Definitions are all over the map

"It means no effort"

"It means very attractive chicks"

"It's way more efficient"

"Jedi Mind Tricks!"

Floor is open, what's your take on the question.

WIA

It doesn't mean "no effort".

To me, and I'm not trying to blow smoke up people's ass, fuck that shit, but to me it would be how someone like yourself or Jariel applies game.

You have put in a lot more time and effort towards the game than I have. I am still a spectator.

Someone I see coming in to advanced game territory, would be Clean Slate. He might disagree but his Deaf Game datasheet is a mindblower, next level shit.

When someone talks about Advanced Game, I imagine they can accomplish the following on a regular basis:

- Same day lays out of daygaming or street pickup
- Setting up threesomes
- Managing several plates at once, especially if they know about each other
- Able to "take over" a nightclub or party by talking to the VIPs, owners, hosts, and pull whatever they want from there

Note I am nowhere close to achieving any of these, so I don't feel qualified to discuss any of them in depth. I only am regurgitating impressive achievements from what I've heard other guys do.

EDIT: Haha, how funny is that Lizard King ^^ mentions me as an example of advanced game, right as I was posting my thoughts. Really, I don't have advanced game. I might be able to explain body language better than the lay person, only because I don't have much noise interfering with me reading people.

You've got the right building blocks in place CS.

Another I see developing well, and moving in to advanced territory is Robreke. He has been seeing great results from the effort he has put in.

Interesting topic. I have actually been thinking about this lately.

I think there are two camps here:

Guys that fuck a lot of girls, and guys that have tight game.

Reminds me of that Big Pun lyric: "I'm not a player, I just fuck a lot"

I think a lot of guys fall into this camp, myself included. I've averaged a new notch every 5 days so far this year, which seem like the results of an expert. But in reality I have pretty average skills. I've just figured out a process for getting cute girls into my place quickly so I can bang them.

It's not game, it's just a linear progression built around logistics and knowing how to pick up on social cues and how to flirt a little bit.

Same with threesomes, spinning plates, same day bangs, online game, all that shit is just a linear process that anyone can learn and implement. Once you understand the subtelty of things is when you start banging more, but again I still don't think it's game, it's just putting in the work and effort.

So that is Camp #1

Camp #2 is for guys that have mastered the Cold Approach, which I think is the hallmark of an advanced player.

This is someone that can pull girls from any situation that they encounter. This person doesn't think about "game," they are just someone that cold approaches any girl they want to bang, and they are successful at closing the deal.

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I also think emotional control could be considered advanced game.

As I've said before, fucking girls is easy once you get the hang of it, but finding happiness and stability while fulfulling your own sexual desires is challenging.

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I'll put it like this: advanced game is when you bang a lot of pretty girls from cold approach, and it doesn't affect your happiness one way or the other.

This:

To me advance game is when when girls come to you. This achieved through social circles, fame, money. Create the bubble and they will come. I've written about it before:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-11170.html


Gaming women has the same general concepts as your career. Advancement in both is similar. Starting out, you have no skills/experience. Basically, you suck. This is when you have to go out knocking on doors and have to convince women and employers why they should bang/hire you. Over time, your experience builds, and at some point the table turn and both actively seek you out. This is the advanced level. Make them come to you.

Countdown to:

• Borderline-female swooning over Vladimir Putin
• Leonardo DiCaprio with gaggle of hotties
• Robin Thicke with hot new bitch
  

Advanced game is different for different people. I think it's the point
where you stop thinking of it as something you "do" and it just becomes
something you are. Like a legendary Blues guitarist(B.B King)

Game is a skill. What players are trying to deconstruct is the female brain. Advanced players navigate the female brain, gently stroking the areas that wet the pussy while avoiding the mine fields everywhere else. The hard part is finding the patterns that apply to most girls, rather than working just one niche. For non-naturals it requires hours upon hours, reps upon reps, with a unique mindset to deconstruct themselves AND the other person, and eventually find the patterns that work on a majority of bitches. Advanced non-natural players are ridiculously self-aware and calibrated, and have 'growth mindsets.'



Eventually you just do shit on autopilot. I'm at conscious incompetence right now.

consistency in meeting getting and keeping attractive women in demand

Advanced Game level will look differently for every man.

Disregarding such easy pull-factors like Fame it means that you are well-versed in the current Game and Red Pill perception and use it to the max of your potential.

Your potential depends on your looks, height - even intelligence to a degree. If you are a guy with an IQ of 90 and model-looks, then I don't expect you to touch Valhalla Game levels. You work with what you got.

