[No Habit]

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If it would improve my quality of life...

So... does it? In which way?

[cascadecombo]

Actually I've heard torturing the animals before killing them adds a special flavor.

[Big Swinging Dick]

Here's a simple one: sufficient caloric intake.

If you're a hard-gainer like me, why would you reduce your eating options--especially when it's something loaded with protein, b12, creatine & zinc--all crucial to the anabolic process?

The mere fact that Vegans have to SUPPLEMENT vitamins just to cover their bases tells you it's an unnatural diet. Then you look at them, and 90% are weak and fragile, with less testosterone flowing through their veins than a eunuch.

Even that Frank Medrano guy who is their hero is a tiny little cunt. A meat eater doing the same routine would destroy him.

[PapayaTapper]

For the record I dont eat red meat,,,but any time I have the opportunity to quote Homer Simpson I'm gonna

[No Habit]

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Here's a simple one: sufficient caloric intake.

If you're a hard-gainer like me, why would you reduce your eating options--especially when it's something loaded with protein, b12, creatine & zinc--all crucial to the anabolic process?

Because you don't want to kill. You can get 22g of protein per 100g kidney beans, oatmeal and pumpkin seeds are full of protein and zinc, too. You pop 10mcg of b12 every morning and you got everything you need.
Don't know about creatine, though. Always thought this just blows your muscle tissue up with water.

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The mere fact that Vegans have to SUPPLEMENT vitamins just to cover their bases tells you it's an unnatural diet.

So you need a natural diet? Is it unnatural not to eat meat? Perhaps it is, so is driving a car.

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Then you look at them, and 90% are weak and fragile, with less testosterone flowing through their veins than a eunuch.

Why should someone who gets his nutritients from meat have a higher testosterone than someone who gets the exact same nutritients from other foods.

[Fortis]

I see nothing wrong with eating meat. A few animals die? Oh well, better that they feed me than some lion in the jungle.

Without eating meat, humans wouldn't have such large brains and we wouldn't be cruising on RVF talking about the best places to smash chicks.

[No Habit]

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I see nothing wrong with eating meat. A few animals die?

A few? Trillions each year.

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Oh well, better that they feed me than some lion in the jungle.

Why is it better? If you had to eat meat to survive, sure it would be better. But since you don't have to, why is it? A lion has to kill to survive, you don't. Now you are taking something away from the lion that he needs to survive. You starve him, give him pain and kill him. Why would you do this?

Not to mention all the cruelties about breeding animals just to be food.

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Without eating meat, humans wouldn't have such large brains and we wouldn't be cruising on RVF talking about the best places to smash chicks.

True. We had to kill animals in the past to evolve, but we don't have to anymore.

Not here to convince anybody to a vegan diet and not going to derail this thread. My final reasons on being a vegan:

• It is non destructive, by not creating unnecessary pain or negativity in life.
• It is healthier, recent studies are showing that eating meat gives you a higher cancer rate.
  

Also, why stop at not killing animals? Don't kill any life at all if you don't have to, including plants and trees, perhaps even bacteria. Take it as far as possible.

I'm out.
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No Habit

[Fortis]

(05-11-2016 04:25 AM)No Habit Wrote:  

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I see nothing wrong with eating meat. A few animals die?

A few? Trillions each year.

We're breeding them specifically for this purpose. We aren't taking food off of the lion's table. We've domesticated these animals over hundreds of generations and we eat them. What's wrong with that?

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True. We had to kill animals in the past to evolve, but we don't have to anymore.

Didn't know you were the evolutionary biology master of the forum. Thanks for enlightening me. Haven't you only been a vegan for all of three months?

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Also, why stop at not killing animals? Don't kill any life at all if you don't have to, including plants and trees, perhaps even bacteria. Take it as far as possible.

I'm out.
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No Habit

Keep it real with us. What organization do you work for; how much money are they paying you to come troll the forum?

[WeekendCasanova]

(05-11-2016 02:51 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Without eating meat, humans wouldn't have such large brains

I'm a meat eater, but I have to chime in here, as this point is incorrect (if not heavily debated). The most recent research I believe suggests that brain growth occurred because of cooking, not meat. Humans began to spend less time eating food. We began to store more energy, in the form of meat AND grains. No one knows the 100% the route cause of brain growth, so saying it's because of x or y is wrong.

This is the problem inherent with this debate - for every 100 scientists who say meat is good, 100 say it isn't. Just eat what makes you feel best.

[Fortis]

Thanks for the correction there, Weekend.

I really have no problem with vegetarians. The only reason I jumped into this thread was because I thought Mr. No Habit over there is a bit too cavalier with his moral assertions in this thread.

So what. I eat meat. Animals die. Deal with it. I think animals aren't the issue here, some people just like to control others and can't stand it when others say "no, sorry, I don't care what you think."

You eat veggies? Great. I'm happy for you and I wish you all the best, but I'm not going to kiss your feet or give you a medal.

