[BortimusPrime]

I was listening to Roosh's recent podcast in which he mentioned getting feedback from white males that they were finding it difficult to get jobs for which they were qualified. This really got me thinking, because I've been pretty well focused on job hunting for a couple months (the baristas at the Starbucks I use as an office are recognizing me now) and the kind of responses I've been getting are totally different from when I job hunted in the past.

In the past I'd get at least to the recruiter phone screening for at least 1/3 to 1/2 of applications, now it's maybe 1/20. And that was back during the Obama recession. Furthermore, I'm more qualified than I was back then with a Master's Degree in Computer Science. My work history is spotty, but it was just as spotty in the past. There are plenty of scam-sounding Indian recruiters, and offers to make me the CEO of an insurance company if I pay to do their scam executive training program. Most of the real responses I get are HR form rejections, which I also don't recall getting much of in the past. You either got an email to set up a phone interview or didn't hear anything.

My most paranoid thought is that Google is just using search engine activity to predict political leanings and establishing a blacklist based on that, but I can't see how such a thing could be disseminated to all the tech companies without anyone whistle-blowing. What I had assumed was the case was that companies are only going after H1-B workers, but another possibility is that those racial and gender identification forms in the applications that aren't supposed to be used for anything are in fact being used, and white males are getting put at the bottom of the list.

I can't completely discount the fact that my resume sucks but I would be interested to hear if other folks have been having similar difficulties job hunting in professional fields.

[BlastbeatCasanova]

I'm on the job hunt as well. Although to be fair, I haven't really put in 100% effort because with my old/current job I can kind of hop in and hop out as I please.

It's definitely a huge pain in the ass. Apparently about 7% of people who just send in a resume get a job...And that's what everyone tells you to do: "send in a resume." I guess it's not as effective as it used to be. Seems like going in person is the thing to do. The only thing is that ideally I want to move to a city in my state where there are women, opportunities, music, stuff to do, etc. But it seems like I'm going to have to move there first and get boots on the ground to effectively find a job that isn't horseshit.

I'll be interested to hear others' thoughts on this

[BortimusPrime]

(01-31-2019 09:02 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

I'm on the job hunt as well. Although to be fair, I haven't really put in 100% effort because with my old/current job I can kind of hop in and hop out as I please.

It's definitely a huge pain in the ass. Apparently about 7% of people who just send in a resume get a job...And that's what everyone tells you to do: "send in a resume." I guess it's not as effective as it used to be. Seems like going in person is the thing to do. The only thing is that ideally I want to move to a city in my state where there are women, opportunities, music, stuff to do, etc. But it seems like I'm going to have to move there first and get boots on the ground to effectively find a job that isn't horseshit.

I'll be interested to hear others' thoughts on this

I'd wondered about that, but then do I just march into Intel and say I want a job? I don't even think the person at the desk would know where to send me.

I think the biggest advantage is just knowing somebody who already works there and can vouch for you.

[scotian]

My phone has been blowing up lately, I took a 6 month job that started on January 7th, after the first week I thought “fuck this” so I told the supervisor I was fucking off but would still give him two weeks because I’m not a total prick. Made a couple of phone calls the next day, had three job offers, went with the one that pays the most. On my last day at the original job, the boss begged me to stay another week because my replacement couldn’t make it, I said no. So three days ago I started this new gig, got a phone call yesterday asking me to work, again I said no. This gig should take me up until May then I’ll be on the job hunt again. I switch companies and jobs all the time, I’m like a pirate jumping ship to ship. Fuck these companies anyway, money talks suckers!

Oil is still in the shitter and apparently we’re having some type of crisis in the Canuck oil patch but I still haveyet to be slow in 12 years. If you have half a brain and can show up to work relatively sober then take a skilled trade and you’ll be as busy as you want to be.

[GT777733]

When I was an employee, my experience with job hunting was always this:

1) Demand and supply never lies - if you are in an industry where there are far too many workers and college/university graduates compared to jobs available, it's always going to be more difficult. Follow where there is a demand for workers instead.

2) Companies want experience and a proven track record/results - every time I had experience in an industry and I showed on my resume/CV my results, I was always being chased. When I had no experience - I couldn't buy my way into a job.
If you don't have experience - do whatever you have to do to get it, and then make sure you show it on your resume. Go part time, offer to work for free for a week, do a consulting job for a charity free of charge.

It's amazing when you are an employee, if you take the business owner mindset of always finding a solution, showing initiative, and doing whatever it takes to get the job done - it's amazing how far that can take you.

