[Nater]

OP ask your family friends to give you an opinion on your girl. If I am in your shoes and she's like you describe her in the OP, I would marry her. Don't ditch her because you read about some white pussy paradise in the FSU. I'd prefer to marry a girl who share a similar background in the best scenario but if I am 41 having a wife from my own background wouldn't be the first priority. Time is of the essence. My best friend tells me that he wants to marry young, because his dad was old when he was growing up. I kid you not. According to what you wrote in the OP, your gf fits a lot of wife material criteria. Also,for interracial marriage there are couples out there who have stayed together married for more than 30 years. Some of them do a poor job when it comes to educating their kids about their culture, background but not all of them I think. So if you care about your own background and culture, you just have to put in the effort when it comes to raising your kids.

[Waqqle]

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Post: #121 (The one with all the Hungarian photos)

I am not saying that anyone has to marry anyone en masse or that such a thing will happen. I try (though maybe not always successfully) to be more realistic than that, which is why I also can't say that pursuing racial purity/preservation to the detriment of personal happiness and the other factors in the formula hierarchy

(Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race)

is a doomed and pointless effort that is far more likely to produce confused and resentful offspring than a mixed situation in which the higher priority items in the formula hierarchy are checked.

I also can't say that pursuing racial purity/preservation to the detriment of personal happiness and the other factors in the formula hierarchy is anything other than a doomed and pointless effort that is far more likely to produce confused and resentful offspring than a mixed situation in which the higher priority items in the formula hierarchy are checked.


*The edit timer got me. I know that multitasking is impossible and yet I attempt it anyway.

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(02-08-2019 08:38 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  

I'm thinking I should just live in the now and enjoy our relationship for what it is, but when it's gets to make or break time, then I'll break it off, honour my lineage and start my European wife hunting. I want my children to have a strong ethnic identity and be proud of it.
On the other hand, am I letting the globalists 'win' here in a sense because I am reacting to their agenda (even by trying to push against it)? The thought of a little mini-me but with a tan also has appeal (but not a chance to have frizzy hair). Our kids would be very attractive and have a great mother, which is a good gift I'd like to give them. Has my mind just invented another reason not to commit to someone and move forward in life?

Did you just throw this hand grenade of a thread and then walk away?

You children's ethnic identity can be whatever you choose. I have a good friend who is Japanese married to a black woman. I see his daughter doing math like a human calculator... she says "I'm Asian... I can do this!!". A few hours later she is kicking ass on the soccer field and says "I'm african... I can do this!!". My point is that she doesn't pick just ONE heritage. She is equally proud of both. Your children can be like that.

Listen to me very seriously. I was in your situation as a young man. I fell in love with a black/brazillian woman who looks almost exactly like Halle Berry. She was pretty much everything I could ever have wanted, but I let petty bullshit issues like what you are describing keep me from locking her down. Instead she moved to London and married this guy that looks like fucking prince charles... mousy looking fucker. They have 2 beautiful kids.

Instead I married a tall beautiful blond woman and had a 10 year relationship so shitty that I have PTSD worse than my buddies who served in Afghanistan. I finally dumped her when I caught her cheating.

At 18, I was too stupid and let one of the best women I've ever known slip away for reasons I can only today describe as stupid. I was 18... you are 41. You don't have an excuse at this point... you should know how fucking hard it is to find quality women. You think you can find perfection in Europe?... good lucky my friend!

[pirate]

(02-13-2019 02:42 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

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Post: #121 (The one with all the Hungarian photos)

I am not saying that anyone has to marry anyone en masse or that such a thing will happen. I try (though maybe not always successfully) to be more realistic than that, which is why I also can't say that pursuing racial purity/preservation to the detriment of personal happiness and the other factors in the formula hierarchy

(Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race)

is a doomed and pointless effort that is far more likely to produce confused and resentful offspring than a mixed situation in which the higher priority items in the formula hierarchy are checked.

I also can't say that pursuing racial purity/preservation to the detriment of personal happiness and the other factors in the formula hierarchy is anything other than a doomed and pointless effort that is far more likely to produce confused and resentful offspring than a mixed situation in which the higher priority items in the formula hierarchy are checked.


*The edit timer got me. I know that multitasking is impossible and yet I attempt it anyway.

Looking to offer a perspective on the bolded from multicultural ground-zero, South Africa.

Family > Race> Cultural Community >Tribe > Nation.

I switched Nation to last, because no-one, not white or black or coloured cares about the concept of "South Africa", only their own race and community's place in it. Everything is about race. Tribe is equally unimportant- greeks, italians, afrikaners and englishmen are simply "white". The distinction between zulu and xhosa, similarily has not played a role in South African politics for three decades now.

[Waqqle]

(02-13-2019 03:39 PM)pirate Wrote:  

Looking to offer a perspective on the bolded from multicultural ground-zero, South Africa.

Family > Race> Cultural Community >Tribe > Nation.

I switched Nation to last, because no-one, not white or black or coloured cares about the concept of "South Africa", only their own race and community's place in it. Everything is about race. Tribe is equally unimportant- greeks, italians, afrikaners and englishmen are simply "white". The distinction between zulu and xhosa, similarily has not played a role in South African politics for three decades now.

Christ, South Africa. Exhibit A for how not to build and run a nation. Fuck the ANC and the EFF.

Are you still living there? I've never been but I've heard the stories. Stay safe and take care of yourself, man.

