I'll be honest, i think there are some things in his posts that are genuine. I've talked a lot with the gent over PM.

I don't have much of a problem saving yourself time by paraphrasing other sites. I just don't think i'd spend so much time (even in retirement) gathering so much information to cut and paste into massive posts.

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:54 PM)Onto Wrote:  

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

I don't think that's fair.

When a guy purporting to have lived the "RVF Dream Life" rides suddenly into town, lots of younger guys are going to hang on his every word.

It is the job of the older men on this forum to take passing on their experiences, good or bad, seriously.

As such, disruption by fake personas ,created for god knows what purpose, should not be tolerated or given free reign to embellish and plagiarise.

The guy was a Nasa Test Pilot
Swims more than an Olympic Athlete on a daily basis.
Has atleast three properties in high end locations around the world.
Sails around the world, dropping everything, for over a year at a time.
Meets hot young women and sails them to uninhabited Islands for month long retreats, regularly.
Learnt Buddhism in China from Monks in the seventies, and still keeps in touch with them.
Is 48 years old, and apparently living the most baller lifestyle you can imagine.

This is just what I got from a few posts of his recently. Feel free to add to this 'profile'

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:54 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

This thread reminds me of the CMQ situation.

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:20 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

Why does it matter if the poster is real, as long as the information is good..Why do other members get a pass but NASA does NOT? Guys such as Jariel who nobody has met after attempts by dozens of members..NASA is for sure inspiring some of us on the forum so some of you guys just need to stop hating..

Does anyone remember G Manifesto..
thread-35035.html

Hey Brian Shima.

Check this shit out.

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Why does it make a difference if the publication is genuine, the length of the data is good..Why do different individuals get a pass however NASA does NOT? Folks, for example, Jariel who no one has met after endeavors by many members..NASA is without a doubt motivating a few of us on the discussion so some of you all simply need to quit loathing..

Does anybody recollect G Manifesto..

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If I wanted to read an over-rehashed version of second hand events, I'd head on over to Wikipedia.

I don't come here for information, the internet is an oasis of information.

I come here for first hand experience, for knowledge from people who know more than I do. I don't come here to get swindled by keyboard jockeys who spew regurgitated crap from blogrolls I've never heard of in corners of the internet I'll never go on.

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:20 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

Why does it matter if the poster is real, as long as the information is good..Why do other members get a pass but NASA does NOT? Guys such as Jariel who nobody has met after attempts by dozens of members..NASA is for sure inspiring some of us on the forum so some of you guys just need to stop hating..

Hating ? Please.

We just appreciate when people are genuine, and don't plagiarize.

Now I don't know about the rest of NTP's posts, but this is something that needs to be discussed.

Jariel and NTP are completely different, Jariel focuses on game, his shit is actually genuine, I doubt if you googled paragraphs of his stuff, you'll find there isn't anything like it on the internet.

Maybe there's a reason Jariel hasn't met up with anyone, but he hasn't made any VAST claims about his lifestyle such as NTP.

This is why sights are dialed in on NTP.

NTP might be absolutely inspiring, but some RVF guys are right, there is something odd going on here.

Plagiarism isn't cool in my book, and it does damage credibility.

It sucks seeing this happen, but truth is better than fiction.

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

Quote:Quote:

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

The topic is irrelevant. It makes no difference if the subject matter is game or NASA Test Piloting. If it's coming from an unverified source, then the it's suspect. It's that simple.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:06 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

This is a fair statement when it comes to writing about game theory, and I don't have an answer to that.

I personally don't know if he does or doesn't have any interest in meeting anyone. I've never asked or read about it.

I know a few guys who are legit, that were skeptical about meeting other members, me included. Eventually I met up with some members. (Post Rape Article Fallout)

I also said, I take things with a grain of salt.

Trust but verify is ideal, but not always going to happen.

I still think Jariel games theory vs NTP's lifestyle has a huge difference.