A friend of mine who is an online marketer and has been consulting for himself for 2 years, just recently applied for a job just to see what the market was like, and he got it first up with no effort. Experience + proven results + an industry with demand was the key there.

[Lampwick]

(01-31-2019 09:05 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I'd wondered about that, but then do I just march into Intel and say I want a job? I don't even think the person at the desk would know where to send me.

I think the biggest advantage is just knowing somebody who already works there and can vouch for you.

The first stop should be Thomas the Rhymer's networking data sheet: thread-13795.html

May I also suggest a post I wrote about resume preparation: thread-20713...pid1901736

In terms of networking, do you have a Linkedin account? If not, you should sign up. You can go onto Linkedin and do a search for your target company. It will show you all the employees who work there. Sometimes I have found that I have a 1st degree connection at the company. More often I have found 2nd or 3rd degree connections. In the latter case, I reached out to those more distant connections and asked them if they would introduce me to the person who worked at the target company.

Linkedin has changed their features, so I have found that Linkedin group chat is now the most efficient way for people to do introductions. Make it easy for the person you are asking. Give them exact instructions on how to use Linkedin group chat to make the intro. Remember, this may be a person you barely know, and they are doing you a big favor. You want this part to go as smoothly as possible with as little effort on their part as possible.

While in the group chat, the first thing you should do is thank the person who gave the intro. Tell the person at the target company that you have some questions about X position at their company, and ask if they would be willing to have a 20 minute chat on the phone. Exchange email addresses and move the conversation out of group chat.

Before you talk to the person at the target company, do your homework on the company, and come prepared with good questions. You should always have an exact position that you are targeting. It is best to focus on how the person you're talking to feels about their job and the company. First, because you want to get them talking about themselves. Second, because it's a really good opportunity to get a sense of what the job will be like. You can talk to people for 20 minutes and get a sense if they're loving life, or if they hate their job. Are they constantly busy at work with no life, or do they have an air of desperation about wanting you to join? I also ask a lot of business questions that give me a sense of the market opportunity, the company's position, the competitors, etc.

Thank the person profusely, and then end the call. Do not ask for a referral over the phone. This is awkward, and puts the person on the spot. Oftentimes, the person will offer to refer you if they think you're a good fit, or if there's a referral bonus for the position. If they don't offer, then follow up over email and ask them. If they agree, then send your newly formatted resume (using the tips in my previous post).

If you get an interview, the interviewers will likely ask you how you know the employee who referred you. I think it's good to be generally honest here, but I usually embellish a little, saying we're mutual friends of the person who introduced me. Often I barely know either person.

If you don't have any Linkedin connections, you'll need to start somewhere. All your past coworkers are the best place to start. Over time, you should be adding more and more people to your network. Meetups and conferences that are related to your line of work are good places as well. Don't walk around handing out your resume or asking for referrals, unless people offer. People don't want to be put on the spot, and any sense of desperation turns people off. Connect with people and then apply the system I outlined above. You may be able to skip the phone call step and ask for a referral by email if you met someone who works for a company you're targeting, and you had a really good conversation with them.

Not getting a referral and just applying online is usually the equivalent of sending your resume into a black hole. Plus if you apply online, you're in the company's Applicant Tracking System. If you get a referral from someone later, then they may not get the referral bonus.

Another thing you can do with Linkedin is search using their Jobs section. They have a unique feature where they will show you how many people have applied for a particular job through the Linkedin portal. You can use these stats to gauge supply and demand. If the job has been posted for two weeks or a month, and there are few applicants (less than 10), they are probably having trouble filling that job. In this case, applying through their website is much more likely to get results. It is always better to get a referral, but sometimes it is hard to network your way in.

[Lampwick]

(01-31-2019 09:02 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

But it seems like I'm going to have to move there first and get boots on the ground to effectively find a job that isn't horseshit.

I'll be interested to hear others' thoughts on this

It's usually not advisable to move unless you already have a job in the target area. In this case, I think it's better to spoof your actual location.

Most recruiters only want local candidates. This is mainly because logistically it's much easier to schedule interviews and fill the position on the employer's schedule. They also may not want to pay relocation expenses, but often it's about time and the associated opportunity cost.

You can change the city and state on your resume and Linkedin, and even get a Google Voice number that matches the area code of your target area. Scheduling the in-person interviews will likely be the trickiest part. But, if you are able to meet their interview timeline and start date, then you'd be able to pull it off. Plane tickets are also an expense, but consider them an investment if it's a position you really want. Your downside risk on some plane tickets is way lower than showing up to a place with no job.