I would still order the factors as I did because I was defining tribe in the Dunbar's Number primordial hunter-gatherer sense of a small band of around 150-250 people whom you actually know and have rapport with. That further shrinks when you make distinction between your outer and inner circles. "Tribe" in the sense that you are describing is what I would consider being in the category of cultural community.

As for the race factor, as I understand it, there are plenty of white shills and auto-racists (self-hating) in South Africa, like SJWs and so on, supporting and enabling all the nonsense that is being perpetrated against whites there.

Like the fat white chick sitting at the table in this video who seems to be defending her black colleague's assertion that sorcery is more real than science because oppression or something.

Those people are white but I don't think you would likely consider them to be in your tribe (in the Dunbar's Number sense), or at least I wouldn't consider them to be in mine. I imagine neither of us would likely consider them members of any of our respective overlapping cultural communities as they surely don't share your or my views on a great many very important issues and their beliefs and values are likely vastly different and in conflict with yours and/or mine.

Many of the Zulus, who, as I understand (I could be mistaken - you surely know South Africa better than I do), also treat other blacks like shit routinely like the Khoisan people and blacks from other countries who don't speak deep Zulu/Xhosa because, despite their being of the same racial background, they are not from the same cultural communities, tribes, or families and because, apparently, a huge percentage of the Zulu population (cultural community/nation) is comprised of utter assholes who just like to fight, have been maniacally genocidal since the migration of their equally violent Bantu ancestors from the more central and northern parts of the continent, and will, once there are no whites left in South Africa, most likely proceed to carry on murdering anyone else they can blame their own shittiness on (Chinese, Malays, Indians, Khoisan, people from Mozambique and Zimbabwe, etc. - and then, finally, each other) until they have successfully purged the entire region of all human life.

From I hear, it is also very common for blacks who befriend, marry, and/or work for whites, etc. to be attacked and treated horribly by other blacks as well because said other blacks have chosen to expel them from their families, tribes, cultural communities, and/or nations (I think there are big parts of the country that are basically other nations because only Zulus can own land there and they have their own stuff going on, right?) and strip from them the protections that all of those things previously offered.

I don't know much about the various ethnic populations in South Africa so I am not sure to what extent but I'm sure that the Zulus can't be committing 100% of the hate crimes against whites and voting for 100% of the anti-white crap as they are only around 22% of the national population or something. So I am sure there is more going on there than I know or understand.

They are clearly valuing the other factors over race in this case but white people are undoubtedly the most reviled by them as, unlike these black people, the whites do not even have race in common with them and they have decided that race is something they care about because that's easier than recognizing that they are getting robbed, fucked, and cucked by the individuals they think to be "their own" (Jacob Zuma and the like) but who are actually looking out primarily for themselves, their own families, their own tribes (in the Dunbar sense), and their own elite cultural communities and couldn't spare a thought for any of their brothers in melatonin.

That said, if a person is being attacked specifically because of their race (as is the case with whites in South Africa), regardless of how important said race is or is not to them personally, then it would be foolish for them not to recognize it as a factor in what is happening to them and respond accordingly so that they can increase as much as possible their odds of survival and, God willing, either successfully fight back their attackers and secure the safety of their own person and that of those whom they care about or escape from that hopeless cess pit to seek a better tomorrow for themselves and those they care about in some other more hospitable place with more civilized people.

If you are still living in South Africa, I wish you the best. I understand if you feel tied to the land and/or you and/or your loved ones can't get out but, if you ever want to get out of there because the fight just isn't worth it, it looks like some countries are extending a helping hand and you might be able to get refugee status in a country where you will not be so culturally out of place and under threat.

*Again, I'm not there, I've never been there, and I'm not an expert on the region so this is just my take on what little I know and understand about the situation.


Take care man, and don't let those bastards kill you.

[JackinMelbourne]

(02-13-2019 02:20 PM)Nater Wrote:  

OP ask your family friends to give you an opinion on your girl. If I am in your shoes and she's like you describe her in the OP, I would marry her. Don't ditch her because you read about some white pussy paradise in the FSU.

This is one of the better responses to this thread. Most of the issues and insecurities stemming from inter-cultural marriages relate to extended family problems and *everyone else*, not the couple and the kid(s).

Prime example is this thread. There are guys who are angry about it and guys who are saying go for it. It's other people's issues and views that are affecting your decision.

Grow balls, do whatever YOU want to do and only *accept* input from people who you trust or respect. You may need to limit your input to ONLY those people because your subconscious mind is not selective and you'll end up with internal confusion. But that's a big topic for another thread!

[nomadbrah]

The solution is obviously to have two separate families OP.

One divorced white hag, with enough fertility to grant you a white son to carry on your legacy and then your brown love interest, who might or might not deliver future heir-spoilers to your lineage.

A female friend of my mother's discovered that her father had a secret family in Polynesia. They now have a bunch of half-siblings in the pacific.

It's been done before, so get at it.

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(02-13-2019 05:22 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

The solution is obviously to have two separate families OP.
One divorced white hag, with enough fertility to grant you a white son to carry on your legacy and then your brown love interest, who might or might not deliver future heir-spoilers to your lineage.

Bad idea. First, no white girl is going to pass up free money... so your ass better be living in a country where she can't get child support from you. Second, without being in the household actively raising your son, she is going to mindfuck him. Finally, you don't know what other kinds of men that some beat up old white hag is going to bring around your son. My cousin has a friend whose millionaire step dad made him live in the garage, while the bio kids each had bedrooms bigger than NYC apartments. That poor kid is mentally fucked forever.