It just seems like school yard nonsense. "Oh, you don't do that? Well, I do. Therefore, I'm better than you."

If you're going to be a vegetarian you should do it and be proud, but don't be insufferable to people who don't cater to your way of living.

[WeekendCasanova]

Moral superiority is a common theme in almost every Vegan I meat(heh). I have a few vegan friends on facebook, and they post daily article about why their diet is superior yadda yadda. It gets exhausting. Nothing better to do with their time I suppose. I would have thought that being morally superior and saving humanity takes some time away from their social media usage - I guess not.

[Chaos]

Eat your insects boys!

[Wreckingball]

(05-11-2016 05:19 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Moral superiority is a common theme in almost every Vegan I meat(heh). I have a few vegan friends on facebook, and they post daily article about why their diet is superior yadda yadda. It gets exhausting. Nothing better to do with their time I suppose. I would have thought that being morally superior and saving humanity takes some time away from their social media usage - I guess not.

I don't trust anyone that purposely moves down on the food chain. Natural selection will work on them just fine.

[cascadecombo]

For every animal No Habit chooses not to eat. I've decided to eat three.

[Suits]

(05-11-2016 10:26 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

For every animal No Habit chooses not to eat. I've decided to eat three.

Thief.

I have only one question: how can I best contribute to the deaths of more animals?

[Big Swinging Dick]

(05-11-2016 02:23 AM)No Habit Wrote:  

Why should someone who gets his nutritients from meat have a higher testosterone than someone who gets the exact same nutritients from other foods.

I don't know why--it just is.

Perhaps there are micro-nutrients in meat we haven't even identified. Or maybe the nutrients in meat are absorbed better. Idle speculation...

But look at your average vegan's physique, the way they carry themselves...even their voice. I'm not sure one can count them amongst the ranks of men.

[WeekendCasanova]

(05-11-2016 12:01 PM)Big Swinging Dick Wrote:  

But look at your average vegan's physique, the way they carry themselves...even their voice. I'm not sure one can count them amongst the ranks of men.

Compelling argument. You've won me over. All vegans are sub human scum, incapable of lifting weights, with the voices of a girl.

[Phoenix]

(05-10-2016 01:33 PM)No Habit Wrote:  

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If it would improve my quality of life...

So... does it? In which way?

Meat has the highest nutrition density. This is the whole reason people prefer it. "Delicious" is just another word for "my tongue is telling my brain this is nutritious and I should eat more of it".

This rule applies especially to hardgainer bastards like me, who's bodies are basically useless scrawny shitty-appetite junk that need as dense nutrition as possible. I even supplement my daily intake with additional protein powder and it isn't enough. If anything I need to eat more meat not less, I'd eat the best cuts of steak every meal if I could afford it. If I started eating vegan crap I'd waste away to zero, and the only lays I'd ever get would be chicks with a concentration camp inmate fetish.

To affirm, I would personally kill an extra trillion animals a year myself if that somehow improved my quality of life (maybe I can crush them all together into some kind of "supermeat" ), and I see zero moral qualm with that.

[Big Swinging Dick]

(05-11-2016 12:18 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:01 PM)Big Swinging Dick Wrote:  

But look at your average vegan's physique, the way they carry themselves...even their voice. I'm not sure one can count them amongst the ranks of men.

Compelling argument. You've won me over. All vegans are sub human scum, incapable of lifting weights, with the voices of a girl.

I said sub-man, not sub-human.

In effect, you guys are chemically castrating yourselves by arbitrarily depriving your bodies of nature's super-food. It's a sad thing really.

[WeekendCasanova]

(05-11-2016 12:40 PM)Big Swinging Dick Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:18 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:01 PM)Big Swinging Dick Wrote:  

But look at your average vegan's physique, the way they carry themselves...even their voice. I'm not sure one can count them amongst the ranks of men.

Compelling argument. You've won me over. All vegans are sub human scum, incapable of lifting weights, with the voices of a girl.

I said sub-man, not sub-human.

In effect, you guys are chemically castrating yourselves by arbitrarily depriving your bodies of nature's super-food. It's a sad thing really.

I was being facetious. Who are "you guys"?

[debeguiled]

(05-11-2016 05:19 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Moral superiority is a common theme in almost every Vegan I meat(heh). I have a few vegan friends on facebook, and they post daily article about why their diet is superior yadda yadda. It gets exhausting. Nothing better to do with their time I suppose. I would have thought that being morally superior and saving humanity takes some time away from their social media usage - I guess not.

This video is about gluten intolerance, though everything he touches on applies to the vegan mindset as well.

There are definite emotional rewards to having dietary restrictions, and they are pretty funny:

[Big Swinging Dick]

(05-11-2016 12:51 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:40 PM)Big Swinging Dick Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:18 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:01 PM)Big Swinging Dick Wrote:  

But look at your average vegan's physique, the way they carry themselves...even their voice. I'm not sure one can count them amongst the ranks of men.

Compelling argument. You've won me over. All vegans are sub human scum, incapable of lifting weights, with the voices of a girl.

