[droughtmeat]

Yea I agree that it's difficult for foreigners in Germany, mainly if you don't speak the language perfectly. If you have a bit of an accent or your grammar isn't on that 100% Goethe level, you're gonna struggle.
It's not like let's say southern Europe, where people will be impressed if you can have a very basic conversation in their language.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

It is interesting that someone here mentionned how american women are complaining about men in Germany not approaching them. You have to know that even German women are complaining about it but they don't scream it out loud and it is getting worser and worser. As I said before, german women are not bad looking, not the best looking either but they don't make thinks easy for someone outside their world to get in and start something whether serious or not. My impression is that they- usually look blasé, not so interested, they make no effort to build new relations with new people. Even foreign students noticed the samething, and no , german people are far from being direct.
The more I stay here the more I get bored, and it is not only about the lack of smiling or women walking the streets with a poker face. It is about the population getting old, more men than women, and of course the refugee crisis . Speaking about immigration and refugees became part of everyday discussions. some immigrants here are behaving in a very disturbing way but the government prefer helping many of the annoying refugees and making things harder for immigrants who come here to build something.

German men do have game but the society here made it hard for them, with higher expectations from women, Feminism (Germany is not part of the anglosphere but it is also infected by feminism, thanks media and hollywood).The gender roles are in collapse, and many of the girls here like to have the control in a couple, adding to that the lack of communication and the cold temperament, relationships are becoming less and less enjoyable. Now you know why so many germans like traveling abroad.

[Naughty_Boy]

I don't get the whole refugee hate. Surely I am against social welfare against foreigners, terrorism and people being for the Sharia Law but until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

Furthermore refugees don't even come close to some kind of competition to me as their lack of language, style or resources

[CameraXL]

German girls have very high expectations when it comes to your looks, your social circle and your education.

There is a foreigner-bonus if you're from southern Europe or South America (italy, argentina, brazil), because almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.

Younger chicks often fall for arabs and turks, since those guys generally appear way older and act more masculine than germans at a younger age (<25).
Exception: Refugees, who came since 2015: Most of them are poor, don't speak any german and stay within their group. Don't believe the nazi-propaganda: There has always been crime, rape and terror in germany (like everywhere in the world). We just forgot about it. If you want to spread some hate, please go for the politics-forum.

German girls love man buns, long hair and leather jackets - although most of them deny to go for the looks, since its socially unaccepted (they prefer to shame men for beeing visual and superficial). Once they get older (+28), most prefer to settle for the german guy with a good job, family background and good manners. Its like another poster said: Most dream of moving together before they hit 30, getting pregnant, quitting their jobs and raising kids. Can't deny your nature.

A nice car can be a huge bonus in Germany. Most cities have a shitty public transport system (besides major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich) and most germans live in smaller cities/communities - so a car gives freedom. And you can ride it fast.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

naughty_boy I am not speaking about hate but tention. if you live in a small german city , you might understand it better

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.
you just proved that you don't know german women very well

[CameraXL]

(11-29-2017 05:28 PM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.
you just proved that you don't know german women

No need for a online-Schwanzvergleich. I'm german with three german sisters. Two of them are married to guys from southern europe.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

ok maybe because I'm living in the east of Germany and people here have another mentality. In which bundesland are you born CameraXL

[TigerTim]

(11-29-2017 04:55 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

I don't get the whole refugee hate. Surely I am against social welfare against foreigners, terrorism and people being for the Sharia Law but until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

Furthermore refugees don't even come close to some kind of competition to me as their lack of language, style or resources

You still dont get the way women think, do you?

It doesnt matter if those refugees are objetively no competition, in the eyes of women their Value has automativally increased. Imagine 2 years ago going to a club and being in an environment of total 12 guys and 10 girls. Nowadays thanks to the refugee crisis it feels more like 17 guys and 10 girls, and regardless of the talen or knowledge about the local culture from part of those newcomers, the women will get the feeling they are more wanted and more exclusive, as being in higher numerical disadvantage, on return they become even more closed, reserved and harder to approach, the standards might even continue growing. More men, mor options for them.