For example - I have 2 friends who are both very good-looking - one a male 9 (was offered model contract once) and one a "Natural" male 8. The model-looks guy has very limited Game, but could pull girls every night of the day. I would estimate his Game level at Beginner - not even moderate. The other one has also fucked many women and stayed most of his life on a medium level despite banging plenty of girls. Only now after having studied Game consciously does he touch upon his potential and manages to bang girls who stretch his abilities - 8+ girls in the prime who fuck celebrities and other high value men. And he still has not reached his potential as he is lacking in various Game fields.

So I guess how much you can pull is not an automatic indicator of your Game level. A blonde blue eyed 6"3 Scandinavian can pull easily in Brazil non-stop - can he do the same in Stockholm with models? Also what Game skills are necessary to put up your model-mug up on Tinder and get dates with 6-girls 7 days a week and manage to not fuck up 3 of them?

So advanced Level in Game to me means someone who has reached his potential with the available Game knowledge out there and he is so well-versed that he could teach others expertly (almost no "Natural" can).

Forum members who have likely reached that level:
Giovonny
Roosh
Fisto
Krauser
WIA
20Nation

Those guys have different approaches, looks, potential, but have likely attained a plateau of skills that would now need some massive value boost - money, fame - to catapult them higher without exerting a ton of time-intensive work.

Quote: (05-16-2015 03:05 PM)XXL Wrote:  

consistency in meeting getting and keeping attractive women in demand

How's that any different from just being an average player?

WIA

Good question:

I would imagine advanced game is where your game is good, but everything around your game is excellent: great physique, complimentary style, awesome friends with solid game, you have your city on lock, you actually like your city, your money is good, you live 5 minutes from your favorite venue, the bouncers there know you as that guy, bartenders and wait staff are happy to see you, other guys actually like when you show up because girls get wild around you and you make their middling game seem better than it is.

But I guess that still doesn't address the actual question. I"ll let you know about advanced game when I get there in a couple of years.

@WIA

so called average player happens to meet
very attractive women. sometimes gets them. and rarely keeps them. but he's very good at whining on forums how different game is in the city/country where he fails

basically lack of consistency. every really cool cat i met could meet get and keep really hot girl relatively fast anywhere he went.

Guys who consistently have attractive women fawning over them. The type of guy that if they breakup with a woman, she's the one crying for days weeks or even months, and she would always go back to him (regardless of whatever new guy she ends up with or marries). Think back to high school when a cute cheerleader got dumped by the quarterback for a hotter cheerleader.

This isn't nearly as common nowadays because any woman above a 6 on the looks scale & in-shape has a revolving door of orbiters on demand (looking for the first opportunity to console her hoping it turns into more), but a small percentage of guys can still pull it off.

Advanced game = the girl is crazy about you and you're running the game like you're David Ortiz going up against a rookie pitcher.

I used to think that advanced game was simply getting a lot of girls attracted to you and willing to follow your lead. After some experience I realized that that's pretty easy. After maybe a month of consistent practice I was pretty good at doing this - leading, dominating, etc.

What I've come to understand is that girls are extremely fickle, and technology has only made this a lot worse. When we rail about technology here, that is at base what we're railing against. Technology has multiplied by many factors this feminine fickleness, and thus making it harder for men to set up the logistics for the close.

From my current perspective, advanced game is consistently reducing this fickleness, leading her to situations where you can make the close happen.

Have been with a variety of women in a variety of circumstances, fairly high notch counts. Mastered both ons game and relationship game. For example I have a buddy who is near triple digits who lives in Vegas, he has great ONS game but the guy basically just spam approaches till something sticks, but he has never had a girlfriend and don't think he would be able to keep a girl around if he had to. Can have advanced discussions about what works in game and what doesn't. If a non-natural have been practicing formal game for many years, 5+ to truly become advance.

If your not a natural think of Game as MMPORG such as World of Warcraft, you start off with bad weapons, weak armor and as a weak character. As you go on quests and complete missions and slay bigger monsters you advance up and get better gear and character skills. Game is similar at first you maybe reactive, can't hold a strong frame, weak verbal game and your life isn't what you wish it would be. As you slay more hoes and complete larger quests(threesomes, multiple plates, first fuck buddy, first ons, depends where you are in your game) you grow and build off those successes just as a MMPORG.

Quote: (05-16-2015 03:21 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Advanced Game level will look differently for every man.

Disregarding such easy pull-factors like Fame it means that you are well-versed in the current Game and Red Pill perception and use it to the max of your potential.

