Oslo Data Sheet
06-04-2018, 08:21 AM
Well, seeing as Oslo is home base for now, and there hasn't been much activity on Scandinavia lately, I thought I'd do a little write up and contribute before I move on to greener pastures. (and how I am looking forward to it).
And before anything else, because it has been such a crazy heat wave these last 4-5 weeks, i have to write about
Oslo park game
General info
In the spring and summer, when the sun is out, Norwegians get crazy. Partly it's the inflow of vitamin D from endless daylight, partly the fact that the mercury finally creeps so far up that you can hang out outdoors the whole day if you want. They know the summer is short and they want to enjoy it.
One of the most Norwegian things to do when the days are this nice, is to go to a park. Alone, in couples, with just a few friends or in large groups, the parks work for everyone. Whether you bring a fancy cloth and have a picnic with wine with a girl, or just a sixpack with some buddies, the entire 17-35 generation will be there. The resulting overload of young people make it, of course, a known daygame setting, and you will not be the only one trying approaches.
On the other hand, people are just generally having a good time, reception is positive because everyone is so happy and on D-vitamin overload, and it's comparatively very cheap game to run for a city like Oslo. A sixpack will set you back 25$.
The best game to play here would be to come with your own drinks, possibly a single-use grill and some food, be ready to share, and generally be "hyggelig" (nice guy game).
Approaching and early game
If you are solo I would concentrate on opening the large sets, of which there are plenty. The best targets are often in those sets, but it will take time to built comfort and value within the set, depending on which kind of group it is. Large sets are usually people who don't know each other so very well (or at least not all others in their set), so you can keep engaging. Working a good set with a normal ratio can easily take an afternoon. The advantage is that these will often venue bounce as a group and you can tag along easily in such cases.
Something that can work well is to bring a prop, like a guitar or an outdoors game like "kubben" (small pieces of wood that you're throwing against each other, two teams) or even something as simple as freebee. Two American guys could do very well throwing an american football back and forth: all Norwegians are a little bit groupies for US culture, so it would be easy to find people to join into the ball game.
Still being solo, you can also try the smaller sets but you will find those more tight-knit and harder to approach. 3- and 4-girl sets will be impossible to approach solo unless you're a master, but a mixed 4-5 set could work if you've got a situational opener and a good excuse to crash their party.
There aren't many single girl sets on weekends or afternoons in the park. The place is basically an open-air picnic party, so not where you would go alone most of the time. During the week though you can probably hit some single- and 2-girl sets who are just reading for uni or sunbathing. During weekdays I would say it's easier to play more direct daygame, girls are more receptive as they would get approached far less. You're catching them a bit unawares, and Norwegian girls like that, when they are going out to drink their bitchguard is much higher.
Generally you will find the approaches easy. No one is rude and even the hottest girls will be polite if rejecting you. If hitting the larger sets I would be surprised if you ever hit a wall, unless it's some kind of office party.
If going solo, my usual line is that I'm waiting for some friends and was just wondering if I could sit with them a while to have someone to talk to while I drink a beer. This might give a slightly lower DHV but it's perfectly plausible and on a mixed set this has never resulted in a freezeout.
Going with a wing or even 3-4 guys will be far easier. If all the guys play tight game, you can do some substantial damage by having a large enough reserve of beer and your own vibe. Bring some music and open largish all-girl sets with a silly frisbee or kubben prop, the bait will be too strong for most Norwegian girls.
If you're going duo, you can probably do the most damage in the larger sets as well. Just use the same "we're waiting for our buddy with the grill" line, as long as you are carrying your own beer people will just wave you in. I want to underline again that the best targets will probably be in these large groups. You can also do some more classic opening of smaller sets, but beware that the two-girlfriends-and-wine-in-the-park-after-work is kind of sacred in the homeland of feminism and a lot of these 2-girl sets may just blow you off unless you have exceptional looks.
Be generally aware also, as has been mentioned elsewhere, that Norwegian guys can be very good looking, athletic, tall, and stylish. Often all four at the same time. Thankfully 90% of them are socially awkward and have been brainwashed to sanctify the female body, so they will never dare to do any approaching and escalating while sober. In those park the alcohol level will increase progressively and start being noticed around 4-5pm already (maybe 3pm on a weekend), so those same beta awkward guys with male-model looks will turn into cavemen with no conversation as the evening goes on. You can look at your competition going from prude to caveman in a few hours, it's kind of ironic. Ahhh, the Norwegian flirting incompetence, I wonder if any non-scandie can understand it. It's like they need alcohol to forget janteloven. But anyways I'm rambling. what I meant to say is that, as the afternoon ends and the evening starts, approaching will get much harder as chicks will have their defences up.