[RawGod]

(02-13-2019 10:19 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

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You're quite mistaken about Hungarian people. Or at least, you are following some kind of "one drop rule" whereby as Hungarians may have less than 1/100 of non-European blood, you insist on emphasising that rather than the 99%.
Here is a map of European haplogroups which tells the story for the whole continent:


You can see that European peoples are a mix of three main groups, "Atlantic" (red), "Slavic" (orange) and "Nordic" (light green). However, few nations have more than 50% of any one of these, and there are a large number of other admixtures. So take a look at Hungarians. They are indeed closest to Austrians and Slovakians. There is a pink "Q" element, which is Hunnic/Central Asian. This is about 3-4% from eyeballing the pie chart, and is in common with Romanians and Eastern Slavs and not unique to Hungarians.

You make incorrect claims about Mongolian/East Asian/Gypsy blood, which is so trace as to be negligeable. The waters are muddied a bit because some right-wing Hungarians love to claim kinship with the East as a matter of ideology and folklore. However, the facts are that A) the Eastern blood is Turkic/Uralic not East Asian and is a small part of the Hungarian genome and B) modern Hungarians are not the descendants of the Magyar hordes from 900AD but are a mixed European people who adopted their language.

You make a claim about Attila the Hun as if his name indicates a genetic legacy to the Hungarian people. Attila was not Magyar and appeared in Pannonia 400 years before the Magyar invasions. Any relation to Hungarian people is a matter of folklore.

Simply put, all Europeans are very mixed genetically and obviously in terms of gene flow Eurasia is one continent. The Urals are not a biological barrier, it's a cultural one. Also, Hungarians are not disjunct from their neighbours genetically.

[Rorogue]

Lol can we stop bumping this thread? Every time I click on the 'Game' forum and see this title first, it's triggering me
(Only being lighthearted)

[PixelFree]

Hey guys, just FYI I do log in a read this from my phone at work. If my work caught me even reading this thread, I'd be out the door within a week. It's that bad here. It's moving quicker than I can read and digest, but let me just add a few things.

I number closed a hot blonde/blue eyed 21 year old Australian chick last night. She mentioned multiple times how she 'never wants kids' and how they would be a 'hassle', and how she wants to 'live life' and doesn't want to get married. Obviously she's young, but still, this girl has been full on programmed.

I don't really care about 'race purity'. Previous girlfriends have been all kinds of colours and people, never cared about this ever before in the past.

These thoughts simply come from the fact that I can see the obvious attempt to program me to procreate with a woman of another very different race. I see many of these posters every day and on TV - you can't miss them.

Add to this the programming that I'm bad because I'm white, and my country sucks, and my flag is racist, and I should feel sorry and give all my money away to everyone that I have apparently 'wronged'.

Now, the reaction I would expect *anybody* to have to this - no matter if you're white, black, or whatever, is to say 'fuck you!' and push back against this agenda. That's it.

If I did proceed with this women, we'd have very good looking kids. My sons would be lady killers for sure. My daughters, little princesses. This women is tall and has a kind of suave / swagger / soul I can't describe. She's really cool.

Also, on her mothering abilities, she currently works in childcare - today (and every working day) she's looking after 4x 5 year olds, playing nice with them, changing their pants when they wet themselves, calming them down when they are upset, etc. These kids are in love with her and have bonded with her more than they have their actual parents. It's like she's a professional mother.

I think it's natural for me to have these thoughts - nobody likes to be told what to do, especially when it comes to what type of partner or family to have. I don't want to grow up with kids who 'hate' me because *I*, the white guy, 'stole' the wealth of their country or some other bullshit. Nor to do I want them to have identity issues. I had mild identity issues myself as a kid being from 2 very different white countries, growing up in one and living in another, and all the while I look like I'd fit into any of them.

Just the other day I was walking behind a dark African looking guy who was pissed because some lady asked if he was from Africa (he is American with a strong American accent). This lady didn't mean any malice, it was a genuine / normal question, but perhaps it uncovered an insecurity (or at least a constantly annoying thing in this persons life), as displayed by some responses to this thread as well.

Closer to home, I have four mixed race first cousins who primarily identify with their non-white ethnicities (as if the white side is 'bad'), yet are rejected by some of their friends in that other ethnic group 'you're not a real xyz'. Maybe it's a big deal for them, maybe it's not, I don't really know. Maybe they consider themselves just as 'human' and it's all good. One of my best mates (white guy) married a Sri Lankan lady, and her father had a huge problem with it. It's been tough for him.

But yeah, mainly it's because I want to fuck the globalists and tell them to shove it.

Will keep reading and processing - thank you all again for your input.

[RawGod]

(02-14-2019 04:47 AM)PixelFree Wrote:  

Just the other day I was walking behind a dark African looking guy who was pissed because some lady asked if he was from Africa (he is American with a strong American accent). This lady didn't mean any malice, it was a genuine / normal question, but perhaps it uncovered an insecurity (or at least a constantly annoying thing in this persons life), as displayed by some responses to this thread as well.

The problem is that people are being told that such a question is racist and they're now primed to be hostile about this stuff, instead of just taking the question on its merits. The media messaging is really ripping the guts out of society.

[Waqqle]

(02-14-2019 01:00 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

You're shooting yourself in the foot by giving me this map.

I'll operate on the premise that you set here:

(02-14-2019 01:00 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

European peoples are a mix of three main groups, "Atlantic" (red), "Slavic" (orange) and "Nordic" (light green)

*Note to anyone reading: On the top of the chart itself, it says generally where all of the haplogroups (E3b, J1, Q, etc.) originate from.

