[Iconoclast007]

Fuck its depressing the financial reality of life for Young folks . I fear its going to get worse soon. Almost makes me think that an endless life of debauchery is advisable until you croak. That said, the feeling of being a father and husband in a tight knit family unit is second to none.

I never went to college. One of the Best decisions I ever made. Life as an entrepreneour is much better than college wage slaver. Not for the feint of heart though.

[Lime]

(04-11-2019 06:51 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 06:02 AM)Lime Wrote:  

^Leonard, these diseases are not gay specific, as many straight guys like to believe. You can get throat cancer from eating pussy they say. Of course this applies to women with a high notch count.

Yes, to the pussy eating part, that is the heterosexual male major risk. The throat cancer can be deadly. The other threat is just having genital warts and, of course, your ability to infect your sexual partners (so, say your wife) with a disease that causes cervical and vulvar cancer, both of which can be lethal.

No, to the second part about the high notch count. A girl could have had only one partner and the very first guy she had sex with infected her with HPV. But, obviously, the higher the notch count, it becomes an almost statistical certainty she will be infected if she never got the vaccine before becoming sexually active.

I read on some Dutch websites that indeed the risk is higher among the gay demographic. Pussy eating is the problem, my uncle taught me this already years ago. I have been very selective about which pussy I eat since, still one infected can be enough. Most often, the virus is destroyed. There are 100 strains, of which only a few cause the cancer. I suppose the risk is smaller if Im careful about which pussies to eat?

[tomzestatlu]

(04-12-2019 08:34 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

I wish I were in the position to be able to decide to settle down at 25. Let me explain.

I live in a big city in west Germany. I am 27, and I am supporting myself while going to college. Luckily, i am doing a part time job that is very related to my study course. I figure that by the age of 29 I will be done with my Engineering Bachelors.

Now, I am slow. But I personally have no seen anyone around me who got married early and settled down at 25. A decent salary in my field of Electronics development can pay between 45 to 60K Gross EUR for a beginner. The net is much less than that, about 45 % less. A halfway decent house, big enough for 2 adults and 2 kids is at least 500K EUR. An apartment will run you some 300K EUR if it is not in the migrant ghetto. The down payment to be paid in cash is something like 20% of the purchasing price. All these prices are for old proprieties, not new ones by the way. Which means that you have to be in the position of putting down at the very least 60K to 100K in cash, plus various state taxes.

I have a close friend (guy in his 50's) who admits that he had it much easier when it came to being able to own a property. He also admits that my generation are fucked. The same house he bought back in his day in the poshest bit of south of the UK was about 100K GBP back than. Now it is north of 350K GBP. salaries have not gone up since.

OP: if you can settle down now, just do it. The women you can pick now, are probably a much better choice for a serious relationship than the various whack jobs you will meet in your 30's. However, maybe try to expand your horizons a bit, and get a European women. While my experience is not statistically significant, I can say without any debut, that the most vile and disgusting women I met in my life were American. English came in second.

Speaking as someone from neighbour country of Germany, the sallary in similar position would be one fifth in comparison to Germany (that´s 80% less), while properties might be just one half and living cost quite similar.
But some might come to me and say I live luxurious life in comparison to black african. I don´t give a damn about them.

[AntoniusofEfa]

^and that is why I will look for a wife elsewhere in Europe. Germany is OK to work, but real estate is just out of reach here. The solution might be a 2 income household, but few women can actually earn a meaningful wage.

[tomzestatlu]

(04-12-2019 11:25 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

^and that is why I will look for a wife elsewhere in Europe. Germany is OK to work, but real estate is just out of reach here. The solution might be a 2 income household, but few women can actually earn a meaningful wage.

I think that this German dream is going to end soon, thanks to liberals. I am not surprised about your decision, maybe the time of building big wall in borderline with Germany is coming soon.

[AntoniusofEfa]

^Who knows. I am not making any long term plans here. Whatever skills I am learning at the moment (Embedded Systems Verification), are very transferable abroad.

I wish that women here were down to marry at the age of 20. You almost never see women wanting to marry at this age in Germany. They all want to go to University, study something which gives them a reason to spend a few years on Campus (mostly not something which will provide them skills for a job) and then find a stable provider guy before they hit 30. Anyone who even is thinking about making family her primary focus in life early in her 20's will be shunned by all of her female friends.

