Quote: (04-10-2016 10:10 PM)Fortis Wrote:
Quote: (04-10-2016 09:02 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:
Question here coming from an ABC, what's the read on gaming Russians in China?
I'm learning Russian right now for the purpose of gaming Mother Russia and FSU head on, but I figure if I'll be in China anyways quite a few times it can only help for my pool to be expanded further.
In my past experience with them (read: bluepill days), I take it they feel isolated and are mostly dancers, models (for Chinese fashion companies that only want white people to model and for cheap too), or mail order brides because the ratio's so fucked up.
Hmm, I've had mixed experiences with Russians. The dudes are overwhelming cool and friendly, but the girls? not so much.
Example: I once walk up to one of the clubs in SZ because I'm bored as fuck. I don't wanna pay cover so i start chatting with a promoter. We talk for a good 10 minutes and he just lets me in and introduces me to some of the other promoters, comped me some free drinks and made me feel very welcome.
One night I got trashed there and he made sure I got home safe and everything. Great guy, %100. I still talk to him now and then and occasionally come to that club because of that.
I've also had Russian dudes help me out in situations where I need to communicate complex ideas to Chinese people, but can't because of my shit Chinese skills.
Overall, I find them to be really cool.
The girls I've met vary. They're usually open to talking and will help me find this or that place if I ask, but when you try and grab a number they seem to freeze up a bit and shut me out.
I've had this happen in the clubs, on the train and while walking. I imagine the foreign thirst and their natural chilly nature can make them difficult to pick up.
BUT I do know a Chinese guy in Beijing who specifically targets russian girls and he seems to do quite well.
He's tall, in good shape, western educated and is cool. I imagine being Asian won't count against you. You probably get bonus points for speaking Russian.
Thanks for the kind words Fortis, though I don't only target Russian girls, I generally like European girls, much more so than American girls.
Swuglyfe, as a Chinese-face in China, our best bet (in addition to hitting the gym properly, dressing well, and generally having your shit together) is proper segmentation, aka locking down a niche. All girls visiting China have at least some interest in Chinese culture and language, especially if they are students, otherwise they wouldn't be here. (Spaniards/Greeks here because of their tanking economy notwithstanding) Your job is to be that bridge, a Chinese guy that can can show and explore with her all the parts of Chinese culture she wants to see, but also also able to connect and communicate with. You are like a rare pokemon (not my words, the friend of an Ex used that term to describe me), you are highly novel to them, and you need to seize that opportunity.
Some girls will simply dismiss you because of your race, or have zero real interest in China and Chinese culture. You know, the ones complaining how China is so terrible because it's different from where they used to live, while living in uber-Westernized Shanghai/Beijing. Ignore them, you weren't going to have a shot with them anyways. These same people will always see you as being "from here", regardless of your own cultural upbringing, so feel free to tell them to get their ass out of China and go home if they don't like it here/don't like Chinese guys.
In terms of venue, your best bet overall is day-game, where you can properly DHV, hold a conversation, and set yourself apart. At night-time in a club, you lose your novelty factor at best, at worst you get mistaken for the multitude of thirsty Chinese guys that exhibited terrible game. That is the overall strategy for an ABC in connecting with European girls in China. Bonus points if you speak a European language beyond English at a conversational level, which is a further DHV and way to build rapport.
For Russians/FSU, it's a bit different. They are European, but culturally distinct from their Western counterparts. Further, their English isn't always great. I've found, in the Russian girls I've been dated, they often spoke better Chinese than English, or preferred to speak Chinese and English equally.
How is your Chinese? If you already speak Chinese at a conversational or better level, great. If you don't speak Chinese, go talk to your parents, go get a language partner, take lessons, do whatever it takes to bring your Chinese to a decent level. You can't be the "cool Chinese guy that knows China they can communicate with" without the Chinese part. I also don't think I need to explain the business and cultural reasons you should learn Chinese.
The Russians/Ukrainians are indeed more cliquey, but day-game trumps most barriers, since you can meet them anywhere. In Beijing, I've mostly been with students. It helps that I'm in school there, but you can go to areas where students go, like Wudaokou, or visit the campuses directly.
In Shanghai, the Russians/Ukrainians I got were either through daygame on the subway, where talking to them in English helps create a bubble around you guys since she can rightfully assume others can't understand what you are talking about, or through private events like a private wine bar opening on Fuxing Lu. I've never gotten with a Russian stripper girl at a club like M1NT, Myst, M2, etc. but a Colombian guy I worked out with in my gym did when a Russian pole dancer asked him to wait for her to finish before they went back to her place (he's about 5'9, fit but not jacked). So you if you are Latin looking, work out regularly, and have decent confidence, night game should suit you very well.
This post went on a lot longer than I expected. I may just expand on this to make into a proper datasheet/strategy of sorts in the future.