For simplicity, will say "teal" for "light green" (Haplogroup l1) because that is more specific as there are two other green haplogroups on the map (Haplogroup J1 and J2) that we could potentially mix up if we describe them all as any kind of green.

I also just want to use this image:



Second, the "orange" is actually yellow if you are referring to Haplogroup R1a, which is listed at the top as representing "Slavic, Kurgan, Aryan." The orange is E3b, which is listed as "Greek, Near Eastern, North African." "Near Eastern" and "North African" basically means Arab and Berber/Amazigh (mixed Arab and sub-Saharan African).

On a side note, I notice that J1 and J2 are both listed at the top but only "J" (green) appears to be represented in any of the pie charts. I do not know who created this map but I can't help but wonder if this is an attempt to mask the presence and quantity of Jewish/"Arab" blood (there are already Arab groups listed for other haplogroups, so I suspect this to be another way of saying Middle Eastern Jewish) by throwing it (J1) into the same segment (J2) as Greco-Roman (very close to and, for millennia, belonging to the same empire as Turkey - Rome and Byzantium), Anatolian (Turk), and Mesopotamian (Iraqi Arab from around the Tigris-Euphrates river system - very not in Europe) because perhaps admitting Ashkenazi ancestry, no matter how distant, is a bridge too far for some. This is only my own speculation, does not reflect you personally, and is based on nothing outside of the pie chart map itself.

Having that established and looking at the Hungarian pie chart on the map, we can see that these three haplogroups that you mention (R1b, R1a, and l1a) constitute, at the very most, 55% to 60% of the pie. This means that, by your own terms and definitions of them, Hungarians are, on average, only up to around 60% white as that is roughly the percentage of their pie chart which those three haplogroups cover. The rest of the haplogroups represented in the Hungarian pie chart originate from various parts of Asia, Africa, and the Middle East (including Haplogroup J1, which represents Jewish DNA and comprises what appears to be around 10% of the pie chart for both Hungary and Austria).



Even if I grant you a freebie (Haplogroup l2a - South Slavic, Sardinian), we still don't come up to even 70% white for Hungarians (I'm estimating the exact percentages based on the visible representation of the segments of the pie chart). However, Haplogroup l2a is not really a freebie as it is known to have originated in Africa and be found primarily there and in the Levant (Middle East around Lebanon, Syria, and Israel). I'm not sure how the makers of this map came to name this haplogroup "South Slavic" but I'm only working off of the data and terms provided.

As a side note, and this is kind of side tracking, I was correct about Hungarians being less purely white than Austrians, again, as we are going off of this chart and the terms you provided. Both Hungarians and Austrians seem to possess roughly equal portions of R1a and R1b (red and yellow) but the Austrian pie chart contains a larger segment for l1a (Nordic), making them technically more white in accordance with the rules we have established here.

Also, Haplogroup N (dark purple/violet), which is listed as "Uralo-Finnic, Siberian" refers to the Ural mountain range in the Asian part of Russia where the Uralic languages come from and to Siberia, which stretches farther east than that all the way to Chukchi and Alaska. This haplogroup is essentially Asian. Siberian people (such as Yakuts/Sakha and so on) are basically the wellspring of Native American/First Nations indigenous populations and many of them still herd reindeer and live in teepees. They are actually pretty cool.

These are Yakuts in Siberia:



This explains why epicanthic folds and more Asiatic features (like noses) are more common in Finland, especially in the Sami people, than in other European countries.




So, if we are operating on the premise that the three haplogroups you listed as being the "three main groups" of European, we can come to a couple of conclusions.

First, the northwest of Europe is decidedly less white than the east and the south (this is not shocking as the northeast is more remote and climatically inhospitable) and the blurry lines between the two exists somewhere around the western borders of Austria and the Czech Republic and the northern borders of Italy, Croatia, and Portugal.

Second, A very large part of native Europe is close to or below being 50% white. This includes Portugal, Italy, Greece (recognized by most as the birthplace of at least a large part of Western civilization, including its forms of government, philosophy, science, art, literature, medicine, etc. as well as a very large part of all the languages - especially scientific and medical terminology), Croatia, Romania, Albania, Ukraine, Russia, Finland, Serbia, etc.

Third, it would appear to be the case that Hungarians and Austrians both are actually more closely related to Turks than either of them are to Irish or Icelandic. Given geography and history, this is not surprising.


I know I am giving the impression that, when you said "three main groups," you meant "three only groups." I don't know if that was your intent but I'll assume it was not and reiterate that all of the haplogroups outside of those three you specifically mentioned are known to have originated somewhere outside of Europe (namely Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, which is essentially the border country between Asia and Africa, hence the "Middle" part of its name). I don't want to be unfair to you so I felt that I should be clear on that.

Race is not a social construct but it is also not as simple as being purely black and white. This is one of many reasons why I think that my formula holds true.

Family > Tribe > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

When people start moving race up that hierarchy in front of the other things, at least from what I have observed, it very nearly always (if not always) appears to be because they are experiencing a deficit in one or more (usually more) of the higher priority factors and resorting to "I am white and therefor..." is easier than saying "I don't have as many friends as I would like, I've lost my faith in the higher power(s) I grew up believing in, I inherited a degenerate culture and it is easier in my mind to resurrect some historically inaccurate phantasm of a pre-Christian Pagan religion and culture that were much worse than I know or understand than it is to create a new one or join another currently living one, and I sure wish I had talked to my dad more before he died." I'm not making a personal judgement about you. That is only my conclusion based on what I have observed in my life and travels.


