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11-16-2015, 08:43 AM
@Incognito
Doesn't your experience cut against the idea of abundance then?
Maybe the right attitude to have is to have a scarcity mentality, and that the abundance concept is a crock of shit?
Red pill, feminine imperative, a woman's need to test, all of those things point toward a defensive posture.
How can a player be selfless, generous, and happy go lucky when he's dealing with terrorists?
The only abundance out there is sex with the "enemy"
A man can have a woman or a knife, but not both.
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11-16-2015, 09:39 AM
Why the fuck would you get married if you think there's a chance the bitch will take your shit?
If you aren't 100% positive that the marriage will be or life, it probably is a risk you shouldn't take.
And even if you are 100% positive: PRENUP
Also, here's a.... DON-STATUS BONUS TIP:
1.) Set up a holding company in Panama, then open a LLC in Wyoming or S. Dakota (these states allow you to register a LLC with complete anonymity and have no personal or corporate income tax).
2.) Issue all shares to the Panamanian company. It bills your LLC for "services", "rent", "marketing", etc.
3.) Pay the Panamanian entity from the LLC.
**At years end, there is no income, assets, etc. available through the US company. The holding company holds your interests and assets. Since it never does business except with companies it owns, there is a massive firewall between your money and any potential liability in the US.
Divorce the leech, keep your money while laughing all the way to the bank. Rinse, repeat ;D
Disclaimer: I dunno how this would work for Canadians or anyone else...
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11-16-2015, 10:50 AM
Not sure if i should reply to somebody promoting Panamanian asset protection
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11-16-2015, 11:47 AM
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11-16-2015, 11:56 AM
Quote: (11-16-2015 11:47 AM)XXL Wrote:
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If I'm not mistaken, WIA is arguing that abundance mentality should extend to LTRs because if that's what you want fine, and if she doesn't want you one day, still fine because there's so many other girls out there that you can LTR.
Abundance mentality shouldn't keep you from settling down if that's what you want.
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11-16-2015, 12:27 PM
Basically.
This post was inspired by that scarcity mentality that permeates all LTR discussions.
I can't imagine that all these smart men can't see the writing on the wall.
If you follow their logic,
- majority of marriages, here and often abroad end
- asset protection schemes are either scams or ridiculously difficult to make practical
- women brought here will be corrupted
- women in desirable countries will eventually fall to either feminism or technology
Where is the abundance?
Macro and micro forces are eating away at objective abundance.
The very thing that most guys want is clearly not possible, not in the long run.
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11-16-2015, 02:37 PM
Reality has made the abundance mentality untenable.
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11-16-2015, 02:45 PM
Quote: (11-16-2015 02:37 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Reality has made the abundance mentality untenable.
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What do you mean my friend?
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11-16-2015, 03:05 PM
Quote: (11-14-2015 03:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
"I'm not going to get married because she'll talk half my stuff and the kids"
vs
"Abundance"
Shouldn't the abundance mentality extend to LTR's. I.E, if I get "frivorced", there's so much out there that I don't need to worry?
For the average Joe, a classic divorce (50% initial split, usually immediate loss of access to shared accommodation space, an on-going wealth transfer arrengement for the future) will degrade life quality seriously.
A really wealthy Joe on the other hand, has an option - even a costly classic divorce will not degrade his life quality seriously.
Therefore IMO abundance mentality should not extend to long term relationships for the average Joe.
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11-16-2015, 03:55 PM
The clearest way I can put it is: loyal, marriage-worthy women are becoming rarer by the minute. It's very difficult to predict whether a woman will be loyal in advance. Therefore don't plan your life in such a way that you would be devastated if your marriage fails.
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11-16-2015, 04:12 PM
What is the alternative?
Very few men are cut out to be alone once they reach a certain age.
The older you get the harder it is to adjust to new things.
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11-16-2015, 05:45 PM
^^^That recent dip in divorces is due to the 2008 issues.
Lot of people couldn't afford to not live together to get through it.
I was thinking about this today, a high percent of divorces claim financial issues being the reason for divorce. When people split, don't those finances get strained more? Two rents/mortgages, etc? Since the majority of divorces are initiated by women, basically, they don't want to listen to the earner on how to handle money. Divorce is just a way for a woman not to learn anything it seems.
