[WeekendCasanova]

(05-17-2016 02:36 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:35 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:27 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:21 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ack-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

I definitely google searched before posting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=venezuel...+to+dollar

Either I chose the wrong currency or google simply sucks.

While it diminishes the value of that stack greatly, it's still a beautiful stack of cash.

Herein lies the problem with Venezuela - the government is trying to control the currency; 1:10 is the legally offered rate, 1:1000 is the black market rate.

[The Beast1]

(05-17-2016 02:36 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:35 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:27 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:21 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ack-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

I definitely google searched before posting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=venezuel...+to+dollar

Either I chose the wrong currency or google simply sucks.

While it diminishes the value of that stack greatly, it's still a beautiful stack of cash.

You're half right. There's an official exchange rate that the government uses and the actual black market value.


But back to the topic at hand.

[AboveAverageJoe]

(05-17-2016 02:23 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:02 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 01:54 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

Joe's actions in starting this thread are more in line with making a name for himself.

If it was strictly about maintainjng the integrity of the forum he would've sent Roosh or Soma a PM and let them handle it.

Instead it's now a hornets nest of drama. All his thread is serving is to build and incite a mob-like mentality on the forum

Not kind of, but exactly like NTP lying to establish his name except, wait.
I don't have to lie to kick it.
As a writer I was offended.
As a surfer i was offended.
As a ladies man I was offended.
As an RVF member I was offended.
Thats why I exposed him.
Plagiarism is not cool by any standards, anywhere.

[thoughtgypsy]

(05-17-2016 02:35 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

1000:1 and climbing.

Eyeballing the above picture, assuming 100 notes per bundle, 17 bundles per column, 3 columns, that comes to 100 x 100 x 17 x 3 = 510,000 bolivars

Assuming an exchange rate of ~1:1000, unless I missed something, the money displayed would be approximately $510, or fairly close to the 4 $100 notes at the top of the stack

Edit: When photo was posted, would have been closer to 1:850 bringing the calculation to ~$600 (H/T WeekendCasanova)

[mikado]

So why didn't you PM the moderators and left it at that? Sometimes when a highly repped member is guilty of plagiarism or bad behaviour Roosh drops a post explaining a bit about the issue.

[Rhyme or Reason]

[Travesty]

Listen like G Manifesto, NASA in his short time has inspired me to try to build a villa on a Venezuelan island one day and buy a catamaran.

Plenty of other guys here that post first hand info, meet members all the time, never inspired me a lick. In fact there are guys that devote half their posts to Tinder and Craft Beer.

I am just saying the forum is better with this guy than without. At worst if he is a huge collaborator of information he has made me think about life a lot and being a man closer to nature and adventure.

Also I think guys want to see and learn from men that have great experiences and wisdom.

Guys also have this blue pill hope that guys that live bigger lives and have bigger egos will not embellish or aggrandize experiences and achievements. Why do guys have such a boner for the humble underseller? The Red Pill in us knows that really only worked in real life for someone like Jesus. And he got fucked over pretty bad.

Trump anyone?

I'd rather have a board half full of NASA's and GManifestos than guys reporting in from a moose ruled corner of Canada somewhere bitching about the women and how they can't find a direction in life.

Let's virtue signal with the humble now shall we?

[WeekendCasanova]

(05-17-2016 02:44 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:35 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

1000:1 and climbing.

Eyeballing the above picture, assuming 100 notes per bundle, 17 bundles per column, 3 columns, that comes to 100 x 100 x 17 x 3 = 510,000 bolivars

Assuming an exchange rate of ~1:1000, unless I missed something, the money displayed would be approximately $510, or fairly close to the 4 $100 notes at the top of the stack

When that picture was posted, the exchange rate was 1:850 I believe (not that it matters)

[atlant]

(05-17-2016 02:23 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:02 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 01:54 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

Joe's actions in starting this thread are more in line with making a name for himself.

If it was strictly about maintainjng the integrity of the forum he would've sent Roosh or Soma a PM and let them handle it.