As for what I have said about culture, nation, family, etc. in my previous posts, that all still stands.


The following is only my personal opinion:

If you want to marry and have kids with a woman who looks very white and/or (for non-white guys reading this) very similar to yourself and your relatives, there is nothing wrong with that but there is really no philosophical or moral reason to do it (all else such as values, religion, etc. being the same) other than just because that is the aesthetic you like because that is ultimately all it is. Your kids are going to have challenges in life, being thrown under the bus by government, getting bullied at school (I got bullied waaay more than any non-white in my schools kid growing up), etc. regardless of their race and, when any of that stuff happens to them, it is more often than not probably going to be the cause of some other thing about them such as being autistic in my case or being poor/rich/dumb/smart/antisocial/awkward/fat/skinny/having a birthmark on their face/ etc. than for looking mostly like one race or another.

If your kids are a different race, maybe they'll get picked on for that. If they are of the same race, then their dirtbag peers will just find something else different about them to bully them for. Before whites arrived in South Africa, the Zulus were already genocoding the Khoisan people. People suck and, when there are no obvious differences to be found or enemies to blame, differences and enemies will be looked for and/or made up. It's not your fault if your child's peers are fatherless future convicts. Teach your children to fight or move to a more civilized area (get out of South Africa - that place is ass and you are just the scapegoat of the day; another will be found when you are gone). I'm not discounting any problems, only suggesting a solution that is less radical and more realistically attainable than your neighborhood remaining completely genetically homogenous for your entire lifetime in this age in which a plane ticket across the ocean costs less than a 3-piece suit.

There will be dickheads who get them crap and treat them worse for racial reasons (I've been there) but most of the crap they will have to deal with in life will be mostly if not entirely unrelated and will have far more to do with the higher priority formula factors which are, again (this is for people who are just now tuning in - I'm not trying to spam you), family, tribe (in the sense of Dunbar's Number), cultural community (including religion), and nation (may or may not be state recognized by the UN).

In the same way that, if we only focus on the females who are not interested in us, they will be the only females we see and we will make incels of ourselves, we can expect that, if we focus only on the handful of times that someone is directly racist towards us, we will not see all of the other times (almost all of the time) when nobody gives a shit because they are too busy worrying about how to make rent on time and not get fucked to hard by the elites from on high to be concerned with you or your kids.

There is definitely an anti-white and anti-male bias in the Western media but there is no reason to throw away your own happiness, family, tribe, etc. because some bigots in San Fransisco are putting out racial messages in the media constantly, pigeon-holing you into whatever they decide the white box is and telling you what that means, and you want to make a statement to them. You're just letting them win then. That is like becoming a tranny because the media is saturated with anti-male media (I've said this before but, when I say "you" in this way, I do not mean you personally but the universal hypothetical "you").

As I've said before, if you want to marry a white woman, go for it. I'm not going to stop your or make fun of you for it. But the only justification for it is the same perfectly reasonable justification I will have when I go with a non-white woman: that's just what I like aesthetically and I see no compelling reason to turn this woman away.

[nomadbrah]

This is the actual genetic makeup of Hungarians:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/02/for...ian-y.html



I1b is the second oldest european haplogroup (only surpassed by nordic I1a). It's 30-40.000 years old stone age European.

Hungarians have 4% semittic DNA, 5-10% north african/levantine (likely jews) and less than 1% of the Asian N haplogroup.

This is not surprising as the Magyar, Huns, Turks and the like, were already made up of 90% Europeans by the time they entered Europe proper. Erdogan speaks a central asian language, but likely has sub 1% mongol DNA.

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(02-14-2019 04:47 AM)PixelFree Wrote:  

I number closed a hot blonde/blue eyed 21 year old Australian chick last night. She mentioned multiple times how she 'never wants kids' and how they would be a 'hassle', and how she wants to 'live life' and doesn't want to get married. Obviously she's young, but still, this girl has been full on programmed.

These thoughts simply come from the fact that I can see the obvious attempt to program me to procreate with a woman of another very different race. I see many of these posters every day and on TV - you can't miss them.

Add to this the programming that I'm bad because I'm white, and my country sucks, and my flag is racist, and I should feel sorry and give all my money away to everyone that I have apparently 'wronged'.

Will keep reading and processing - thank you all again for your input.

If you are making life altering decisions based on the liberal agenda... then you already let them win. You should instead be focused on doing what is best for you and your own future regardless of what those arseholes think and do.

Also... keep in mind that advertisements with mixed race couples are both virtue signaling by the companies that use them... and reflective of a growing segment of the western world. Keep in mind that this social agenda isn't aimed at you. It's aimed almost exclusively at women who are so stupid they actually make life decisions based on this kind of marketing.

[Waqqle]

Being Hungarian is more important than just being white. I suspect that most Hungarians would agree with me on that and I know that the government does because, if it did not, then Hungarian citizenship would be freely and universally available to all people who look mostly white.

In the same way, being Japanese or Korean is more important than just being Asian or even NE Asian. If you doubt that, I recommend telling a Korean national that Koreans are the same as Japanese and observing their response. If you ask a Protestant Korean if they are the same as a Buddhist Korean, you will see that religious affiliation also matters more than race (religion being under the umbrella of cultural community and a person can belong to multiple overlapping cultural communities).

If you ask a Korean farmer who married a Filipina (10% of Korean marriages are international) whether he cares more about his mixed children than he does about some other random ethnic Korean he doesn't know, you will, unless he is a pretty bad father, find that family also is more important than race.

