That's a idea for a different post. What is mastery
How would you define "Advanced" Game?
I consider another element of advanced, or mastery level game is to leave girls better than you found them. Any schmuck can weasel his way into the pussy by lying or whatnot, but doing it without leaving her a train wreck takes advanced skill. If we all practiced this, the field would be much easier to play. Pay it forward for your fellow players.
Quote: (05-19-2015 01:36 PM)Pride male Wrote:
Are we all agreeing that advanced game is mainly about quality? As in, the advanced player only fucks dimes, 8s and 9s and no less than occasional 7?
Definitely not. As I've said, it's about efficiency.
Your behaviour cannot boost your attractiveness above a small margin (attractiveness is 'brought', not 'done'), but it can improve screening (avoiding time wasters), it can improve the speed at which you travel the line between meeting and sex, and being more astute can help 'pick out' the DTF girls.
The quality of girl will depend primarily on your attractiveness, provided you have enough 'game' to 'execute' that attractiveness, since the more attractive you are the more likely you beat other prospects she knows or are hitting on her.
Simply: you can believe you're the most 'advanced PUA' in the world, but you are not pulling from a club full of movie stars if they merely ask each girl 'hey, want to party at mine?'.
@Noir, that's what the post is about. I'm looking for an answer.
But what I'm getting at does not get at the itch in my brain. So maybe I'm asking the question in a way that only generates these type of responses, things that I've already read in other places.
I think advanced game, if such a thing exists, isn't mastery.
Mastery, in my mind at least, is internalization of the strategy, tactics, body language and behaviors. I know those can be internalized therefore mastered.
And if you're of the mind that a bang is only a conversation away, then you've got portable game.
That wraps up a lot of the purported definitions of advanced game. After that it's about hotter chicks, numbers, crazier situations etc. Using what you've learned in non sex situations.
I don't think sleeping with girls is a rare event, especially for a normal socially adjusted guy.
Cold approaching or purposefully building a cool social circle is NOT normal. Regular guys do not spend a lot of time and energy doing that. Some guys do though.
If mastery is advanced, then I need really examine what in thinking about.
But what I'm getting at does not get at the itch in my brain. So maybe I'm asking the question in a way that only generates these type of responses, things that I've already read in other places.
I think advanced game, if such a thing exists, isn't mastery.
Mastery, in my mind at least, is internalization of the strategy, tactics, body language and behaviors. I know those can be internalized therefore mastered.
And if you're of the mind that a bang is only a conversation away, then you've got portable game.
That wraps up a lot of the purported definitions of advanced game. After that it's about hotter chicks, numbers, crazier situations etc. Using what you've learned in non sex situations.
I don't think sleeping with girls is a rare event, especially for a normal socially adjusted guy.
Cold approaching or purposefully building a cool social circle is NOT normal. Regular guys do not spend a lot of time and energy doing that. Some guys do though.
If mastery is advanced, then I need really examine what in thinking about.
I'm not fully sure I understand the question but;
For me, mastery is being able to pull a lot of hot chicks on your terms etc. (Having strong game).
Advanced game is stuff like cold reading, LINUXs style where he doesn't even speak the language- game that pushes the boat out and that is outside of most player's repetoire. It's literally game techniques that are more advanced and are further away from the stuff an average guy is capable of/ comfortable with.
For me, mastery is being able to pull a lot of hot chicks on your terms etc. (Having strong game).
Advanced game is stuff like cold reading, LINUXs style where he doesn't even speak the language- game that pushes the boat out and that is outside of most player's repetoire. It's literally game techniques that are more advanced and are further away from the stuff an average guy is capable of/ comfortable with.
@Cyr. By giving a definition you understand what the original post is about. There's no right answer, much less a prize. It's a post about thinking if it has any ulterior purpose.
Cold reading to me is just a tool. Carnival barkers and con men aren't any better at reading details and speaking truisms than a regular guy could be.
As to the homie Linux, he's running direct game and reaping the rewards. There are a whole lot of naysayers in that post saying what he is doing can't be done by regular guys.
True, but to me what separates Linux from the average youngish guy with a good physique is that he has the balls to fly to Colombia and make it happen. Plus he seems to enjoy what he's doing, not grinding for notches. That's why he's special. But he's not like a one in billion player. What he is doing is attainable. He spells out everything he's doing. a blueprint to Pussy. He's a guy, just like me and you. Comrades Fisto and 20Nation did the same.
