Quote: (05-15-2016 12:40 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

You clearly have an agenda which makes me very suspicious of you.

It's called being insufferably incorrigible and obdurate. doesn't matter how intellectually "surrounded" the person is. Just a childish trait most teenaged/early 20's kids and women tend to have where they feverishly refute anything and everything that goes against their held beliefs, no matter how poorly grounded.

the incessant rhetorical questions and the insatiable need to perpetuate a stalemate argument.

I'm sure there is some kind of personality-type or behavoral disorder it can be linked to; people who are predisposed to have some fervent agenda-pushing holier-than-thou superiority complex. Likely a form of asperger's or some other autism spectrum thing. It's anti-social behavior to feel the need to always be above others and prove them wrong. Like I said, a lot of adolescents go through a phase like that when they're 16/17 and think they know everything. Maybe some people don't develop much beyond that socially.

You see the same traits in feminists, SJW's, and anyone else who has some self-righteous and contrived virtue signalling and moral-superiority streak.

Anyway a diet without meat is pretty gay.

Because it's good for you, and here's why.

To start off I need to clarify that I believe you should be preparing almost all of your own food if you can. You should eat an extremely varied diet and find out what you feel best having.

I try to eat fish 3x a week often raw in the form of sushi or tuna salad/tuna melt, inevitably I eat chicken twice a week (I'm not that big of a fan of chicken,) and I try to eat a nice steak once or twice a week as well often at a nicer restaurant instead of preparing myself. I do feel heavier after eating a steak, but occasionally I think it's a good feeling. I supplement the rest of my diet mostly with salads, vegetables, fruit, eggs 1x a week.

Assuming I eat about 2 meals a day, meat supplements a rather large portion of my diet. I eat snacks as well including meat such as in the form of elk jerky.

I'm sure many have tried creatine type muscle mass protein powders, I've heard it's mostly water that you're putting on. Never the less I did feel a bit amped when I took creatine powder and creatine is specifically found in redmeat. Looking from an evolutionary perspective I think it must be nutritious in some way.

You are what you eat, so it's a philosophical question what do you want to be.

I'm not going to go through seven pages of vegan nonsense when the answer to the question posed in the thread title is pretty obvious.

"Because I want to", is the answer.

Runners up include, but are not limited to:

Because my ancestors did.
Because I have lived both lifestyles and found meat eating to be superior to veganism.
Because when you do long, hard physical labour veganism quickly becomes a joke.
Because as a vegan I could never break past 60kgs soaking wet.
Because as a meat eater I now weight 100kgs with minimal fat and could beat my former self to a bloody pulp.
Because I have never yet met a male vegan that didn't use moral animal rights posturing to excuse their lack of masculinity.
Because under veganism I had unhealthily low levels of body fat and,
Because under veganism i got sick of having to move heaven and earth to eat the exact mix of foods necessary to give my body what it needed when what it really needed was just meat.

But as I said. All of those latter reasons are secondary to "because I want to".

Because there isn't an omnivore magazine with a lead article called 'How To Campaign' on the cover.

Because omnivores aren't compelled to chalk messages everywhere in town telling people what to eat.

Quote: (05-15-2016 02:37 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I'm sure there is some kind of personality-type or behavoral disorder it can be linked to; people who are predisposed to have some fervent agenda-pushing holier-than-thou superiority complex. Likely a form of asperger's or some other autism spectrum thing. It's anti-social behavior to feel the need to always be above others and prove them wrong.

Progressive Nihilist

First I'd hold that, meat eating being the de facto human diet, there does not need to be an argument for it any more than there needs to be an argument for wearing clothes or being literate. All of these things are self-evidently good if for nothing else but the evidence in historical and modern human behavior.

But to indulge:

I was a vegetarian for two years in my twenties. I became entirely too thin and my skin dried out.

The human brain needs animal fat. It could likely do okay on less meat, but I don't see the point in cutting it out. My body looks healthier and my mind feels healthier with it in my diet.

Quote: (05-14-2016 06:56 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Quote: (05-13-2016 01:59 PM)No Habit Wrote:  

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Meat has the highest nutrition density.

Can you prove that? If it is so, what does this imply? Does it matter if one gets all his nutritiens from one steak or different types of fruits and veggies in one meal?

Does it really improve your life quality? And does a higher cancer rate, according to recent studies, not lower your life quality way more than this will ever benefit you?

you should make more statements instead of just interrogating the majority with a barrage of questions.

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Just found a very convincing video for this argument.

http://swizec.com/blog/week-17-what-happ...wizec/6534
http://www.jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf+html

As mentioned by Leonard, the only reason necessary is 'because I want to'
But otherwise? Because it is more detrimental to health to remove all vegetable matter than all animal matter from your diet, and in fact can be a healthy weigh to lose weight, if you lower the amount of fat you eat in the meat.

