[Leonard D Neubache]

(02-11-2019 11:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Is there any white ethno-nationalist around here who's actually married to and made babies with a white woman? It seems that you guys talk a lot about it but always end up with a non-white one.

Anyway, OP, your life is not an ideological game for other people to mess with. Go with your gut. If you love her and she seems like solid wife and mother materials, marry her and make babies. Don't pay attention to people who don't even do what they preach.

Yeah, we were all born ethnonationalists. The first number I ever learned was 1488. Fuck off with your butthurt, seriously. Would you like to place every decision you ever made against your current world view?

This bullshit is getting tired. If you want to slander people as Nazis for musing over the future of race relations then go fly the rainbow flag with the rest of the globohomo regime.

Men examine evidence and pursue truth, regardless of whether that vindicates their choices in life to that point.

Women and children carefully culture their world view to protect their egos. You might want to consider what constitutes an actual moral high ground.

[StrikeBack]

Well the difference is that the decisions I made did not result in human beings ( wife and children) of the race or mixed races that constantly get vilified by me on the internet.

You basically just admitted that if you were to do it again, you would never choose your wife and children because of race. I hope they never see these posts.

There is nothing wrong with someone who wants to marry a woman of his own race and have children with her because he wants to preserve that. I have no problem with it. But I have a problem with you hypocrites who never miss a chance to criticize mixed race couples and their children, while not even practicing what you preach. It is you who should fuck off with your BS views. We are talking about people's and children's lives here, not your opportunity to LARP online.

[Leonard D Neubache]

"Never miss a chance to criticise mixed race couples and their children".

When? What thread? Christ, you are so fucking insecure about this. Nobody is coming for your kids or mine, and their existence does not constitute ground to prohibit people discussing reality like men.

If you can't hack the feels then bail out.

[eradicator]

^ I thought I already replied. You found one of the few good women(good with children, apparently not a ho, physically beautiful)

Yes start having children with her and start your family with her, assuming you want all of that.

[realologist]

I say go for it if YOU want it. The main reason mixed kids end up messed up, with identity issues is because of poor parenting. It just happens more with mix raced kids because sometimes both parents are losers that can't do well in their own race. It doesn't really matter if both parents are losers and the same race. Their kids don't usually turn out well either.

The easy way to deal with it. Don't be a loser and don't marry a loser. Love your wife and have her love you and let the kids see it. Address the fact that they are mixed early and incorporate parts of both cultures into their lives and have them be proud of both. Kill the victim mentality in them as soon as you see it. That on top of general good parenting and your kids will be fine.

Again. Only do this if it's what you want. I don't know why you wouldn't ask your family and friends over us.

[BlastbeatCasanova]

I'm glad OP made this post. It's something I've considered myself. I'm white but probably the two most wife-able girls I've ever been with have been non-white (though on the color spectrum they were pretty light.) However I'm aware of the Kalergi Plan and I reject all the miscegenation propaganda the media shoves down our throats daily, etc. etc. yadda yadda, what I mean is that I'm RP and on this forum so I'm aware of all the shit that the general pop. doesn't think about, for what it's worth.

I'm not a racial supremacist but I feel that have to respect my lineage and my ancestors but I haven't had a lot of luck with white girls and I'm not sure if I could/should sacrifice my happiness for "genetic purity." It's something I'm still figuring out.

[Black Caesar]

Since white folk are originally from Africa it makes sense that all these white guys looking for pure bloods are ending up with Africans.

As pure as you can get.

[BlastbeatCasanova]

(02-12-2019 06:18 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Since white folk are originally from Africa it makes sense that all these white guys looking for pure bloods are ending up with Africans.

As pure as you can get.

I'm not really seeing "all these white guys...ending up with Africans." Real life observation and data say otherwise

[Waqqle]

Genetic "purity," pursued for successive generations and taken to its eventual end, eventually results in inbreeding. People never get more "pure" as time goes on. With each generation, a certain number of people marry out, move abroad, etc. Even if nobody marries out or leaves, you still eventually just run out of unrelated people to bang and you get kids who are pure, but in all the ways you don't want them to be.

It would be wise to breed with someone who doesn't have the same scary recessive genes that you do. Your kids don't have to be Deliverance pure in order to be raised with a particular set of values instilled in them by you. Racial homogeneity does not necessarily result in cultural homogeneity (how many times has Europe nearly destroyed itself?) and cultural homogeneity and nationalism do not necessarily require racial homogeneity (see Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, Singapore, Madagascar, etc.).

Banging a black chick will always be a better life choice than banging your 3rd cousin. Do it for your kids.


Here are two extreme examples:

"Pure" Blood



"Impure" Blood



Which of these people do you reckon experience the best quality of life and don't wish that their fathers had looked further afield to find their mothers?


If skin color is of prime importance and it should be preserved for aesthetic reasons, even at the expense of health and happiness, then would it not have been better for the Blue Fugates of Kentucky to remain exclusively with their own in order to preserve their own skin color?




For more information on inbreeding and its benefits as they are seen in the Arab world and Pakistan, listen to Gavin McInnes in this video:

If you want to marry a white woman because that's what you like then there is nothing wrong with that (as long as she's not related) and all power to you. Just don't do it for the race because the vast majority don't care about preserving the race, so they won't (your efforts will ultimately be in vain), and, if everyone did, our descendants would, given enough time, eventually all wind up being born blind and deaf (I've personally seen this specifically) or something else terrifying so that would not be a great long term strategy if strengthening and preserving the culture,which I suspect is what most ethno-nationalists are really after, is the objective. Also, all the other reasons I already mentioned in my previous posts on this thread.

As always, these are just my thoughts. Ultimately, it's your life and your choice.

[exitus]

You'll regret it for the rest of your life, and if she leaves you, you'll be stuck with two brown raceless kids.

Don't do it.

[Cattle Rustler]

I found Atlanta Man and Leonard:

[RawGod]

(02-12-2019 07:18 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

If skin color is of prime importance and it should be preserved for aesthetic reasons, even at the expense of health and happiness, then would it not have been better for the Blue Fugates of Kentucky to remain exclusively with their own in order to preserve their own skin color?

Skin color is not the issue. Do you think that an albino African is white? Is a beige NE Asian the same as a beige Euro? Skin color is an outward sign of some fairly big unseen genetic differences. I'm sperging out on the obvious here, but it's a stupid canard.

Another canard is "inbreeding". Cousin marriage causes inbreeding. Genetic bottlenecks of a few individuals causes inbreeding. Marriage between members of an ethnic group numbering in the millions does not cause inbreeding. Iceland has an isolated population of 300,000: they do not have inbreeding problems. (They may be on the borderline and have to keep track of who are cousins to each other. But it's perfectly manageable.) 200 million White Americans or even 5 million white Finns are not going to have an inbreeding problem even if they rigidly marry within their own people.

[Manystyles]

Tbh bro you are indoctrinated by them just as much as those that they push forced multiculturalism on. You have to do what makes you happy.

[Waqqle]

(02-12-2019 09:28 PM)exitus Wrote:  

You'll regret it for the rest of your life, and if she leaves you, you'll be stuck with two brown raceless kids.

Don't do it.

He won't be stuck with them. Fathers don't get custody of kids in divorce, biracial or otherwise. This is current year, dude.

