[BlueMark]

OP here's another factor to consider: How old are your parents going to be when you become a father? Do you want them around to be able to see their grandchildren? They can make your life easier by helping you take care of the kids, too.

[yankeetravels]

I think we're indirectly starting to turn this into the wife hunting thread. There's definitely some subtle shots being thrown from some of you about finding a wife at home in the west versus searching for one abroad. And the ROI that each brings waiting longer. I'm going to state publicly that some of Roosh's topics and articles lately along with the repatriation threads, wife hunting stats, and black pill status of online game and certain country thread attitudes are fairly making dudes question whether prolonging the single life is a good idea. Certainly got my head in circles. While there has been negativity on the single life late and I'm still not saying to prolong it forever, we probably have to remember that some of the dudes still benefiting probably don't post here nearly as often anymore to really balance everything out.

(04-09-2019 09:41 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 09:37 PM)Borges Wrote:  

I don't know, I think she'd have been better off marrying in her 20s, being a stay-at-home mom and actually raising her kids instead of delegating motherhood.

Would she have been poorer? Sure. Does it matter? Unless we're talking about crippling poverty, not that much. In the long term, spending time with your family is more important than owning the latest iPad.

The problem with this is living in the West is so expensive that it requires two incomes for the majority of the population.

It is a problem with the affordability of a single income. But to address the career girl post, I'm not sure if I'd want a girl that works 15 years to be a doctor. Much better than being a pro, stripper, or gold digger for sure, but it doesn't mean the girl is going to make a good wife and mother just because she's making 250k a year. But, I'm someone that has a hard time being bought and am more of a minimalist. I'll just say for the record that the girl I had the best relationship with did a simple mall job and was going back to college in her 20's. But, I still thought she'd make a better wife and mother had I pursued her for that than almost any girl I've met on my side of America. Girls have traits that can't really be taught via career with these things.

(04-10-2019 01:25 AM)AWright Wrote:  

I guess it depends what you want, I'm 28 and my plan for my 30's is to live abroad and bang as many women as I can, living the player lifestyle. I'll settle down in my 40's (maybe). I agree with a lot of the guys here that is is probably difficult to get quality in your 40's in the states but not abroad if you can have a plan on living abroad. I have my plan and it is unfolding and I'll be out of the United States permanently in 4 months.

I don't know how long I'll stay single but I share this sentiment. It sounds like a lot of the guys are discouraging the idea for fair reasons, but I don't really wanna end up like the 9-5 guys that settled into their careers and didn't get a chance to live adventurously and discover new parts of the world.

(04-10-2019 06:15 AM)Borges Wrote:  

I'm "abroad" in South America. I can't remember the last time I saw a married couple with a 15yr+ age difference. It happened relatively often in the past, but those couples are becoming very rare. The latest official stats support my perception - the average age gap for marriages in 2017 was just 2 years.

Of course, I'm talking about locals. It's much worse if you're foreign. Don't get me wrong, being a foreigner is great for banging adventurous girls off Tinder and their night club equivalents, but it actually works against you when it comes to relationships. In particular relationships with quality girls, who mostly meet guys through their social circles. An older foreigner marrying a quality 20-something local girl... I'm not going to say impossible, but believe me, the odds for that are extremely slim. Quality local girls marry quality local guys in their age range, not 40yo gringos. Your best shot in that scenario would be a 30+ yo woman - a single mom or divorcee - who could very well be a great and good looking woman, but probably not what you have in mind when you say "quality".

Unless you are talking about Africa or I suppose Southeast Asia, looking for a wife abroad in your 40s sounds like a terrible plan. Especially if you consider the fact that those 10 years of waiting around mean 10 years of globalisation and Westernisation for whichever country you're planning to do wife hunting in. It's hard now, it will be exponentially harder in 10 years.

I don't think there was ever a strong belief here that foreign guys were landing the absolute highest quality. Hell even in the Philippines, most 50-60 y/o guys I see date the 30+ girls, or at the very least late 20's. What I think you're missing is that these girls are still better options for a lot of these guys than the ones back home. Take my word for it. I sound like I'm really hating on my local girls because I am. There's a lot of piss in this pond. With that said, going to a few countries has opened my eyes in that I probably can't wait forever if I want marriage at all even in the most friendly countries.