[TigerTim]

(11-29-2017 05:24 PM)CameraXL Wrote:  

German girls have very high expectations when it comes to your looks, your social circle and your education.

There is a foreigner-bonus if you're from southern Europe or South America (italy, argentina, brazil), because almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.

Younger chicks often fall for arabs and turks, since those guys generally appear way older and act more masculine than germans at a younger age (<25).
Exception: Refugees, who came since 2015: Most of them are poor, don't speak any german and stay within their group. Don't believe the nazi-propaganda: There has always been crime, rape and terror in germany (like everywhere in the world). We just forgot about it. If you want to spread some hate, please go for the politics-forum.

German girls love man buns, long hair and leather jackets - although most of them deny to go for the looks, since its socially unaccepted (they prefer to shame men for beeing visual and superficial). Once they get older (+28), most prefer to settle for the german guy with a good job, family background and good manners. Its like another poster said: Most dream of moving together before they hit 30, getting pregnant, quitting their jobs and raising kids. Can't deny your nature.

A nice car can be a huge bonus in Germany. Most cities have a shitty public transport system (besides major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich) and most germans live in smaller cities/communities - so a car gives freedom. And you can ride it fast.

Are you being serious? I have been to most of Europe and I would only class the Netherlands being above Germany in terms of public transportation and train interconnectivity. I dont know what will be your impresion of countries like the US, or even the UK then... GErmany is extremely well connected.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

it is not only about the sex ratio, also men with southern looks will get a bad reputation because some of the refugees can be sometimes aggressiv

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

(11-29-2017 06:49 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 05:24 PM)CameraXL Wrote:  

German girls have very high expectations when it comes to your looks, your social circle and your education.

There is a foreigner-bonus if you're from southern Europe or South America (italy, argentina, brazil), because almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.

Younger chicks often fall for arabs and turks, since those guys generally appear way older and act more masculine than germans at a younger age (<25).
Exception: Refugees, who came since 2015: Most of them are poor, don't speak any german and stay within their group. Don't believe the nazi-propaganda: There has always been crime, rape and terror in germany (like everywhere in the world). We just forgot about it. If you want to spread some hate, please go for the politics-forum.

German girls love man buns, long hair and leather jackets - although most of them deny to go for the looks, since its socially unaccepted (they prefer to shame men for beeing visual and superficial). Once they get older (+28), most prefer to settle for the german guy with a good job, family background and good manners. Its like another poster said: Most dream of moving together before they hit 30, getting pregnant, quitting their jobs and raising kids. Can't deny your nature.

A nice car can be a huge bonus in Germany. Most cities have a shitty public transport system (besides major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich) and most germans live in smaller cities/communities - so a car gives freedom. And you can ride it fast.

Are you being serious? I have been to most of Europe and I would only class the Netherlands being above Germany in terms of public transportation and train interconnectivity. I dont know what will be your impresion of countries like the US, or even the UK then... GErmany is extremely well connected.

Strange, I was also going to comment on that, maybe because he never traveled outside Germany to the south or east of Europe, or even worser to a third world country

[oceanic]

(11-29-2017 04:55 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

so how come the increase in terror attacks, rapes, murders, and that christmas markets now have to be protected by police with machine guns?

Not to mention the billions of euros of tax money spent on financing illegal immigration. But no, it`s all a conincidence, and has of course nothing to do with millions of illegal aliens in our country.

[oceanic]

(11-29-2017 05:24 PM)CameraXL Wrote:  

Refugees, who came since 2015: Most of them are poor, don't speak any german and stay within their group. Don't believe the nazi-propaganda: There has always been crime, rape and terror in germany (like everywhere in the world). We just forgot about it. If you want to spread some hate, please go for the politics-forum.

So since when do we need the "merkel-legos" to protect christmas markets?

And who do they have to be protected from? And why aren`t there such measures in poland?