[Disco_Volante]

I don't think it's your race. There's just too many people with college degrees now, there's little perceived difference between any of a stack of 100+ applicants. Starting your own business or side income stream is the answer if you have the ability and means. Otherwise you'll be chained to HR departments your entire life. The only other option is working a trade or manual-type labor like scotian in mining or oil.

[Waqqle]

It's objectively worse.

1. Many of the unskilled labor jobs are being taken by illegal migrants (there are as many as 20 million of them in the US currently) who can work for less because they don't pay taxes and other people who are willing to juggle 3 jobs that give them 10 hours a week each.

2. Most of the skilled jobs which don't require some scientific, medical, or engineering background are dominated by women. All HR is dominated by women which means that women decide who gets hired in most cases.

3. The workforce has effectively doubled since 1970 with women entering the workforce en masse but the job market not only has not grown, it has actually shrunk because technology and outsourcing have made many once viable jobs obsolete. Twice as many people looking for fewer jobs. This is why real wages have not increase din the US since the 1970s.

4. Unless you are applying for a very dangerous and miserable job that carries a real risk of serious physical injury and/or horrible death, a female will be preferred.

5. No diversity quota anywhere has ever included straight white males.

6. Jobs that used to be jobs are now being done by interns who are not paid in money but in "experience."

7. No diversity quota anywhere includes straight white males.

8. Progressive credentialism.

9. Good luck trying to hold the same job for more than a year or two.

10. Why would they promote you and give you a raise when they could hire two new people who will both work for less than half of what you used to make?

11. The boomers have not retired or died. In order to be promoted, the position must be open.

12. Prior experience required and/or "your experience is not relevant."


This is all saying nothing of the environment you will have to work in if you are hired.

My last job in the US prior to joining the Army was working in a cell phone shop for a gangster-looking guy who went by "Biz." That shop had been robbed by a man with a shotgun the weekend before I started and my coworker (who later quit) had to give him the money in the safe. There was always at least one gun under the counter from then on. Biz took the amount lost in the robbery out of my coworker's paycheck because he "should have just told him that the safe was locked." This was illegal but who was my coworker going to report it to?

Biz later shorted me on my last month's paycheck and, when I brought the issue up with my supervisor, who I strongly suspect was a meth addict (she claimed to naturally only need to sleep for 2 hours a night), she called the cops on me and had them escort me out the door where they left me. I told the cops my situation and they didn't care. They just left me standing outside without enough money to make my rent (my cousin had to float me until I finally enlisted in the Army after 6 months of not being able to find another job because I just wanted to leave everything).

When I went to the DOL (Department of Labor) with all the evidence, they told me that I could file a case but that it would take around 6 months for anyone to even look at it and "I would lose more money hiring a lawyer to fight Biz than I lost (from essentially being enslaved by Biz for a month) so I should just let it go." I never got that money.

I should also mention that my commute to this job was 2 hours every day and that half of my $8 per hour salary was being spent on gas just so I could get myself to and from this awful job.

Before that, I was selling penis pills, penis creme, and other penis enhancement supplements at GNC.

But hey, you could...




In seriousness though, I don't know what the solution for the country is or if there is one. Personally, I don't plan on ever trying to settle in the US again.

[Captain Gh]

Yes the culture war is going on... but it's not the reason for your increase in difficulty! With the "cheapification" of the IT field... Networking is more important than ever! The business education model is a HUGE

Moneymaker for peeps doin it... so your competitors might have the same knowledge as you... built upon 4-5 UdeMy courses... and by Networking Hard... can bypass HR and get in the door b4 You!

Unless you legitimately have a skillset which can't be taught online,even a complex one, is no longer enough for you to simply waltz in and get a fair paying job! These days are over!

And you're not alone in this position! My previous Security Supervisor was an Elite Teaching graduate waiting for an opening... back in 2014. Can only imagine how Hard it is now! I guarantee you 30% of the Baristas greeting you are in the same position!

And lastly read carefully Scotian's post on here. The Educational bubble is getting harder & harder! Even if we've been bred to be Professional... if the money & opportunities are not right... walk away!

The trades have never gotten their proper dues... but if your $$$ not right... hustle in a trade or the oilsands for a couple of years... and Then come back to your degree if you desire.

Don't care even if you look like Ryan Reynold or Henry Cavill... Trade up if you have to instead of slaving away underpaid! Don't let the Stereotype of "Trade people" not being bright get in the way of your $$$. We all took the Ref Pill didn't we?

The Recession's coming boys! $$$ is becoming that 9 standing by the Bar: You gotta try to get that Bitch... by any legal mean necessary!