Instead it's now a hornets nest of drama. All his thread is serving is to build and incite a mob-like mentality on the forum

I don't see any mob mentality at all. That's for women and leftists. Instead, I see a lot of reasonable, well thought out posts elaborating on both possible positions on this. Let's also not pretend this is all on OP, the discussion was going on in the Buddhism thread for a while anyway and would have continued there.

Overall no matter the outcome, the whole affair I would consider a good learning experience for the forum as a whole.

Also, as far as the "could he be the original author" idea (which is a bit far fetched to begin with, but hey, NTP is a man of many talents, I know), the bit pasted from a Quora answer which was pretty much seamlessly integrated into NTP's post, is written by someone who has his full name and photo in his Quora profile, and unless he's a time traveler...wait, now that actually would explain a lot of things...

[TravelerKai]

(05-17-2016 02:00 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 01:54 PM)Onto Wrote:  

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

I don't think that's fair.

When a guy purporting to have lived the "RVF Dream Life" rides suddenly into town, lots of younger guys are going to hang on his every word.

It is the job of the older men on this forum to take passing on their experiences, good or bad, seriously.

As such, disruption by fake personas ,created for god knows what purpose, should not be tolerated or given free reign to embellish and plagiarise.

Well said. This is our job and it serves a purpose to help guide the younger guys that are watching/lurking. The next WestIndianArchie or Samseau is probably 19 and lurking. Do we want to show ourselves as incompetent and easily fooled by gulping up anything that comes our way? Do we want to demonstrate sketchy ethics by accepting lying from one dude over truth from another that prefers privacy? Onto is older than you and I, yet we have to explain basic concepts of leadership to him, something our martial arts backgrounds, in regards to discipline, gave us years ago as young men. Why disappointing to see, these lashouts of emotion are to be seen as what they are, but not impede those firm enough with the correct amount of wisdom, to take care of the business at hand.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Re: The picture of Venezuelan cash...

What is that supposed to prove? And am I suppose to believe that nobody is capable of getting a NASA cap?

[RexImperator]

I copy/paste stuff here all the time but I put it in quotes and provide a link back to the source.

[DamienCasanova]

Joe, I'd slow my roll before making accusations like this until you have all the facts.

Based on the sheer amount of Nasa's posts and interactions here vs you just showing up a couple days ago with a handful of posts, the majority of evidence and experience is on NTP's side. He is innocent until proven guilt as far as i'm concerned, and for all anyone here knows you're simply trying to make a name for yourself off his back. For all I know you could be the same person playing an elaborate troll game. Who else here has met either one of you?

And I can't believe highly respected people on here actually repped you for this high school drama inspired thread with the click bait title. Sad day for RVF with this kind of BS drama.

[The Beast1]

I'm hesitant to write this, but NTP awhile back sent me pictures of himself, him and some girl, boat, and him swimming. I was taken aback by this as I didn't ask for it. It came after I replied to something of his in another thread. It was the same guy in each picture.

I've long since deleted them at the request of him nor did I do a quick Google search to make sure they were clear.

Still not sure where my opinion on this whole matter is.

[BortimusPrime]

I think it stands to reason that if someone is making enormous posts on a forum frequently, that in of itself implies that the individual in question couldn't possibly be leading the exciting active life they claim.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

At the very least, this warrants swift adjudication and judgement by the moderators.

The amount of beneficial material that any poster has produced for this forum is irrelevant when it cannot be relied upon to be in the person's own voice. Doubly so when the person under suspicion is a highly repped, well-regarded member of our community.

If such a person cannot be trusted to be authentic then they have no place here, pure and simple. Especially considering the simple ease by which any person could falsify anything on an internet-based platform. Dramatization or embellishment of one's own life is one thing. Outright falsification and/or deception is completely unacceptable.

[WeekendCasanova]

What a week: First penis transplant completed, now a purported NTP scandal.

[Travesty]

(05-17-2016 02:42 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

As a writer I was offended.
As a surfer i was offended.
As a ladies man I was offended.
As an RVF member I was offended.

Oh Lord was your bra strapped on too tight this morning?

[TravelerKai]

(05-17-2016 02:49 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

Joe, I'd slow my roll before making accusations like this until you have all the facts.