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11-16-2015, 05:49 PM
There is no real point of getting married if not for procreation. If you choose to procreate then it would follow that you choose to rear and support your offspring whether in or out of wedlock. If you choose to do so then it follows if you pick a feminine gender role supportive female then you could conceivably not want her to work too hard through her child rearing years. Thus she learns no skils to support herself should you two split. Which likely should imply you want the creature that bore your offspring not to be destitute one you two part. So what would you think such split should cost. I'm not talking as of current legal reality but of some idealized libertarian worldview
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11-16-2015, 06:25 PM
Even with abundance, the game is still not easy. Especially as you get older.
I'm enjoying single life now and though my success has skyrocketed since learning game, it's still a lot of work and at times can be frustrating.
The texting, constantly being on the hunt, the flaking, the girls that are interested and their hormones change or their minds change and they decide no to the date. Hell, the girls you bang until they're screaming bloody mary and still flake or ghost. Not to mention competing with the girl's cellphone and every orbiter she has constantly hitting her up.
I don't want to do this forever. If I was famous or didn't mind blowing money on whores, like Bilzerian, it'd be different.
Eventually I see myself looking for a LTR, probably abroad. Also, I'd like kids one day.
I'll just have to pick the best girl I can find, if marriage is in the cards - prenup up, and decide to live in an area or locale that will, by my own judgement, have the best success for being an environment for a good LTR/marriage and family life.
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11-16-2015, 08:47 PM
Like this topic of scarcity vs abundance regarding marriage. I think another factor in the decision for rational-thinking men to forego marriage has to do with society subsidizing the costs of children as opposed to leaving it in the private hands of the family. There used to be laws and structure in place to make sure children were brought up in as good of an environment as possible. This essentially made a man and a woman have a marriage "license" where sex and cohabitation were legal and the contract was for life. Barring the exceptions like the death of a parent, imprisonment, etc. a mother and father were around. Laws were also in place to prevent moral hazards, such as it being illegal for a man and woman to live together without the marriage license and no state support for bastard children.
Now with a large welfare state where a woman will get child support from either the father or government (or both), having a child is now a public matter instead of a private contract between the husband and wife. Sure, communities and family members always supported the family but a lot more control was with the individuals who had the children. Now the government is the ultimate authority in deciding what is best for the children in case the marriage breaks down (where previously the church and community were helping hands in difficult marriages, but the husband and wife were expected to stick it out).
In essence, with the state having a larger role in raising children (which was a large purpose in marriage in the first place), many are opting out due to the risk and costs. Sex is cheap and can be had without the contract. The costs of marriage due to the new structure have gone way up, and less men can afford to both be married and still have an abundance mentality regarding the marriage itself. It is almost like public vs. private schools (and health care in the future). Whether your kid goes to public school or not, we all pay for the public schooling of children through taxation. But for those that are well off and want a better education for their children, they will send them to private school, not worrying that they are paying double because the value is better in their eyes and the costs are not a massive burden. Here, they have an abundance mentality and aren't as worried that their kids are going to be brainwashed by the government, become drug users, have lousy teachers, etc (even though private school isn't immune to this).
I feel this is similar to marriage in the modern world. It is still in our biology to reproduce and have children, and wealthier men can afford the higher cost of marriage and the risk. They know that with their wealth and game that their wife has a prize, and simultaneously, they get to enjoy the benefits of being fathers and status in their work/communities. If it all falls apart and the wife frivorces them, then they pay a cost which doesn't destroy their life, and they move on to the next project and adventure with women and other interests. They could afford it, and while they aren't happy about the divorce, they likely won't spend the rest of their lives hating the system and being bitter towards women.
While I have no statistical evidence, this is why through observation that upper-middle class families seem to have a lower divorce rate than society as a whole (not the super rich 1% but those that do well in fields like medicine, law, between $200,00-$400,000 type), where a family is created and there is a larger abundance mentality with the man towards the institution and possible risks. The system might have intended to help out the poor and children through welfare payments and nanny-state support, but it has made the hidden costs of marriage and family more expensive for average Americans, giving the lot a scarcity mentality in the process.