Quote: (07-17-2016 02:28 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

- When you order a starter and a main dish there is a great chance you receive the main dish before the starter or at the same time

I noticed this just recently as well, but the Ukrainian ladies I've been with say it's normal, at least in Kiev. I wonder why.

Quote: (07-17-2016 01:42 PM)Vronski Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 10:45 AM)Lika Wrote:  

In restaurants for me 50% of the time, they are very friendly and 50% very unfriendly.

Personally I don't need a "friendly" service. If the waiter/tress is polite, discreet and efficient, it's largely enough.

Efficient Ukrainian service is an oxymoron to me.

And when I say friendly, I mean "not outright antipathetic"

But it's true that there are many modern places who are really trying to develop good service. Ukraine is improving but it's still very marginal.

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:43 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:28 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

- When you order a starter and a main dish there is a great chance you receive the main dish before the starter or at the same time

I noticed this just recently as well, but the Ukrainian ladies I've been with say it's normal, at least in Kiev. I wonder why.

Actually the secret is to specify in which order you want what exactly, even with several persons. Very simple

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:50 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:43 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:28 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

- When you order a starter and a main dish there is a great chance you receive the main dish before the starter or at the same time

I noticed this just recently as well, but the Ukrainian ladies I've been with say it's normal, at least in Kiev. I wonder why.

Actually the secret is to specify in which order you want what exactly, even with several persons. Very simple

I have specified it all the time but in some restaurants they simply don't get that. And based on your argument should I also specify that I want my desert after the main dish?

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:56 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:50 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:43 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2016 02:28 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

- When you order a starter and a main dish there is a great chance you receive the main dish before the starter or at the same time

I noticed this just recently as well, but the Ukrainian ladies I've been with say it's normal, at least in Kiev. I wonder why.

Actually the secret is to specify in which order you want what exactly, even with several persons. Very simple

I have specified it all the time but in some restaurants they simply don't get that. And based on your argument should I also specify that I want my desert after the main dish?

Don't order desert at the same time when you order your starter. Way too complicated for Ukraine.

While everyone is complaining about the Ukrainian dining experience, I'll add that they sure as fuck don't know what scrambled eggs are!

Im used to crazy drivers and great service here.

Both were fine in ukraine.

I hate service in the states. Asking me if everything is fine every two seconds and having every manager visit my table drives me psycho.

Quote: (07-17-2016 05:05 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

I'll add that they sure as fuck don't know what scrambled eggs are!

Depends where (it's just as for service I guess - better place, better eggs ).

There is a great "no limit breakfast" on weekends (with scrambled eggs) at Gastrorock for 150 grv (a steal!!!). Craft beer is also included lol. You need to book a table, it's most often full ("posh hipster" clientele).

https://www.facebook.com/GastroRock/?fref=ts

http://borysov.com.ua/en/events/gastroro...breakfasts

You also have a good beakfast menu at Kanapa for 80 grv. One dish (including delicious scrambled eggs with fried smoked salo, tomatoes, mushrooms, ect), tea or coffee and fruit juice. Their red fruits vareniky (another dish on the breakfast menu) are to die for BTW. Highly enjoyable terrace on Andrevsky Descent, and another one in the back with city view. A great way to begin the day.

https://www.facebook.com/restoransalonKanapa/

There's surely a lot of good venues for breakfasts in Kiev, those are the ones I know (I'm a regular at Kanapa, be it for breakfast, for lunch or for dinner) and that are near my apartment.

Sometimes it's not the servers that are to blame in Ukraine just an inept system, if you order a beer in a bar in many places in Europe for instance, it's in front of your face in under a minute, in Ukraine it can take ten minutes. The servers are often cheerful, until something is wrong with the order then they always act like you are the one to blame.

Another problem with the system is that servers have to pay for mistakes out of their own pocket, if you order a coffee and she brings you a tea, you are better to just accept the mistake.

Many restaurants, especially on the cheaper end, don't care about you at all, they just want to grab your money they don't care whether you come back or not.

I'm going to chime in here and give a update on my short (4 day) experience so far in Ukraine.
Me and some other dudes from the forum had photos taken in Budapest by a professional photographer, and man what a difference it made.
I've never had my tinder or Badoo work as well as here in Kiev. The amount of likes I get now compared to any other place in the world, including Colombia (I'm blue eyed and scandinavian looking) is through the roof. I never thought that taking professional photos would make such a big difference, but boy was I worng. I highly recommend anyone that gets the opportunity to do the same.