[CleanSlate]

It was already getting harder even before the 2008 recession. I had a master's degree in a STEM field and it still took me TWO YEARS to find a decent job. My dad even tried to help, and he exhausted all his connections (and oh yes, he had mad connections) to help me get a job... and that failed!

All my family and friends were absolutely baffled at why I had not been able to find a job within a few months after graduation. The career center in my university was utterly useless. I used a resume editing service plus a job hunting coach to help me, and they weren't able to figure out why I could not find anything. Not even one fucking interview.

To be fair though, I landed a couple of internships and temporary gigs. But they didn't pay enough to cover the rent, food, student loans, plus medical bills for my dad (when he got sick and was in and out of the hospital). I had to get a second job by moonlighting at a retail store. Between internships and that second job, and fighting the choking traffic getting from one place to another, I was only sleeping 4 hours a night for those two years.

I was demoralized, sleep-deprived, and flat broke.

Then I expanded my job search to the entire country (I didn't do this at first because I wanted to stay near my parents), and I found a full time job in Texas, where companies were hiring like crazy. I was lucky to catch a wave in hiring, but it required me to move.

I never ever want to repeat that experience of searching for a job for two years. Never again! I was so embittered by this experience that I held onto my job in Texas for several years by making myself indispensable, until I was ready to start my own business.

I can't imagine how hard it is TODAY when I thought it was insanely difficult before the 2008 crash.

[Heuristics]

Rigged game, don't play by their rules. Things I learned from older people:

1) Network and ask around about jobs with people you know personally, the resume pile is for losers.
2) If you didn't do STEM have low expectations. College means next to nothing these days.
3) Experience is key, but many employment people are willing to bend their experience requirements... many people lack the tenacity to even apply when they see that they don't fill every job qualification perfectly... The requirements are bendable, as is everything else.
4) Most jobs train you on the job, just a question of doing what you need to actually do the job.
5) Stay off social media it's a waste of time, everyone has a linked-in. And no, the people that get shit done, don't.
6) Plenty of growth industries, don't compete with all the college-educated liberal arts libtards. It's a job, not your calling in life.
7) Lock down social media it could prevent you from being hired.
8) Don't do the trades they're tough, just my opinion. I'd take office job anyday, collect paycheck, and get out when I can.
9) Do not play the job game like everyone else. Always be on guard for opportunities, whether at the bar, in the elevator or at church.
10) Be willing to relocate where there is a better market, smaller cities and non-coastal cities are loosing out to big hubs like LA, NYC, Silicon Valley, etc.

[Captain Gh]

(01-31-2019 11:50 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

It's objectively worse. I enlisted in the Army after one particularly depressing stretch of around 6 months not being able to find a job.

1. Most of the unskilled labor jobs are being taken by illegal migrants who can work for less because they don't pay taxes and other people who are willing to juggle 3 jobs that give them 10 hours a week each.

2. Most of the skilled jobs which don't require some scientific, medical, or engineering background are dominated by women. All HR is dominated by women which means that women decide who gets hired in most cases.

3. The workforce has effectively doubled since 1970 with women entering the workforce en masse but the job market not only has not grown, it has actually shrunk because technology and outsourcing have made many once viable jobs obsolete.

4. Unless you are applying for a very dangerous and miserable job that carries a real risk of serious physical injury and/or horrible death, a female will be preferred.

5. No diversity quota anywhere has ever included straight white males.

6. Jobs that used to be jobs are now being done by interns who are not paid in money but in "experience."

7. No diversity quota anywhere includes straight white males.

8. Progressive credentialism.

9. Good luck trying to hold the same job for more than a year or two.

10. Why would they promote you and give you a raise when they could hire two new people who will both work for half of what you used to make?


This is all saying nothing of the environment you will have to work in if you are hired. My last job in the US prior to joining the Army was working in a cell phone shop for a gangster-looking guy who went by "Biz." That shop had been robbed by a guy with a shotgun the weekend before I started and my coworker (who later quit) had to give him the money in the safe. Biz took that amount out of his paycheck. This was illegal but who was he going to report it to?

Biz later shorted me on my last month's paycheck and, when I brought the issue up with my supervisor, who I strongly suspect was a meth user, she called the cops on me and had them escort me out the door where they left me. I told them my situation and they didn't care.

When I went to the DOL (Department of Labor) with all the evidence, they told me that I could file a case but that it would take around 6 months for anyone to even look at it and "I would lose more money hiring a lawyer to fight Biz than I lost (by essentially being enslaved by Biz for a month) so I should just let it go." I never got that money and, if you are guessing, I am white and every single other person involved in this entire story was black. I say that not to disparage black people but to illustrate that you can only play the race card if you are not white. If you are, nobody cares what happens to you.