[Waqqle]

(02-12-2019 10:34 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 07:18 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

If skin color is of prime importance and it should be preserved for aesthetic reasons, even at the expense of health and happiness, then would it not have been better for the Blue Fugates of Kentucky to remain exclusively with their own in order to preserve their own skin color?

Skin color is not the issue. Do you think that an albino African is white? Is a beige NE Asian the same as a beige Euro? Skin color is an outward sign of some fairly big unseen genetic differences. I'm sperging out on the obvious here, but it's a stupid canard.

I understand what you are saying but I have to disagree. It's not a stupid canard.

I am making the point that the idealistic goal of "keeping the race pure" is hopeless and pointless from the outset. If the objective is the ideal of racial preservation and purity, then we have to contend with the reality that race contains a lot of sub-groups (ethnicities), each of which is more or less near than the others to the original carrier of the first genetic mutation to occur producing the first blue-eyed person around 6,000 - 10,000 years ago (I'm obviously only talking about the white race here).

Race is a real thing as are the significant genetic differences that constitute it. However, it is and always has been a constantly changing thing that becomes increasingly more nebulous the closer to the borders you get. Plenty of "white" ethnic groups are already impure if we follow the one drop rule. Many Hungarians have Mongol blood, only God knows how many Slovaks and French people have gypsy blood, plenty of white Aussies have Aboriginal blood, and plenty of redneck Southerners from the US have black in them.

"Purity" means very different things depending on which ethnic group within a particular race you are dealing with and the size of the race can decrease depending on where you decide to draw the purity line with any particular ethnic group.

A pure Hungarian is not as purely white in the same way that a pure Norwegian or Dane might be in the sense that the Hungarian, though his blood is "pure" in accordance with where the genetic boundaries are drawn for his ethnic group, carries more genes which did not originate in Europe and also therefor has a smaller percentage of his total genes being copies and/or variations of the original genetic mutation that occurred in a single individual in Europe around 6,000 - 10,000 years ago creating the primordial light-eyed white person from whom every other light-eyed white person who has ever existed is ultimately descended.

As another example, the Nilotic people and the pygmies are both black and actually do not originate that far away from each other but, due to geographic factors, genetically diverged and were historically isolated from each other maybe even before humans started wandering into Europe where white people diverged from black African people. Because of the isolation in which they evolved, they may be even more genetically different from each other than either of them are from white people because they've been evolving separately since before the first white guy emerged from his black/brown mother's womb. I don't have data on hand to prove that specifically so I'm only guessing but they are so far apart genetically as to not only be a different color and have different noses and eye colors (as with white vs black) but to be about as close to two different species as its possible to be without actually being so. Are they of the same race? Where exactly are we drawing the lines?

So, depending on where we want to draw the boundaries around the white race, the size of its membership may or may not shrink very noticeably. If we go even further and try to shoot for ethnic purity, we are left with a smaller group still. If we cut out the people who are aberrations or lost gene contributors in some way or other (miscegenators and their spawn, traitors, people who died before breeding, people who betrayed the nation/faith/culture and had to be expelled, people who just decided the weather sucked and moved to Palau, etc.), then the pool shrinks again. It keeps on shrinking as we get more specific and pure until, eventually, we are left with a group up people that we would be lucky to have be around the population of Iceland but which would likely be similar in size to some vanishing Amazonian tribe or perhaps one of those FLDS compound towns in the Utah desert.

This only gets better when you take into account other things that further concentrate and purify the gene pool such as females having children with multiple different men (within or outside of a marriage), divorce and remarriage, etc.

Given such a small group of people, even if it were mandated that a person may not lay with his third or even second cousin, it will eventually be impossible to find potential partners who maintain the original standard of genetic purity but are not related by blood unless new blood is brought in but, if new blood were brought it, then the genetic purity of the population would be compromised.

This is similar to why there are certain genetic diseases which are rampant almost exclusively in Ashkenazi Jewish communities. Almost nobody converts to Judaism but people do leave the Jewish faith and marry out. The genetic diversity within their population shrinks with each generation and therefor, with each generation, the likelihood of inbreeding increases along with all the freaky birth defects and recessive diseases that are known to be caused by it. People in this particular population are known to do genetic counseling to mediate this but there is only so much you can do with such a limited gene pool and, at a certain point, you're really just rolling the dice.

In a similar way, nobody becomes more ethnically Danish or Nilotic than they already are (as they've already been born) so, if genetic purity is the objective and a certain percentage of your population will always leave in each generation but they are not replaced by any new blood, you will inevitably at some point wind up banging your cousin. Maybe not you personally but, given enough successive generations, your descendants will wind up having problems just like King Tut did because the royal family of Egypt had to keep their divine blood pure and nobody could become more divine than they already were so nobody could join the divine pharaoh race from outside.

The genetic purity of the race will only ever decrease with each successive generation as people leave and cannot be replaced since nobody can become more pure to join. In this way, the genetic diversity will never do anything but decrease as long as no new blood is ever assimilated.

Taken to its logical final conclusion, the idealistic quest for genetic purity (by anyone, not only white people) at the expense of all else invariably ends with people fucking their cousins.

However, as humans all over the world are mutating and evolving all the time, the groups we started with in our generation won't necessarily be the same groups that exist 500 years from now as long as we continue to mix and match.

This is one reason among many why I think that this formula holds true.

Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

As far as biracial kids feeling lost or whatever, I'm as close to a pure-blooded white guy as an American can be (my parents, aunts, and uncles are really into the ancestry stuff and have traced on both sides as far back as medieval times) but I never didn't feel lost despite that. Being one race or another is not going to save you from absent parents, a fucked up school system, feminist and LGBT messages forced on you through every form of media, and a society that couldn't possibly give less of a genuine shit about your happiness or well-being if it tried. Family, Tribe, and Cultural Community (which may or may not transcend the nation state and/or involve religion) are what protect you from all that crap and equip you with the mental and psychoemotional tools to engage.

As for this part of your comment:

Quote:

Another canard is "inbreeding". Cousin marriage causes inbreeding. Genetic bottlenecks of a few individuals causes inbreeding. Marriage between members of an ethnic group numbering in the millions does not cause inbreeding. Iceland has an isolated population of 300,000: they do not have inbreeding problems. (They may be on the borderline and have to keep track of who are cousins to each other. But it's perfectly manageable.) 200 million White Americans or even 5 million white Finns are not going to have an inbreeding problem even if they rigidly marry within their own people.

Firstly, Iceland does have inbreeding problems. It is so inbred that the government has to intervene in order to even try to manage it so that people don't get born as frequently as they naturally would, without detailed records and genetic counseling, with horrifying and often lethal recessive genetic disorders. I consider that a problem. And let's be real, the only reason we don't visibly see the results of that problem as much in Iceland is because they abort fetuses whenever there is any prenatal sign that something might be wrong with them. That's why Iceland has no Down Syndrome children. It's not that they don't produce any. They just exterminate them whenever they appear.

Frankly, the inbreeding problem would be a lot worse in Iceland than it is already if they did not have a certain amount of outsider blood coming in every so often as they do. If they were truly hellbent on keeping their blood 100% pure and making sure that nobody race mixed and that anyone who did got kicked out, things could easily get as out of hand as they are for the FLDS in the US.