(04-10-2019 06:59 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  

OP here's another factor to consider: How old are your parents going to be when you become a father? Do you want them around to be able to see their grandchildren? They can make your life easier by helping you take care of the kids, too.

One big factor here may be if OP has another sibling closer to marriage. For me personally, I have a luxury to wait longer and have my parents off my back since another sibling already fulfilled this for them. It's like if they have one, they at least have the pressure off kind of thing.

[rungoodinc]

I think OP and others are trying to look at everything in a linear, mathematical fashion when life just doesn't play out like that. I thought I was going to get married at 35 or even 40 but here I am engaged before my 31st birthday. Every year of your life you will change and have different ideas of what you want. And everybody is different so there's no one size fits all.

At 25, the most important thing to do is to keep maintaining your finances, health and game so that you will always have options the older you get. And of course, try to enjoy yourself along the way.

[LikesFun]

Going to add something that not many think about, IF you are under the age of 45 go get the HPV vaccine(Gardasil 9). No idea what it costs, google gave me some weird results $200-$500, but trust me, pay whatever it costs to get this shot. Was under the impression it was for teenagers only, but my doctor told me the FDA recently approved it for use up to 45 years of age. The HPV virus can sit dormant in your body forever and you will never know its in your body.

For those who say, na Im good, here how it plays out. One day in your 40's or 50's you will find out you have throat cancer, after your biopsy you find out its HPV based (75% are), then your smart ass Dr will tell you, shame you didn't get the HPV vaccine, it prevents 90% of these types of cancer. D'oh!

[tomzestatlu]

I´m 26 and this is definitely something that I am thinking about too. I have actually made some kind of mind progress and went from extreme to extreme.
Until not so long ago, I have been convinced traditional relationship with one girl is the best choice. I am not saying it isn´t, but life formed me to the point where I am. I had 2 LTR´s in my life and both girl were good to me and behave with intention to make me happy. Maybe they would screw me up in the future, but I have always been the first one.
I agree with Leonard and I really see him as big authority when it comes to life experiences. I have always been politically very traditionally minded and I see a family as an important thing.

Month ago it has been one year since I broke up with my last LTR, which was engaged to. By 24 I was really convinced, that this girl should be mother of my children and I want to marry her. We were also planning children and by this time, she would probably be pregnant. At the moment we were together I had 13-14 notches. I considered this number to be enough. She was top quality. We broke up because of me. I really regret doing things I´ve done, but on the other hand, if I was ready for settling down, I would not do the bad things I´ve done. It was the lesson!

I asked myself:"If it didn´t work out with this girl, that gave me all I ever desired, would it solve something to move into another relationship with another girl, by this period of my life?". That´s when traditionally minded me was replaced be hedonistic idiot like I am now.
I have been struggling with loneliness a lot, especially during this winter, but now I almost don´t feel it. I live only for myself and focus on developing myself. By this time my notch count is nearing 50 and I feel empty in this way. On the other hand, especially thanks to this forum I look on women differently and I don´t know if I will ever be able to fall in love again.

As I look to the future, I think my "glory" years will be 27-31. During this period I definitely want to settle down (but rather later of this period, because I will be 27 soon and feel like banging some more girls). A 25 years old wife sounds good and age difference is totally acceptable. Important aspect for me is to be able to live active life with my children, because the way I´ve been living my life is something I want to teach them (sport, adventure). And I couldn´t do that as 65 years old.

For postponing starting a family we can definitely blame rotten Western civilization. Everybody has too much options, has no roots and state even disadvantages young people willing to start a family. I live in Eastern Europe and sallaries are jokes. It´s very difficult for young man to provide his family with decent lifestyle. The guys who are the same age as me and have children are trashy. There are two reason why they have children and that´s because they don´t have a posibility to choose a woman and they are too dumb to look into the future. Guys who can choose between women and who can see into the future rationally choose to wait to start a family until they establish themself.
I´m not saying it´s okay like this, but that´s how it is. I could start with some conspiracy theories, but this thread isn´t about this.