Before that, I was literally selling snake oil at GNC and, before that, I was a waiter and dishwasher at a Mexican restaurant I got fired from for not fitting in.


I am not moaning. I already found my solution. I am leaving the US next month and I don't plan on ever trying to settle here again. Screw this place.

I suggest not even messing around with the job market and going on welfare and government assistance until you can save enough by socking away a certain percentage of your government money each month to get yourself a plane ticket out of this stress factory and an apartment somewhere else where you can ply your trade, preferably somewhere currently suffering from brain drain because all of the educated locals are coming to the US to make your job search harder and more competitive. The situation in the US will not get better in any meaningful way in our lifetimes so there is no point in staying unless you simply can't leave.

I liked your post... and Man oh Man I'm sure you got more cool A$$ stories in the vault... but you being White is completely irrelevant on this one!

1. If the employee was a N***a... he might have shot his A$$ with no regards... keep that in perspective!

2. Your Ex-Boss was definitely in the wrong with the paycheck thing... but if his Business is located in a very Bad part of town ==> then it's probably a front for Dirty $$$... and since he might be about that Life ==> he won't give a fuck about ANYBODY!

I've said it earlier in my other post from this thread: Yes the Culture/Gender war is Real... but some of y'all need to Chill with your conclusions!

You used to be #1
But now you're #2 wayyy behind White Women

Despite everything going on... you're still #2...
Wayyy above every single group of Men on average.

If you're getting treated like Dog Shit...
It most likely would have been wayyy worse for any other group of Men!

Liked your Post... but just Keepin It Real!

[Waqqle]

(02-01-2019 12:47 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Rigged game, don't play by their rules. Things I learned from older people:

1) Network and ask around about jobs with people you know personally, the resume pile is for losers.
2) If you didn't do STEM have low expectations. College means next to nothing these days.
3) Experience is key, but many employment people are willing to bend their experience requirements... many people lack the tenacity to even apply when they see that they don't fill every job qualification perfectly... The requirements are bendable, as is everything else.
4) Most jobs train you on the job, just a question of doing what you need to actually do the job.
5) Stay off social media it's a waste of time, everyone has a linked-in. And no, the people that get shit done, don't.
6) Plenty of growth industries, don't compete with all the college-educated liberal arts libtards. It's a job, not your calling in life.
7) Lock down social media it could prevent you from being hired.
8) Don't do the trades they're tough, just my opinion. I'd take office job anyday, collect paycheck, and get out when I can.
9) Do not play the job game like everyone else. Always be on guard for opportunities, whether at the bar, in the elevator or at church.
10) Be willing to relocate where there is a better market, smaller cities and non-coastal cities are loosing out to big hubs like LA, NYC, Silicon Valley, etc.

This is true except that most jobs these days do not do much to train you on the job. You need to come in already being qualified. Thats the progressive credentialism I mentioned. I would also encourage the trades for those who are inclined toward them as they can take you all over the world.

The rest of it I generally could see as decent advice. However, I personally find it more sensible to move overseas as the amount of effort and time I would expend to get the same or better results elsewhere would be less than in the US. I also am of the opinion that the US is a terrible place to plan a long term future if there is any possibility that you may one day want to have a wife and/or children. For that reason, I see leaving the country as a viable long term strategy.

The lifestyle outside of the US also tends, at least in my experience, to be less stressful than in the US. There are few places on Earth that will stress you out as much over the course of a lifetime than the US. The food in the US is also nightmarishly unhealthy and the obesity is out of control. I just don't want to be surrounded by and immersed in that all my life.

Depending on your profession and personal situation, it may be easier or harder to leave the US and I know this is not the situation for everyone. Everyone will not leave the US but everyone won't join the RVF either.

[Graft]

One of the toughest experiences of my life was the half decade or so following my college graduation. I had zero direction from parents, family, peers, etc. I graduated with a useless degree. I spent those years bouncing around entry level corporate gigs, dealing with bullshit HR, terminations, unemployment denied, bonuses withheld, you name it, it found me. As soon as I started to get some traction, I would get laid off. Girlfriends dumped me, I moved cross country, friends left me, now that I think about it really was the longest and worst period of my life.

I knew I wanted to hit it big in sales but couldn't figure out how. I missed the boat on post-college training programs for top tech companies and was way behind in the game. Luckily in my mid 20's I was able to bullshit my way into a great gig.

I'm passively looking for a new gig and I'm almost positive that I'd land a six figure salary for the next job. Whether that's 100k or 250k is the question.