As far as tribe, it is obvious that a person will tend to care more about and feel closer to the people they actually know and spend time with than people they do not know and will never meet but happen to share some ancient genes with.

nomadbrah Wrote:

the Magyar, Huns, Turks and the like, were already made up of 90% Europeans by the time they entered Europe proper. Erdogan speaks a central asian language, but likely has sub 1% mongol DNA.

Several non-European groups originating from far outside of Europe were already 90% European prior to ever existing in Europe and they primarily left behind genetic haplogroups which are known to be more ancient than the only one known to be indigenous to the European continent (I'm getting to that) and to have originated in locations very distant from Europe despite themselves being 90% European?

I believe I may be misunderstanding something. Don't let me mischaracterize your statements. What are you basing this on and what is "Europe proper?"

nomadbrah Wrote:

Erdogan speaks a central asian language, but likely has sub 1% mongol DNA.

Despite the fact that the Asian segments of Turkey's pie chart on the map represent significantly more than 1%? I suppose Erdogan could possibly be a weird genetic outlier in his ancestral homeland and I don't have his personal DNA breakdown to prove that he is not, but I think this unlikely.

nomadbrah Wrote:

I1b is the second oldest european haplogroup (only surpassed by nordic I1a). It's 30-40.000 years old stone age European.

The origin of Haplogroup L1 (l1b and l1c), which is a maternal haplogroup, is most widely believed to have originated in Central Africa between 100,000 and 170,000 years ago and is most commonly found today in Central and West Africa. Source




I am not a geneticist but, from what I understand, Haplogroup l1a is a descendant branch (mutation) of Haplogroup I-M253, which, as far as I understand, is itself a recent (within the past 30,000 years) mutation of Haplogroup L1 (the one from Central Africa).

Haplogroup I-M253, which is a paternal haplogroup, is indigenous to the European continent, specifically northern Europe, and did appear first around 28,000 years ago. This is the only haplogroup known to be indigenous to Europe and the territory with the highest concentration of this haplogroup on Earth is Scandinavia where just around half of the male population has it (meaning it may or may not be their largest haplogroup; they just have some amount of it). Source

Haplogroup I-M253 Map:



As this haplogroup is the first and only one known to have ever originated in Europe and we are measuring the degree to which someone is or is not white based upon what percentage of their haplogroups originated in Europe, it can be said that Västra Götaland County in Sweden and Satakunta Province in Finland are probably the two whitest places that exist or ever have existed with just over half of their respective populations carrying what we might more humorously call the white gene.

Likewise, if having less of this haplogroup makes a person less white, which it would if we are still playing by the rules, then most of Europe is already not purely white.

*This is not entirely relevant but it is interesting that Haplogroup I-M253 predates rs12913832(G) mutation in the HERC2 gene (the mutation that produced the first blue-eyed person ever) by around 20,000 years. Source


All of this said, we are really splitting hairs at this point, reaching back tens of thousands of years as we are to discover the sexual histories of ancient cloud-worshipping savages whom we never knew and will never have any contact with unless we meet them in the afterlife in order to determine how few branches there are on our respective extended family trees.

I still think this racial stuff ranges from not very important to irrelevant, that it is not a useful or pragmatic thing to focus on, and that my formula is correct.

Family > Tribe (Dunbar's Number) > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

Griffin Peterson got it (this is not a statement, it's just funny and related to what we are talking about):

*This does not matter but I would actually like for you to be right about white people being more pure and indigenous to Europe than most of us are because I like the idea of getting with women who are as far away from me genetically as possible. However, science and history just don't seem to back that up. I guess there must have always been weirdos like me venturing out and diversifying the gene pool.

Or, more likely, ancient people did not know anything about DNA or haplogroups and were too busy making sure that they built and maintained a web of relationships with family, tribe, culture, and nation to strengthen and back them up against their neighbors to really care very much how any of them physically arrived where they were or came to share the same values and enemies.

[TheMost]

To the OP, I'd like you to consider the following real life stories:

You are out with your kids. They walk 5 feet away and are playing. A kindly woman walks up right in front of them and asks "where are your parents? are you here alone?"

Your wife goes to the airport. She phones you all pissed off because people said how beautiful the children are... she must be proud to be their nanny.

You don't get invited to social events. Scholarships and various open doors that you expect for your kids just don't materialize. Without the social connections, your career doesn't go as far or fast as it should, and you aren't providing for your family in the way you expected to, and this adds stress to the marriage. Your wife hits the wall, and the doors you thought would be open to her because she has minority status, well, they aren't. Because she's married to you.

Anyway, something to keep in mind.

[Waqqle]

(02-14-2019 02:16 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

Lol can we stop bumping this thread? Every time I click on the 'Game' forum and see this title first, it's triggering me
(Only being lighthearted)

Hippitus bippitus bop! This thread is back on top.





Sorry, Rorogue. I like you, but I could't resist.

[Waqqle]

[quote] (02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

To the OP, I'd like you to consider the following real life stories:[/quote]

Whose real life is this?

[quote] (02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

You are out with your kids. They walk 5 feet away and are playing. A kindly woman walks up right in front of them and asks "where are your parents? are you here alone?"[/quote]

Why are you letting that pedophile talk to your kids? Why aren't you calling the racially integrated police?

[quote] (02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

Your wife goes to the airport. She phones you all pissed off because people said how beautiful the children are... she must be proud to be their nanny.[/quote]

Who in the modern world jumps immediately to such a conclusion as "you're a servant girl, aren't you?"

