Interesting comment on Rubin Report vid on youtube:
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Muslim jihadist = snake
moderate muslim = grass
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Muslim jihadist = snake
moderate muslim = grass
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The first man charged with the Islamic State (IS) Brussels terror attacks is a migrant rights activist and ‘freelance journalist’ who lived next door to headquarters of the European Union (EU).
Faycal Cheffou is thought to be the “man in the hat” pictured next to suicide bombers Najim Laachraoui and Ibrahim El Bakraoui as they entered Brussels airport shortly before 8am on the 22nd on March.
A taxi driver who dropped the men at the airport has identified him. When asked if he was the suspected third bomber, a source close to the inquiry told AFP: “That is a hypothesis the investigators are working on.”
Mr. Cheffou was listed as working for a radio station for North African migrants in an article from 2005. He claimed to be a ‘freelance journalist’ who took a special interest in refugees.
Last year Brussels Mayor, Yves Mayeur, accused him of trying to recruit jihadists among asylum seekers and migrants living at a refugee centre at Maximilien park near the northern rail station.
According to Belgium paper Le Soir, Mr. Mayeur considered him to be “dangerous” and repeatedly tried without success to have him legally expelled from the centre. Finally, in September, the mayor issued a ban to keep him out of the park.
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The jurist and legal adviser was killed in the metro attack. Her father, an economics correspondent for the state broadcaster RTBF, appeared on an evening bulletin and said: “Lauriane had extremely strong values that she fiercely defended, including equality, justice, tolerance, gender equality. I’m not naive, I know very well that security is essential today. But I think that if we build walls of exclusion, if we cultivate hatred, we’re heading for disaster. If we want a different world in the future, we need respect, tolerance and love. And we owe that to all the Laurianes in the world.”
Quote: (03-28-2016 11:09 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Man uses his daughter's death to promote multiculturalism:
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The jurist and legal adviser was killed in the metro attack. Her father, an economics correspondent for the state broadcaster RTBF, appeared on an evening bulletin and said: “Lauriane had extremely strong values that she fiercely defended, including equality, justice, tolerance, gender equality. I’m not naive, I know very well that security is essential today. But I think that if we build walls of exclusion, if we cultivate hatred, we’re heading for disaster. If we want a different world in the future, we need respect, tolerance and love. And we owe that to all the Laurianes in the world.”
Things have gotten so bad in Europe, fathers do not defend their daughters anymore. Time to wipe the slate clean and start over.
Quote: (03-28-2016 11:09 AM)Samseau Wrote:
But I think that if we build walls of exclusion,------>>> if we cultivate hatred<<<-----, we’re heading for disaster.
Quote: (03-28-2016 02:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:
Moving this to Politics now that it has calmed down.
Assuming terrorist attacks get frequent, maybe it will be better after all to start them in Politics.
Quote: (03-24-2016 05:04 PM)RandomGuy1 Wrote:
Okay, this was from your experiance.
From my experiance I can tell you that I have not met a single one who has been culturally adjusted and holds traditional European values. In my world it's just non-existend.
Now how do you want to argue with me when I tell you thas Muslims can't adapt to European values.
Quote: (03-28-2016 06:06 PM)Teutatis Wrote:Completely serious.
That as to be a rhetorical question because I doubt you're serious.
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Quote: (03-24-2016 05:04 PM)RandomGuy1 Wrote:
Okay, this was from your experiance.
From my experiance I can tell you that I have not met a single one who has been culturally adjusted and holds traditional European values. In my world it's just non-existend.
Now how do you want to argue with me when I tell you thas Muslims can't adapt to European values.
RandomGuy,
Can you tell me what are the european values that muslims can not adapt to?
Quote: (03-28-2016 06:30 PM)doodlebug786 Wrote:
Quote: (03-28-2016 06:06 PM)Teutatis Wrote:Completely serious.
That as to be a rhetorical question because I doubt you're serious.
So far from what I read it is eating pork, drinking alcohol, and sleeping with women. I figured that was said in satire, so I am curious to know what are the European values...seriously.
Quote: (03-28-2016 06:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:
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Quote: (03-24-2016 05:04 PM)RandomGuy1 Wrote:
Okay, this was from your experiance.
From my experiance I can tell you that I have not met a single one who has been culturally adjusted and holds traditional European values. In my world it's just non-existend.
Now how do you want to argue with me when I tell you thas Muslims can't adapt to European values.
RandomGuy,
Can you tell me what are the european values that muslims can not adapt to?
A better question is, why DON'T they want to adapt.