Got the flag after 3 days. She came over on Sunday, brought groceries, cooked me dinner and stayed for the day. She was def no stunner, but still good enough to keep me entertained for the day.

Took a taxi home the other day and the guy turns out to be a photographer. He gave me his number and was down to do photos. I'm not sure if the number works as he did not use whatsapp or viber. If anyone here in Kiev wants to try the number and see if its worth a shot, PM me.

Quote: (07-18-2016 03:13 AM)greven Wrote:  

Me and some other dudes from the forum had photos taken in Budapest by a professional photographer, and man what a difference it made.
I've never had my tinder or Badoo work as well as here in Kiev. The amount of likes I get now compared to any other place in the world, including Colombia (I'm blue eyed and scandinavian looking) is through the roof. I never thought that taking professional photos would make such a big difference, but boy was I worng. I highly recommend anyone that gets the opportunity to do the same.

Did you try not using professional photos on your profile too? I tried both and for me it did not make a difference at all. I am still getting plenty of matches and replies more than in any other country from online dating including Colombia and I am also looking Scandinavian. I think the reason why you get so much response are not your photos but Ukraine has this massive pool of 7s who struggle to find a decent looking guy, who has some money and can provide a solid lifestyle. Also girls from online dating tell me that they get so many messages from old guys or Turks that you a normal guy like you has a big advantage.

^What he said.

The amount of matches I got in 10 days must've been in the vicinity of 100-150 - and that was including using Flame for Tinder (which allows you to 'approve' girls who have already liked you - rather than mindlessly swiping for hours and matching 5s and below which you have no interest in). I think getting a match is one thing, actually getting them to meet you is another. It's still a numbers game, and just because you match - I mean how much investment is that on a girls part? Fuck all. Meeting you and actually making time for you in her life? A little more.

I think getting past the interrogation for me was the hardest part in converting Tinder matches into dates. I started getting more of a feel towards the end.

Yeah it's less about the photos, more about the location. I could be smeared in dog shit in my Tinder photos and still get hundreds of matches in Manila, for example. I get lots of matches in Kiev as well, but as Dirkus mentioned, getting the hottest ones out is a challenge. That's why I invest my time more on daygame - higher likelihood of the girl getting her tight little ass out to meet, and when they do come out it's not under that jaded Tinder pretense.

Greven is not lying about his pics. I saw them and if I saw him on tinder I would swipe right so hard my screen would crack.
He's a cool bloke.... but secretly I hate him for his cool tinder photos. True story

Arrived recently in Kiev. Will be staying in Kiev for some time. Definitely some good looking girls walking around, some nice looking areas, and some run down areas. Should be a fun trip. Anybody around send me a PM. Planning on checking out SkyBar tonight.

I'm in Kiev from now til the end of August, staying in the centre, drop me a pm if you're around and wanna grab a beer

Quote: (07-19-2016 04:07 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Greven is not lying about his pics. I saw them and if I saw him on tinder I would swipe right so hard my screen would crack.
He's a cool bloke.... but secretly I hate him for his cool tinder photos. True story

Yeah my photos are pretty good, but I secretly hate Cr33ping for the talent he's meeting compared to the 5s and 6s that want to meet me of tinder..

Quote: (07-19-2016 06:42 AM)MikeMcLaren Wrote:  

Arrived recently in Kiev. Will be staying in Kiev for some time. Definitely some good looking girls walking around, some nice looking areas, and some run down areas. Should be a fun trip. Anybody around send me a PM. Planning on checking out SkyBar tonight.

You can check it out tonight for a drink or two, but every weekday is karaoke night and there are some better options for that tonight. Jaguar Lounge or Just Café came to my mind.

Wanted to go to somewhere closer to me, so I went to D'lux Entertainment Complex. It was closed, so taxi driver suggested Budha Bar. Budha Bar was close to empty even though I did talk to one group of girls. Rocha, appreciate suggestions. I will check out. Any other good spots for Sunday-Thursday?

Quote: (07-19-2016 03:40 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

You can check it out tonight for a drink or two, but every weekday is karaoke night and there are some better options for that tonight. Jaguar Lounge or Just Café came to my mind.