Dan Blizerian, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney, etc those guys are rich, ~young, and famous and desirable. That's hard to replicate. That takes years and a whole lotta luck.
WIA
Cold reading to me is just a tool. Carnival barkers and con men aren't any better at reading details and speaking truisms than a regular guy could be.
As to the homie Linux, he's running direct game and reaping the rewards. There are a whole lot of naysayers in that post saying what he is doing can't be done by regular guys.
True, but to me what separates Linux from the average youngish guy with a good physique is that he has the balls to fly to Colombia and make it happen. Plus he seems to enjoy what he's doing, not grinding for notches. That's why he's special. But he's not like a one in billion player. What he is doing is attainable. He spells out everything he's doing. a blueprint to Pussy. He's a guy, just like me and you. Comrades Fisto and 20Nation did the same.
Dan Blizerian, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney, etc those guys are rich, ~young, and famous and desirable. That's hard to replicate. That takes years and a whole lotta luck.
WIA
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:52 PM)Cyr Wrote:LINUX's style is that he is, by admission and avatar, good looking and hugely ripped, and in a country where he stands out. His 'game techniques' are substantially simpler than the bizzaro stuff you see coming from the PUAs.
Advanced game is stuff like cold reading, LINUXs style where he doesn't even speak the language- game that pushes the boat out and that is outside of most player's repetoire. It's literally game techniques that are more advanced and are further away from the stuff an average guy is capable of/ comfortable with.
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
@Noir, that's what the post is about. I'm looking for an answer.
But what I'm getting at does not get at the itch in my brain. So maybe I'm asking the question in a way that only generates these type of responses, things that I've already read in other places.
I think advanced game, if such a thing exists, isn't mastery.
Mastery, in my mind at least, is internalization of the strategy, tactics, body language and behaviors. I know those can be internalized therefore mastered.
And if you're of the mind that a bang is only a conversation away, then you've got portable game.
That wraps up a lot of the purported definitions of advanced game. After that it's about hotter chicks, numbers, crazier situations etc. Using what you've learned in non sex situations.
I don't think sleeping with girls is a rare event, especially for a normal socially adjusted guy.
Cold approaching or purposefully building a cool social circle is NOT normal. Regular guys do not spend a lot of time and energy doing that. Some guys do though.
If mastery is advanced, then I need really examine what in thinking about.
I feel you man, advanced game is the comebacks, the little nuances and actively affecting the direction of the interaction in real-time by picking up the cues.
80% is text book, this is the other 20%?
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:13 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:
I consider another element of advanced, or mastery level game is to leave girls better than you found them. Any schmuck can weasel his way into the pussy by lying or whatnot, but doing it without leaving her a train wreck takes advanced skill. If we all practiced this, the field would be much easier to play. Pay it forward for your fellow players.
That's a huge myth in my opinion.
No girl will be "better" after breaking up with really cool charismatic guy no matter how much she grew being with him. No advanced skill can magically take away her pain. If anything she will just be waaay more devastated by the break up.
I mean.. good luck trying to get a girl I broke up with recently. She's broken. Not only by the break up but also cause she feels I ruined it for every guy that will come next. The overall experience [positive and negative] she had with me is quite unattainable even for players, not to even mention normal guys.
The more advanced you are the worse "trail of destruction" you leave behind you breaking up
Quote: (05-19-2015 03:38 PM)XXL Wrote:
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:13 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:
I consider another element of advanced, or mastery level game is to leave girls better than you found them. Any schmuck can weasel his way into the pussy by lying or whatnot, but doing it without leaving her a train wreck takes advanced skill. If we all practiced this, the field would be much easier to play. Pay it forward for your fellow players.
That's a huge myth in my opinion.
No girl will be "better" after breaking up with really cool charismatic guy no matter how much she grew being with him. No advanced skill can magically take away her pain. If anything she will just be waaay more devastated by the break up.
I mean.. good luck trying to get a girl I broke up with recently. She's broken. Not only by the break up but also cause she feels I ruined it for every guy that will come next. The overall experience [positive and negative] she had with me is quite unattainable even for players, not to even mention normal guys.
The more advanced you are the worse "trail of destruction" you leave behind you breaking up
Alpha widows.
I had a relevant discussion with a friend about this. He had recently met this girl through a friend. Cute Danish chick (maybe HB 7-8). He started raving about how he gets better girls than me and proceeded to text her "i love you" in Danish and inundate her with emoticons.