Mid-game
Enough on approaching for now. During your mid-game with a set, you should play nice guys and during the first 1/2 hour, speak a little bit with everyone in the set (unless it's a massive 15+ group). This is considered polite in Norway. Do not spend more time than absolutely necessary on your actual target. Once you have gone around the whole set (and do not hesitate to spend some time building value with the guys), your target will hopefully have given you some IOIs. Any hot girl in a set will resent not being talked to by a new good-looking exotic foreigner, so don't give her the satisfaction of knowing that you opened that set because of her. If you're really talking for a while with a guy or another person on the set watch out for IOIs from her and give her some back if she gives you some, but nothing too much, just by 'coincidence'.
While you're playing mid-game, you should keep an eye on the ball, which is to bounce to a venue for an instadate / instadrink at a local bar or restaurant (see below).
End game, bouncing
Isolating the girl when being solo may be a bit difficult, and you may have to wait for the natural end of park-hangout (everyone runs out of drinks, groups break up, etc.) Would be easier to make it an insta-double date with a wing, isolating two girls together will always feel more secure for them. Even easier would be to go for a drink as a group thing if you're with a group of buddies and have an all-girl set.
The issue on this is logistics: if you've come prepared you may have a bit of stash and/or some drinks that haven't been drunk up. One solution is to have a crib nearby, and especially if you are with some buddies, someone can run and drop it. If you really live nearby and you are solo, you could do the same and get your girl to tag along while you drop your stash (showing her your crib) and before you go on your instadate. Depending on the amount of escalation you have done at the park (short of kissing), isolating her to your crib and kissing her there might be all it takes for a ONS.
If you're several guys sharing a flat (for example on a bang mission with some RVFers), you can definitely bait chicks into having an "after party" at your place when the park action dies down. A lot of these girls will be students who aren't too keen on spending too much going to proper bars, and would jump at the opportunity for some free booze. The advantage with this trick, when it lands, is that you entirely avoid the entire expensive nightgame setting in Oslo and just turn your daygame hangout into a nighttime poosy party, and the girls will get drunk like there is no tomorrow, as they are used to "nars" (after-parties) being at 3-6am and will think it's super early.
If you don't have your crib near one of the best parks, you should just come prepared with a good backpack/equivalent for your stash, or just bring the minimum. It will make bouncing to other venues much easier, but the props are always good to have.
Escalation
I would not escalate very much at the park unless you are getting exceptional IOIs. Discreet kino and flirting of course, but nothing too PDA. Particularly not in a larger set. Remember that Norwegians are not used to much physical contact. Less than other northern Europeans even, and definitely far less than in the States. Definitely respect their personal space for at least the first 15 minutes. If you do the least amount of kino too early, the girl may very well blow you off even if she likes you.
Even without escalation you will definitely get a lot of number- and Facebook-closes, and if your game is tight and you are not solo, chances for an insta-date are good. I knew one guy who consistantly ran straight zero-date bangs from the park straight home, but he was a tall Nigerian with tight game tapping into his niche and who liked girls with slightly more body weight than the ones most of us would salivate over, so I guess in that demographic he was just smashing it.
Language
As with most things in Norway, this is not an issue whatsoever. Everyone (at least in the young generation) is fluent or near-fluent in English. You will have a low exotic factor but approaches will be seamless in English. It also means that you should be prepared to have interesting things to talk about, because the language barrier will be minimal.
The exotic factor is low, probably 1 or 2/10. Maybe higher if you are from California, have looks and are playing around with a football bare chested, but I wouldn't know.
Knowing Norwegian will not get you an easier time. Probably it is comparably better to approach in English, as they will feel a stronger duty to be hospitable and generally include you (the norm is that the whole set will switch to english for you even if you are solo, as long as the conversation is as a group).