Being a foreigner here it is saddening to see the German society killing itself off, while allowing the migrant hordes to breed uncontrollably, but it is how it is. If I was OP i'd go for an East European women. Some of them have a real thing for Asian, especially among the posh girls.

[Iconoclast007]

Estonians make great wives. But even here things are changing fast. The younger girls in their early 20s here are different than 10 years ago. Its bettee than western Europe but changing fast. Dont go to a big city, the country girls in East Europe are your best bet. The unfkrtunate thing is that if you take a women to the USA, over time thhe culture will ruin her.

Developing a location independanet income/business and accepting the cold hard trutth that the USSA is a shithole. And leaving FOREVOR. Learn a new language, Make a new home. And life and find a wife and raise a family.

Go.east.young man...

[lunchmoney]

(04-08-2019 04:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Things I wish I had done when I was younger:

Spend more time with my family before they get too old.

Hit the gym and take care of my body.

Save money early and build good credit.

Spend less time harping over women and relationships that went nowhere.

Some of the best advice you can find on this forum.

[bgbusiness]

(04-11-2019 10:28 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

A lot of guys who settled down will tell you the exact opposite. A lot of us wish we never got married.

I pull hotter pussy now than I did in my 20s. I know lots of guys in their 40s who do. None of us are in better shape than we were then, just wiser and more confident.

I know right? I am not saying that I pull the hottest chicks, but just gaming a girl who is 18 when you are 25 years old. Just that difference between mental GAP, shit-tests don't even reach my radar. I would have gotten triggered by the things that these girls will say when I was like 21.

Shit-tests feel like normal statements and I go home later or after couple weeks, I am like, "Wait, was that a shit-test? Oh, actually that was her trying to shit-test me that one time..."

My reality is WAY stronger, IDGAF level higher than ever, my cash flow is strong as ever (compared to my high school or college days when I couldn't even go buy Starbucks), I am just more manly and masculine compared to my past. I feel like I know what I want more and who I am now more than ever.

Not sure about settling down right now, I will see how my life is at early 30s..

[bgbusiness]

(04-12-2019 08:34 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

OP: if you can settle down now, just do it. The women you can pick now, are probably a much better choice for a serious relationship than the various whack jobs you will meet in your 30's. However, maybe try to expand your horizons a bit, and get a European women. While my experience is not statistically significant, I can say without any debut, that the most vile and disgusting women I met in my life were American. English came in second.

Yes, exploring Europe is definitely on my bucket list as well as other continents. I am not sure about settling right now, I want to see how my SMV will develop in the near future and decide where I will go from there.

[bgbusiness]

I wasn't necessarily looking for a lot of advice on marriage, but I guess it's one of the most important life decision for man at the current state of societies.

I just want to take this time to thank everyone for their advice, it's really a blessing to have a site like this.
I wasn't expecting this thread to go over 4 pages of comments/replies. Haha.
It's hard to find mentors like you guys and hear from different perspective all over the world.
I really appreciate everyone input whether I agreed or not and I am looking forward to more valuable advices and input.

[Kaizen]

A lot of comments assume one can find wife material at anytime and it's a matter of the man's choice. Of course that's not the case and it's only getting worse.

So OP while I don't think you need to give yourself deadlines for different accomplishments, if you do meet a quality girl on your journey I would think twice about not hanging on to her regardless your age

[a beer is enough]

Around your age OP but going through similar thoughts.

OP, you are a late bloomer and quite frankly, very few can relate. The fact of the matter is if you married right now you will cheat on your wife because you will feel that burn to get your dick wet as much as possible. My advice is to go ahead and get it out of your system despite what any of the guys on here tell you. You will be mentally healthier and happier once you have been through a few women and had your fill, there is just no replacement for it. This is why some guy who peaked early in high school or college can easily get married before 25, he had his fun, now you have to have yours.

If I was you right now, I'd get my priorities down to career/money, health, and the rest of it game. Quality pics on dating apps go a long way to meeting women. Very recently I moved to NYC where I am living in a lower quality apartment with three roommates, this after living in a city where I was living by myself in a nice place. Reason being, NYC is one of those cities where the fun is at.