Obviously he's fairly inexperienced, but it got me thinking. Is what he did "Social Circle Game?" Either way, it will be a while before he sleeps with her. As several others said in this thread, I consider advanced game to be centered around SNLs or ONSs. Cold approaches resulting in ONSs. Pulling relatively quickly with ease from a night club. I guess quality would also be a strong thing to consider. That is my benchmark if I ever reach that point.
Obviously he's fairly inexperienced, but it got me thinking. Is what he did "Social Circle Game?" Either way, it will be a while before he sleeps with her. As several others said in this thread, I consider advanced game to be centered around SNLs or ONSs. Cold approaches resulting in ONSs. Pulling relatively quickly with ease from a night club. I guess quality would also be a strong thing to consider. That is my benchmark if I ever reach that point.
Maine and Canadian lobsters are the same animal. Prove me wrong.
Meeting a girl through your existent social circle is NOT game. That's called being normal.
Building a circle
Infiltrating a circle
Leveraging a circle
Fucking different chicks in the circle on the low
That's game.
I met my girl at school, work, a house party, through a friend is not game. Its why we have 7+ billion people on the planet.
WIA
Building a circle
Infiltrating a circle
Leveraging a circle
Fucking different chicks in the circle on the low
That's game.
I met my girl at school, work, a house party, through a friend is not game. Its why we have 7+ billion people on the planet.
WIA
Quote: (05-19-2015 03:38 PM)XXL Wrote:
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:13 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:
I consider another element of advanced, or mastery level game is to leave girls better than you found them. Any schmuck can weasel his way into the pussy by lying or whatnot, but doing it without leaving her a train wreck takes advanced skill. If we all practiced this, the field would be much easier to play. Pay it forward for your fellow players.
That's a huge myth in my opinion.
No girl will be "better" after breaking up with really cool charismatic guy no matter how much she grew being with him. No advanced skill can magically take away her pain. If anything she will just be waaay more devastated by the break up.
I mean.. good luck trying to get a girl I broke up with recently. She's broken. Not only by the break up but also cause she feels I ruined it for every guy that will come next. The overall experience [positive and negative] she had with me is quite unattainable even for players, not to even mention normal guys.
The more advanced you are the worse "trail of destruction" you leave behind you breaking up
Yes, a woman gets very upset when the guy who they let do anything; stops wanting to do anything to her.
Quote: (05-19-2015 03:36 PM)Phoenix Wrote:
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:52 PM)Cyr Wrote:LINUX's style is that he is, by admission and avatar, good looking and hugely ripped, and in a country where he stands out. His 'game techniques' are substantially simpler than the bizzaro stuff you see coming from the PUAs.
Advanced game is stuff like cold reading, LINUXs style where he doesn't even speak the language- game that pushes the boat out and that is outside of most player's repetoire. It's literally game techniques that are more advanced and are further away from the stuff an average guy is capable of/ comfortable with.
Isn't that more or less the way a lot of men here put game in to practice?
Linux gave a small list of things he thought were required to bang many lizards, first on the list was 'Be Masculine'. That's part of advanced game isn't it?
Quote: (05-19-2015 04:42 PM)Lizard King Wrote:
Quote: (05-19-2015 03:36 PM)Phoenix Wrote:
Quote: (05-19-2015 02:52 PM)Cyr Wrote:LINUX's style is that he is, by admission and avatar, good looking and hugely ripped, and in a country where he stands out. His 'game techniques' are substantially simpler than the bizzaro stuff you see coming from the PUAs.
Advanced game is stuff like cold reading, LINUXs style where he doesn't even speak the language- game that pushes the boat out and that is outside of most player's repetoire. It's literally game techniques that are more advanced and are further away from the stuff an average guy is capable of/ comfortable with.
Isn't that more or less the way a lot of men here put game in to practice?
Linux gave a small list of things he thought were required to bang many lizards, first on the list was 'Be Masculine'. That's part of advanced game isn't it?
So what would basic game be?
Be alive? Breathe? Show up?
I'm not trying to be flippant.
Is that how you're defining advanced game?
WIA
Quote: (05-19-2015 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:I don't think you're being flippant, and I don't really feel qualified to make definitions but I can still join in the discussion. The point I'm trying to make is: a lot of guys here spend a lot of time in the gym, and it pays dividends for them with the lizards. It's an aspect of their game. Being extremely masculine attracts the higher tiers of femininity. I think it's an aspect of 'advanced game'.