[Conquistador]

Waiting too long before you get married may result in ending up too jaded and cynical even if you do find the right girl. Also keep in mind that finding a good candidate takes time. I've heard of girls who hide red flags and put up an act for years, only to be total nutters in the end. So even if you decide on marriage at 35, you still have to add in at least two to three years to that. Then consider if she falls through, you have to start all over, and now you're almost forty. So while you shouldn't panic yet, it's not like you have too much time either. In other words start looking for quality right now, even if you're still banging sluts. Nothing says you can't do both, though it's probably hard to do.

[rudebwoy]

Advice for OP

Save your money.

Do not think about marriage until you are 35, but always be on the look out for a potential mate.

Travel as much as you can, this is the best thing i ever did. It made me more realize what i have and don't have.

Smile and enjoy the journey, there is no point in being jaded.

[rudebwoy]

(04-10-2019 02:03 PM)LikesFun Wrote:  

Going to add something that not many think about, IF you are under the age of 45 go get the HPV vaccine(Gardasil 9). No idea what it costs, google gave me some weird results $200-$500, but trust me, pay whatever it costs to get this shot. Was under the impression it was for teenagers only, but my doctor told me the FDA recently approved it for use up to 45 years of age. The HPV virus can sit dormant in your body forever and you will never know its in your body.

For those who say, na Im good, here how it plays out. One day in your 40's or 50's you will find out you have throat cancer, after your biopsy you find out its HPV based (75% are), then your smart ass Dr will tell you, shame you didn't get the HPV vaccine, it prevents 90% of these types of cancer. D'oh!

Do you know what they put in Vaccines?

I dont know anyone who has throat cancer, why would you give such terrible advice!

[ManOfTheTimes]

(04-10-2019 06:15 AM)Borges Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 01:25 AM)AWright Wrote:  

I guess it depends what you want, I'm 28 and my plan for my 30's is to live abroad and bang as many women as I can, living the player lifestyle. I'll settle down in my 40's (maybe). I agree with a lot of the guys here that is is probably difficult to get quality in your 40's in the states but not abroad if you can have a plan on living abroad. I have my plan and it is unfolding and I'll be out of the United States permanently in 4 months.

I'm "abroad" in South America. I can't remember the last time I saw a married couple with a 15yr+ age difference. It happened relatively often in the past, but those couples are becoming very rare. The latest official stats support my perception - the average age gap for marriages in 2017 was just 2 years.

Of course, I'm talking about locals. It's much worse if you're foreign. Don't get me wrong, being a foreigner is great for banging adventurous girls off Tinder and their night club equivalents, but it actually works against you when it comes to relationships. In particular relationships with quality girls, who mostly meet guys through their social circles. An older foreigner marrying a quality 20-something local girl... I'm not going to say impossible, but believe me, the odds for that are extremely slim. Quality local girls marry quality local guys in their age range, not 40yo gringos. Your best shot in that scenario would be a 30+ yo woman - a single mom or divorcee - who could very well be a great and good looking woman, but probably not what you have in mind when you say "quality".

Unless you are talking about Africa or I suppose Southeast Asia, looking for a wife abroad in your 40s sounds like a terrible plan. Especially if you consider the fact that those 10 years of waiting around mean 10 years of globalisation and Westernisation for whichever country you're planning to do wife hunting in. It's hard now, it will be exponentially harder in 10 years.

I see many of the couples the evenly matched couples in Poblado that you mentioned. I also see obvious large age gap couples. And the guys doing the large age gap are doing it right in my opinion. Close age gaps may be fine when you and she are young and somewhat neotenous looking but no fucking way does a same age as me (50) woman get my dick hard like a younger woman does. Even past 40, the vast majority of women barely get a rise from me (sexy Latinas excepted). So, from my perspective, the OP has to think long and hard about how important the sacrifice of a family is for him. He will have to give up some or all of the following:
1) young pussy (assuming his wife cares if he has a mistress or two to fulfill this desire)

2) freedom and spontaneity (family does come first after all)

3) true financial independence (I can almost guarantee that a "quality" woman is going to expect that you spend every nickel you make on her and the family)

4) sex (red pill adherents state that most relationships have a true shelf life of 3 years or so). If frequent passionate sex is something important to you and will be throughout your lifetime, monogamous LTRs are a decidedly bad investment.