They don't embrace multiculturalism nor others religions - take a look at the UK for example. Plenty of hot beds for death to the UK.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:Wrong, they actually get first class citizenship, they get protection from the state and allowed to practice freely. The tax they pay is less than the tax muslims have to pay (2.5% a year to the poor). If the christian or jew converts to islam they have to pay this higher tax and also the men must go to war if the state gets under attack. It is cheaper for the christian to not convert and safer, they pay a less than 1% tax and the muslims must fight and protect them.
Supporting Sharia law already makes you incompatible with western society in many ways. It means you are endorsing second class citizenship for dhimmis (Christians and jews) where they have to be subdued and pay taxes. I will address the rest of your points individually.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:
You are giving words different definitions; this is an attempt at controlling the language akin to leftist argumentation tactics. Apostasy relates to freedom of religion, in non-muslim countries you are free to believe whatever you want. Being an enemy of the state involves plotting against the state and committing treason, a different concept altogether. It is sad to see you resort to dishonest arguments already.
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Mohammad himself routinely assassinated those who criticized him for pettiest of reasons including poetry and pranks. You are wrong again.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:
From the Quran (I am using public muslims sources, you can google the verses) :
But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know.
And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.
In case you are thinking “fight them” includes showering them with kisses and hugs until they revert back to Islam, I will turn to the Hadith to confirm the intended meaning. As you know, Hadith is the source of supporting traditions that is necessary to understand the Quran.
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There are plenty more verses but those suffice to get the point across. There is no talk of being given a chance and having it repeatedly rejected. I don’t know where you got this from but it seems like another fabrication.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:
More strawman arguments and deflection. We are talking about criticism of Mohammad, so I will address that.
There were many recent protests where Muslims make it clear that those who insult the prophet should be killed, this is what they believe. Muslims do intimidate, harass and ultimately assassinate critics, plenty of examples in recent times which I don’t feel the need to go over.
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Quran 33:57
Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.
Quran 33:61 continued
Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:you cant spread religion by force, just like you cant spread democracy by force. The people have to willingly accept it. Nice try though.
Without the threat of violence, Islam is meaningless. It has no universal spiritual message, it is simply a conquest manual. Over half of the Koran is dedicated to the (brutal) treatment of the infidels. There are 164 verses relating to Jihad. There is no message here beyond submission to Allah and Mohamad which is done by force.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:I already said we blame the west and israel for lots of things. your point?
You really have never heard a muslim blame the west, Israel , the US, the crusades, Christianity, Judaism, hindus and even Buddhists?
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:
I see you are using moral relativism. Would it be justified for Christians to take back Constantinople or to claim back Alexandria ?
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I speak Arabic, I lived in the middle-east, Europe and north America and befriended many muslims. Generally, the less religious the more open they are to western values.
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Who are these leaders you speak of?
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: former imam and doctorate in Islamic studies.
Quote: (03-24-2016 02:37 AM)syrianguy Wrote:At least we agree on something. So why cant you connect the dots. If you say Mossad the jews are the ones controlling ISIS, why you believe them when they say Islam is the enemy and not mossad jews?
Quote: (03-23-2016 07:04 PM)doodlebug786 Wrote:
Trump also pointed out that we give them weapons and money and we got no idea who is who.
That's true but what's your point ? Personally, I believe that ISIS are funded by the Saudis, armed by the US, given logistics by the Turks and guided by the Mossad ( who play divide and conquer in the region). That doesn't change the facts about Islam.
Quote: (03-28-2016 08:58 PM)doodlebug786 Wrote:
Wrong, they actually get first class citizenship, they get protection from the state and allowed to practice freely. The tax they pay is less than the tax muslims have to pay (2.5% a year to the poor). If the christian or jew converts to islam they have to pay this higher tax and also the men must go to war if the state gets under attack. It is cheaper for the christian to not convert and safer, they pay a less than 1% tax and the muslims must fight and protect them.
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Who do you think protected all the churches and synagogues in these countries during the ottoman empire (over 700 years). Assuming you are originally from Syria then you will know that In Syria the city of Palmyra has the oldest churches in history where the christians still talk in aramaic. They are pretty much destroyed now by ISIS (US israel, cia, mossad woteva)....so how is it that a country ruled by islamic leaders kept these churches protected all this time?? and now a bunch of rouges destroyed them.
Quote: (03-28-2016 06:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:
A better question is, why DON'T they want to adapt.
They don't embrace multiculturalism nor others religions - take a look at the UK for example. Plenty of hot beds for death to the UK.
Quote: (03-28-2016 05:47 PM)doodlebug786 Wrote:
Quote: (03-24-2016 05:04 PM)RandomGuy1 Wrote:
Okay, this was from your experiance.
From my experiance I can tell you that I have not met a single one who has been culturally adjusted and holds traditional European values. In my world it's just non-existend.
Now how do you want to argue with me when I tell you thas Muslims can't adapt to European values.
RandomGuy,
Can you tell me what are the european values that muslims can not adapt to?