The feeling of being unemployed, homelessness hanging over my head, racking up credit card debt to buy discount groceries, haunts me to this day. I specifically remember sending out hundreds of copies of my shitty resume, getting dinged on phone screens for entry level jobs, praying that I'd get my break. I'm still bitter at my parents for not providing any direction and basically leaving me to die.

I'm very proud of myself for making a high salary, but deep down I know I got extremely lucky and I'm a little nervous about making a jump to see if I could do it again.

[Captain Gh]

(02-01-2019 12:47 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Rigged game, don't play by their rules. Things I learned from older people:

8) Don't do the trades they're tough, just my opinion. I'd take office job anyday, collect paycheck, and get out when I can.
9) Do not play the job game like everyone else.
10) Be willing to relocate where there is a better market, smaller cities and non-coastal cities are loosing out to big hubs like LA, NYC, Silicon Valley, etc.

Well let's agreed to disagree... but it baffles my mind why someone in shape wouldn't go the Trades Route instead of struggling like a Madman for years in a cubicle "playing a Rigged Game" while being underpaid!

Scotian & Castle on this Forum have been telling us for YEARS How anyone who ain't pissing hot and doesn't have $hit for Brains can make 6 figures... and yet 3 digits IQ Men won't jump at this opportunity?!!?! Why! Because it's a Lil Physical?!?

To Each is own... but I'd rather sweat a little instead of Relocating to these God expensive places hoping... hoping to get ahead!

[Waqqle]

(02-01-2019 12:58 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

I liked your post... and Man oh Man I'm sure you got more cool A$$ stories in the vault... but you being White is completely irrelevant on this one!

1. If the employee was a N***a... he might have shot his A$$ with no regards... keep that in perspective!

2. Your Ex-Boss was definitely in the wrong with the paycheck thing... but if his Business is located in a very Bad part of town ==> then it's probably a front for Dirty $$$... and since he might be about that Life ==> he won't give a fuck about ANYBODY!

I've said it earlier in my other post from this thread: Yes the Culture/Gender war is Real... but some of y'all need to Chill with your conclusions!

You used to be #1
But now you're #2 wayyy behind White Women

Despite everything going on... you're still #2...
Wayyy above every single group of Men on average.

If you're getting treated like Dog Shit...
It most likely would have been wayyy worse for any other group of Men!

Liked your Post... but just Keepin It Real!

I edited the white part out because I knew someone would say that. I wasn't fast enough though. Since you did catch it, I'll expound on it.

It's not a contest for the crappiest life award and I'm not trying to claim that I have it worse than all the members of some other ethnicity whether I do or not because who cares. Someone somewhere always has it worse. If you have asthma, someone else has lung cancer. I'm only stating the facts of what happened, not seeking perpetual victimhood status. Being a victim sucks and I'd rather not be one if I can avoid it.

However, as long as we're keeping it real, I do know that, if I had been a black guy and I had been worked without pay by my white boss in his all-white business (with the exception of me), I could create a media hellstorm in which the word "slavery" would be mentioned at least three dozen times a day on every mainstream news station and a million dollar lawsuit even if my being black was not the cause of my problems. As I am white and the rest of the people involved were black (including the DOL employees and the police by the way) , there is no way that such a thing would have been possible with my story.

If we're still keeping it real, we also know that a lot of black and hispanic guys have it worse than a lot of white guys but the reason they have it worse are not because there is legal discrimination against them or that the majority of society is in favor of taking from them to give to whitey. That is however exactly the situation for white guys whether they are screwups or not. Let's also not pretend that black and hispanic guys don't get more sympathy and help when things don't go their way. How many scholarships, affirmative action laws, and government assistance programs do we need to get people to stop shooting, robbing, and raping their own neighbors? When are we going to stop saying stuff like "the ethnicity of the attacker is unknown." How many black on white hate crimes are going to occur before they start being legally recognized as such? At what point are we all forced to admit that maybe it's the individual's fault and it is not the result of systemic oppression because he is somehow so important that every white guy in the country is happy to go out of their way to create, run, and conceal a shadowy conspiracy just in order to oppress little ol' him?

I think black adults are human adults. I will not rob them of their agency and humanity by apologizing on their behalf and pretending that they are too stupid and irredeemable to possibly ever be expected to live up to the same standard that I am expected to hold myself and other people who look like me to.

That is what I meant by that bit before I edited it out but you caught it before I could delete it.

Again, my aim is not to disparage black people and, if I really had anything against them, life in Atlanta would be even more difficult and complicated. Being a racist just would not be pragmatic.