When you see dudes moving to Asia or some other country for sex, this is why, you have to go through a phase as a guy when you have got it all out of your system. That varies for every guy but you will be so much happier and more fulfilled once you have had your fill. If you do not, you'll be miserable and always obsess over pussy well into an older age. You have to go on your game journey to get it out of your system if you can, go hard.

I'd ignore all advice from Doc, he has been on a holier than thou journey as of late telling the whole forum to get married before 30. Might have respected some of his advice early on but all young guys would do well in ignoring anything he has to say regarding their lives. He is hellbent on forcing men down the marriage path since he burned out of the game, not sure what is going on with him mentally but he does not have any good intentions with his advice.

[Ouroboros]

(04-14-2019 02:47 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Around your age OP but going through similar thoughts.

OP, you are a late bloomer and quite frankly, very few can relate. The fact of the matter is if you married right now you will cheat on your wife because you will feel that burn to get your dick wet as much as possible. My advice is to go ahead and get it out of your system despite what any of the guys on here tell you. You will be mentally healthier and happier once you have been through a few women and had your fill, there is just no replacement for it. This is why some guy who peaked early in high school or college can easily get married before 25, he had his fun, now you have to have yours.

The average number of lifetime sexual partners for an American male is around 7; it might well end up being lower for the younger generation, with its high numbers of semi-autistic internet/weed/video game-addicted incels.

So the OP has an above-average notch count - above most of those guys who 'peaked' earlier on. Now, if you spend all your time on PUA forums where guys you've never met brag about their global conquests a notch count of 10 won't seem like much, but real world surveys paint a very different picture. And these surveys might even feature inflated numbers for heterosexual men, given the male tendency to exaggerate sexual prowess and the fact that these surveys don't usually differentiate between heterosexuals and homosexuals who can easily accrue massive notch counts.

It seems pretty pointless to bang your way through insecurities that are based on a distorted understanding of what is normal and healthy. Moreover, it's naïve to think that you can satiate that thirst at all, that you can hit a particular notch count and from that point on happily regard yourself as a 'Chad'. More likely (as the life experience of so many on here has shown) you'll just get stuck the hedonic treadmill, chasing a feeling of satisfaction that never comes.

[Iconoclast007]

Ouroburos.

You have to watch were you step while reading that post... Lots of bullshit.

Notch counts are a symptom of game develolment. The number is not important, the skills and experiences derived are the point. Ultimately quality is more important than quantity.

Developing game and a red pill life is not for the faint of heart. Being average is for the majority. Being exceptional is what this forum is about.

[the.king]

Another important point - there is an inherent duality in life. Like day and night, masculine and feminine, yin and yang, etc.

On the one hand, men aged 20-35 are absolutely fucked compared to generations before them in terms of real estate costs, employment market, dating market, etc.

On the other hand, men aged 20-35 never had such unparalleled access to information. You can shape the direction of your life in ways that no other man could before us. You have access to forums such as this, bodybuilding resources, audio-books etc. You can setup a business using the telephone in your pocket, and you can hop on a plane to places like Russia or Colombia at a cost of 25% of the monthly salary of the average man.

I suppose it was always meant to be, that nature will find a way to favour the top 1-5% of men and cuck everyone else.

[Ouroboros]

(04-14-2019 04:23 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  

Notch counts are a symptom of game develolment. The number is not important, the skills and experiences derived are the point.

Notch counts can be (and usually are) symptomatic of a lot of things besides game: geoarbitrage, banging fatties, celebrity status, good looks, low standards, etc. Using Tinder is more likely to result in a high notch count than daytime cold approaching, but most would argue that the latter requires and develops your game to a greater extent. So while I agree that developing your game is important, the notch count in isolation is a poor metric to gage your abilities.

But that's a whole different topic. My post was criticising the idea that the OP needs to 'get it out of his system' before he can be satisfied in a relationship because he was a 'late bloomer' compared to his peers, who were supposedly getting laid like mad in high school and college. The problem with this idea is that (a) the stats indicate that he has already banged more women than most of his peers and (b) it's difficult to ever 'get your fill' of bangs.