Oh, wait, sorry for the nazi-propaganda.

[kirdiesel]

(11-29-2017 01:10 PM)RogerThat Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 06:17 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

In Poland I got eyefucked on the street on a daily basis, in Germany once per 6 months

I should of stayed in NYC because it was very easy to see which Euro girl was looking for dick. I assumed this would be the case here in Germany and so far, I've had the exact opposite experience. Looks like the Euro girls in NYC are on "holiday mode."

(11-29-2017 09:57 AM)TigerTim Wrote:  

You are probably putting them on a pedestal, like 99% of Americans I have witnessed hunting abroad. It is hard to come from Hell on earth to greener pastures, even if Germany is far from heaven...

My experience so far has only been in Frankfurt so it may be an isolated case. But it makes sense that this city has good looking girls: Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany > Rich guys marry hot chicks > Hot chick give birth to hot chicks. Also, Frankfurt is extremely walkable. At most, all you need is a bike and a car is a liability here. I see so many hot university girls riding bikes - this is social suicide in the US. This means the vast majority of girls here are fit. I don't come across many fatties like back home. Again, this may just be Frankfurt and smaller towns may be different. I don't know. But check out Sourcecode's post on Page 2 of this thread:

"Yea Im in Germany right now. Hamburg
Model type are Def not rare.

maybe it is a class thing. Hamburg is a pretty big city.

I havnt been everywhere in germany.But by far Frankfurt had the sexiest girls."

German girls in NYC are NOT and I repeat NOT in the same mentality as the German girls in Germany. This is this type of thinking that got me "stuck" here in the first place. If I knew this years ago I might not have decided to invest in the country.

Ive been to Frankfurt once and there are many cute girls there. I didn't game but def cute girls running around there.

(11-29-2017 01:13 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

German men just don't have standards and their game is meh. Plus German culture isn't very open, dancefloor game is almost non existent, people need alcohol to open up and be a bit more social, but still won't go crazy unless you're in Berlin. The girls don't really know how to dress and at 25 they CLEARLY hit the wall.
Another issue is that girls are so keen on moving in with a guy that they end up settling for whoever they think fitting to live with. German lifestyle seems very linear: go to uni, get a job, move in with your girlfriend, retire, die.

I roll with a German dude who ive seen regularly bed chicks. Hes got game and and is kinda funny but I think his game is NOTHING special. He runs on looks alot and is competent and ive seen alot of German guys who are like this.

Again coming from NYC girls here dress like shit. I think ive had a problem with the way almost every single girl dresses. Everyone is scared to dress up in Cologne because they fear standing out and being judged by their peers. Girls moreso than guys.

Outside of a hip hop party there is barely any dancefloor game. In clubs there is a little bit of dancing. Small amounts of guys run dancefloor game but its mostly just firstly leaning in and saying something to a chick and transitioning from there into dancing.

Another BIG problem here is that the culture stifles innovation. From getting an apartment, to getting a car loan and everything in between. It even fucks with your game to an extent is when you tell people you are self-employed. Everyone assumes you are broke and don't earn any money.

Once again if you stand out they try to "hammer" you back into getting back in line. Thats one reason German culture is so linear.

Many people are scared to death of being different.

(11-29-2017 02:12 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

If Germans would have no game then every foreigner would have an easy job cleaning up. I never ever met a foreigner cleaning up here with the "mainstream" Pickup nor with niche. And I am in this since 9 years, seeing the constant decline

- All Latin guys try it here with Salsa/Bachata niche
- Poles only come here for work and drive back every weekend to Poland to their women

Turks, blacks, Arabs, Russians and Asians which were even born in Germany stick in 90% to their own

German girls (in Germany!) are is like this compared to the US:

Deduct the fattiness factor
Deduct the sluttiness factor
Add having prejudices against every foreigner
Add never drinking too much
Add being boring
Add being socially cold and being suspicious to every cold approach
Add social circle importance
Add having incredible expectations due tons of good looking, tall thirsty guys on Tinder (and yes, those male Hotties don't need game)

Surely German women don't act like a total bitch if you approach them and they may even give you their number, but still they make you work hard for it

But it doesn't make sense to cry about it. Find your niche or just make your money and move

This is pretty accurate. I have not met a foreigner who kills it with German women. I know one guy who does well and hes plays football (NFL). But most of the time native Germans like everywhere else get the best girls and keep them.