[AWright]

(04-10-2019 06:15 AM)Borges Wrote:  

I'm "abroad" in South America. I can't remember the last time I saw a married couple with a 15yr+ age difference. It happened relatively often in the past, but those couples are becoming very rare. The latest official stats support my perception - the average age gap for marriages in 2017 was just 2 years.



Unless you are talking about Africa or I suppose Southeast Asia, looking for a wife abroad in your 40s sounds like a terrible plan. Especially if you consider the fact that those 10 years of waiting around mean 10 years of globalisation and Westernisation for whichever country you're planning to do wife hunting in. It's hard now, it will be exponentially harder in 10 years.

I'd be fine marrying a late 20's chick in my 40's. I was in Medellin a few years ago and there were clearly couples with significant age gaps with both foreigner and locals you'd never see in the states. Guys who would have no chance with the quality and age range they were dating in Medellin in the states. Tons of guys on this forum can vouch for dating significantly younger abroad, and you have guys Krauser, average looking guy with great game, spending their 30's banging young women throughout Europe and abroad. Fair point on the Westernization but if that happens I'll adjust but right now it is still possible to date significantly younger abroad than in the West, especially the states.

[benopolis]

I think a lot of this depends on your personal trajectory and where you’re likely to end up in your 30s

Look at your career, the way you spend your days, extrapolate out from that where you’ll be in 5-10 years.

Will your game be better? Your health? Finances? Body? Are you going to be bald?

The reality is that 99% of guys fail. 99% of guys are a shell of their former selves at age 35+. The potential to be a really high SMV male with great game is there, but it’s also really fucking hard to pull off and most don’t/can’t do it.

Ideally fuck around until you feel you’re at/close to your peak SMV for the female age range youd want a serious relationship with. This would have you get the highest quality girl you can

[benopolis]

Also to offer some perspective on wife hunting abroad: even here in Thailand most older guys I see who do this aren’t getting quality girls id want to marry.

They’re getting a girl 15 years younger, sure, but that girl also has alterior motives and likely her youth is her only valuable trait. The best ones are being snatched up by quality locals. I just don’t see this fantasy for a quality marriage worthy young girl actively preferring a guy 15+ years older playing out in real life. Even in SEA.

[CleanSlate]

benopolis, I’m willing to bet that’s the case because these expats don’t take the time to actually learn the language to at least an intermediate level. The best way to LTR quality women in foreign countries is to learn the language.

[benopolis]

(04-10-2019 10:10 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

benopolis, I’m willing to bet that’s the case because these expats don’t take the time to actually learn the language to at least an intermediate level. The best way to LTR quality women in foreign countries is to learn the language.

100%. No understanding of the language or culture, or any attempt to integrate. But then learning an asian language to a level where you can effectively game in it isn’t exactly easy. Spanish might be easier.

There’s a lot to it. Even after you get the girl, a lot of them are extremely family oriented and aren’t going to be happy moving to your country long term, and also having to pick up English. I know a few girls who have done it and it doesn’t seem like a good solution. Some think they want it but don’t fully consider the reality

And then staying in Thailand? If I wanted kids I’d never ever send them to school here. The education system here is complete shit.

Requires a very unique life situation to make it work I think

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-10-2019 02:03 PM)LikesFun Wrote:  

Going to add something that not many think about, IF you are under the age of 45 go get the HPV vaccine(Gardasil 9). No idea what it costs, google gave me some weird results $200-$500, but trust me, pay whatever it costs to get this shot. Was under the impression it was for teenagers only, but my doctor told me the FDA recently approved it for use up to 45 years of age. The HPV virus can sit dormant in your body forever and you will never know its in your body.