If the race is so frail and biologically self-destructive that we have to cull infants by the hundreds every year like the ancient Sparta (and maybe adopting their love of pederasty - that's the next degeneracy coming to the West, you heard it here first) just so we can, even if only for one more generation (so we can make it the next gen's problem, boomer style), keep up the façade of vitality, then the race needs to be strengthened and reinvigorated with some fresh new blood. We did not evolve as a species to rely entirely on genetic counselors, prenatal abortion, and all the modern computers and other technology required to manage all that. We evolved to fuck our neighbors and, when the neighbors became us, to venture further out and find new neighbors to fuck who probably just evolved into some new race or ethnicity themselves as a result of a series of mutations that have occurred in their populations since we both last diverged from our most recent common ancestor.

Perhaps I'm just picky and overly ambitious but I would prefer not to confine my entire person and restrict the eternal future growth of my line to the arbitrary borders of an epigenetic cul-de-sac and, if I'm ever in a position in which I feel like I have to ask myself:

"Am I about to fuck my cousin? Should I get a DNA test before we fuck to make sure that I'm not about to fuck my cousin? Would it be so bad to fuck my cousin if we're only third cousins?"

Then several things have gone very wrong in my life and a correction is in order. If questions like these even need to be asked, she's too close in my mind.

The key, I think, is the formula I wrote above. If your kids feel secure in their family situation, you've got a tribe (as I explained in a previous post on this thread), and you're all part of a cultural community (which may or may not have anything to do with how pure-blooded any of you are), then nation will typically take care of itself or at least be as easy to figure out as anything in this life can be. By the time race comes along after that, you and your kids are already preoccupied with so many other social, national, familial, cultural, and tribal relationships that it is effectively reduced to little if anything more than an aesthetic thing that may or may not make them more attractive to certain females who may or may not be into particular traits which may or may not be more frequently occurring in your genetic line.

Of course, if you are a dick (not saying you personally but the universal hypothetical "you") and are always making your kids feel bad about not being as much like you as you are, then I imagine they might emerge from childhood with some psychological issues that could require some form of therapy later in life. However, if you're a decent dad, your wife is a decent mom, and you both work together the way moms and dads are supposed to, your kids should be as close to well-adjusted and prepared to deal with reality as anyone coming of age on this retarded planet could be.

All of this said, I'm not going to fault anyone for marrying within there race as there is nothing wrong with it and I don't think anyone should be ashamed or apologetic of their own particular racial background (by this, I mean fuck "white guilt"). I just personally prefer the Paraguay approach to preserving the nation, culture, and lineage in spite of racial diversity as opposed to the Egyptian pharaoh approach and think it generally wiser to choose a woman to be your wife and mother your children based on more immediate and useful principles than the vain hope for an unrealistic hypothetical future for a pure race in which your line will never be mixed at any point with one from any other race after you're long dead (good luck preventing that from beyond the grave).

I think that, while there are real things outside of our control, what is within our control (family, tribe, culture, nation) is more important than what is not (race) due to the fact that we can effect those things which are within our control and there is little use in dwelling on those things that are not as we have no ability to do anything about them whether we dwell on them or not.

Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

[RawGod]

(02-13-2019 01:19 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 10:34 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 07:18 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

If skin color is of prime importance and it should be preserved for aesthetic reasons, even at the expense of health and happiness, then would it not have been better for the Blue Fugates of Kentucky to remain exclusively with their own in order to preserve their own skin color?

Skin color is not the issue. Do you think that an albino African is white? Is a beige NE Asian the same as a beige Euro? Skin color is an outward sign of some fairly big unseen genetic differences. I'm sperging out on the obvious here, but it's a stupid canard.

I understand what you are saying but I have to disagree. It's not a stupid canard.

I am making the point that the idealistic goal of "keeping the race pure" is hopeless and pointless from the outset. If the objective is the ideal of racial preservation and purity, then we have to contend with the reality that race contains a lot of sub-groups (ethnicities), each of which is more or less near than the others to the original carrier of the first genetic mutation to occur producing the first blue-eyed person around 6,000 - 10,000 years ago (I'm obviously only talking about the white race here).

Race is a real thing as are the significant genetic differences that constitute it. However, it is and always has been a constantly changing thing that becomes increasingly more nebulous the closer to the borders you get. Plenty of "white" ethnic groups are already impure if we follow the one drop rule. Many Hungarians have Mongol blood, only God knows how many Slovaks and French people have gypsy blood, plenty of white Aussies have Aboriginal blood, and plenty of redneck Southerners from the US have black in them.

"Purity" means very different things depending on which ethnic group within a particular race you are dealing with and the size of the race can decrease depending on where you decide to draw the purity line with any particular ethnic group.

A pure Hungarian is not as purely white in the same way that a pure Norwegian or Dane might be in the sense that the Hungarian, though his blood is "pure" in accordance with where the genetic boundaries are drawn for his ethnic group, carries more genes which did not originate in Europe and also therefor has a smaller percentage of his total genes being copies and/or variations of the original genetic mutation that occurred in a single individual in Europe around 6,000 - 10,000 years ago creating the primordial light-eyed white person from whom every other light-eyed white person who has ever existed is ultimately descended.

As another example, the Nilotic people and the pygmies are both black and actually do not originate that far away from each other but, due to geographic factors, genetically diverged and were historically isolated from each other maybe even before humans started wandering into Europe where white people diverged from black African people. Because of the isolation in which they evolved, they may be even more genetically different from each other than either of them are from white people because they've been evolving separately since before the first white guy emerged from his black/brown mother's womb. I don't have data on hand to prove that specifically so I'm only guessing but they are so far apart genetically as to not only be a different color and have different noses and eye colors (as with white vs black) but to be about as close to two different species as its possible to be without actually being so. Are they of the same race? Where exactly are we drawing the lines?

So, depending on where we want to draw the boundaries around the white race, the size of its membership may or may not shrink very noticeably. If we go even further and try to shoot for ethnic purity, we are left with a smaller group still. If we cut out the people who are aberrations or lost gene contributors in some way or other (miscegenators and their spawn, traitors, people who died before breeding, people who betrayed the nation/faith/culture and had to be expelled, people who just decided the weather sucked and moved to Palau, etc.), then the pool shrinks again. It keeps on shrinking as we get more specific and pure until, eventually, we are left with a group up people that we would be lucky to have be around the population of Iceland but which would likely be similar in size to some vanishing Amazonian tribe or perhaps one of those FLDS compound towns in the Utah desert.

This only gets better when you take into account other things that further concentrate and purify the gene pool such as females having children with multiple different men (within or outside of a marriage), divorce and remarriage, etc.

Given such a small group of people, even if it were mandated that a person may not lay with his third or even second cousin, it will eventually be impossible to find potential partners who maintain the original standard of genetic purity but are not related by blood unless new blood is brought in but, if new blood were brought it, then the genetic purity of the population would be compromised.

This is similar to why there are certain genetic diseases which are rampant almost exclusively in Ashkenazi Jewish communities. Almost nobody converts to Judaism but people do leave the Jewish faith and marry out. The genetic diversity within their population shrinks with each generation and therefor, with each generation, the likelihood of inbreeding increases along with all the freaky birth defects and recessive diseases that are known to be caused by it. People in this particular population are known to do genetic counseling to mediate this but there is only so much you can do with such a limited gene pool and, at a certain point, you're really just rolling the dice.

In a similar way, nobody becomes more ethnically Danish or Nilotic than they already are (as they've already been born) so, if genetic purity is the objective and a certain percentage of your population will always leave in each generation but they are not replaced by any new blood, you will inevitably at some point wind up banging your cousin. Maybe not you personally but, given enough successive generations, your descendants will wind up having problems just like King Tut did because the royal family of Egypt had to keep their divine blood pure and nobody could become more divine than they already were so nobody could join the divine pharaoh race from outside.