(04-14-2019 04:23 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  

Ultimately quality is more important than quantity.

I agree.

(04-14-2019 04:23 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  

Developing game and a red pill life is not for the faint of heart. Being average is for the majority. Being exceptional is what this forum is about.

I did not advocate that the OP or anyone else settle for a life of mediocrity. We should all strive to get the most out of our lives as possible.

[SpursFan741]

OP , a lot of answers can be find in this thread: thread-44292.html

[SpursFan741]

As a guy who's in similar age (I'm 26), I don't feel ready to settle down at all. I would focus on making money, learning new skills (learning languages, practice new sports,..), travel, banging around and exploring first. I've seen friends of my age settling down and they are depressed as fuck (due to social conditioning).

Late 20's or early 30's I think I'll be ready to settle down (after I explored Latin america first and bought some real estate first)

[Borges]

(04-14-2019 05:59 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

But that's a whole different topic. My post was criticising the idea that the OP needs to 'get it out of his system' before he can be satisfied in a relationship because he was a 'late bloomer' compared to his peers, who were supposedly getting laid like mad in high school and college. The problem with this idea is that (a) the stats indicate that he has already banged more women than most of his peers and (b) it's difficult to ever 'get your fill' of bangs.

I agree. This is another discussion but it's an important one for late bloomers. I'm not sure why, but I have the feeling if you don't get it out of your system by your early/mid 20s, you never really will get it out. Perhaps what the late bloomer craves isn't just banging the women he didn't get to bang in his youth, but banging them while young, which is a logical impossibility. Late bloomers have to make peace with the fact they will never be fully satisfied. Guys who have a normal dating life during their teens and early adulthood are never as obsessed about collecting bangs as late bloomers are.

[Hypno]

(04-14-2019 01:49 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  

A lot of comments assume one can find wife material at anytime and it's a matter of the man's choice. Of course that's not the case and it's only getting worse.

Well finding a suitable long term mate has never been easy. Half of marriages end in divorce, and half of those that don't are not necessarily successful; still married doesn't mean you are not both miserable.

Still, I think you have a better shot if you are 10-20 years older than your wife. Also a better shot if you marry a woman not from the west. But you have to be red pilled or extraordinarly insightful to even think about that route, and then have the nads to withstand societal pressure to do that. What is getting better is that there are more young women and foreign women interested in doing something like that, and with technology and communiciations these days pulling this off is easier than its ever been. You just have to think for yourself.

Remember that in the West, you are litterally betting half of your stuff plus future income that your marriage will be successful. Its a tremendous incentive to a woman to opt out of a marriage. If you understand this, then the only reason to get married is to have kids. Sex, housekeeping, etc. is much cheaper to outsource. Even being a father alone is not impossible - the famous fictional character Nancy Drew was raised by her father, a lawyer, and her housekeeper after her mother died when she was young.

[a beer is enough]

The "average guy" likely gets married at some point in his 20s or shortly after college, works his 9 to 5, clocks in clocks out, lives for the weekend, drinks beer while watching sports, and sticks to his old group of friends throughout his life without really venturing out much. Forget "hobbies" or taking risks needed in life in order to be successful and make strides to what you want to do, especially moving to a completely different city, state, or even country that you find to be a better fit for you. Reading? Working out? Healthy lifestyle? Forget that shit, get fat and accumulate the diseases as you get old and become a former shell of yourself. All the while getting on a high horse and acting like you are better than everyone because you decided to marry, have kids, get a mortgage, and live the "American Dream" because society told you to do so.

So OP, listen to everyone on this thread, have fun being average as fuck. You already see the responses, attitude, and demeanor in the posts. The bitterness, the genuine hatred towards players, moral self-righteousness, and the pull to get you tied down to a house, wife, and kids. I'll drop the reality and leave it there.

You came to this forum for a reason, because you did not want to be like everyone else. The reason you came here was because you did not want the average life of a wife and kids before 30, house in the suburbs, a mortgage, and dead dreams due to listening to what society wanted you to do instead of doing what you wanted to do.