I said sub-man, not sub-human.

In effect, you guys are chemically castrating yourselves by arbitrarily depriving your bodies of nature's super-food. It's a sad thing really.

I was being facetious. Who are "you guys"?

My bad. I thought you were one of those effeminate vegan-ites...

[cascadecombo]

(05-11-2016 10:47 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:26 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

For every animal No Habit chooses not to eat. I've decided to eat three.

Thief.

I have only one question: how can I best contribute to the deaths of more animals?

Damn, I could have sworn his thing was 2 animals.

Fine Suits, I'll just consume 5 animals for every 1 No Habit chooses not to eat.

Hell, I was doing a good job of that before regardless.



All you can eat BBQ's in Japan were my favorite.

[General Stalin]

(04-13-2013 05:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

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So What Is The Best Argument For Eating Meat?

It seems to work pretty well for this guy:

This gave me a 3/4 chubby. The suspense was killing me - but really that lion was way over-gaming. That calf never saw it coming and wouldn't have been able to outrun shit even if it did.

Anyway, man this debate is so lame.

Humans default to omnivores. We've been eating animals and plants since the dawn of time. Deliberately avoiding meat is an alternative diet. Anyone who deliberately makes a choice to stray from the norm are going to have a biased opinion about that decision - whether it be for some self righteous dogmatic moral agenda, or for alleged health benefits that have been drilled into their head by they read or what others have told them.

Even all the "studies" that get released every other day are 40% theoretical bullshit, 40% biased research funded/lead by lobbyists/people with an agenda, and maybe 10% facts. Scientists, nutritionists, and everyone under the sun has incentive to bring something new to the table. New "research" and "studies" contradict themselves all the time.

The canine teeth in our mouths should be enough to tell you right there that our evolution dictates that flesh is also in our diet.

Eating vegan/vegetarian for ethical reasons is also a pointless endeavor unless you are growing your own food. Thousands/millions of animals are killed and/or displaced to mass agriculture. Your gripe should be with big industry if that's the case and you should be only eating food you know didn't involve the harm of any animals (domestic or wild) i.e., your own crops.

If you want to get anecdotal/subjective about it - the reason your vegan/vegetarian friends look/feel healthier is for a couple of reasons. 1. Placebo affect. 2. They are actually paying attention to their diet and being careful with what they eat. Most people eat meat - and most people also eat a lot of other bullshit processed food and whatever else making for a shitty diet that is non-conducive to a healthy lifestyle.

If you pay attention to your diet and balance your nutrition then you are going to feel better than most regardless. I would actually posit that a health-conscious meat eater would be better off than a health conscious veg. There are tremendous health benefits to eating meat - it really goes without saying as it is a staple of the human diet and our bodies have evolved to benefit from meat consumption since we started walking upright.

[Ringo]

I've no qualms towards eating meat from wild game or animals that you raised yourself (cows, chicken). Having said that, even the most adamant meat eater must reckon that industrial farming is disgusting and degrading to the animals.

Again, not caring if the animal suffers or has to die to become food is one thing, and that's something we each should decide for ourselves; recognizing that they do suffer and that the whole process is pretty gross is another. Just think of the hormones, shitty and low nutrition feed, crowded spaces, animals up walking around in their shit all day, chemicals used to proccess meat (although also present in vegetables) and the meat itself (some varieties are made from leftovers of several cuts and different animals), etc.

If I lived in the U.S. I would probably be a hunter. In Brazil unfortunately that's not really an option, so for now I've reduced my meat intake a lot - it's something I indulge in maybe once a week or so.

I don't feel bad or low energy like you guys claim. Also, a vegetarian or vegan diet can have plenty of protein. If you believe in IIFYM, vegetarian vs. meat eating diets don't really have a difference.

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Meat has the highest nutrition density. This is the whole reason people prefer it. "Delicious" is just another word for "my tongue is telling my brain this is nutritious and I should eat more of it".

Your tongue probably tells you the same about ice cream, correct? How nutritious is that?

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This rule applies especially to hardgainer bastards like me, who's bodies are basically useless scrawny shitty-appetite junk that need as dense nutrition as possible. I even supplement my daily intake with additional protein powder and it isn't enough. If anything I need to eat more meat not less, I'd eat the best cuts of steak every meal if I could afford it. If I started eating vegan crap I'd waste away to zero, and the only lays I'd ever get would be chicks with a concentration camp inmate fetish.

If you say this because you have a small apettite and can't hold large volumes of food, I understand. Otherwise it's false - weight gain or loss is a game of calories in and calories out, as I'm sure you know.

I find this topic very interesting however it's a shame it can't be discussed without elliciting such strong reactions from both sides.

My guess is that, besides the freedom aspect ("You can't tell me what to do!"), food just occupies a very important role in our affective memory - as an example, think your grandma's lasagna, dad's barbecue ribs, etc - so it's hard to put it in perspective. In the end it's just about the experience of being with other people, tasting something good and fueling the body.