For those who say, na Im good, here how it plays out. One day in your 40's or 50's you will find out you have throat cancer, after your biopsy you find out its HPV based (75% are), then your smart ass Dr will tell you, shame you didn't get the HPV vaccine, it prevents 90% of these types of cancer. D'oh!

Hmm. I'm no scientist but...

Quote:

Human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccines are vaccines that prevent infection by certain types of human papillomavirus.[1] Available vaccines protect against either two, four, or nine types of HPV.[1][2] All vaccines protect against at least HPV type 16 and 18 that cause the greatest risk of cervical cancer.[1] It is estimated that they may prevent 70% of cervical cancer, 80% of anal cancer, 60% of vaginal cancer, 40% of vulvar cancer, and possibly some mouth cancer.[3][4][5] They additionally prevent some genital warts with the vaccines against 4 and 9 HPV types providing greater protection.[1]

I wonder what the stats look like if you break it down for straight, hetero males on one side and woman/faggots on the other?

Suffice to say that if you're a man and you're not sucking dick or taking it in the ass then maybe you don't have as much to worry about.

[the.king]

We often try to find the 'correct' answer in life but I think the truth is whatever way you decide, you will regret it (sort of). Grass is always greener on the other side kind of thing.

To stop myself from going crazy, I decided most decisions I take in life should not be regretted, because I always take what looks like the best decision using the information available at the time.

I am 31 today. I live in Europe. Had a few serious LTRs, and certainly had opportunities to get married which I didn't take. Honestly I agree that every serious LTR you have takes a tall on you. However I can also tell you that having multiple LTRs helps you understand that women who you valued and thought they are special and what not, turns out they ain't shit.

Looking back, if I had the chance to marry when I was 25 would I do it today? FUCK NO!!

Getting married at 25 was a good idea for previous generations because men would finish school around 18 and then went on to become plumbers or what have you (no years spent on university degrees, master degrees, phd, professional qualifications.....), then casually proceeded to own their own house at 25 with a virgin 21 yo wife who didn't had to work, AND they had money left to support 4 children. Where I live if you become a plumber at 18 then around age 25 maybe (just maybe) you will have enough money to rent a studio apartment, outside of the city center.

You need money to start a family.Personally I refuse to be a 9-5 wage-cuck in today's corporate world forever. Its just a sick joke.

To make money you need to dedicate years, and take risks. You cannot afford these things if you are married at 25.

I want to have my own business, then start thinking about children. I have friends who got married at my age or younger, who now have children. They are not happy and they have serious financial difficulties. Its just a bad deal for these lads.

[Lime]

^Leonard, these diseases are not gay specific, as many straight guys like to believe. You can get throat cancer from eating pussy they say. Of course this applies to women with a high notch count.

[Dulceácido]

(04-11-2019 06:02 AM)Lime Wrote:  

^Leonard, these diseases are not gay specific, as many straight guys like to believe. You can get throat cancer from eating pussy they say. Of course this applies to women with a high notch count.

Yes, to the pussy eating part, that is the heterosexual male major risk. The throat cancer can be deadly. The other threat is just having genital warts and, of course, your ability to infect your sexual partners (so, say your wife) with a disease that causes cervical and vulvar cancer, both of which can be lethal.

No, to the second part about the high notch count. A girl could have had only one partner and the very first guy she had sex with infected her with HPV. But, obviously, the higher the notch count, it becomes an almost statistical certainty she will be infected if she never got the vaccine before becoming sexually active.

[Hypno]

If you wait till 40 to get married you have a much greater chance of success with your marriage. No point getting married earlier to just get divorced.

My dad was 45 when I was born. He went to every single game and school event I was in. Coached one of my sports teams. All that matters more than being physically active or whatever.

Friend of mine married a 29 year old when he was 45. First marriage for both. Power dynamic in his relationship is very different than average. He is much more likely to be successful in the long run

[LikesFun]

(04-10-2019 05:13 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I dont know anyone who has throat cancer, why would you give such terrible advice!

So much stupid right there, just because you don't know anyone who has throat cancer must mean it doesn't exist or isn't a problem right?
The title of this thread is "Older players (Mid 30s & 40+), Advice for 25yo" OP asked, and that is my advice, why would you say its terrible advice when you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

(04-11-2019 04:14 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I wonder what the stats look like if you break it down for straight, hetero males on one side and woman/faggots on the other?