I am only stating facts. Black guys and guys of other ethnic backgrounds have their own issues that they face and those issues are surely real. White guy issues are real too though (evidenced by the suicide rate) and the things I've mentioned here are among them.

Again though, it's not a victimhood contest, only my experience.


*In your first point, do you mean that my coworker could have shot the guy who robbed him? I might have thought the same except that there were no guns in the shop at that time. The guns under the counter were added after the robbery.

*On your second point, I think you are probably right about that store being a money laundering thing. My supervisor (the meth lady) kept telling me "you don't know the whole story!" whenever I told her that I needed to get paid because I can't just tell my landlord that my boss didn't pay me. She refused at every point to elaborate on what she meant though which was suspicious. So yea, I can't confirm that he was laundering money but that situation had all the familiar symptoms of a front. After my dad looked up a profile Biz had online, he actually asked me not to pursue the case with the authorities because he didn't want me to be murdered or for him to have his house shot up or something.

*As for your third point, I tend to try and avoid race as being the conclusion for anything until all other possibilities have been exhausted. Especially as a white guy, the mere suggestion that race might be a factor in a problem at all, much less the primary or sole factor, is on some level terrifying to make and would legitimately get me fired, expelled, or something elsed if I were in any position to have any of those things happen to me. So it is an issue that I and most other white guys genuinely want to avoid if at all possible. However, sometimes it is no longer possible to avoid or ignore it because other people won't let you and they won't just piss off and leave you alone or hold up their end of the equality deal.

*Since childhood, I have been having to hear and feel guilty about other races of guys being treated badly by whites in the distant and hazy past of bygone eras that came and went decades before I was born. So I find it less than encouraging that, whenever I see or hear a white guy bring up white guy problems, the first reaction tends to be to disregard them and state something along the lines of "you were #1 and now you're #2" while claiming that someone else somewhere has it worse somehow and therefor your problems don't matter. That's the same logic as saying to a favela-dwelling black guy in Rio, dodging bullets on his way to school every day, that his problems don't matter and he should just suck it up because Amerindians in the jungle 1000 miles away don't even have electricity. In fact, he should be grateful that things are as good for him as they are. That kind of condescension could only ever breed resentment and I could understand if the black guy started resenting someone who disregarded and talked down to him like that.

This proves my point about the fact that, if you are a white guy, nobody will ever care about you. Also, I don't know who this "you" and "we" are. I wasn't around in the 1960s. All that I know is 1992 and after. If somebody has a chip on their shoulder about something that happened before either I or they were born and they decide to take it out on me because I'm white, they are being a racist dirtbag and they deserve to get beat down, though I won't do it because I don't want to be charged with a hate crime (something that we both know most likely wouldn't happen to a black guy if he beat me up).



I think you are from Canada but I'm fairly certain that all of this holds true there as well even though the element of physical danger and violence is generally not as pronounced in Canada as it is in the US and nor is the historical animosity as (regrettably) fierce as it is in the US.

There are even whole religions in the US, which have widespread influence, constructed around hating white people such as the Nation of Islam and the Five Percent Nation, both of which teach (and you can look this up) that white people are literally the root of all evil in the world on both a material and cosmic level. The Nation of Islam alone has 50,000 members and that's not counting everyone who has relatives and friends involved but isn't directly involved themselves. Unfortunately, this stupidity runs deep and it has infected every part of society.



I was actually dating a black girl in Colombia a couple of months ago and we went to a museum in town where one of the exhibits was about a mission project in another city being conducted by the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan. I told her about what that organization is and showed her the Wikipedia page in Spanish. We both had a good laugh about it. Colombia generally seems to be less hung up on race than the US which I personally like. I hate having to hear about it all the time in the US and having it force its way into every aspect of my life like a psychic stalker.

One of the things I dislike very much about the race pimping in the US is that, if I ever marry and have kids with a non-white woman (which, given my personal history, is very likely), I would have to endure my kids being constantly bombarded with messages from every direction telling them that they need to pick a side and resent me and my side of the family because we are oppressing them, their mother, and her side of the family. That's not something I am willing to accept and is one more reason I have chosen to leave the country for good. I alone can't fix the environment and I don't want to be submerged in venom for the rest of my life so I have deemed the best course of action to be expatriation. Put simply, it's not a hill I care enough about to die on, it's not a battle that I want to fight until I die, and it is not a cause I want to sacrifice my future children to. I'm just leaving.