Having to argue why you should eat meat is like a straight guy having to argue why you should be straight instead of gay.

"What's the best argument for being straight?"
Not even worth answering.

I just consumed about 14 oz of New York strip steak, and some beef vegetable barley soup as a side. And I feel great!

Stop arguing with vegetarians.

Quote: (05-11-2016 04:25 AM)No Habit Wrote:  

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I see nothing wrong with eating meat. A few animals die?

A few? Trillions each year.

Source?

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Without eating meat, humans wouldn't have such large brains and we wouldn't be cruising on RVF talking about the best places to smash chicks.

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But we don't have to anymore.

Can you please state your reasoning? Did we reach the pinnacle of human perfection? We will now evolve with eating plants?

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Not here to convince anybody to a vegan diet and not going to derail this thread. My final reasons on being a vegan:

• It is non destructive, by not creating unnecessary pain or negativity in life.
• It is healthier, recent studies are showing that eating meat gives you a higher cancer rate.
  

#1 - A Vegan, and a cross fitter walk into a bar... I only know because they said it to everyone after two minutes.
#2 - False, as it has already been pointed out. http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/footprin...itat_loss/
#3 - Yet meat consumption is still recommended by several authorities such as WHO. (I'm also fairly confident that in 40 years, there will be a decent cure for the cancer I, and my fellow meat eaters, may develop).

Quote: (05-18-2016 07:04 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

#1 - A Vegan, and a cross fitter walk into a bar... I only know because they said it to everyone after two minutes.

Original.

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929
Cancer incidence in vegetarians: results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
The Cause of Atherosclerosis - http://ncp.sagepub.com/content/23/5/464
Taiwanese vegetarians and omnivores: dietary composition, prevalence of diabetes and IFG - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914
Frequency of nut consumption and mortality risk in the PREDIMED nutrition intervention trial - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23866098
Quantitative Analysis of the Benefits and Risks of Consuming Farmed and Wild Salmon - http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/11/2639.full
Fatty acid composition of wild and farmed Atlantic salmon and rainbow trout - http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007...005-1414-0
Rapid sampling and long-term storage of subcutaneous adipose-tissue biopsies for determination of fatty acid composition - http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/2/317.abstract

On and on we go.

My point - reputable organizations have said go vegan, or at least go vegetarian - conversely, some have said eat meat, but in moderation (keyword). And the fact that they say 'moderate' should say something. Anyways, again - no one knows what's best; so eat what makes you feel good.

I don't think this thread will convert anyone to stop eating meat. Most meat eaters are as adamant about eating meat as vegans are about being vegan.

But hopefully it can motivate people to think about what they're eating.

Most of the meat we eat is farmed and industrialized crap - fact.

Hence why it's beneficial to question yourself.

Do I need this much meat?
Is it optimal for my metabolism or do I eat it because I've been told so?
How much protein do I actually need, versus what I've been told I need?
Where is this sourced from?

Like in fitness, if you are a tall ectomorph with long legs you're probably not squatting 500lbs, or if you're a 5'5'' powerlifter you won't be dunking in the NBA, I don't think a vegetarian diet is for anyone. Some people need meat. But then again, some people don't - I for one don't digest it well, so I reduced it.

No need to stop eating meat if you don't want to, we should all make our own choices. But when you choose, do it with open eyes.

Man I don't give a shit who does and doesn't eat meat. Eat fuckin sand for all I care, the real point of contention is the fucking pretentious ass agenda-pushing attitudes of those that have self-righteous delusions about their diet and feel the need to shove it down others' throats. Just eat your fucking kale and brussel sprouts and shut up about it.

My vegetarian friend was telling me about this vegan hippy owner of Forest Green FC has made all the food sold at the ground vegan. They can't resist pushing their ideology on others, I laughed and said imagine an owner trying to sell only meat, like in the video above.

One thing I've noticed is that I believe your body has more trouble with most types of carbs than meat to digest. I've been eating a lot less grains recently I feel a lot less full and have been digesting food quicker. I think it is to do with this. Meat's probably easier to digest than stuff made out of grains that we're not supposed to eat, it inflames your gut giving you that 'wheat belly' or more commonly known as a 'beer belly'. Both sides of the argument should try dropping grains for a while and seeing how they feel.

Quote: (04-13-2013 04:46 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

It is the reason our brains grew. It is the reason we are who we are.

Extreme exponential growth after meat consumption started due to fire discovery (cooking).

Quote: (05-18-2016 08:43 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (05-18-2016 07:04 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

#1 - A Vegan, and a cross fitter walk into a bar... I only know because they said it to everyone after two minutes.

Original.

