keep in mind that this is an internet forum, and I'm going on the words that have been posted on the forum.

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This would mean multiple members involved in some kind of grand conspiracy.

"Grand conspiracy"? You may wish to turn some of that armchair psychological skill on yourself. The topic of whether or not Hades is sincere is neither that important nor that emotional. Telling anyone, that holds to the belief that Hades is probably trolling, that they believe in a "grand conspiracy" isn't a rational argument. It's hyperbole. Again.

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It's hard to imagine more than two committed actors going to that kind of trouble.

I fail to see the logic in your conspiracy strawman. The entirety of the context of my post is relegated to what he has posted, and him only.

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There has been much worried discussion in private between members who know the deeper context of his life. I've had about four messages in private from guys who are more deeply-in the know than I am.

What do your private discussions have to do with open forum posts?

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We saw the deterioration happening in real time and know the struggles he's been dealing with.

What do your irl experiences have to do wiith public forum posts, especially when you largely keep them to yourselves? You know that this is a public forum, correct?

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We heard about the institutional processes and prescription drug cocktails that could realistically leave him in this state.

1. Private information, kept private, has nothing to do with public forum posts and how the general membership perceives those posts.
2. I asked him, point blank, about drugs and he admitted only to alcohol and tobacco.
3.This "state" was pretty much revealed to be a joke when he made a post that was clearly designed to be over-the-top, for laughs, rather than any sincere expression of mania: revealing the rest of his posts to be likely-jokes.

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We know this from both his public posts on here and his brothers private discussions. I've spoken with Hades privately, and the breaks are evident and very real to my eyes, particularly the grandiose manic state in one message and the flat depressive state in the next.

1. Are you a psychologist?
2. The public posts I've seen seem like a light hearted troll job. Again, I could care. But the concern-counseling is unwarranted in my opinion, especially in public. But you can prove it either way: If he really needs help, then what you can do is take away the narcissistic supply by ceasing response to his claimed-to-be-sincere manic expressions in public and take it to pm. If it continues, and he doesn't become disinterested in the conversation and your help over time, then consider your perspective vindicated. If he doesn't and he isn't, well... Either way, the manic show and the responses, insofar as they are being taken seriously, are more appropriately handled in pm.

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That's the thing, `Thoughtgypsy leaps in here and says Hades words are inconsistent with his posting history, but, he somehow seems to have missed the ongoing public decay: Hades has voiced these same sentiments for months now.

If it is sincere, then your gentle forum advice isn't professionally appropriate nor warranted. He would need long term observation (over days) and fast, and maybe even need to be involuntarily committed. If sincere, he seems like a danger to himself and others. If sincere, you need to stop humoring him on a public forum. Get it?

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So, thank you `Hydrogonian but your analysis of the situation is both unwanted and ill-informed, which is consistent with your posting history.

My analysis was light-hearted and, actually done in the same spirit as you guys felt justified with in attacking NTP. You saw what you thought was bullshit and pointed it out. The main difference, I suppose, is that I can't possibly be so bothered to be as personally offended as you guys became over NTP and are, in your reverse role, becoming now.

Ironically, it is your analysis of this situation that is "ill-informed" if what you are saying about him is true. Stop giving it attention in public. If you have contacts, start getting him help as of last month. Stop practicing your pseudo-psychology.

And I'm doing everything in my power to stay polite and within the forum rules on commentary, considering. Your personal attack on me is bullshit and craven to put it mildly. But keep harboring that rage over the time a guy defended a forum member against a wave of similar rage. Seriously, keep lashing out and taking jabs. It only further reveals a strange, misplaced anger that you can't let go of.

If you are speaking of posting history of mine beyond NTP, you should come out and talk about it right now. Instead of continuously hiding behind vague, cowardly jabs when you feel angry.

So that you know what fucking with you looks like, as opposed to manic psychosis, here it is:

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Fuck yourself. I am worth millions. Possibly billions. My worth can not be judged by man.

I wheel and deal on a constant basis. I own at least eighty businesses. I am the most powerful businessman outside of Trump, and only due to capital and circumstance.

This week my friends and I will go to Vegas and completely demolish the entire strip, for we are all mad scientists and extremely intelligent.

Your understanding of hustle is an insult to mine. Do not belittle me, for I tolerate no disrespect.

I am self employed to the utmost, Cattle Rustler. Slay milfs and live your own life. Send me all your cash and I might consider not suing you for everything you own and more. I own an army of lawyers all across the world. I sue cops and criminals alike.

But please, by all means, continue. As I keep mentioning, and as a final mention, I don't care.

Though, realize that only engaging this like an adult will help him; if he's sincere.

The only other plausible scenario is that these monologues are a sincere ploy for attention because he's lonely, but that wouldn't make their mania less invented.

He would simply need sincere friends, and help in realizing that being outrageous isn't the way to go about that. In other words, rewarding him for the outrageousness is most likely counter-productive to building the personal skills, and working toward the detox, that he would need to make that happen. Don't you guys know people who have built their social status on being a caricature? Is it ever pretty or socially productive? Help him and don't encourage it, if he's not bullshitting and merely needs social attention. Go see him, talk to him like a person and not an audience member, encourage him to seek healthy personal habits, don't enable his bad habits, and be a reliable friend in spite of probably a long-term future of being shit on. That is, if you care as much as you say that you do.

Hades. This suit does not look good on you.

Is Hades asking for the form of our destructor? I know I am new here but.....

Well, outside of questioning his sanity I will answer the question.

I have no idea how the Apocalypse will get here but am sure it will include everyone with their phones taking pictures or massive amounts of cheering.

Does that help?

Notice how many of these threads here, to include the NTP thread referenced but also others, blow up well beyond their rational emotional boundaries because guys come in and white-knight for their best bros who they have met irl and can't stand to see confronted by other men on the public forum, even mildly, who aren't in their irl best bros club.

Realize how it comes off.

Get a grip. It's an internet forum.

In general, for those that continue to want to gallop in on your steed, be cognizant of how your 'rescue my best-bro' ethic disrupts the communication on the public internet forum. An on-topic, calm argument is one thing. Merely wanting to save your buddy's narrative, because he's your buddy, and ad-hominem attacks are another.

It's all in good fun. I'm all for discussing Götterdämmerung.

Quote: (08-03-2016 09:02 PM)Roadrunner Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 07:07 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 06:14 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

I don't know: part of being on this forum is tolerating some degree of sociosexual and psychological issues, and I find Hades far more entertaining than the Idealised Ego Fantasy Persona of Nasa Test Pilot's Sad Gamma Puppeteer, because at least he's showing the spiritual desire to be a good man, rather than a popular one.

The thing about Hades is that he's putting on a show. He's not sincere. He's trolling you for his own amusement.

I have personally met Hades and hung out with him and two of his buddies. I say this with complete conviction: he is not being insincere and he is not trolling this forum.

I have drafted the Seven Letters and four of the seals have been opened.

You all had best find a bunker, get far underground, and start donating 10% of your things to small Catholic churches in Minnesota for now. Ones in Waseca and Mankato in particular.