The best a little Norwegian will achieve you is a little clown game to make the girls laugh. Higher-level Norwegian may help if you have an accent that the girls think is "cute" (French or Italian is good, Anglo accent is more hit-and-miss, German, slavic and spanish accents are downright counterproductive). i frequently overdo my French accent when approaching. But overall the language advantage here is probably the lowest in the non-english speaking world, so I don't know why anyone would learn it unless you're staying here long term.
Conclusion
Probably you will already have gotten an idea, but park game here has its own social code, which you have to get into. It is a cross between day game, night game and date game. Day-game because it's outside, broad daylight, there are people around, and you need to be sober(ish) when making an approach. During the week you can also have a hit-and-run daygame strategy and make some quick closes. even if that's not where the potential lays.
Date game because as you will have understood this is a type of longer, more time-consuming game. You will need to build rapport not only with your target, but also with her group, and social value is not bought easily (everyone is drinking cheap beer in the park, very little class differences in the country, all of your targets are probably richer than you). In short, you need to be sociable, extrovert, and have good conversation. When you 'isolate' your target (i.e. just talking to her in a corner of the group), you need to treat this as your first date. No eyes wandering around and inattention, otherwise you will miss her attention and she will blow you off super easy. Also male talent in Norway is a serious cockblock because the other guys around will often be taller and have better looks than you. You must absolutely compensate with style and game, so do put some attention in your appearance before you go to the park.
And finally it's also night game because of the amount of alcohol consumed. My warning signs about kino and escalation above will be correct until the critical alcohol point is reached. If your target has reached that point then you need to isolate her asap and go caveman like a local, otherwise she will find someone else that evening.
The group dynamics can also look a lot like night game, particularly after 6pm, the drunker guys are approaching like crazy and bitchguards are up.
As with night game however, know that Norwegian girls are on the whole DTF. There is next to no social taboo towards ONS, on the contrary it is the most normal way that seduction happens. It is also sad for this country, but for other reasons which are irrelevant to you if you are on a banging mission. If she doesn't have a boyfriend, has been drinking some measure of alcohol, and has been hanging out with you for at least 1 hour on her free day, it means that she wants to bang you. The only issue is how to find the way to to spread her legs, not if.
This is not to mean that the lays will be easy. Norwegian girls do not respond to a lot of game that is working in other countries. Americans should especially watch out and tune down the most overbearing/loud behaviour, which in these parts will quickly be seen as clowning. Financially-based DHVs will just not work unless they are massive (think yacht party), remember you are in the richest country in the world. Also the looks game will be a huge killer if you're anything below a male 6 or even 7, it can be brutal. I would say it's one of the only countries I've been where looks is at the top of the value list for girls (at least attractive girls). They do have a lot of male eye candy to look at, so I guess they also get too high standards.
Talent
After some years here it has become extremely difficult for me to judge talent in Norway. The first couple of years I was just transfixed by the eternal sea of blonde hair, and would have banged anything with blue eyes and a name I couldn't pronounce, which somehow seemed to be most chicks. Nowadays I think I have become a bit immune. The average in Scandinavia is still hands down better than anywhere else in western Europe, something that hits me everytime I travel down to the continent, and which I often only realise when I fly home.
But living here every day, I suppose I have adapted to a Norwegian scale, where using numbers is not going to be helpful as they would only reflect a statistical distribution of talent within Norway, and probably don't do most of the girls justice when transposed to a different country.
Obesity is not a big problem (maybe 5% or less), but there is definitely a lot of chubbiness going around. The majority of young people are physically active though, so a large number of girls will still be within acceptable BMI. But most will be rather normal built / fit (think handball girls if that helps), and skinny hotties are the exception. Height does help and a lot of women have incredible legs.
If you like the tall blondes you will have them by the armful. If you are not looking beyond this, and you are okay with normally built scandinavian girls with often nice faces then you will have a sea of 6s and 7s to approach all day and who will have your fill. If you like them really thinner than normal build, as do I, it will be difficult. As everywhere, the skinny hoes know their value and will make you sweat.
Other than appearance, Norwegian girls are on the whole very fun to be around, have plenty of conversation, and at least in the cities are pretty well educated. Youngsters here also begin studying later than much of Europe, so they will retain a more carefree, student-attitude to life well into their 20's. Just stay away from talking about gender issues, do not diss feminism or homosexuality in public, generally stay PR and be polite, and you will be fine.
Next post will be a datasheet with all the different parks. If there is demand for it I can also do a little write-up about cool bars and night game. Enjoy!