Is it possible he is the original author in all the aforementioned links outside RVF?

He could also be writing under a fake persona in the other links as well to protect his own identity.

A plus B does not necessarily equal C. If he has copied and pasted some information, that doesn't unequivocally discount his claims. Perhaps he should have been more forthcoming in his sources and provided links as is the custom here.

In the Venezuela thread he posted this photo.


I don't think some basement dwelling troll would suddenly have access to a large amount of Venezualan cash and a NASA cap. Perhaps I have been fooled, but I'd like to think there is some truth to his story.

The witch hunt itself is interesting, and is surely motivated in part by a sense of having been 'duped' into thinking that real life could be an endlessly full and interesting affair; every moment pregnant with significance. The forum provides a certain medium for the exchange of information and ideas. To that extent NTP has not done much wrong, since many here have derived value from his posts. Whether the words were his or another's, he presented information that was relevant to the line of enquiry and that many here derived value from. As an aggregator and distributer of information, noone is particularly diminished by his plagarism, and many are enriched.

A related example would be the fact that there are several posters here from whom I derive tremendous value - some of which is having a profound affect on the way I live my life. Often in my reading, I come across ideas and ways of describing those ideas that I had previously attributed to the individual brilliance of the poster, but which in fact turn out to be the original idea or phrasing of another. Should that poster be in any way diminished because of this, or is the fault my own for creating an ideal that couldn't possibly be the case, even for brilliant men? For me, one of the most wonderful things about this forum is that we are free to judge other posters based entirely on the quality of content they provide (though I fear I fare badly in that regard). It is liberating to me not to know a man's name, his background, his 'class', his colour, his occupation, or anything else about him other than the moniker he has chosen. I must judge his brilliance free from prejudice, based solely on the value his written work provides.

None of that is to say that I condone the specific action of creating a false internet persona to impress those you've never met, and will never meet. That is tragic beyond words. There can be no satisfaction in living a fictional life, or in devoting precious time to looking cool on the internet. One of the best things about a forum such as this is that we are freed from the need to maintain an appearance, or to seem a certain way. We are gloriously free to try ideas on for size, and be wonderfully wrong and put right again based exclusively on the compelling content of arguments put against us. I would guess this is particularly true for those of us that are young. It is hard to be wrong, and uncomfortable, and something we try to avoid. But consequently we very often live within ourselves. It is a great glory that here we have the chance to advance into unfamiliar areas of thought, and have them sharpened by those wiser and better versed in the area of investigation than we are ourselves.

In short, don't be a loser and fake yourself on the web, but for those 'taken in', if you want to think of it that way, don't beat yourselves up - you obviously found real value in the content itself, and that is the main point of a forum such as this. I suspect many would continue to benefit even if NTP continued to post his cut and paste text. He is obviously reading and researching in places others aren't.

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

Doesn't matter if it's a newbie calling out NTP. I've never been sure that NTP is for real. A lot of his posts read like fiction out of Penthouse forum rather than anything based on reality and while some of the info may be good (for example that explanation of wave physics is cool), it's difficult to take a lot of his other stuff very seriously, especially if it's plagiarized.

While some guys don't seem to care so much about if he and others are real, I think it's vitally important that contributing members actually be truthful in relating their knowledge and life experiences. The big problem with the Internet age is that anyone can be anything, say anything while hiding behind a computer screen. This forum, this idea of making stronger men is made a mockery of by people like NTP, Manifesto etc who's writings are simply not believable for the most part. These are the worst kind of trolls if you ask me.

Now, should it turn out that NTP is for real and not some cut and paste troll, I will accept that I was wrong and acknowledge it in a separate post.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:02 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:54 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

Joe's actions in starting this thread are more in line with making a name for himself.

If it were strictly about maintaining the integrity of the forum he would've sent Roosh, Tuth or Soma a PM and let them handle it.