Even if they do, who cares about a bunch of random strangers (probably very old senior citizens who grew up in another time before band aids and color television) at an airport that you are only in for a layover in a city you will probably never actually go out and visit or return to?

[quote] (02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

You don't get invited to social events.[/quote]

Why does your tribe (Dunbar's Number) suck so much. Why are you not joining or creating a new one?

It is not in any way difficult to find people who will not shun you solely because you have a dark-skinned wife. That sort of attitude is exceedingly and increasingly rare throughout the world these days. In my entire lifetime and in all the countries I have been to, I may have briefly encountered 1 or 2 people whom I suspected might possibly be like that. 1 or 2 in 26 years is not anywhere near a lot.

Go to a meetup group or take a music class. It's not hard to meet people who are not horrible bigoted dickheads. Such people are such a tiny minority that they are almost insignificant.

Even the KKK, as much as it is talked about, only has about 5000 - 8000 members in total throughout all of its existing chapters. That's the population of a single very small town in Missouri. You can easily avoid them in the same way that you can easily avoid ever having to set foot in that awful state, and, if you don't go looking for them, it is entirely possible that you will go your whole life without ever encountering one of them. You are several times more likely to randomly bump into a Raëlian than a Klansman, which is good because I imagine the Raëlians are more fun.

Why would you want to be in such a person's social circle anyway? It can't be for the career networking opportunities. Is it for the chewing tobacco? Or, for the Nation of Islam and Black Hebrew Israelite fellows, is it for the perpetual unemployment, juvenile incarceration, and premature death by intra-ethnic gun violence?

[quote] (02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

Scholarships and various open doors that you expect for your kids just don't materialize.[/quote]

Why wouldn't they materialize?

You can even lie on the form. One of my Tamil friends said he was black on his college applications and he got accepted everywhere. What were they going to do, demand a vial of his blood and a jar of semen so they could sequence his genome and tell him in 3 weeks that he isn't black enough? (he isn't black at all)

If 30 year-old Somali migrants can be 14 year-old minors in Sweden, then your biracial kids can claim the black part of them that gets the scholarship.

[quote] (02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

Without the social connections, your career doesn't go as far or fast as it should, and you aren't providing for your family in the way you expected to, and this adds stress to the marriage.

Why don't you have social connections? That is a function of family, tribe, cultural community, and maybe nation, not race. To properly attack a problem you have to correctly identify its root cause.

[quote='TheMost' pid='1939291' dateline='1550179755']
Your wife hits the wall, and the doors you thought would be open to her because she has minority status, well, they aren't. Because she's married to you.[/quote]

Why would those doors not be open to her just because she is married to you? The kids are biracial, not her.

Possible Solution: Move out of South Africa. That place is dildos.


If you think that all of this is just normal stuff that routinely happens to mixed race families and couples, then I think you have been consuming too much mainstream media. Hollywood, Disney, etc. like to make it appear that mixing is terribly hard and that you are up against the world because that media is produced for women who like to believe that they are part of the new civil rights movement or some other righteous crusade and that way more people care about their personal lives than actually do.

The truth is that close to nobody cares, you'd be having an unusual day if someone said hello to you at the airport, much less commented on your children, and people at work are probably not even going to know your full name, much less anything about your family, and, if they do, it's probably because they are close to you (which they wouldn't be if they hated you).

[Waqqle]

@PixelFree: The programming is just because a huge portion of the population feel that their life is meaningless because they have not covered the higher priority formula factors. So, they want to join the next civil rights movement because that, they think, will fill the void and give them purpose. These individuals are always looking for and hoping to join the next civil rights movement, but there isn't one so they have to make one up. That's where the programming comes from. Also marketing to a growing demographic in the country (mixed couples and families) as these companies are ultimately trying to make money.

Best way to deal with media bigots is to laugh at and belittle them. If you marry and make kids with a white woman, it doesn't hurt them. They won't even know. If you create the next "Learn to Code" meme though, you are public enemy #1 and they will do everything, legal and illegal, that they can to shut you down. This is because you cannot terrorize or effectively rule people who don't take you seriously.

If you really just want to get at them and piss them off though, you can also be a living breathing exception to their rules and, by your very existence, invalidate everything they say. Make a joke of them.

Media Race Pimp: "White men are racist!"

White Man: "If I'm racist, then why is your sister pregnant? You'd better start learning to like white men soon because she told me it's a boy."

Media Race Pimp: "Mixed couples suffer greatly!"

White Man: "No, Tyrel. You suffer greatly because you refuse to get a real job or take responsibility for yourself. I can be your character reference if you'd like."

Media Race Pimp: "Biracial children are confused and hopeless!"

White Man: "My kids are doing fine because I'm around for them. Where are your kids, Tyrel? Oh, you don't know where they are? Color me shocked."

Media Race Pimp: "Biracial children learn to hate themselves from the media!"

White Man: "Whose fault is that, Tyrel? We don't have a TV always on as background noise and my kids don't have smartphones so that's not an issue for us."

Media Race Pimp: "White men are keeping blacks down!"

White Man: "I'm not keeping you from doing anything, least of all from getting a damn job, Tyrel. I do keep your sister down occasionally but she has never complained."

Media Race Pimp: "You are just taking our women!"

White Man: "You were going to bang your sister if I hadn't? Jesus, Tyrel. Can I call someone for you? It's ok, man. We'll get you some help."

[TheMost]

Waqqle seems rather triggered. Red pill as you are, you are blind in this area, Waqqle. What say you, Leonard?