Quote: (07-20-2016 12:57 AM)MikeMcLaren Wrote:  

Wanted to go to somewhere closer to me, so I went to D'lux Entertainment Complex. It was closed, so taxi driver suggested Budha Bar. Budha Bar was close to empty even though I did talk to one group of girls. Rocha, appreciate suggestions. I will check out. Any other good spots for Sunday-Thursday?

Quote: (07-19-2016 03:40 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

You can check it out tonight for a drink or two, but every weekday is karaoke night and there are some better options for that tonight. Jaguar Lounge or Just Café came to my mind.

I would avoid Buddha Bar. All girls hanging around the bar a pros. Since Vodka Bar turned into a gay bar Buddha Bar seems to be the go to place for them and their clients.

As it was already discussed here several times Sunday-Wednesday since Euromaidan nightlife in Kiev is not good anymore on weekdays because of the fact that people don´t have the money to go out everynight.

I agree with Rocha on Jaguar Lounge and JustCafe during weekdays. You can also try the bars around Sheveshenko university like Banka bar for example. Another option in summer is the bars around Podol. But in terms of nighclubs weekdays are pretty dead everywhere. Maybe try Forsage or Saxon but these clubs are pretty far from the center and I have no idea if they are busy during the week.

Last option I can think of is when the weather is nice you can go to the terasse bar at Avalon. The talent there can be very, very good but again it is kind of a restaurant setup and makes it difficult to mingle.

But this is Ukraine so here everything is possible everywhere even in the most fucked up bar you can think of.

Yeah, there was one girl at bar talking to guy that seemed like Pro. The girls I talked to weren't I believe (or they didn't ask me for anything). They seemed to know the bar staff.

Quote: (07-20-2016 01:23 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Quote: (07-20-2016 12:57 AM)MikeMcLaren Wrote:  

Wanted to go to somewhere closer to me, so I went to D'lux Entertainment Complex. It was closed, so taxi driver suggested Budha Bar. Budha Bar was close to empty even though I did talk to one group of girls. Rocha, appreciate suggestions. I will check out. Any other good spots for Sunday-Thursday?

Quote: (07-19-2016 03:40 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

You can check it out tonight for a drink or two, but every weekday is karaoke night and there are some better options for that tonight. Jaguar Lounge or Just Café came to my mind.

I would avoid Buddha Bar. All girls hanging around the bar a pros. Since Vodka Bar turned into a gay bar Buddha Bar seems to be the go to place for them and their clients.

As it was already discussed here several times Sunday-Wednesday since Euromaidan nightlife in Kiev is not good anymore on weekdays because of the fact that people don´t have the money to go out everynight.

I agree with Rocha on Jaguar Lounge and JustCafe during weekdays. You can also try the bars around Sheveshenko university like Banka bar for example. Another option in summer is the bars around Podol. But in terms of nighclubs weekdays are pretty dead everywhere. Maybe try Forsage or Saxon but these clubs are pretty far from the center and I have no idea if they are busy during the week.

Last option I can think of is when the weather is nice you can go to the terasse bar at Avalon. The talent there can be very, very good but again it is kind of a restaurant setup and makes it difficult to mingle.

But this is Ukraine so here everything is possible everywhere even in the most fucked up bar you can think of.

How about Coyote Ugly during the week? I heard it was good weekends

Quote: (07-20-2016 02:38 AM)MikeMcLaren Wrote:  

How about Coyote Ugly during the week? I heard it was good weekends

Coyote Ugly can be very good on Thursdays. But it is kind of a hit and miss it can be dead but then I had other Thursdays where groups of girls had their bachelorette parties and then you have a relatively packed place with a 70/30 female to male ratio.

Sorry babushka and caribbean club are also good on weekdays (forgot which day for each). Someone from the forum had pmed me the details

Uklon rip-off: I've been using Uklon and saw a rip-off that you should be aware of: the Uklon drivers pretend to not know English because they want foreigners to press the English speaking option and get charged more. What happened was that I cancelled the trip because the guy wasn't communicating with me even though I kept repeating my location. The same driver then called me up in very good English, and I asked him if he spoke English. He said "sometimes" lol. Anyway just keep repeating your location if the driver calls and you and starts talking in fast Ukrainian to see if you understand.