Instead it's now a hornets nest of drama. All his thread is serving is to build and incite a mob-like mentality on the forum

Quote: (05-17-2016 01:35 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

These are some mighty accusations.

A lot of this seems cut and pasted from various sources. From the geopolitics thread:

thread-53234...pid1214600

Quote:Quote:

If the US dollar loses part of its status as the global reserve currency, then some of this privilege would accrue to China rather than the U.S. Borrowing costs, most importantly for the United States (U.S.) Government, would go up, and it would be more difficult for the US Treasury through the Federal Reserve to intervene to prop up the value of the currency in a sustained fashion (see my previous posts regarding the ESF). This would in turn weaken the ability of the U.S. to deficit spend and the sustainability of existing debt. The U.S. ability to enforce financial sanctions on foreign governments that it would like to control/influence would also decrease.

From a similar Quora posting:
https://www.quora.com/Will-the-acceptanc...-to-the-US

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Under this view, if the US dollar loses parts of its status as the global reserve currency, then some of this privilege would accrue to China rather than the U.S. Borrowing costs, most importantly for the government, would go up, and it would be more difficult for the Federal Reserve system to intervene to prop up the value of the currency in a sustained fashion (though it doesn't do this except as a side effect of other conventional policies). This would in turn weaken the ability of the United States to deficit spend and the sustainability of existing debt. If this view is true then yes, absolutely the adoption of the CNY as a competing reserve currency would be detrimental to the United States.

His test pilot datasheet:
thread-54578...pid1255129

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The Test Pilot School was created to formalize and standardize test pilot training in order to reduce the high accident rates (not to mention the even higher incident rates) as well as increase the number of productive test flights. In addition to the test pilots, there are also flight test engineers (often pilots themselves) and flight test navigators (who are also sometimes pilots).

From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Air_F...lot_School

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The Test Pilot School was created to formalize and standardize test pilot training in order to reduce the high accident rate during the 1940s and increase the number of productive test flights.[3] In response to the increasing complexity of aircraft and their electronic systems, the school added training programs for flight test engineers and flight test navigators.

I don't think i've ever seen anything like this done before and to this level.

I am curiously waiting for NTP's reply to these allegations

Hold on Beast, Suits and I called dibs first. He still has not answered our questions yet about his time spent in China during the Cultural Revolution studying Buddhism when it was illegal and destroyed. Wait your turn damnit!!

Keep on diggin lads. Ain't no telling what is rotten under the floorboards, that should have made up this man's integrity and respect for his fellow brothers on RVF. He could just be a compulsive liar with a personality disorder. If that is the case, he may not be able to help himself and may always be a ratio style truth:lies type of story teller. If you are at least 20 years old, chances are high you have met one or two by now. Whether it is some dude that fishes off the pier and everytime you talk to him he tells you about some big ass fish he caught so many times before, but you never see him pull nothing but bait fish anytime you are there. A more common one for guys like us are the guys that brag about their gains or bench press numbers, but you never see any visibly on the dude nor see him rack at least 2 plates in the gym.

It's also a damn shame grown ass men here are such crybabies and get all moist about Jariel or other highly esteemed members not wanting to meet every guy out there for their own privacy reasons. You guys seem to have serious emotional issues and an unreasonable desire to either want to be validated or use a front for hero worship. Is not what you are working on as a man not enough to satisfy those urges?

Let me put it this way. You cannot pick your father figures and mentors in life. It doesn't work that way. They have to be pretty much just as willing to put themselves into your life as you would want them in yours. Some of you probably have better access to male mentors but probably duck them on purpose. Dudes like your pastors and junior pastors at your local church, older dudes you went to school with, your own uncles, etc. Even if they are not as red pill as you are, I bet many of them could teach a dude like Brian Shima a thing or two about being a man.