[Waqqle]

(02-14-2019 06:09 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

Waqqle seems rather triggered. Red pill as you are, you are blind in this area, Waqqle. What say you, Leonard?

Specifically, which part of my reply to your post do you disagree with?

I won't put words in Leonard's mouth or speak for him but he did already say the following in Post #103 of this thread (I bolded part of it):

Leonard D Neubache Wrote:

When? What thread? Christ, you are so fucking insecure about this. Nobody is coming for your kids or mine, and their existence does not constitute ground to prohibit people discussing reality like men.

If you can't hack the feels then bail out.

I actually repped him for that one and I concur. Why does the fact that I disagree with some statements you made mean that I must be triggered?

If you don't have a logical counter to anything I'm saying then you have the right to navigate yourself to another thread or site and, if anything I or anyone else writes challenges your worldview in a way that makes you uncomfortable, then you don't have to read it and you can stay in your safe space.

[Ouroboros]

(02-14-2019 03:45 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

Family > Tribe (Dunbar's Number) > Cultural Community > Nation > Race

I think this is accurate if you're defining 'race' as something as amorphous as 'White', 'Asian', 'Black' etc. However, if you define it more precisely as someone's ethnicity (English, Japanese, etc) then 'race' becomes largely synonymous with 'cultural community'.

I suspect that many people who talk about 'race' are really thinking about 'ethnicity', which is not merely cultural (e.g. if you picture a Japanese person you would imagine certain phenotypic characteristics, not a disembodied set of cultural traits). Furthermore, the examples you gave of individuals who had successfully integrated into another 'cultural community' had, I think, two things in common: (1) they were isolated from their original community, so that they were forced to integrate with and take on the customs of their new community due to overwhelming social pressure; and (2) - a related point - they were not accompanied by large numbers of their former kinsmen, so they did not noticeably affect the genetic and cultural characteristics of their new home (which would have also stoked the resentment of their new community, inhibiting their ability to assimilate).

It's true that Hungarians and Englishmen have a genetically diverse ancestry - but you can be sure that the means by which they became diverse (from the invasion and rape of foreign men) were even less welcome to their predecessors than modern large-scale immigration is to contemporary Englishmen and Hungarians. Fast and large-scale genetic/cultural change never was and never will be welcomed (except with self-hating white people with misplaced historical guilt).

I'm not necessarily refuting anything you've said, and I'm certainly not suggesting that someone of a different race cannot assimilate into a new community or that interracial marriage is wrong (I'd happily impregnate a Habesha or two). There is also no contradiction in supporting individual mating preferences while opposing large-scale migration or the replacement of national identity with multiculturalism as matters of public policy. But I do think it's a slight misnomer to place genetics right at the end of the ranking along with the vaguely defined 'race', as though one's cultural community is unrelated to ethnicity.

[RawGod]

Waqqle, I stopped reading when I skimmed "Hungarians are 70% non-white" or somesuch. At this point I'm putting you down as a Slovak whose grandparents had bad memories of Magyarisation in the 1910s.

Edit: so you deserve a bit more of a response. You seem to be going on a false premise that only a couple of haplogroups are "white" or "European". i.e. that lineages from Central Asia, the Levant or Siberia are "non-white" and breaking up the "purity" of R1a and R1b. I'm saying that all the blends of the various lineages in Europe make up the "white race" which is you guessed it...a social construct. Greeks aren't "less white" because they have a greater amount of Middle Eastern DNA than do Lombards. Greeks are white because they are Europeans, historically Christian, and that Middle Eastern DNA is part of the diversity of the white race.

With regard to Hungarians, a few decades after the Magyar tribes entered Pannonia in the 9th and 10th centuries, they decided to become "more European than Europeans". They became Christian and adopted Latin as the tongue of law and learning. Essentially, they voluntarily joined the European family. That is why we don't speak of Hungary like we do Turks (many of whom are descended from Homer-quoting Greeks). Of course, genetics is another thing. But as we have seen, Hungarian genetics is complex. Clearly though, those original invaders left no more than traces, and over the centuries, "Slavs", "Germans" and so on have all moved into the region of Hungary, mixed, and started to speak Hungarian. The diversity of European peoples includes all sorts of DNA, and they are all "white" Europeans.

[StrikeBack]

(02-14-2019 04:29 PM)TheMost Wrote:  

To the OP, I'd like you to consider the following real life stories:

You are out with your kids. They walk 5 feet away and are playing. A kindly woman walks up right in front of them and asks "where are your parents? are you here alone?"

Your wife goes to the airport. She phones you all pissed off because people said how beautiful the children are... she must be proud to be their nanny.

You don't get invited to social events. Scholarships and various open doors that you expect for your kids just don't materialize. Without the social connections, your career doesn't go as far or fast as it should, and you aren't providing for your family in the way you expected to, and this adds stress to the marriage. Your wife hits the wall, and the doors you thought would be open to her because she has minority status, well, they aren't. Because she's married to you.

Anyway, something to keep in mind.

You been watching too much race-baiting shows on Netflix or something?

You apparently live in the same reality as the concern trolling pinko leftists I know who used to apologise to me for all the racism I've had to endure as a minority. They kept going with that even when I told them that I had experienced no such thing.

I've been to the deep south of America with a red-headed white girlfriend, and I've been to red-necked rural towns in Queensland Australia with my lily white wife. I have never experienced any racism in either place. The chance of a white guy with a brown wife in Western countries experiencing the BS you brought up is practically nil and if it ever comes up, it'll simply a comedic matter.