German girls IN GERMANY wlll ALWAYS prefer a German man over you. They are programmed that way and thats the end of it. Foreign bonus is still there but at the end of the day it isnt enough to overcome the extremely strong programming that is here.

(11-29-2017 04:55 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

I don't get the whole refugee hate. Surely I am against social welfare against foreigners, terrorism and people being for the Sharia Law but until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

Furthermore refugees don't even come close to some kind of competition to me as their lack of language, style or resources

Nothing has changed for me either. I mean there has been absolutely ZERO effect.

Those guys aren't able to get into most clubs or bars here anyway. Doormen are some of the most racist I have ever seen in my life here.

(11-29-2017 05:24 PM)CameraXL Wrote:  

German girls have very high expectations when it comes to your looks, your social circle and your education.

There is a foreigner-bonus if you're from southern Europe or South America (italy, argentina, brazil), because almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.

Younger chicks often fall for arabs and turks, since those guys generally appear way older and act more masculine than germans at a younger age (<25).
Exception: Refugees, who came since 2015: Most of them are poor, don't speak any german and stay within their group. Don't believe the nazi-propaganda: There has always been crime, rape and terror in germany (like everywhere in the world). We just forgot about it. If you want to spread some hate, please go for the politics-forum.

German girls love man buns, long hair and leather jackets - although most of them deny to go for the looks, since its socially unaccepted (they prefer to shame men for beeing visual and superficial). Once they get older (+28), most prefer to settle for the german guy with a good job, family background and good manners. Its like another poster said: Most dream of moving together before they hit 30, getting pregnant, quitting their jobs and raising kids. Can't deny your nature.

A nice car can be a huge bonus in Germany. Most cities have a shitty public transport system (besides major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich) and most germans live in smaller cities/communities - so a car gives freedom. And you can ride it fast.

I haven't seen the southern European bonus but again I don't think I roll where those guys are.

German girls are VERY superficial and looks, stability and wealth are super important here which is why people stay going back to University here.

I would say a car here is helpful and a nice boost to your game but not 100% needed. I would say if you can get one go for it. Better to have one than not. Since many hot girls live in surrounding villages with bad public transport it will give you access to those chicks via Tinder and what not.

(11-29-2017 06:45 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 04:55 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

I don't get the whole refugee hate. Surely I am against social welfare against foreigners, terrorism and people being for the Sharia Law but until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

Furthermore refugees don't even come close to some kind of competition to me as their lack of language, style or resources

You still dont get the way women think, do you?

It doesnt matter if those refugees are objetively no competition, in the eyes of women their Value has automativally increased. Imagine 2 years ago going to a club and being in an environment of total 12 guys and 10 girls. Nowadays thanks to the refugee crisis it feels more like 17 guys and 10 girls, and regardless of the talen or knowledge about the local culture from part of those newcomers, the women will get the feeling they are more wanted and more exclusive, as being in higher numerical disadvantage, on return they become even more closed, reserved and harder to approach, the standards might even continue growing. More men, mor options for them.

I can only speak for Cologne but ratio is RARELY an issue here. I am not sure what you are talking about but those refugees, ghetto turks or foreigner types cant even get inside the clubs. Where the hell are you going out?

I even get flack from girls and doormen until I show my passport or start speaking English which is why its never recommended to open girls in German unless you look white.

[Naughty_Boy]

Once again I totally agree to Kirdiesel, he experiences the same as a black american and me as being born in Germany.

