Quote: (03-25-2016 12:13 PM)kalimero Wrote:
Please bear with the length of this post. If it is not desirable just let me know and I will take that into consideration for my next ones.
So I've been gaming at night in night clubs and bars for the last couple of weeks with no luck this time (The Spanish girl was my last success), although I got a couple of numbers that led nowhere (not very surprising). In general they would either not answer at all, answer with non-enthusiastic message and the conversation just fade out or hit me with the I have a boyfriend line friendship bullshit. One interested story happend when I went once to a bar pretty late (around 2am) straight from a jam session and had still my guitar on me. A girl approaches me and tells me that she has to leave now but she likes me, would love to listen to me playing guitar and that's why she wanna give me her number. I was not prepared for something like that so I didn't know how to react. I just said: "hmm..., okay. Give me your number and I might contact you later". Sticking to the 2 days rule and strictly following Roosh's texting script and texted her later one but she insisted on talking on the phone before meeting. I said no and told her that for a first impression I'd rather meet her in person since phone calls are too impersonal. She still insisted on that but I didn't give in and ended up ignoring her at the end. I didn't like that she wanted to check me out on the phone to see if it's safe to meet me in person as if I were a psycho serial killer or something although she was the one to insist on giving me her number. Anyway, next, I move one!
Should have just called her. It's not holding frame over something as petty as a phone call. Some guys on the forum only call girls period instead of text. Perhaps she wanted to hear the sound of your voice to gauge how well you sang?
Something to keep in mind for next time.
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In general, I still seem to have a problem with my first approach. It get's much easier once you are really in, by the third or the fourth approach. But that first one ist just always the hardest, especially if you're going out solo. To speed things up, following some advice here on the forum and Roosh's books, I started chatting up random people on the street and going to small concerts and things like that before hitting the bars and clubs.
Good to hear. Keep that up. Try to make people laugh too if at all possible in these conversations.
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Yesterday was another unsuccessful day. As I arrived to the club, the queue had already started building up. I stood there behind two cute girls and their 20s. Both of them were about 7~8. Later on I found out that are 20 and 22. I guess since I'm 30 and the thought of the possibility of getting lucky with a girl 10 years younger than me must have contributed to me fucking up the whole thing later on. So far the youngest girl I ever had something with was like 3 years younger than me.
Well work on that. Younger girls are always preferable. It doesn't take as much to impress them. Just stay confident and remember that girls always dig older guys. It's natural and it's biological. Always try your luck with younger girls before anything. Guys like Giovonny on the forum are banging 18-21 year olds at 40. I believe you'll be able too as well.
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I started a conversation by saying:
Me: I heard no one is allowed to dance tonight (for those who don't know, Germany has on certain religious days a complete ban on dancing activities which no one seem to care about and is not really enforced).
They: (laughing) oh really we didn't know we thought it's only starting tomorrow.
Me: No it's today already. So how do we this now? I'm not sure it's a good idea to get in now?
They: Hell no I wanna dance!
Me: ok, don't worry I'm the owner I will talk to them.
They: (laugh). What is the owner doing here standing in the queue?
Me: oh I just enjoy to mingle with the commoners from time to time (Credit goes to Roosh for this one).
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Too blatant of a hyperbole unless it was obvious with your tone that you were joking about the owner bit(unless of course you go there often enough that you're a regular and you tip well even if that's more of an American thing tip the bartenders anyways say it's a foreigner thing). Your approach wasn't bad but it wasn't good either. I would have challenged her saying "I bet you can't dance anyways" with a smirk or a "Let me guess you're the best dancer in the joint".
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Anyway I kept teasing and rambling until we made it to the entrance. Once inside I had to go to the toilet so I lost track of them but quickly found them again and resumed my conversation. This time I was not solo but I had with me a "static wingman" who mainly just stood there and almost never said a word. This made it extremely hard for me to maintain the conversation with both of them. I can clearly say why you are actually better off going out solo than with someone like that.
Learn to be able to talk with multiple girls at the same time. Tell a story or point out some people that you can make fun of. Once you have built a rapport change venues with them and/or allow the guy with the most game that pops in; into the conversation then allow him to take the less attractive of the duo.
On your "static wingman", he would be the first target and I would be whispering into both girls ears or just mine how much of a weirdo he is/why we should ditch him.