Based on the sheer amount of Nasa's posts and interactions here vs you just showing up a couple days ago with a handful of posts, the majority of evidence and experience is on NTP's side. He is innocent until proven guilt as far as i'm concerned, and for all anyone here knows you're simply trying to make a name for yourself off his back. For all I know you could be the same person playing an elaborate troll game. Who else here has met either one of you?

And I can't believe highly respected people on here actually repped you for this high school drama inspired thread with the click bait title. Sad day for RVF with this kind of BS drama.

I started the initial questioning of Nasa in another thread. That is why Joe created another one so that thread would not get derailed.

[WeekendCasanova]

(05-17-2016 02:53 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:42 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

As a writer I was offended.
As a surfer i was offended.
As a ladies man I was offended.
As an RVF member I was offended.

Oh Lord was your bra strapped on too tight this morning?

[Going strong]

Also, one thing to note: as I pointed out on another thread, how could NTP have bad intentions towards the forum, when he actually turned down an offer for money (heading his way), having instead this proffered money delivered to us, through numerous gifts-of-gold (to many value-adding forum members)? Does not make sense...

I mean, if I rightly remember, NTP at some point gave valuable business advices to a respectable forum member, and consequently this (generous) forum member offered to give a "thank-you" gift of money to NTP, and NTP said: no, instead please give gifts-of-gold to as many (good) forum members as you can... So, NTP quite certainly means good to the forum.

(This is not to say that Suits or TravelerKai have no right to investigate: quite the contrary, I find their investigation in itself interesting, sharp and valuable. I am just saying, NTP has to be given the benefit of doubt, like DamianCasanova said, on account of his past services)

[AboveAverageJoe]

(05-17-2016 02:45 PM)mikado Wrote:  

So why didn't you PM the moderators and left it at that? Sometimes when a highly repped member is guilty of plagiarism or bad behaviour Roosh drops a post explaining a bit about the issue.

I assume you are speaking to me.

On another thread Traveller Kai Suits and others were beginning to openly debate the veracity of NTP's claims. I had already had a strange feeling from reading his Buddhism, Surfing, Hangliding, and Global Currency threads, I quickly realized i had read his information somewhere before or that it was too well compiled for a casual poster. I realized that it was too well constructed to not be written for hire. I started thinking: "are all these posts and threads just a precursor to an ebook or blog?" Then it dawned on me what was really going on.

Many members write as a pastime, hobby, or a side/main hustle. Anyone who has the slightest respect for intellectual property should be offended. Or should I start my own Game ebook/blog with info gleaned from Roosh, othe RP bloggers and forum members?
No excuses, man.

[DamienCasanova]

(05-17-2016 02:53 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:49 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

Joe, I'd slow my roll before making accusations like this until you have all the facts.

Based on the sheer amount of Nasa's posts and interactions here vs you just showing up a couple days ago with a handful of posts, the majority of evidence and experience is on NTP's side. He is innocent until proven guilt as far as i'm concerned, and for all anyone here knows you're simply trying to make a name for yourself off his back. For all I know you could be the same person playing an elaborate troll game. Who else here has met either one of you?

And I can't believe highly respected people on here actually repped you for this high school drama inspired thread with the click bait title. Sad day for RVF with this kind of BS drama.

I started the initial questioning of Nasa in another thread. That is why Joe created another one so that thread would not get derailed.

I know you did, I read that thread a few days ago and i'd love to see the answers as well.

SO why is some poster who just joined a week ago, without a dog in this fight, the one making a thread about it and not you? Sounds like he's trying to make a name for himself to me, or start some drama for laughs, or who knows what. Looks like social climbing on other people's backs to me, and the sad part is this AboveAverageJoe gets repped for it, without providing any content, data or experiences like NTP has. He may be a great honest guy as well, or he could be a clever mole for all I know, but his actions are more suspicious to me than anything NTP has done.

If you would have started this thread it would be less suspicious, and understandably authentic from your line of questioning and senior member status.

[pitt]

(05-17-2016 02:37 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 02:06 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

This is a fair statement when it comes to writing about game theory, and I don't have an answer to that.

I personally don't know if he does or doesn't have any interest in meeting anyone. I've never asked or read about it.

I know a few guys who are legit, that were skeptical about meeting other members, me included. Eventually I met up with some members. (Post Rape Article Fallout)

I also said, I take things with a grain of salt.