The genetic purity of the race will only ever decrease with each successive generation as people leave and cannot be replaced since nobody can become more pure to join. In this way, the genetic diversity will never do anything but decrease as long as no new blood is ever assimilated.

Taken to its logical final conclusion, the idealistic quest for genetic purity (by anyone, not only white people) at the expense of all else invariably ends with people fucking their cousins.

However, as humans all over the world are mutating and evolving all the time, the groups we started with in our generation won't necessarily be the same groups that exist 500 years from now as long as we continue to mix and match.

This is one reason among many why I think that this formula holds true.

Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

As far as biracial kids feeling lost or whatever, I'm as close to a pure-blooded white guy as an American can be (my parents, aunts, and uncles are really into the ancestry stuff and have traced on both sides as far back as medieval times) but I never didn't feel lost despite that. Being one race or another is not going to save you from absent parents, a fucked up school system, feminist and LGBT messages forced on you through every form of media, and a society that couldn't possibly give less of a genuine shit about your happiness or well-being if it tried. Family, Tribe, and Cultural Community (which may or may not transcend the nation state and/or involve religion) are what protect you from all that crap and equip you with the mental and psychoemotional tools to engage.

As for this part of your comment:

Quote:

Another canard is "inbreeding". Cousin marriage causes inbreeding. Genetic bottlenecks of a few individuals causes inbreeding. Marriage between members of an ethnic group numbering in the millions does not cause inbreeding. Iceland has an isolated population of 300,000: they do not have inbreeding problems. (They may be on the borderline and have to keep track of who are cousins to each other. But it's perfectly manageable.) 200 million White Americans or even 5 million white Finns are not going to have an inbreeding problem even if they rigidly marry within their own people.

Firstly, Iceland does have inbreeding problems. It is so inbred that the government has to intervene in order to even try to manage it so that people don't get born as frequently as they naturally would, without detailed records and genetic counseling, with horrifying and often lethal recessive genetic disorders. I consider that a problem. And let's be real, the only reason we don't visibly see the results of that problem as much in Iceland is because they abort fetuses whenever there is any prenatal sign that something might be wrong with them. That's why Iceland has no Down Syndrome children. It's not that they don't produce any. They just exterminate them whenever they appear.

Frankly, the inbreeding problem would be a lot worse in Iceland than it is already if they did not have a certain amount of outsider blood coming in every so often as they do. If they were truly hellbent on keeping their blood 100% pure and making sure that nobody race mixed and that anyone who did got kicked out, things could easily get as out of hand as they are for the FLDS in the US.

If the race is so frail and biologically self-destructive that we have to cull infants by the hundreds every year like the ancient Sparta (and maybe adopting their love of pederasty - that's the next degeneracy coming to the West, you heard it here first) just so we can, even if only for one more generation (so we can make it the next gen's problem, boomer style), keep up the façade of vitality, then the race needs to be strengthened and reinvigorated with some fresh new blood. We did not evolve as a species to rely entirely on genetic counselors, prenatal abortion, and all the modern computers and other technology required to manage all that. We evolved to fuck our neighbors and, when the neighbors became us, to venture further out and find new neighbors to fuck who probably just evolved into some new race or ethnicity themselves as a result of a series of mutations that have occurred in their populations since we both last diverged from our most recent common ancestor.

Perhaps I'm just picky and overly ambitious but I would prefer not to confine my entire person and restrict the eternal future growth of my line to the arbitrary borders of an epigenetic cul-de-sac and, if I'm ever in a position in which I feel like I have to ask myself:

"Am I about to fuck my cousin? Should I get a DNA test before we fuck to make sure that I'm not about to fuck my cousin? Would it be so bad to fuck my cousin if we're only third cousins?"

Then several things have gone very wrong in my life and a correction is in order. If questions like these even need to be asked, she's too close in my mind.

The key, I think, is the formula I wrote above. If your kids feel secure in their family situation, you've got a tribe (as I explained in a previous post on this thread), and you're all part of a cultural community (which may or may not have anything to do with how pure-blooded any of you are), then nation will typically take care of itself or at least be as easy to figure out as anything in this life can be. By the time race comes along after that, you and your kids are already preoccupied with so many other social, national, familial, cultural, and tribal relationships that it is effectively reduced to little if anything more than an aesthetic thing that may or may not make them more attractive to certain females who may or may not be into particular traits which may or may not be more frequently occurring in your genetic line.

Of course, if you are a dick (not saying you personally but the universal hypothetical "you") and are always making your kids feel bad about not being as much like you as you are, then I imagine they might emerge from childhood with some psychological issues that could require some form of therapy later in life. However, if you're a decent dad, your wife is a decent mom, and you both work together the way moms and dads are supposed to, your kids should be as close to well-adjusted and prepared to deal with reality as anyone coming of age on this retarded planet could be.

All of this said, I'm not going to fault anyone for marrying within there race as there is nothing wrong with it and I don't think anyone should be ashamed or apologetic of their own particular racial background (by this, I mean fuck "white guilt"). I just personally prefer the Paraguay approach to preserving the nation, culture, and lineage in spite of racial diversity as opposed to the Egyptian pharaoh approach and think it generally wiser to choose a woman to be your wife and mother your children based on more immediate and useful principles than the vain hope for an unrealistic hypothetical future for a pure race in which your line will never be mixed at any point with one from any other race after you're long dead (good luck preventing that from beyond the grave).

I think that, while there are real things outside of our control, what is within our control (family, tribe, culture, nation) is more important than what is not (race) due to the fact that we can effect those things which are within our control and there is little use in dwelling on those things that are not as we have no ability to do anything about them whether we dwell on them or not.

Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

You wrote a lot there. Let me see if I can respond to one or two things.

I think you have an axe to grind, thus you're bringing up things like a famous inbred family in Kentucky and saying that if Whites don't embrace multiracialism they'll end up like that, and the supposed impurity of Hungarians, with the implication that they're not white and may as well shrug and marry Africans en masse.

The latter thing about Hungarian DNA isn't even true as recent studies show that they're basically the same people as Austrians and Slovaks, with like a 1/1000th Asiatic DNA which is less than Ukrainians have. The media is latching on to similar half-truths and myths about every White ethnic group. Slovaks are crypto-Gypsies. American whites have Native DNA. There's a tiny grain of truth (about 1/1024th) in each of these tales, but they are ideologically driven.

This is not about purity or superiority. It's about having kids that look like you, fit into the story of an ethnic group, and will not grow up to be politically and socially divided from you as the culture is weaponised against Whites. While you debate about "who is White anyway? Some French have Gypsy genes" I will tell you who is White. It's those people who get nothing from a system that is against them while non-Whites are favored. It's those who qualify for no affirmative action or special treatment. It's those who the non-White schoolteacher secretly grades more harshly.

I agree that the love of a family and a close community is more important than race. I don't think there is anything magical about a group's genes. And I think some inflow from outside is natural, inevitable and even can be beneficial. But I support those who want to marry within their own group and think that these are not good times to have a mixed family when the culture is dead set on division and an anti-White agenda.