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Did I mention that they are sisters? Damn taking both of them back home would have a been a dream coming true!! Anyway, I made it to the point where they also started asking questions. First they asked for my name and then other stuff. The girl I was interested in more, also the one I was teasing all the time, kept eye contact with me all the time, and was starting to subtly touch my form arm when talking to me. Later one she invited for a couple of drinks. We went to get them in the bar. I started touching her by putting my arm on her waist from time to time but nothing more. I was actually sure that she will end up in my bed, that is if her sister doesn't cockblock me at the end. Unfortunately, the sister slowly started getting bored, thanks to my static wingman, and said that they are going to the toilet. I did my best to keep her involved the with my wingman but he was just too passive. It was the last time I saw them since they disappeared.
Pedestal man pedestal don't put these girls up there. There's plenty of young, hot ass to go around. So what if you "could" take them back home? Believe you are cool enough that both would want to go back home with you.
You should have ditched the other guy way before this.
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I got so pissed off at myself that I didn't push harder again and and didn't escalate faster. I think I should have asked her to come and dance with me right after we went to get drinks and escalate from there... What do you guys? How fast do you guys proceed from the point where she starts touching you? how conclusive are forearm touches in such a conversation? Please indulge my stupid questions if you find them too basic or obvious.
If she starts touching you, I would invite her out to enjoy the sky/have a smoke if there's a patio/outside area. Then make out with her. Problem being that the sister was also with in the venue. If I was in this situation exactly where I had fucked up to the point you had fucked up, I would grab both girls/convince them to head to the next venue with me.
And they will in order to ditch the guy killing the vibe, because I'm fun, and they want to have a good time.
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After that I felt a bit down but didn't want it to ruin my evening. Before going to the club I made some "friends" at the small rock concert I went to in the early evening. They invited me to join them to another location but I declined by saying that I had other plans and that I might still show up later. I decided to stop by and see what happens. I arrived there and could easily locate the group of my new friends. They were a bunch of Mexican guys and a Germany guy, two Mexican girls (both of them 5) and a German-Mexican petite (6). To my surprise a cute Ukrainian girl (7~8) I knew from other parties (before I started learning proper game) was also hanging out with them. It turned out that she's enrolled in the same university program as the German-Mexican chick. Back in the days when I first met the her I bombed her with the typical beta behavior: Like buying her a drink right after I got to know her, asking for her Facebook and texting her on the same night saying bullshit like "I had great time"... So I was not sure how receptive she would be this time but I still decided to give it a shot. I had nothing to lose anyway.
Never ever go back to a girl you have failed miserably with unless she goes out of her way to come to you. I would be hitting on ever other girl in the venue that was attractive until she comes up with the "You remember me?" and of course I don't. Then smile while saying "Where have we met?".
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As I arrived, the Mexican guys were orbiting around the Ukrainian girl. So I just said hi and started talking to the others while waiting for my turn to talk to her. At some point one the guys went for a piss and I took the chance to sit next to her and hit her with my state of the art freshly acquired game conversation skills. This time she was indeed more receptive and was reacting to my teasing, opinion questions etc. If we are interrupted by someone I would sometime act as if I forgot what I was talking about and keep quite to see if she would restart the conversation which she did every time. I took it as a good sign and proceeded with more kino. She didn't pull her self away but still didn't respond much which confused me a bit. I must mention that during my formal beta days I had asked her twice to hang out for a beer but she declined saying that she had a lot of exams to prepare for. Her last exam was yesterday as she told me so now she cannot that same (lame?) excuse. I asked her again yesterday and this time she was enthusiastic about it and told me to contact her soon again to fix a date. Later on the Mexican dudes got very drunk and annoying and started cockblocking me that I decided to leave with style instead of hopelessly sticking around.
This was too cringeworthy to read. Rule 1 of hanging with a crew. Never initiate any contact with a hot girl running with them besides a general introduction if it's the first time you've met them(eye contact, presidential handshake, and a smirk with no more than names exchanged). You'll go out of your way to not initiate and hit on anything else until what I mentioned earlier happens.
Examples of the proper handshake either is fine(I tend to use the first for girls shorter than me by quite a bit and the latter for girls closer to my height):
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Now given my beta history with the chick and the fact that she actually told me that she's having an LTR with a guy in ukraine, I'm not sure about about my chances here. What do you guys think? have you been in a situation like this where the same girl gets to see your change from Beta to Alpha behavior (Although still working on it...)? How would go about the LTR thing? All what I told her was that I don't believe in long distance relationships and asked if she was happy in it to which answered positively.
No shit you've already fucked up. Move on and find another girl. It's salvageable but not by your initiation. If she engages you, play it like I said earlier. If she brings up this previous night say you were drunk and don't remember her period.
Even then this is a lost cause. Abundance mentality is the key to game. Keep at it. There's plenty of hot ass to go around.
"Until the day when God shall deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is summed up in these two words,— 'Wait and hope'."- Alexander Dumas, "The Count of Monte Cristo"
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