German girls, even if they are a 5 or 6 very very often look for a relationship due to social programming and always have the urge to date up. Moreover girls wont dress sexy/feminine because as being said they will be judged quickly as a slut ("billig, schlampig"). When I went to Wroclaw this year I was shocked seeing so many hot girls wearing sexy dresses at night or a skirt during the day. I was bedding a Hungarian chick in Hamburg and told her to visit me in a skirt and high heels because I find it sexy. She did this only once, because everyone was staring at her in the public transport like she was a hooker. A friend of mine invited his girls he meet in the Baltics or Ukraine to visit him in Hamburg. Each one of those chicks complained that the international fashion stores (like Mango, H&M, Zara) had in Germany no feminine cloths in their assortment.

I saw some Latinos do okay (that means laying 6s and 7s) in Germany, but these guys were above average in looks and got everything from social circle due to Uni. The most attractive chicks they laid were also Latinas. The majority of typical Latin guys here (which are often way shorter, skinnier than the germans) are so desperate that they hit the Salsa/Bachata Clubs 7 days a week since this is their only way to get 6s. From normal cold approach game they get literally the worst war pigs

What is definetly a plus is having a nice car and your own apartment with perfect logistics. The car gives access to the more grounded and normal chicks in the smaller cities and villages + is a DHV in the bigger cities.
The perfect logistics will have the best effect on your game, if you push them into a ONS or first date lays. This is simply because the girl wont expect this quick lay/escalation and you will bed her before her logic ("Is he really BF Material?") and social pressure conditioning (like being juged by her friends) will kick in. Afterwards the dynamic changes and her social pressure for being juged as a slut because she slept so quickly with you, will work in your favour. This is key!

As again on the refugee theme:
Absolutely zero effect on my live in Hamburg (and Hamburg has more refugees than most east german cities I guess). I don't give a shit the government spending billions on them when it doesn't take the money from me as a taxpayer, and this disn't happen until now. I never ever see refugees in Bars or Clubs. The German bouncers would never let these guys inside and they don't have the money to go to bar for drinking. Also during the day I saw them rarely approach and if so, it was so poor that it lead to nothing (like asking for lighting a cigarette). 90 % of the those guys are the bottom of the barrel to 90% of the German girls because they are behind almost ever y aspect compared to germans.
Surely islamic terrorist attacks are not nice. But those happened in the UK and Spain even years before the refugee crisis. Germany had just luck that it was spared by them in the past. Islamic Terrorist attacks are becoming a global issue everywhere in the world, that is just a sad trend. Even now they occur in the UK although they didnt take as many refugees as Germany. And I am far away from being a Gutmensch leftist, just observing the current trend and it's effects on my life until now

[TigerTim]

(11-29-2017 08:46 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 01:10 PM)RogerThat Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 06:17 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

In Poland I got eyefucked on the street on a daily basis, in Germany once per 6 months

I should of stayed in NYC because it was very easy to see which Euro girl was looking for dick. I assumed this would be the case here in Germany and so far, I've had the exact opposite experience. Looks like the Euro girls in NYC are on "holiday mode."

(11-29-2017 09:57 AM)TigerTim Wrote:  

You are probably putting them on a pedestal, like 99% of Americans I have witnessed hunting abroad. It is hard to come from Hell on earth to greener pastures, even if Germany is far from heaven...

My experience so far has only been in Frankfurt so it may be an isolated case. But it makes sense that this city has good looking girls: Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany > Rich guys marry hot chicks > Hot chick give birth to hot chicks. Also, Frankfurt is extremely walkable. At most, all you need is a bike and a car is a liability here. I see so many hot university girls riding bikes - this is social suicide in the US. This means the vast majority of girls here are fit. I don't come across many fatties like back home. Again, this may just be Frankfurt and smaller towns may be different. I don't know. But check out Sourcecode's post on Page 2 of this thread:

"Yea Im in Germany right now. Hamburg
Model type are Def not rare.

maybe it is a class thing. Hamburg is a pretty big city.

I havnt been everywhere in germany.But by far Frankfurt had the sexiest girls."