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929
Cancer incidence in vegetarians: results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
The Cause of Atherosclerosis - http://ncp.sagepub.com/content/23/5/464
Taiwanese vegetarians and omnivores: dietary composition, prevalence of diabetes and IFG - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914
Frequency of nut consumption and mortality risk in the PREDIMED nutrition intervention trial - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23866098
Quantitative Analysis of the Benefits and Risks of Consuming Farmed and Wild Salmon - http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/11/2639.full
Fatty acid composition of wild and farmed Atlantic salmon and rainbow trout - http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007...005-1414-0
Rapid sampling and long-term storage of subcutaneous adipose-tissue biopsies for determination of fatty acid composition - http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/2/317.abstract

On and on we go.

My point - reputable organizations have said go vegan, or at least go vegetarian - conversely, some have said eat meat, but in moderation (keyword). And the fact that they say 'moderate' should say something. Anyways, again - no one knows what's best; so eat what makes you feel good.

Bro the government you are quoting is the same trying to shove down the idea that we should eat carbs, pasta, bread in the highest quantity



I find it ironic that you refer to "authoritative studies" on this anti-liberal anti-bs forum like this.

I just finished off a large hamburger and a cheese-chili dog.

Both were awesome.

Quote: (05-15-2016 02:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not going to go through seven pages of vegan nonsense when the answer to the question posed in the thread title is pretty obvious.

"Because I want to", is the answer.

Runners up include, but are not limited to:

Because my ancestors did.
Because I have lived both lifestyles and found meat eating to be superior to veganism.
Because when you do long, hard physical labour veganism quickly becomes a joke.
Because as a vegan I could never break past 60kgs soaking wet.
Because as a meat eater I now weight 100kgs with minimal fat and could beat my former self to a bloody pulp.
Because I have never yet met a male vegan that didn't use moral animal rights posturing to excuse their lack of masculinity.
Because under veganism I had unhealthily low levels of body fat and,
Because under veganism i got sick of having to move heaven and earth to eat the exact mix of foods necessary to give my body what it needed when what it really needed was just meat.

But as I said. All of those latter reasons are secondary to "because I want to".

Exactly.

This principle of doing minimum harm, why do people just accept it? It's nihilistic and based on flawed assumptions. I remember a former housemate, a real effeminate type, I asked why he was vegetarian and he seemed shocked by the question (on another note, it's fascinating to see how left wingers have no understanding of us whatsoever).

I don't give a fuck if animals die. Nobody has convinced me why I should. I recall a debate with a vegan which ended in them calling me a 'species-ist'. I said that obviously I was, and why was it an issue? Go out and take a look at nature, it's cruel and uncaring. Morality is a human concept, by humans and for humans.

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Melbourne university lecturer, 34, who died of altitude sickness on Mount Everest after taking on the climb with her husband to prove 'vegans can do anything'

- Dr Maria Strydom died on Saturday afternoon after taking ill on Everest
- The 34-year-old was joined by her husband Robert for the challenge
- She was an experienced climber who previously conquered Kilimanjaro
- Earlier she told students she wanted to prove vegans were not 'weak'
- Eric Arnold, a 36-year-old Dutch national, also died in the climb

A woman who died of altitude sickness while climbing Mount Everest took on the challenge to prove that 'vegans can do anything'.
Maria Strydom died on Saturday afternoon after having to turn back from the final leg of the expedition because she felt unwell.
She returned to Camp 4, the last camp before the mountain's summit, on Friday where she spent the night but died from lack of oxygen the following day.
The 34-year-old South African national taught at Monash University in Melbourne and was an experienced climber.
Her husband Robert Gropel is injured but, according to trip organisers, '100 per cent safe'.
Weeks before her death Dr Strydom told how she and her husband wanted to dispel the belief that vegans were 'weak' or 'malnourished' by taking on the climb.
'It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak.
'By climbing the seven summits we want to prove that vegans can do anything and more,' she said in an interview with the university where she worked.
She also told of the dangers most climbers feared when taking on the mountain.
'We've all heard stories of frostbite and having to turn around from excessive waiting times due to inexperienced people blocking routes.
'This can lead to life threatening situations and death where Sherpas and other climbers have to risk their lives to attempt rescues.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...thing.html

Reality check. Nature is a bitch that always has the last laugh.

We're top of the food chain.

End of!

Quote: (05-22-2016 08:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I just finished off a large hamburger and a cheese-chili dog.

Both were awesome.

A chili cheese hotdog made in China ?

No has has commented that it will help you climb mountains?

Too soon?

On a side note - and I think relevant - I was watching the Carmichael show and there was a joke his mom says about judging others feels so good. The whole episode was about they went to church and the pastor commented on his addiction to porn - you can imagine the rest of it. Smart show.