And your argument about pro-Whites having an end game of being inbred cousin fuckers is a ridiculous straw man. This was worked out a long time ago in NW Europe, we simply don't marry our cousins and the population is now huge and has had considerable intra-White and non-White inflow of DNA.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

...
This is not about purity or superiority. It's about having kids that look like you, fit into the story of an ethnic group, and will not grow up to be politically and socially divided from you as the culture is weaponised against Whites. While you debate about "who is White anyway? Some French have Gypsy genes" I will tell you who is White. It's those people who get nothing from a system that is against them while non-Whites are favored. It's those who qualify for no affirmative action or special treatment. It's those who the non-White schoolteacher secretly grades more harshly.
...

This is pretty much it. Aside, white people and white men more specifically are in the firing line, but "white" is not a bloodline. A half German half Irish is still going to face many of the same cultural identity issues as a half German half Afghani, albeit to a lesser degree. There is no such thing as a legitimate ethno-state made up of equal parts Italian, Dutch, Scots and French. It might function better than a Somalian ethnostate but it's not legitimate in that same regard. In 100-200 years if you ceased immigration and if the inter-clan breeding was rampant enough then you might be able to suggest that DutItalSconFrensia was a new ethnostate populated by a unique and separate peoples but that's irrelevant to us now.

The point being it doesn't matter how white you are. Unless you're going to attempt to fold yourself and your bloodline back into your dominant ethnogroup (or unless you're still pure in that regard) then don't bother larping about protecting the "white race". Even nation states don't correctly capture ethnicity, so a broad blanket identity based on plain skin colour is as stupid for whites as suggesting that Kenyans and Haitians are the same people. American Anglos are not the same as American Germans or American Italians, and if you find yourself fighting the globalists side by side with an Estonian and a Greek that still doesn't make them the same as you.

Hence my stance that Australian and ethno-state are a foolish notion to put together. White Australians trace our roots individually back to the various motherlands, same as black Americans were once to differing degrees Congoans, Senegalese, Gambians etc before those nations even existed as lines on a map.

[Jungle]

(02-11-2019 09:34 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:24 AM)Jungle Wrote:  

??

Nothing I said there was contradictory.

Banging girls in contrast to procreating with girls are two completely different things.

Perhaps you didn't comprehend that.

Being in a long term relationship with a girl you would never ever, not under any circumstances, procreate with is degenerate behaviour and an affront against the natural order.

Thanks for your self-righteous guiding light as the authority on morality.

Yes, I agree with you, I suppose having a relationship with a female whom I ultimately know I won't procreate with could be mildly degenerate. Perhaps a 1/100 level degeneracy.

By your logic, we could also agree that eating junk food is also degenerate - Does that make every person who eats bag of Doritos a part of ((( their ))) plan ... Casual sex is also degenerate - are most RVF members now globalists... Binge drinking is also degenerate - Perhaps a 10/100 level degeneracy - oh my gosh it's hard being puritanical.

You see, you'll notice that the key factor here is the level of degeneracy. And in regards to having mixed race offspring, well, that, good sir, is a high level of degeneracy. It makes Mark Potok get a big fat stiffy and the Bolsheviks have wet dreams in their grave

I support and respect the right to exist for all people, all ethnicities, all homeland, all cultures... so now ask yourself - do you respect the right of existence for my people, my ethnicity, my homeland, my culture?

If you do, then you should have no issue whatsoever with whites choosing to procreate with other whites, especially considering that we are being genocided.

(02-11-2019 09:34 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  

(((They))) already got you.

Real clever "gotcha" climax you had there, but I'm afraid that, no, you sanctimonious fellow, you are wrong.

Genociding the Europeans through miscegenation, that is exactly what the Kalergi & co want. Fact.

[Jungle]

(02-11-2019 11:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Is there any white ethno-nationalist around here who's actually married to and made babies with a white woman? It seems that you guys talk a lot about it but always end up with a non-white one.

No it's never been done before. I hope to be the first. If I manage to do such a rare feat I'll make sure to update the forum about this remarkable achievement

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's standard shifting-goalpost bullshit.

"How can you discuss enthno-nationalism (merely discuss mind you) if you aren't having any white babies?"

"Okay. I had a white baby."

"Hurr durr! Just one? No wonder you're going extinct, cuck!"

"Okay. I had another one."

"Hurr durr! That's only replacement. What kind of second rate Nazi are you anyway?"

"Okay. I have three now."

"Hurr durr! Mohammed still has you beat by two! You're gonna have to try harder than that!"

"Okay. I have six now."

"Lol. Six kids?! Fucking toothless hicks. How do you even afford six kids? I bet they're all cross-eyed illiterate rednecks!"

[Waqqle]

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

You wrote a lot there. Let me see if I can respond to one or two things.

I think you have an axe to grind, thus you're bringing up things like a famous inbred family in Kentucky and saying that if Whites don't embrace multiracialism they'll end up like that, and the supposed impurity of Hungarians, with the implication that they're not white and may as well shrug and marry Africans en masse.

Thank you for your reply. Let me try and get at some of it.

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Taken to its logical final conclusion, the idealistic quest for genetic purity (by anyone, not only white people) at the expense of all else invariably ends with people fucking their cousins.

I specifically made it a point more than once to not single out white people in this. That is why I included a video about how inbreeding effects the entire Arab world and Indian subcontinent as well as why I wrote my previous posts in this thread to include case in point examples from as far afield as Nepal and Cabo Verde. It is also why I stated that there is nothing wrong with being white or from any other race.

I am not saying that anyone has to marry anyone en masse or that such a thing will happen. I try (though maybe not always successfully) to be more realistic than that, which is why I also can't say that pursuing racial purity/preservation to the detriment of personal happiness and the other factors in the formula hierarchy

(Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race)

is a doomed and pointless effort that is far more likely to produce confused and resentful offspring than a mixed situation in which the higher priority items in the formula hierarchy are checked.

Most people always have and probably always will marry within their race. I am saying that, if we force ourselves individually to put the last factor in the formula hierarchy first at the expense of the others, then we will ultimately find that our efforts have been in vain as our descendants are not under our control and will mix at some point as people have always done and that we will also likely find that race without those other things which come before it in the formula hierarchy does not provide much if any support or comfort.

I don't have any racial axe to grind but, if we are talking about me personally, I can say that, in my own case, I have nothing against white people (that would be crazy as I am white) but I have never felt any particular closeness or kinship with other white people I don't know or have anything other than genetics in common with and I would estimate that most of the people who have ever harmed or screwed me over have been white (though I got bullied by black kids and screwed out of my salary by my ratchet black employer at one point too).

This is not because white people are any worse than any other race but because I grew up around mostly white people so, naturally, if anyone was going to screw me over, it was most likely going to be a white person in a similar way that, if I were black and living in the south side of Chicago, if anyone were going to shoot me or sell dope to my kids, it would most likely be another black person. The point is that me being the same race as them meant as little to them then as it does to me now and it didn't stop them from seeking to do me harm in the same way that the non-white allies I have managed to find were not stopped from being my allies by the fact that the ancestors we never knew came from different parts of the world.