German girls in NYC are NOT and I repeat NOT in the same mentality as the German girls in Germany. This is this type of thinking that got me "stuck" here in the first place. If I knew this years ago I might not have decided to invest in the country.

Ive been to Frankfurt once and there are many cute girls there. I didn't game but def cute girls running around there.

(11-29-2017 01:13 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

German men just don't have standards and their game is meh. Plus German culture isn't very open, dancefloor game is almost non existent, people need alcohol to open up and be a bit more social, but still won't go crazy unless you're in Berlin. The girls don't really know how to dress and at 25 they CLEARLY hit the wall.
Another issue is that girls are so keen on moving in with a guy that they end up settling for whoever they think fitting to live with. German lifestyle seems very linear: go to uni, get a job, move in with your girlfriend, retire, die.

I roll with a German dude who ive seen regularly bed chicks. Hes got game and and is kinda funny but I think his game is NOTHING special. He runs on looks alot and is competent and ive seen alot of German guys who are like this.

Again coming from NYC girls here dress like shit. I think ive had a problem with the way almost every single girl dresses. Everyone is scared to dress up in Cologne because they fear standing out and being judged by their peers. Girls moreso than guys.

Outside of a hip hop party there is barely any dancefloor game. In clubs there is a little bit of dancing. Small amounts of guys run dancefloor game but its mostly just firstly leaning in and saying something to a chick and transitioning from there into dancing.

Another BIG problem here is that the culture stifles innovation. From getting an apartment, to getting a car loan and everything in between. It even fucks with your game to an extent is when you tell people you are self-employed. Everyone assumes you are broke and don't earn any money.

Once again if you stand out they try to "hammer" you back into getting back in line. Thats one reason German culture is so linear.

Many people are scared to death of being different.

(11-29-2017 02:12 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

If Germans would have no game then every foreigner would have an easy job cleaning up. I never ever met a foreigner cleaning up here with the "mainstream" Pickup nor with niche. And I am in this since 9 years, seeing the constant decline

- All Latin guys try it here with Salsa/Bachata niche
- Poles only come here for work and drive back every weekend to Poland to their women

Turks, blacks, Arabs, Russians and Asians which were even born in Germany stick in 90% to their own

German girls (in Germany!) are is like this compared to the US:

Deduct the fattiness factor
Deduct the sluttiness factor
Add having prejudices against every foreigner
Add never drinking too much
Add being boring
Add being socially cold and being suspicious to every cold approach
Add social circle importance
Add having incredible expectations due tons of good looking, tall thirsty guys on Tinder (and yes, those male Hotties don't need game)

Surely German women don't act like a total bitch if you approach them and they may even give you their number, but still they make you work hard for it

But it doesn't make sense to cry about it. Find your niche or just make your money and move

This is pretty accurate. I have not met a foreigner who kills it with German women. I know one guy who does well and hes plays football (NFL). But most of the time native Germans like everywhere else get the best girls and keep them.

German girls IN GERMANY wlll ALWAYS prefer a German man over you. They are programmed that way and thats the end of it. Foreign bonus is still there but at the end of the day it isnt enough to overcome the extremely strong programming that is here.

(11-29-2017 04:55 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

I don't get the whole refugee hate. Surely I am against social welfare against foreigners, terrorism and people being for the Sharia Law but until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

Furthermore refugees don't even come close to some kind of competition to me as their lack of language, style or resources

Nothing has changed for me either. I mean there has been absolutely ZERO effect.

Those guys aren't able to get into most clubs or bars here anyway. Doormen are some of the most racist I have ever seen in my life here.

(11-29-2017 05:24 PM)CameraXL Wrote:  

German girls have very high expectations when it comes to your looks, your social circle and your education.

There is a foreigner-bonus if you're from southern Europe or South America (italy, argentina, brazil), because almost every german girl craves for the latin-lover-type-of-guy, since they imagine them to be the opposite of the typical, boring german soccer-dude.