Suffice to say that if you're a man and you're not sucking dick or taking it in the ass then maybe you don't have as much to worry about.

So far in my journey, I have yet to meet a gay person who has throat cancer, not a scientific sample size for sure, but from what I have learned its pretty much a straight, hetero male thing.

As I said before, OP asked the question, and I gave an answer that I felt would help. Some can blow it off and pretend they know better, thats totally fine, its their choice. Maybe if I put it another way, it will be more impactful/helpful, so lets try it this way. I am 100% straight male, in my 40's, never sucked a dick or even thought about sucking another man's dick, have never touched another man's dick or had a dick in my ass, hope this covers all the possible gay angles. I have however banged a lot of women in my days, no idea how many, but a lot.

I was recently diagnosed with HPV 16 related throat cancer (Squamous cell carcinoma), have never used tobacco products (smoking or chew). I am no expert on this subject, however I am a very diligent fast learner, even more so now that my life depends on it. I am not in triathlon type shape, but in very good shape, eat right, take great care of myself, still have all my hair, have more money than I can ever spend in my lifetime, two great sons, and overall have had a blessed life.

I wish someone told me back in the day, hey spend a couple hundred bucks and get this shot, it will pretty much guarantee you wont get this type of cancer later in life. What that advice worth?
For some I guess its worth nothing more than ridicule and that's fine, its the internet after all, however if one person takes my advice, gets the vaccine, then I have done my part to pay it forward to the younger guys out there. Knowing what I know now, due to the nature of the men this forum attracts (myself included not pointing any fingers), would be willing to say that at a minimum 50% of the men reading this forum have the HPV virus in their body, but bet the number is probably closer to 75%. That does not mean that your guaranteed to get cancer, just saying odds are you have the virus in your body.

Until I got this cancer, I had no idea how prevalent it was or how ubiquitous it was. Now that I am in the club so to speak, have meet several others in the club, pretty much every guy I meet who has this cancer (it never leaves your body btw), they were in their 40's to early 50's. You can get the HPV virus in your body through regular straight sex with a women (penis in vagina) or through oral sex eating pussy. The virus can lay dormant in your body forever and you will never know it, which was my case. If you catch it early, very high success rates of beating it, however if you don't get it early, the success rate drops very quickly. The treatment for this type of cancer is brutally painful. Like most cancers, they cut out the parts affected and put you through chemo, however with this one they also radiate you which is typically not done with other forms of cancer. Typically they do between 30 - 40 radiation sessions, one session per week, the pain comes in that after your first few radiation sessoins, your throat is so raw and swollen that you can't swallow or eat, so on top of the pain, you now get a feeding tube stuck down your throat and all your meals are now in the liquid form.

For those who are still just straight up denialist(not sure that's even a word), here is a video from the Mayo Clinic (experts) that kind of lays it all out, its only 9 min long, do yourself a favor, watch it. The struggle is real bothers, we all got to help each other out along the way.

[Excalibur]

OP since you are asking for advice from older guys you should not be so fixated on your original plan.

There’s a trend among older guys that they wish they had settled down earlier. I tend to agree with them. But your desire to sew your wild oats and create crazy sexual adventures and FOMO is also understandable.

Statistically 40 plus guys will not catch the hottest 25 year olds. Statistically as you age the more likely you are to develop disease and injury regardless of how well you take care of yourself. I know 2 guys got cancer in their late 30s. Both cured but still scary.

All it takes is one sports injury, busted knee, to take you out of commission. Laid out not being able to exercise, get fat and feeling out of the game.

Donald trump is 1/10000. Cool 40-50 year old guy who date hot 28 year old girls is probably 1/500. Yes you meet them and hear of them but still exception not the norm.

You also have a preoccupation with numbers . I am 5’11” and I want 10 more lays. Again understandable being business school grad etc. I am like that too.