I could throw in other not purely racial factors like the fact that my being from the Deep South often causes other white people from other parts of the US and/or world to look down on me and assume that I am some sort of dull-witted hick or that the fact that my being born autistic caused me to be segregated from the general population and raised and basically tortured in an isolated unit within the public school system that effectively put me outside of any racial (or any other) community and instilled in me from day 1 the knowledge that, if they don't know you or have anything in common with you in terms of the higher priority items in the formula hierarchy, then there is no reason to expect that they will care what happens to you or that they will not be out to get you, regardless of what they look like. I learned early in life that, if you don't have a family, tribe, culture (may or may not include things like religious community), and/or nation backing you, or even the social aptitude needed to secure those things if you don't have them already, then you don't have anything that is actually going to protect you, sort of like the original running theme of the X-Men franchise.

I also know that, when society hops on board the Eugenics bandwagon, they have historically targeted autists and other abnormals who are visible in childhood like I was (though I'm not at all visible now as an adult unless I choose to be, much like how many mutants in the X-Men franchise learned to act, hide, and fly under the radar to live as close to a normal life as they could) even before they have gone after the other races because, unlike the people of other races, those individuals usually don't have anyone backing them up because, aside from their race not being a safeguard against anything that members of the same race want to do to them, they typically don't have tribes or cultural communities that care enough about them to stick their necks out for them or even families who are not themselves throwing them under the bus.

Even if, like me, you are proven on paper multiple times to be more highly intelligent (at the risk of sounding arrogant) than over 90% of your normal peers (and thus, theoretically, a more useful arrow to have in the quiver?), something as seemingly insignificant and irrelevant as a lack of natural social aptitude or a monotone can be all it takes, especially in a society ruled by females as the one I grew up in is, to make race fly out the window like a dry leaf and cause you to be just as much of an outsider as someone of another race. Actually, even more of an outsider because the other members of your race will likely leave a member of another race alone if they are normal and have the other factors of the formula hierarchy backing them up but they'll go after you because the only people you have backing you up are them and they don't want you.

Clearly, I have a vested personal interest in avoiding and opposing any ideology or ideal which comes anywhere close to approximating that of Eugenics and, the closer it comes to that, the more I am naturally going to be inclined to oppose it. However, that is all only part of my own personal back story and most other peoples' experiences are obviously going to be less extreme and weird than mine so I don't think I can successfully make all of my arguments from the "this happened to me personally and therefor..." position or from a purely emotional standpoint.

As for Hungary, the impurity of the Magyars (the name Hungarians have given themselves - a name which itself comes from the Uralic tribes who invaded the Carpathian Basin from Asia) is not supposed. Those of them who have Mongol blood, which is a lot of them (historical accounts of the physical appearance of Attila the Hun, arguably the progenitor of the Hungarian identity and many of the people who claim it, for example, pretty unambiguously describe a mean-looking "small-eyed" Oriental guy with Fu Man Chu facial hair), are genetically farther away from the primordial white person than other white people who have less ethnic/racial mixing in their ancestry. Thus, they are, by definition, less purely white genetically speaking. Despite this, the Hungarians have forged a unique identity for themselves which is very cool and I don't suspect that most people think of them primarily as being a weak and degenerate people who don't care about their kids or the future.

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

The latter thing about Hungarian DNA isn't even true as recent studies show that they're basically the same people as Austrians and Slovaks, with like a 1/1000th Asiatic DNA which is less than Ukrainians have. The media is latching on to similar half-truths and myths about every White ethnic group. Slovaks are crypto-Gypsies. American whites have Native DNA. There's a tiny grain of truth (about 1/1024th) in each of these tales, but they are ideologically driven.

I don't know what recent studies you are referring to, who conducted them, or how (un)reliable they are but, from a purely historical standpoint, it is not possible for this statement about Hungarians being just as purely white as a pure-blooded Austrian to be factually accurate. We all know by now how easy it is to create a nonsense study.

Magyars speak a Uralic (as in the Ural mountain range in Asia) language and, according to genetic research conducted by Hungarian medical researchers themselves (available on PubMed - a public access repository of medical knowledge), among other research and studies that have been conducted, Hungarians, on average, have higher amounts of gypsy (basically Indian as the Roma originally migrated from the Indian subcontinent) and NE Asian DNA. However, and this remains my main point, the Magyars have established themselves as a clearly identifiable people group and forged a complex and cool identity for themselves by focusing primarily on the higher priority factors in the formula hierarchy instead of solely on being white., possibly because they have been, since the beginning, noticeably less typically white in character than people from other parts of Europe, such as Austrians.


*First flag from the left is Hungary. Fourth from the right is Bulgaria (easy to mix them up).


*A Hungarian man in traditional Western European attire proudly carrying his nation's flag, backed by a large portrait of the very white-looking Atilla the Hun.

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

This is not about purity or superiority. It's about having kids that look like you, fit into the story of an ethnic group, and will not grow up to be politically and socially divided from you as the culture is weaponised against Whites. While you debate about "who is White anyway? Some French have Gypsy genes"

Understood. I agree that it is desirable to have kids that resemble oneself. The degree to which they resemble you specifically (by this, I mean the number of your individual personal genes which manifest in their physical appearance) will not be different than if you had them with a non-white woman because, either way, you kids are getting half from her and half from you. Even if they come out with your eyes and their mothers yellow skin, the most they will have from either you or her is half, hence the formerly common pejorative "half-caste."

Even if you breed with a white woman, assuming she doesn't cheat on you and the child is biologically yours, your white kids will not look the way they do because they have inherited more than 50% of their DNA from you but because your wife carried many of the same genes that you do and they also manifested on her end as well as yours. This is of course assuming that inbreeding has not occurred, in which case more of your personal familial genes will manifest, though not necessarily for the better. So, you get 50% regardless of what color they come out as. Again, I get the desire for resemblance and I won't fault anyone for it but we get 50% so, as long as I know that my kids are biologically mine and get my 50%, I don't much see the point in worrying about my wife's 50% as long as there is nothing scary in there.

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I will tell you who is White. It's those people who get nothing from a system that is against them while non-Whites are favored. It's those who qualify for no affirmative action or special treatment. It's those who the non-White schoolteacher secretly grades more harshly.

They are getting screwed by the system because only being white is not useful to them right now and other white people are creating and using that system to screw them for their own personal gain and that of their own personal higher priority formula factors (family, tribe, cultural community, and possibly nation). It is white lords selling white peasants' inheritance and homelands to non-whites. it is also white women throwing the weak men they have broken to the side in favor of the more primitively masculine invaders who will, like Attila and Genghis did all those centuries ago, gather them to their bosoms and fuck them in half.

"The Greatest Happiness is to scatter your enemy and drive him before you. To see his cities reduced to ashes. To see those who love him shrouded and in tears. And to gather to your bosom his wives and daughters." - Genghis Khan

I feel you, man. I don't get any ethnic scholarships either. I had to enlist in the army to get my scholarship. And there is definitely rampant and open anti-white racism throughout the Anglosphere. Most of that however, is perpetrated (on the high decision-making level) or at least enabled by other white people who have (correctly) chosen to prioritize the higher priority formula factors over their race. A ruling class white person has more in common where it counts with a ruling class Arab or Indian than any of them have with other members of their respective races.

The most important identifying factors of a person are family, tribe, cultural community, and, when applicable, nation. Those are the things you don't have in common with the people screwing you over.