Younger chicks often fall for arabs and turks, since those guys generally appear way older and act more masculine than germans at a younger age (<25).
Exception: Refugees, who came since 2015: Most of them are poor, don't speak any german and stay within their group. Don't believe the nazi-propaganda: There has always been crime, rape and terror in germany (like everywhere in the world). We just forgot about it. If you want to spread some hate, please go for the politics-forum.

German girls love man buns, long hair and leather jackets - although most of them deny to go for the looks, since its socially unaccepted (they prefer to shame men for beeing visual and superficial). Once they get older (+28), most prefer to settle for the german guy with a good job, family background and good manners. Its like another poster said: Most dream of moving together before they hit 30, getting pregnant, quitting their jobs and raising kids. Can't deny your nature.

A nice car can be a huge bonus in Germany. Most cities have a shitty public transport system (besides major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich) and most germans live in smaller cities/communities - so a car gives freedom. And you can ride it fast.

I haven't seen the southern European bonus but again I don't think I roll where those guys are.

German girls are VERY superficial and looks, stability and wealth are super important here which is why people stay going back to University here.

I would say a car here is helpful and a nice boost to your game but not 100% needed. I would say if you can get one go for it. Better to have one than not. Since many hot girls live in surrounding villages with bad public transport it will give you access to those chicks via Tinder and what not.

(11-29-2017 06:45 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 04:55 PM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

I don't get the whole refugee hate. Surely I am against social welfare against foreigners, terrorism and people being for the Sharia Law but until now almost nothing changed for me since refugees arrived. Neither security or taxwise

Furthermore refugees don't even come close to some kind of competition to me as their lack of language, style or resources

You still dont get the way women think, do you?

It doesnt matter if those refugees are objetively no competition, in the eyes of women their Value has automativally increased. Imagine 2 years ago going to a club and being in an environment of total 12 guys and 10 girls. Nowadays thanks to the refugee crisis it feels more like 17 guys and 10 girls, and regardless of the talen or knowledge about the local culture from part of those newcomers, the women will get the feeling they are more wanted and more exclusive, as being in higher numerical disadvantage, on return they become even more closed, reserved and harder to approach, the standards might even continue growing. More men, mor options for them.

I can only speak for Cologne but ratio is RARELY an issue here. I am not sure what you are talking about but those refugees, ghetto turks or foreigner types cant even get inside the clubs. Where the hell are you going out?

I even get flack from girls and doormen until I show my passport or start speaking English which is why its never recommended to open girls in German unless you look white.

I am in a town in the North of Germany and there is many africans hanging around in the University Campus, they arent even students to begin with, and well yeh, guess... they are like 95% males. I see getho Turks here getting in clubs all the time, unless its an exclusive Club where you have to come dressed up, then it is usually 90%+ ethnic germans. Even ethnic germans of lower social class are discriminated there, you need to be a proper german with some decent social status and belong to some university environment, if you are outside those circles good luck joining there. As you have told doormen are not only extremely racist but also classist.

And you might right, the effect might be not there yet, but in a few years more it will be, I dont think most of those guys are going back home, and neither you have a magic stick to make appear out of the blue 1 million of young girls in order to satisfy their needs..

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

Naughty, Hamburg is considered the city of singles,and I've noticed that this is common in all Germany. I can't see German women having an urge to date up but I am sure most of them want. As I said before, they don't act in a way that gives you the motivation to approach them and when you see most of the couples composed of girls that are 5 or 6 dating guys that are 7 or 8, and when you read the spotted messages, you understand that german girls can be really shallow when it comes to looks. many times I read messages like, I am looking for a man that is at least 185cm.

[TigerTim]

(11-30-2017 05:46 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

Naughty, Hamburg is considered the city of singles,and I've noticed that this is common in all Germany. I can't see German women having an urge to date up but I am sure most of them want. As I said before, they don't act in a way that gives you the motivation to approach them and when you see most of the couples composed of girls that are 5 or 6 dating guys that are 7 or 8, and when you read the spotted messages, you understand that german girls can be really shallow when it comes to looks. many times I read messages like, I am looking for a man that is at least 185cm.

it is true, but doesnt it make sense that a girl who is herself 175-183 cm/5'9-6'0 (very common height for young german women) wants a man who is at least 185 cm?