Trust but verify is ideal, but not always going to happen.

I still think Jariel games theory vs NTP's lifestyle has a huge difference.

I agree with everything you wrote except for game theory being easy. If it were so easy, why do very few people relatively speaking have any of it? Why do even fewer have actual good game? What are you expecting to see on a person that proves that they have great game, aside from going out hunting for hoes?

I have met maybe 8-9 people from the forum. Maybe only one of them actually looks like a player. None of them said anything better in person than what they have already written on the forum or said on a phone call. What are you guys trying to assess? Style and fashion? If I can discuss tailored suits and business wear for years on the forum and we meet in person but I have on a shirt and jeans with flip flops, does that mean I do not know fashion or style? Come on. You guys are looking for stuff that can be found before a meet up in person. Something even a phone call can even take care of. This shit sounds worst than bitches looking for excuses to call someone creepy.

I have no interest in meeting Jariel in person. I have never tried to meet him, I don't live in the same city as him and I have nothing against the guy, he actually gave me great info about Latin american cities and Miami, no grudges here.

However, we had people on this forum that claimed to be this and that but never met anybody, at the end we found out that they were full of lies.

I don't think that this forum has a policy where forum members must meet others in order to become part of this community so I am not saying that he must meet other members but I just find it strange that you would be in a forum community for so many years and you have no interest in meeting any forum members. I have received tons of information after meeting certain members here that they never disclosed online, you can't go wrong by meeting members from here. To each his own, if he doesn't want to meet other members, all good.

Writing gaming theory is not the same as writing about physics or any other complex topic. According to your logic, a guy that writes good information about game is automatically a great player?

Stop calling members crybabies, we are simply having a normal discussion, you may want to read the forum policy again.

[Neo]

This may be new to some of the guys as the Deep Forum probably gets the least amount of hits, but this all started in the Buddhism thread. I give props to TravelerKai for being the first in asking tough questions, followed by Suits and then NTP mostly dodging the questions and sending a bunch of us a PM. AverageJoe may be a new member, but he has the blessing of several of us in posting this thread.

Here is my response in the original Buddhism thread:

Quote:

I want to reiterate that this isn't a witch hunt against NTP.

I was on the original PM and I responded to everyone saying that while I hope we have the most interesting man in the world on this forum, some of his claims (mentioned below) seem embellished or outright false. I haven't read many of his posts as I haven't had much time to be on the forum lately, but a few stuck out in my memory.

1) His claim of training with Buddhist monks in China. I'll defer to Suits and TK on this one, but as we can see there are holes in the story.

2) As pointed out by Suits above, the swimming claim. Here's an article on Michael Phelp's training regimen.

https://www.muscleprodigy.com/michael-ph...-and-diet/

"In peak training phases, Phelps swims minimum 80,000 meters a week, which is nearly 50 miles."

That comes out to ~11500 meters a day. Read the quote above posted by Suits. Apparently NTPs regimen surpasses that of Michael Phelps at 50+ years old.

Any competitive swimmers here? Please chime in.

3) He recently made a post about speed reading and increasing the ability to process information.

thread-55778.htm

"...my father helped me read faster with what he called a holo-tropic sound device and I learned to read backward and forward as well as at a rate over 4 times the maximum"

I couldn't find any information about such a device, not to mention the fact that most studies on speed reading techniques have shown they don't work. I've never met anyone in my life who made such a claim.

I believe there is only one time we should 'lie' on this forum and that is to fudge small details to cover our identities. Example: The girl was really a blonde, but you said she was a brunette, she was 25, but you say she's 28, etc. I've done this myself as I'm sure so have others, we do what we have to do to throw off our enemies.

That's one thing, but IMO we don't have time for fantastic stories and extraordinary claims unless they are backed up. We're just looking to keep this forum credible, not attack anyone.

If NTP did all these things then power to him, I'll be the first to apologize and I'll be happy to learn from him in the future. Until I see the evidence however, I remain unconvinced.

I was political there. With more evidence mounting it's becoming clear that NTP has clearly plagiarized and BSed about several topics on the forum.
His credibility is zero in my eyes at this point.