The longer ((they)) (I'm joking here and referring generally to people abusing their positions of power) can keep you thinking that you have more in common with them than you do with the other people they are also screwing over (crashing the currencies and economies of other countries, creating agribusiness monopolies and food aid programs that push farmers into the handout line, using shady NGOs to ship people in by the thousands to countries where they will never be able to lead happy and fulfilled lives because they can't even learn the language or get jobs but will be able to vote and cause distraction long enough for the rulers to slide all their plunder into a bank account in some other country populated by other people they don't give a shit about, etc.), the longer you will keep being oblivious to what, in the army, would be called the big green dick fucking you in the ass from on high while you throw hands with some other low-ranking sod who is also getting fucked at the same time and coming to the same conclusion as you: that this was all your master plan.

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I agree that the love of a family and a close community is more important than race. I don't think there is anything magical about a group's genes. And I think some inflow from outside is natural, inevitable and even can be beneficial. But I support those who want to marry within their own group and think that these are not good times to have a mixed family when the culture is dead set on division and an anti-White agenda.

That's not necessarily an invalid feeling and I get where you are coming from. I've lived for years in non-white majority countries that are mostly homogenous and people in those countries have, on more than one occasion, expressed similar concerns (in conversations in which I asked them their opinion - they didn't bring it up spontaneously or treat me badly because of it), especially as most countries outside of Africa and the Americas are and have historically always been ethno-states if for no other reason than the fact that travel was generally more of a challenge back in the day. There is no reason not to support someone who marries within their background community if they are doing it because they have identified the person/people who matter most to them but, in the same way, I don't see any reason not to also support those who marry out for the same reasons provided that they are actually being responsible and covering the formula hierarchy bases.

A mulatto or Eurasian kid raised as a Colombian won't have any more real connection to the places of their ancestral heritage than any other Colombian. If they go there, they will be a foreigner as I am a foreigner in Holland despite the fact that my grandmother is from and is even still a citizen there (again, I've asked Dutch immigration officials about getting citizenship based on descent and I'm not eligible).

There is almost no country I am aware of that will grant citizenship to a person based purely on descent, no matter how unbroken their line, if their last relative who actually was born and grew up in that cultural community/nation is more farther back than grandparents or great grandparents. The only exceptions I am aware of are Italy, which allows the latest ancestor to go back to the founding of the current Italian state, Liberia (where nobody knows anything other than that they are black and non-black people are not permitted to become citizens under any circumstances), and Ghana (where black people from the historical diaspora can apply for citizenship).

Italy's requirements actually don't go that far back if you are thinking in genetic terms and I don't qualify because my most recent ancestors from there came to the US before the cut off back when Sicily was a country and Liberia and Ghana are just going to wind up with a bunch of angry black Americans coming to their shores wearing their dashikis while native Ghanians where suits because they have jobs, not assimilating because they aren't ready to learn Akan-Twi or flush the toilet by pouring a bucket of water in it after use, and complaining all the time about everything possible until they eventually fuck off back to the US where they will continue to bitch and moan until they draw their last miserable breath and croak.

What's the point of placing so much stock on belonging to a group that doesn't want you and/or that you will simply not become a part of even if they invite you? Again, I don't mean you personally but the universal hypothetical "you."

(02-13-2019 05:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

And your argument about pro-Whites having an end game of being inbred cousin fuckers is a ridiculous straw man. This was worked out a long time ago in NW Europe, we simply don't marry our cousins and the population is now huge and has had considerable intra-White and non-White inflow of DNA.

Didn't say it was the end game or goal. I only said that the argument, taken to its logical and most extreme conclusion inevitably arrives in that place. Europe has much more genetic influence from outside than most people realize or consider. Aside from the dawn of time African DNA, there is the blood of the Moorish conquerers that pulses through the veins of almost anyone with any Spanish or Portuguese ancestry, the Arab DNA from the Phoenicians Carthaginians, and every other Near Eastern civilization that has ever conquered any part of the northern Mediterranean, the Roma (who, again, genetically originate from India), the Uralic groups who came from Asia and whose languages still hold national language status in 3 Euro countries (Hungary, Estonia, and Finland), anyone who had at least one ancestor raped by the Mongols, anyone descended from any mixed union during the various periods when the Turks ruled over huge chunks of Europe going as far northwest as Austria, etc.

I think that race is visible and people who have more of their genes coming from one than the other are obviously going to appear to be more of that one than of the other. However, I still think that the Magyars, Paraguayans, Guyanese and Trinidadians (everyone there is taught growing up to call adults "uncle" and "auntie" regardless of whether or not they are related or even the same color - as I understand, this practice originated in India), and Filipinos (rare is a Pinoy who doesn't claim at least some Spanish, Chinese, or Moro blood in their nuclear and/or extended family) have a pragmatically superior approach to familial, cultural, and national preservation and growth by, as seamlessly as possible, incorporating new DNA and physical traits into their populations while rejecting multiculturalism and pushing everyone to assimilate and adopt the same or at least nearly the same cultural values. Nationalism and cultural chauvinism does not necessarily mean ethno-nationalism.

I would also site Russia as another good example of this in practice. Russia has all kinds of ethnicities and races within its borders carrying Russian passports but Russia doesn't mess around when it comes to assimilation. Everyone speaks Russian and holds certain core values or else the get sent back home. In that way, a Tuvan from Kyzyl or a Korean from Ussuriysk is just as Russian where it counts (core values, language, participation in national society, military service, etc.) as a white Russian from Novgorod.

I personally am of the view that this is the most pragmatic and realistic way to preserve and grow a culture and/or nation in the long term.

In many if not most cases, it may be more likely that you will find someone who ticks all of your non-race formula hierarchy boxes within your own racial group. However, this is mainly due to the likelihood that you will be physically around such people (and they around you) more than you will be around those who are not of your same racial background. Most people do and always have married within their race for the same reason that most people have never moved to another country or even another city, that being because it is easier and more comfortable for most people to stay where they are. Nothing wrong with that. If you find someone of a different race who ticks the boxes though, I see no reason why they shouldn't be considered a serious mating candidate or why serious efforts can't be made to assimilate them into your group(s) or vice versa (I mean real effort not the magic soil "here is your passport because you invested or lived here a while and you're 100% Canadian now" crap).

Also, if the race, consisting almost entirely of people I don't know and will never have anything to do with, many of whom are in fact my enemies, demands all of my reproductive effort as well as mandating that I sacrifice my happiness and the family, tribe, cultural community, and nation I could have had in order to serve it but provides me with no benefit that any of those things I just listed don't already give me, then I call that a bad deal and the race can kindly kiss the palest part of my ass.

I'm not a complete loner and I do have a sense of duty and hereditary loyalty but those things do not extend to people I know don't care about or share any values in common with me. I'm not God and my love is not boundless or unconditional. I prefer to reserve it for those who reciprocate.

All that said, if you want to marry and breed with a white woman, I see no problem with that and I will not be the guy chastising you or standing in your way. You do you.

[Waqqle]

As for feeling lost and confused, and I apologize for writing so much here (that's just my style), I have found that, the more I focus on family, tribe, cultural community, and nation, the more each of those things materializes in my life and the less lost and confused I feel.

To close out, I'll include some successful examples of assimilation here for fun in case anyone is just a world history and geography nerd like I am.

This is Oshen, a musical celebrity in Papua New Guinea who every PNGan I've met knows of. Some like his music and others prefer other artists but they've pretty much all claimed him as one of theirs. His parents were American missionaries and he was raised in papua New Guinea. He speaks Tok Pisin and at least one tribal language. According to one of the Papua New Guinean guys I went to university with, his tattoos are also tribal and he joined a tribe (though I'm not sure which one).