It won’t take long to get 10 lays. 2 a year or 5 years max. But don’t be preoccupied with numbers. What’s better? Meeting a Swedish model in Bali and have an amazing 2 week fling or banging 10 local tinder 5’s.

My advice would be structured your outside of work activities where you can meet girls. Locally focus on quality. Hit couple of batches of online matched once in a while to get you D wet. Plan some vacations by yourself or only with guys who can gets you laid. Otherwise focus on your career. With this plan you should get enough sexual experience, 10 lays or whatever within 5 years without compromising your career. When you are 30 focus on starting a family.

[BlackFriar]

I will be 40 this summer. I never was married. I had a fiance a long time ago and a couple of relationships that lasted over a year. I have been in a funk the last 12 years. I am finally coming out of it. I am having some set backs...mainly with attitude, perceptions, keeping up with my physical fitness plans I made. But, I say that even though there are some bumps in the beginning, I feel very confident and alive that 40 is going to be a good year for me. I want to get married and eventually have a kid. But my main goal is to increase my knotch count to get back into the waters. I am signing up for an 8 week improv class too.

[Iconoclast007]

Im 36. Married. 2 kids. 1 in the oven. Im originally from USA but now live in Europe. My wife is beautiful, submissive, feminine a great wife and mother.

My advice to OP is to not to EVER marry in the USA. Its a cess pool. Develop a location independant income and come to Europe, Colombia etc..no amount of money is going to make you happy when your wife takes half your shit, your son is a pussy and ypur daughter is getting gang banged at 13. The USSA is a shithole country from the perspectice of a red pill, masuline man that wants a submissive, feminine wife.

In your 20's you should get some adventures and bucket list items out of the way. You will really refret it if you dont. Snort coke off ass in colombia, backpack through mongolia, sail on a sailboat accross atlantic, whatever ignites your interest.

When you hit 30 start to Spin plates with idea of interveiwing your future wife. Plan on settling down in a country were the women are Feminine.

Look to marry by 35 and have your first kid.

I cant give advice past this age....

[Hypno]

(04-11-2019 06:04 PM)Excalibur Wrote:  

There’s a trend among older guys that they wish they had settled down earlier. I tend to agree with them. But your desire to sew your wild oats and create crazy sexual adventures and FOMO is also understandable.

Statistically 40 plus guys will not catch the hottest 25 year olds. Statistically as you age the more likely you are to develop disease and injury regardless of how well you take care of yourself. I know 2 guys got cancer in their late 30s. Both cured but still scary.

A lot of guys who settled down will tell you the exact opposite. A lot of us wish we never got married.

I pull hotter pussy now than I did in my 20s. I know lots of guys in their 40s who do. None of us are in better shape than we were then, just wiser and more confident.

[AntoniusofEfa]

I wish I were in the position to be able to decide to settle down at 25. Let me explain.

I live in a big city in west Germany. I am 27, and I am supporting myself while going to college. Luckily, i am doing a part time job that is very related to my study course. I figure that by the age of 29 I will be done with my Engineering Bachelors.

Now, I am slow. But I personally have no seen anyone around me who got married early and settled down at 25. A decent salary in my field of Electronics development can pay between 45 to 60K Gross EUR for a beginner. The net is much less than that, about 45 % less. A halfway decent house, big enough for 2 adults and 2 kids is at least 500K EUR. An apartment will run you some 300K EUR if it is not in the migrant ghetto. The down payment to be paid in cash is something like 20% of the purchasing price. All these prices are for old proprieties, not new ones by the way. Which means that you have to be in the position of putting down at the very least 60K to 100K in cash, plus various state taxes.

I have a close friend (guy in his 50's) who admits that he had it much easier when it came to being able to own a property. He also admits that my generation are fucked. The same house he bought back in his day in the poshest bit of south of the UK was about 100K GBP back than. Now it is north of 350K GBP. salaries have not gone up since.

OP: if you can settle down now, just do it. The women you can pick now, are probably a much better choice for a serious relationship than the various whack jobs you will meet in your 30's. However, maybe try to expand your horizons a bit, and get a European women. While my experience is not statistically significant, I can say without any debut, that the most vile and disgusting women I met in my life were American. English came in second.