At one point, every guy had the dreams of being that guy with a nice paying job, resources, cool lifestyle, and a revolving door of women. Well the truth is OP, that dreams requires a shit-ton of fucking work. Lots of guys claim to be scholarly experts on it, very few can actually do it because of the sacrifices and hustle that go into it. What you are seeing on this thread are indirect stories of failure from guys who tried and gave up, now they're telling everyone to have a wife and kid before 30 and almost forcing their beliefs on to others.

The other point, if you truly chase what you desire, be ready to hear it. Keep your goals to yourself, a lot of times they will arouse envy and dislike from other guys who might not have the means to succeed and are now getting on their moral high-ground to make you feel bad for having ambitions.

If you want to fuck a shit-ton of women throughout your life, do it and don't feel a drop of regret over it. Any guy giving you shit for it is sour because he has limited options there and washed out of the game.

If you want to get married to a model, go for it without any remorse.

If you want to LTR without a marriage, go do that.

You know what you want better than anyone else does, be true to that. If your dreams are ambitious though, be ready to hear the critics as you have in this thread.

[Iconoclast007]

To younger guys on the forum. I would direct to the following resources that have helped me tremendously.

For game and women:
(book) The Rational Male.
This should be your bible for women.
(book) the predatory female.

For Business.
(book) Think and Grow Rich
Read amd follow the blueprint exactly
(book) 4 hour work week
Lays the blueprint for location independant income and work life balance.
Dan Pena, lots of content on youtube.

Philosophy:
Jordan Peterson
Jocko Willink
Taleb ( his best work is Antifragile)
Seneca
Ragnar Redbeard (Might is Right)
Jack Donovan (The way of men)

PhyicalFitness:

Every man should lift. Period.

BJJ is a secret weapon

[bgbusiness]

(04-15-2019 04:59 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  

To younger guys on the forum. I would direct to the following resources that have helped me tremendously.

For game and women:
(book) The Rational Male.
This should be your bible for women.
(book) the predatory female.

For Business.
(book) Think and Grow Rich
Read amd follow the blueprint exactly
(book) 4 hour work week
Lays the blueprint for location independant income and work life balance.
Dan Pena, lots of content on youtube.

Philosophy:
Jordan Peterson
Jocko Willink
Taleb ( his best work is Antifragile)
Seneca
Ragnar Redbeard (Might is Right)
Jack Donovan (The way of men)

PhyicalFitness:

Every man should lift. Period.

BJJ is a secret weapon

Reading was always a hobby that I am enjoying. I have read most of your suggestions or at least been exposed to them, but lifting and working out is also on my top priority for next few years.

[AntoniusofEfa]

(04-14-2019 09:15 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:49 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  

A lot of comments assume one can find wife material at anytime and it's a matter of the man's choice. Of course that's not the case and it's only getting worse.

Well finding a suitable long term mate has never been easy. Half of marriages end in divorce, and half of those that don't are not necessarily successful; still married doesn't mean you are not both miserable.

Still, I think you have a better shot if you are 10-20 years older than your wife. Also a better shot if you marry a woman not from the west. But you have to be red pilled or extraordinarly insightful to even think about that route, and then have the nads to withstand societal pressure to do that. What is getting better is that there are more young women and foreign women interested in doing something like that, and with technology and communiciations these days pulling this off is easier than its ever been. You just have to think for yourself.

Remember that in the West, you are litterally betting half of your stuff plus future income that your marriage will be successful. Its a tremendous incentive to a woman to opt out of a marriage. If you understand this, then the only reason to get married is to have kids. Sex, housekeeping, etc. is much cheaper to outsource. Even being a father alone is not impossible - the famous fictional character Nancy Drew was raised by her father, a lawyer, and her housekeeper after her mother died when she was young.

Look closely, and you will notice that in the West, it is the poorest (3rd world migrants and such) that get married and live off the state, or the richest, which use marriage the way the elite used hundreds of years ago: a means to preserve wealth, and create new members for the dynasty.

Since I have not managed to find a suitable women for marriage back in my late teens, the current strategy is to focus on wealth creation and resource gathering, to just be able to live a life that is not about hovering above the poverty line.

I might get a women who is at the end of the CC phase. Someone who understands, that she is at her last few fertile years, and it is now or never. I know someone who did exactly that, without marrying her. He waited until the youngest child turned 5, before actually arranging a marriage.