On the other hand I have seen more couples of the same height, and even women being taller than men, here in germany than anywhere else.

[Naughty_Boy]

TigerTim, ok your situation the sounds awful. Are you in Lübeck or maybe Kiel? Surely I don't know what's gonna happen in the next year's but since the girls that date me, are the kind which don't consider Südländer or Refugees as attractive or a partner a am quite okay with it now

I have seen in Poland more couples of same height or the girl higher than the guy. Here it is really an exeption. 95% of the German girls I slept with I was always at least a bit taller.

And of course it makes sense to the tall girls to have a taller guy but even the small ones have an attitude that their boy needs to be tall

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

Naughty, Hamburg is considered the city of singles,and I've noticed that this is common in all Germany. I can't see German women having an urge to date up but I am sure most of them want. As I said before, they don't act in a way that gives you the motivation to approach them and when you see most of the couples composed of girls that are 5 or 6 dating guys that are 7 or 8, and when you read the spotted messages, you understand that german girls can be really shallow when it comes to looks. many times I read messages like, I am looking for a man that is at least 185cm.

[droughtmeat]

Great posts in this thread!
I agree with the notion that Germans try not to get "out of line" and this stifles most "romantic" male female interaction. At some clubs the vibe is so strange that even approaching a girl is somewhat out of line in the sense that by approaching a girl you will draw a lot of attention, because it doesnt seem like the "appropriate" thing to do and seems like unusual behavior. And then of course dancing physically and making out are BIG things.

In Southern Europe it's not unusual to see a fat girl dancing with a good looking guy or a fat nerdy guy dancing with a good looking girl and them just having their 5 minutes, maybe giving each other a hug afterwards and then going back to their friends and enjoying the rest of the night, because that dance was meaningless, they were just happy to have found a partner for a few minutes. In Germany that would be unthinkable from what I've seen.

The reason I say German guys generally have bad game is because I feel as though those strict behaviors they learn at home limit them and their development. I notice that when I see them abroad, because they still have the same habits like not approaching or socializing much, not using dancefloor game, not really taking risks etc.

[azulsombra]

(11-29-2017 02:55 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

Yea I agree that it's difficult for foreigners in Germany, mainly if you don't speak the language perfectly. If you have a bit of an accent or your grammar isn't on that 100% Goethe level, you're gonna struggle.
It's not like let's say southern Europe, where people will be impressed if you can have a very basic conversation in their language.

No one is impressed with a basic Spanish speaking foreigner in Spain or a basic French speaking foreigner in France. They tend to expect it.

It may only get you some bonus points with a less useful south euro language like Italian or Portuguese.

[droughtmeat]

(11-30-2017 09:42 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 02:55 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

Yea I agree that it's difficult for foreigners in Germany, mainly if you don't speak the language perfectly. If you have a bit of an accent or your grammar isn't on that 100% Goethe level, you're gonna struggle.
It's not like let's say southern Europe, where people will be impressed if you can have a very basic conversation in their language.

No one is impressed with a basic Spanish speaking foreigner in Spain or a basic French speaking foreigner in France. They tend to expect it.

It may only get you some bonus points with a less useful south euro language like Italian or Portuguese.

Ok I don't really consider France southern Europe since they're kind of all over the place. "Impressed" may have not been the correct word, maybe let's say "appreciative". As you said, in Italy and Portugal some will actually be impressed in Spain they seemed appreciative when I spoke to them, some were "impressed" too. When I was there I was about a B1 speaker. Whereas in Germany, if you're not a C1 it's already kind of frowned upon, unless you're a professional athlete or something. Of course, there are always exceptions.

[Australia Sucks]

I'm still at a loss to why anybody would bother with getman girls in Germany, when Poland is just a short train ride away from Germany.