Quote: (06-11-2015 07:28 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:
Nationalism would benefit everyone if people actually knew how to get their nations' acts together.
By glorifying globalism you are saying those nations that cannot succeed within themselves are losers. Big fucking losers.
Why then can these individuals and nations not look into the mirror see the truth so they can change themselves?
If you are a fan of globalism you are saying your country and people are pieces of shit that can't function on a high level. Now that is truly sad.
Globalism doesnt require a country to be worse than another to benefit, only that the country has a comparative advantage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage relative to the other. Then they can specialise in what they do best and trade the surplus. In this case... Americans have the entrepreneurship skills and Indians have the dirt cheap labor.
What benefit does a nation have that invididuals within the nations do not?
Quote: (06-11-2015 06:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
Ask the programmers that got fired what was wrong with it? Obviously these people weren't incompetent programmers or they wouldn't have been asked to train the Indians to do their jobs. Disney operates in a first-world country, depends on first-world customers but doesn't want to pay its employees first-world wages while enjoying the benefits of doing business in the first world such as an affluent consumer base, stability, rule of law, safety, etc. And you think nothing is wrong with this picture?
Depends how you define incompetent. Relative to the amount they wanted to be paid, yes, they were. A burger flipper is not incompetent at $1/hr but definitely is at $50/hr.
Also the first world consumer base/stability/rule of law or whatever bs you list is covered by the(extremely expensive) rent. Or owning land.
Quote: (06-11-2015 06:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
What does this have to do with American exceptionalism? This is called protecting your nation's employment market.
Protectionism is a sad scarcity mentality mindset and economically inefficient(proven by economists).
Quote: (06-11-2015 06:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
Why the hell do we owe India anything? Why should I give a shit about India or their poverty problems? America is a couple hundreds years old and created the most prosperous society on earth. India is a civilization going back thousands of years. I'd say they had a hell of a head start to create a prosperous nation and yet people are still shitting on sidewalks and bathing in the biohazardous Ganges river. Let them create their own opportunities there. We don't owe them a thing. What have they ever done for us?
Why do the American companies owe American programmers anything? "Loyalty" just because everyone happened to be roped together on the same bit of land?
Quote: (06-11-2015 06:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
Really, so you think that programmer that lost his 6 figure job is going to make up for that in his stock portfolio? Thus it's all a wash? Lol.
No. The programmer is likely replacing his job... maybe with something marginally worse. Maybe he will get a pay cut/job quality decrease of around 25%. The more incompetent you are, the more you will suffer. But chances are high you are a shareholder... or businessman... or someone who interacts with shareholder or businessmen... and you stand to gain a lot from technological progress(chances are lower than you are affected by the outsource in question. Unless outsourcing becomes an epidemic, in which case economic growth without doing anything also does).
Quote: (06-11-2015 06:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
How do you know those Disney programmers were doing inefficient work? So just because somebody somewhere in a third world country is working for a fraction of the wage that you are means you are inefficient? Well then let's just fire all working Americans tomorrow and bring in a few hundred million cheap foreigners to replace them. We can turn America into one big Odesk.
I dont know. But clearly Disney thinks so and they have the money and the professional opinion. Also third worlders only work for low wages because they are poor, but once they start working they will no longer be poor. Wages only can go down(if they do) because of their poverty; otherwise it would be similar or better(big cities have better wages because of more workers, for example).
Odesk is a thriving website, no? Maybe Elance is better.