This is 이참 (Lee Charm). He is originally German with no Korean ancestry but renounced his German citizenship to become Korean in the 80s or 90s. He then went on to become a highly respected member of society and the head of the Korea Tourism Organization by 2009 (a position he held until November of 2013 when he stepped down in very Korean fashion due to a scandal involving a prostitute while on a trip to Japan)

This is Гайтана (Haytana/Gaitana), one of the most famous and popular singers in Ukraine. She is known for basically being the originator of Russian RnB and was even Ukraine's choice to represent Ukraine at the Eurovision competition in 2012. As you can tell, she is half black. Her father is from Congo (Brazzaville) and he is now separated from her mother and living in the Congo where he runs a business. She remains a Ukrainian in Ukraine.

This is Jean Ping, a Gabonese diplomat who served as Chairperson of the Commission of the African Union from 2008 to 2012 and became an opposition leader in his country. His father is a Chinese businessman who married locally and Jean himself could hardly be described as anything other than Gabonese. It is also clear that he is respected and followed by at least a large portion of the nation's population.

This is Alberto Fujimori, president of Peru for 10 years who has gone on the record stating that Japanese, not Spanish, was his native language. If I am not mistaken, his daughter also ran for the presidency but I don't remember if she won or not. Around 20% of the general population of Peru are themselves known to have Chinese ancestry as Lima is home to the oldest Chinatown in the Americas and Chinese people have been there for centuries.



This is Wonho Chung. He is an Arabic-speaking comedian who grew up in Jordan. In this bit, he is poking fun at Filipino retail workers (Filipinos staff many retail outlets in the Arab Gulf).

Another example from Papua New Guinea, Dame Carol Kidu (in the middle) was born in Australia and moved to Papua New Guinea with her husband, the first indigenous Chief Justice of Papua New Guinea, way back in the day. She naturalized and became an MP (Member of Parliament) there which means she was able to secure the respect and votes of at least a significant portion of the population in the areas she represented. She has served as Opposition Leader and leader of the Melanesian Alliance Party. I don't personally care for women in politics but I don't think it can be said that she hasn't assimilated.



Born in Honk Kong to Irish parents and shown here wearing traditional Filipino attire, this is Josephine Bracken, wife of the Philippine national hero, José Rizal. Having completed all of my university studies in the Philippines, I can tell you that all students are required to learn about her in history class, even at the university level, and she is highly respected. After her husband was assassinated by the Spaniards (who ruled the Philippines at that time), she joined revolutionary (Philippine independence from Spain) forces in Cavite province, where she took care of sick and wounded soldiers and helped operate reloading jigs for Mauser cartridges at the Imus Arsenal under revolutionary general Pantaleón García. She was present at the Tejeros Convention (the first presidential election in Philippine history) before being forcibly expelled from the country by the Spanish Governor-General. Upon returning to Hong Kong, now a widow, she eventually married another Filipino guy and is known in the Philippines as having been one of the major female figures in the independence movement. José Rizal's bust and/or statue is, by law (as far as I understand), present in the central square of every city in the country and he is to the Philippines what William of Orange was to the Dutch, only probably even much more so as I don't think statues of him are required in the central square of all cities in the Netherlands so you can imagine how well known Josephine Bracken is in the Philippines.



There are no videos about this guy that I know of but he's a weird case. Bruce Conde was born American who served in the US Army 82nd Airborne during WWII and became an officer in the US Army. He later moved to the Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen (North Yemen), renounced his US citizenship, converted to Islam, and became head of the country's philatelic office as well as a royalist general in the country's civil war. He was later removed from his position and had his passport revoked for standard banana republic political reasons.

[Leonard D Neubache]

By definition you are choosing examples of people so rare and distinctive that they clearly don't represent the typical outcome.

A German going to the Congo to raise a half-German family is going to have a much more difficult life culturally than if he stayed in Germany and married a German woman.

Likewise his kids are going to have a much tougher life than they would if he'd stayed in Germany and married German.

Could he go on to become the King of the Congo if he expatriated? Maybe. Who fucking knows. Is it at all likely? Fuck no.

Again. Mixed race kids and/or ex-national parents are not doomed to misery by default, but an honest an logical analysis makes it clear that they and their children will have additional hurdles in life that would otherwise not be present.

Will they sidestep other issues? Sure. The German in the Congo will likely never be knifed by an Afghan refugee. His wife will probably be a lot wilder in the sack.

People need to determine what's important to them and make the appropriate sacrifices. Putting on rose coloured glasses that one way or the other is superior for everyone is simply nonsense.

[Waqqle]

(02-13-2019 12:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

By definition you are choosing examples of people so rare and distinctive that they clearly don't represent the typical outcome.

True. Unfortunately, the normal people don't tend to make it into the history books so I can't gather up much info about them. The only real record we have of such folks is the genetic one. I could mention Жан Грегуар Сагбо (Jean Gregoire Sagbo), who is originally from Benin and is now an elected municipal councilor in a rural part of Russia, or mention that I've met Iranian and Indian guys who married and assimilated in the Philippines (and had mixed-race Filipino children - one of whom is now one of the top dentists in the country) as well as a white Catholic priest who ran a radio show there for years and was often said to be "more Filipino than most Filipinos" but they are not widely famous so not much has been written about them and I would not be able to find images or videos of them. People like that are a lot more numerous than commonly thought though.

(02-13-2019 12:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

A German going to the Congo to raise a half-German family is going to have a much more difficult life culturally than if he stayed in Germany and married a German woman.

Perhaps in the Congo but maybe not in São Tomé and Príncipe. Then again, perhaps, because of his particular situation, he might stand to do better in the Congo than he can in Germany. 이참 (Lee Charm) could surely have been a successful member of German society but he correctly determined that he could be even more successful as a Korean and he decided to make the jump.

(02-13-2019 12:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Likewise his kids are going to have a much tougher life than they would if he'd stayed in Germany and married German.

Not necessarily. I think I probably would have had an easier time growing up in another country but that's a personal example. This will be different for everyone and vary depending on many things.

(02-13-2019 12:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Could he go on to become the King of the Congo if he expatriated? Maybe. Who fucking knows. Is it at all likely? Fuck no.

Agreed, when choosing to join a particular community or another, I think it is best to make a realistic cost-benefit analysis of one's own personal situation and what they stand to both gain and lose from making the choice to venture out. I do also suspect that those who venture out for the long term tend more often than not to be of a self select group and they may tend to possess more traits which are likely to make them more successful in this than a normal person might. For this reason, among others, I don't think it is right to compel people to do something like expatriate or join another cultural community or nation if they don't want to, though this has unfortunately happened throughout history without the consent of the compelled.

(02-13-2019 12:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Again. Mixed race kids and/or ex-national parents are not doomed to misery by default, but an honest a logical analysis makes it clear that they and their children will have additional hurdles in life that would otherwise not be present.

Will they sidestep other issues? Sure. The German in the Congo will likely never be knifed by an Afghan refugee. His wife will probably be a lot wilder in the sack.

People need to determine what's important to them and make the appropriate sacrifices. Putting on rose coloured glasses that one way or the other is superior for everyone is simply nonsense.

I agree. It ultimately comes down to a cost-benefit analysis and the result of that analysis will be different for different individuals given their own individual circumstances. No matter what, we will all face hurdles in life. The game, in my mind at least, is deciding which hurdles we want to face and which potential benefits are of the highest priority for us.

[Atlanta Man]

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