Your potential depends on your looks, height - even intelligence to a degree. If you are a guy with an IQ of 90 and model-looks, then I don't expect you to touch Valhalla Game levels. You work with what you got.

For example - I have 2 friends who are both very good-looking - one a male 9 (was offered model contract once) and one a "Natural" male 8. The model-looks guy has very limited Game, but could pull girls every night of the day. I would estimate his Game level at Beginner - not even moderate. The other one has also fucked many women and stayed most of his life on a medium level despite banging plenty of girls. Only now after having studied Game consciously does he touch upon his potential and manages to bang girls who stretch his abilities - 8+ girls in the prime who fuck celebrities and other high value men. And he still has not reached his potential as he is lacking in various Game fields.

So I guess how much you can pull is not an automatic indicator of your Game level. A blonde blue eyed 6"3 Scandinavian can pull easily in Brazil non-stop - can he do the same in Stockholm with models? Also what Game skills are necessary to put up your model-mug up on Tinder and get dates with 6-girls 7 days a week and manage to not fuck up 3 of them?

So advanced Level in Game to me means someone who has reached his potential with the available Game knowledge out there and he is so well-versed that he could teach others expertly (almost no "Natural" can).

Forum members who have likely reached that level:
Giovonny
Roosh
Fisto
Krauser
WIA
20Nation

Those guys have different approaches, looks, potential, but have likely attained a plateau of skills that would now need some massive value boost - money, fame - to catapult them higher without exerting a ton of time-intensive work.

How do you know these members have reached this level? Have you met them personally?

They very well may have, but you can't drawn conclusions solely based on how someone writes about Game.

Very few will reach this level in that they are pulling consistent, high quality women over a long period of time. No matter how you slice it, Game is results based. Get to know someone and see the girls he approaches, dates, bangs, and has mini-relationships/relationships with. His Game level will become clear once you see him with women.

I think there are many styles of advanced game but the players with advanced game all have similar abilities. They have the ability to pull and have under their grasp high quality women across any setting consistently and are aware of their level of control.

Across any setting is important because many guys will kill in a niche but don't have the ability to transfer that level of game to every single setting they put themselves in. Can they pull at a high class charity dinner, at the most ratchet club in town, the beach, the board room, an expensive lounge bar, a dive bar, a sports game, in other countries and their own.

Their whole life can facilitate great game as well. A bank roll to be able to go anywhere and pull, a physique in the top 10% of men, style that puts them as the best dressed in any setting, a social circle with great business contacts and beautiful, upper echelon women.

At some point, you reach a level of proficiency where you pretty
much get similar results as long as you have similar conditions.

Given enough time, You effectively "plateau" and either maintain
a great relationship or continue dating. The only way to advance
is to apply your skills to other areas of life and other endeavors.

Quote: (05-17-2015 03:18 PM)XXL Wrote:  

@WIA

so called average player happens to meet
very attractive women. sometimes gets them. and rarely keeps them. but he's very good at whining on forums how different game is in the city/country where he fails

basically lack of consistency. every really cool cat i met could meet get and keep really hot girl relatively fast anywhere he went.

In my experience, that would make him an average guy, not an average player.

WIA

High time efficiency only.

That is, his results do not define his skill at playing the game, since that can depend on other attractiveness factors.

His skill comes from being able to detect DTF girls, accurately screen girls as fast as possible, reveal non-visual attractive traits effectively, having a good understanding of the courtship dance, and moving it forward to sex in the shortest time but with the highest odds of success.

You could approximate it by 'against other men who are equally attractive to an average girl, when investing equal time and effort to get girls of a given attractiveness to the average man, secure the top X percentile of sexual success'.
X is as subjective as the word 'advanced', so say 90th percentile.

Advanced game would be akin to advancement in any sport.

Advanced player is able to convert any girl, especially the ones that are not into him initially, into a bang. Doesn't matter if the girl is available, on her period, married, has kids. Basically - the advanced player is able to overcome obstacles a average player cannot overcome. The advanced player sees the game faster than anyone else, anticipates defenses and executes strategies that renders the girl helpless and irresistible, to the point where she can't do anything but bang.

Regardless of age or genetics - this is the 1 characteristic, that in my opinion, defines an advanced player.

• Effort vs Result is balanced
• Result is above average quality
• Consistency in Result quality and quantity
• Ability to control burnouts and maintain a solid mindset
• Lifestyle is directly proportional to the results aquired
  

Not even close to being an advanced player, but that is what I picture it would be when the time comes.