Anyway, I'm rambling now. Thanks for the feedback. We don't have to agree on everything to get along. We're both here which means we agree on at least some important things. And yea, I've got stories for days man. If I have nothing else, I at least have that. If you can't have an easy life, you can at least have an interesting one.

[Waqqle]

(02-01-2019 01:22 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:47 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Rigged game, don't play by their rules. Things I learned from older people:

8) Don't do the trades they're tough, just my opinion. I'd take office job anyday, collect paycheck, and get out when I can.
9) Do not play the job game like everyone else.
10) Be willing to relocate where there is a better market, smaller cities and non-coastal cities are loosing out to big hubs like LA, NYC, Silicon Valley, etc.

Well let's agreed to disagree... but it baffles my mind why someone in shape wouldn't go the Trades Route instead of struggling like a Madman for years in a cubicle "playing a Rigged Game" while being underpaid!

Scotian & Castle on this Forum have been telling us for YEARS How anyone who ain't pissing hot and doesn't have $hit for Brains can make 6 figures... and yet 3 digits IQ Men won't jump at this opportunity?!!?! Why! Because it's a Lil Physical?!?

To Each is own... but I'd rather sweat a little instead of Relocating to these God expensive places hoping... hoping to get ahead!

I agree. If I'm being honest, the main reason I have not gotten into the trades is because I simply cannot bear the thought of having to stay in the US for another 2-6 years to complete trade school and gain the experience and certifications that I would need to go overseas. If you want to stay in the US though, it is almost crazy not to go into the trades at this point.

[BortimusPrime]

At least for STEM jobs, it's got to be pressure from the H1B Chinese and Pajeets that's pushing down the wages and job opportunities. Figure women are too stupid to code (unless they're MtF trannies due to that sperg/gender dysphoria connection), and illegal immigrants just don't have the qualifications.

[AntoniusofEfa]

H1B visas are getting very hard to get approved.

Regarding Computer Science: anyone can make a fucking app. Doing embedded software for Aerospace or Automotive for Tier 1 suppliers is a whole different game.

[scotian]

If you guys want to get away from working with women, queers and minorities then you have to get the hell out of the big cities and into the small towns in places where those types of people don't want to live. Yes, life is boring in these types of places and the work can be hard but you won't have to attend diversity training, worry about sexual harrassment charges or getting shit canned for telling an off coloured joke.

I'm currently working in the middle of nowhere Saskatchewan, Canada. Its about 400 miles north of Montana so you can bet it's cold as fuck out here, it's -20C (-4F) as I type this and it will be even colder this weekend. The ground is covered in snow and ice so getting around and especially working outdoors isn't easy. I'm staying in Canada's Most Dangerous Place where whitey isn't welcome downtown after dark unless he wants to get stabbed or beaten with a bat. I'm working with two locals guys, a father and son, they live on a cattle farm about 20 miles away, they chew tobacco, swear like sailors and both have some funny stories about fighting local natives "kick em in the knees, they're top heavy", "don't bother punching them in the head, they got thick heads."

So we're working on a pipeline with a bunch of welders and pipefitters, everyone is white, everyone is a red neck, no one gives a fuck about where you're from or who you vote for although if you can talk about hockey, hunting and ATVs then you're basically in. Since it's not live, we can smoke anywhere and if I need to take a piss, I just whip out my dick and piss on the ground, no one gives a fuck. Once I get a day off, I'm going down to their farm to check out the cattle and hopefully shoot some guns, they have snow mobiles too so we may go for a rip on one of those, maybe shoot some rabbits or something, I saw about 50 of those little fuckers last night.

Anyway, my point is that if you are going insane working in an office with a bunch of women and oppressed minorities and have to constantly walk on egg shells and watch what you say, then get the fuck out of the cities, into the country, learn a skilled trade and work with some cowboys.

If anyone wants to pm me, I can explain to you how to get a job in my trade in the US/Canada in about 5 minutes.

[scotian]

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Yours truly on the pipeline: no cucks, no queers, no women, fuck ya!!!

[Waqqle]

(02-01-2019 11:15 AM)scotian Wrote:  

"kick em in the knees, they're top heavy", "don't bother punching them in the head, they got thick heads."

Outstanding. Truly outstanding.

[scotian]

(02-01-2019 11:31 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:15 AM)scotian Wrote:  

"kick em in the knees, they're top heavy", "don't bother punching them in the head, they got thick heads."

Outstanding. Truly outstanding.

Oil patch diversity training brah.

[kaotic]

(02-01-2019 11:20 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Yours truly on the pipeline: no cucks, no queers, no women, fuck ya!!!

Nothing new here, just scotian sitting on some BBP (Big Black Pipe) again.