So what would basic game be?
Be alive? Breathe? Show up?
I'm not trying to be flippant.
Is that how you're defining advanced game?
WIA
You can't define advanced game until you define the purpose
of game itself...or what it is exactly you're playing for.
What's the outcome? Once you've fulfilled your purpose..ie that you can get
an attractive girl or even 10 of them, then your game has reached the peak of
it's natural lifecycle.
Some guys might be more experienced, or more creative, or have a better work
ethic...however once your purpose has been achieved then your game has
become "optimized" according to it's original purpose.
Define your purpose and you can define advanced game.
Now relationship game will be a little different since it doesn't have
such a clearly defined endstate and evolves over time so there's room
to advance and innovate since they're more open-ended.
of game itself...or what it is exactly you're playing for.
What's the outcome? Once you've fulfilled your purpose..ie that you can get
an attractive girl or even 10 of them, then your game has reached the peak of
it's natural lifecycle.
Some guys might be more experienced, or more creative, or have a better work
ethic...however once your purpose has been achieved then your game has
become "optimized" according to it's original purpose.
Define your purpose and you can define advanced game.
Now relationship game will be a little different since it doesn't have
such a clearly defined endstate and evolves over time so there's room
to advance and innovate since they're more open-ended.
How would you define "Advanced" Game?
1. Cigarettes
2. Custom Suits
3. "Swooping" mad amounts of model girls
4. Bars/Clubs on lock
5. Using "Do you have a light" as a pickup line.
6. Frequenting spots with high drink prices
7. Ocean swims and boxing
1. Cigarettes
2. Custom Suits
3. "Swooping" mad amounts of model girls
4. Bars/Clubs on lock
5. Using "Do you have a light" as a pickup line.
6. Frequenting spots with high drink prices
7. Ocean swims and boxing
8. Enjoying the company of Latvian supermodels while drinking a Manhattan
Are we confusing muscularity with masculinity?
Plenty of muscular guys that lack values, ethics and social abilities, and therefore, success.
Not to be confused with any kind of game, let alone advanced.
Bros and douchebags represent this as do thugs.
That game doesn't appear sustainable and able to weather the test of time that usually weeks havoc on these personalities.
Safe to say they don't "advance" much.
Fitness is great but not sure I consider it such the overarching component of game a lot of people make it seem.
Plenty of muscular guys that lack values, ethics and social abilities, and therefore, success.
Not to be confused with any kind of game, let alone advanced.
Bros and douchebags represent this as do thugs.
That game doesn't appear sustainable and able to weather the test of time that usually weeks havoc on these personalities.
Safe to say they don't "advance" much.
Fitness is great but not sure I consider it such the overarching component of game a lot of people make it seem.
It's a mathematical formula:
B/A Ratio. (Bangs/Approaches)
The higher the number, the greater the player.
B/A Ratio. (Bangs/Approaches)
The higher the number, the greater the player.
Quote: (05-19-2015 08:19 PM)Kaizen Wrote:
It's a mathematical formula:
B/A Ratio. (Bangs/Approaches)
The higher the number, the greater the player.
Kaizen,
I agree but Quality has to be factored in.
As I mentioned before, Game is results driven. Your level of Game is determined by your success with consistently pulling high quality women over a long period of time. It shouldn't be more complicated than this.
Quote: (05-19-2015 06:27 PM)Lizard King Wrote:
Quote: (05-19-2015 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:I don't think you're being flippant, and I don't really feel qualified to make definitions but I can still join in the discussion. The point I'm trying to make is: a lot of guys here spend a lot of time in the gym, and it pays dividends for them with the lizards. It's an aspect of their game. Being extremely masculine attracts the higher tiers of femininity. I think it's an aspect of 'advanced game'.
So what would basic game be?
Be alive? Breathe? Show up?
I'm not trying to be flippant.
Is that how you're defining advanced game?
WIA
I'm not knocking it.
Maximizing your physique, stepping your money game up, style game on point, learning to dance, learning a new language, changing your location - those are turbo boosters to the game.
There are enough hot girls out there that once you have your look right, the amount of mental gymnastics you do decreases significantly.
But it's not the key to EVERY hot girl.
There's no key to EVERY hot girl.
Like the prophet Gio said, "you gotta understand the #'s"
Unless you're making the argument that you have to be the very best version of yourself to see the next level. Gotta grab all the gems and keys on the 1st level to get to the 2nd level.
That's an interesting point.
WIA
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