So please drop the whining about RVF members that don't want to meet in person. It sounds jealous, vindictive, and worst of all effeminate. I don't want to have to add more people that obviously have needs to my ignore list over something silly like this.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:21 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ack-market

@Travelerkai,

Also in light of all this, it might be worth considering splitting rep status between online rep and in-person rep. Maybe its overkill and excessive but it could have some benefits.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:27 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:21 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ack-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:17 PM)Horus Wrote:  

A plus B does not necessarily equal C. If he has copied and pasted some information, that doesn't unequivocally discount his claims. Perhaps he should have been more forthcoming in his sources and provided links as is the custom here.

In the Venezuela thread he posted this photo.


I don't think some basement dwelling troll would suddenly have access to a large amount of Venezualan cash and a NASA cap. Perhaps I have been fooled, but I'd like to think there is some truth to his story.

I am not an expert on Venezuela but I have watched Secuestro Express, great flick.
From what I understand of the current the value of Venezuelan currency that should be enough to compra una bolsa de tortillas, along with a handful of hundreds which I could produce at any time. Also I sent both of my now college-age children to space camp in Huntsville Alabama when they were kids. They came home with those exact same caps and patches, too. This is a poor example of verification.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:15 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Is it possible he is the original author in all the aforementioned links outside RVF?

Possible, I guess (but it raises another question or two concerning use of one's free time - but hey, anyone does how he likes with his life)...

In any case, where could NTP have found all his (interesting) data on Venezuela? I mean, the internet is not exactly cram full with precise, minute data on everyday-life as an expat in Venezuela... and his data on Venezuela seems genuine. Once, I called him out on one aspect of his Venezuela reports ( thread-19223...pid1218023 ), and NTP was quick to answer my question in a logical and satisfactory way. (on this matter, I incidentally lament that NTP would not attack crazed dictator Maduro online on this forum, but, it probably is for personal security reasons)

So, to sum it up, I am, and most of us probably are, somewhat confused... I have the feeling NTP maybe did a small, innocent mistake, which is, when starting a thread here, first copying some general data from the internet (possibly from his own former online writings?), then adding new and personalized, and valuable, data from his own life experience.

I explain: Maybe NTP wants to talk about surfing, he then starts with a general introduction that he wrote years ago, or found on the internet, and after that, he starts delving in the matter with personal data from his past experiences IRL...?

In such a case, his initial partial (auto-)"plagiarism", is, I don't know, unnecessary at best, but just serves as introduction to subsequent personal and valuable data input...?

Myself I will patiently wait for the replies of NTP before making a definite opinion on this situation.

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:35 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:27 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:21 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ack-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

I definitely google searched before posting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=venezuel...+to+dollar

Either I chose the wrong currency or google simply sucks.

While it diminishes the value of that stack greatly, it's still a beautiful stack of cash.

What if Joe is NTP?

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2016 02:06 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

This is a fair statement when it comes to writing about game theory, and I don't have an answer to that.

I personally don't know if he does or doesn't have any interest in meeting anyone. I've never asked or read about it.

I know a few guys who are legit, that were skeptical about meeting other members, me included. Eventually I met up with some members. (Post Rape Article Fallout)

I also said, I take things with a grain of salt.

Trust but verify is ideal, but not always going to happen.

I still think Jariel games theory vs NTP's lifestyle has a huge difference.

I agree with everything you wrote except for game theory being easy. If it were so easy, why do very few people relatively speaking have any of it? Why do even fewer have actual good game? What are you expecting to see on a person that proves that they have great game, aside from going out hunting for hoes?

I have met maybe 8-9 people from the forum. Maybe only one of them actually looks like a player. None of them said anything better in person than what they have already written on the forum or said on a phone call. What are you guys trying to assess? Style and fashion? If I can discuss tailored suits and business wear for years on the forum and we meet in person but I have on a shirt and jeans with flip flops, does that mean I do not know fashion or style? Come on. You guys are looking for stuff that can be found before a meet up in person. Something even a phone call can even take care of. This shit sounds worst than bitches looking for excuses to call someone creepy.