[scotian]

(02-01-2019 12:10 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:20 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Yours truly on the pipeline: no cucks, no queers, no women, fuck ya!!!

Nothing new here, just scotian sitting on some BBP (Big Black Pipe) again.

Kaotic we're tying into some small bore piping soon, after we heat treat it, it'll be full of scale, I'll take a pic of the 4" small brown pipe just for your bro.

[NFallin]

Scotian where the good trades at though? Electrical is completely dead in Alberta on a race to the bottom and the pipefitters got nothing on the union dispatch. I hope shutdown season picks things up!

[scotian]

^Take the IRATA level one rope access ticket and you’ll be working. Shut downs will be slower this year, which is why I’m working this winter. If I was a sparkie I’d be looking for residential/commercial work in Vancouver or Toronto.

[Repo]

(01-31-2019 07:16 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I was listening to Roosh's recent podcast in which he mentioned getting feedback from white males that they were finding it difficult to get jobs for which they were qualified. This really got me thinking, because I've been pretty well focused on job hunting for a couple months (the baristas at the Starbucks I use as an office are recognizing me now) and the kind of responses I've been getting are totally different from when I job hunted in the past.

In the past I'd get at least to the recruiter phone screening for at least 1/3 to 1/2 of applications, now it's maybe 1/20. And that was back during the Obama recession. Furthermore, I'm more qualified than I was back then with a Master's Degree in Computer Science. My work history is spotty, but it was just as spotty in the past. There are plenty of scam-sounding Indian recruiters, and offers to make me the CEO of an insurance company if I pay to do their scam executive training program. Most of the real responses I get are HR form rejections, which I also don't recall getting much of in the past. You either got an email to set up a phone interview or didn't hear anything.

My most paranoid thought is that Google is just using search engine activity to predict political leanings and establishing a blacklist based on that, but I can't see how such a thing could be disseminated to all the tech companies without anyone whistle-blowing. What I had assumed was the case was that companies are only going after H1-B workers, but another possibility is that those racial and gender identification forms in the applications that aren't supposed to be used for anything are in fact being used, and white males are getting put at the bottom of the list.

I can't completely discount the fact that my resume sucks but I would be interested to hear if other folks have been having similar difficulties job hunting in professional fields.

I think part of it is that the longer your resume sucks, the worse you look. Like, if your a young guy whose hopped around for a few years, ok maybe they will give you a chance. But now add 10 years to that, people will be less likely to bet on you.

[ChicagoFire]

(02-01-2019 01:09 AM)Graft Wrote:  

One of the toughest experiences of my life was the half decade or so following my college graduation. I had zero direction from parents, family, peers, etc. I graduated with a useless degree. I spent those years bouncing around entry level corporate gigs, dealing with bullshit HR, terminations, unemployment denied, bonuses withheld, you name it, it found me. As soon as I started to get some traction, I would get laid off. Girlfriends dumped me, I moved cross country, friends left me, now that I think about it really was the longest and worst period of my life.

I knew I wanted to hit it big in sales but couldn't figure out how. I missed the boat on post-college training programs for top tech companies and was way behind in the game. Luckily in my mid 20's I was able to bullshit my way into a great gig.

I'm passively looking for a new gig and I'm almost positive that I'd land a six figure salary for the next job. Whether that's 100k or 250k is the question.

The feeling of being unemployed, homelessness hanging over my head, racking up credit card debt to buy discount groceries, haunts me to this day. I specifically remember sending out hundreds of copies of my shitty resume, getting dinged on phone screens for entry level jobs, praying that I'd get my break. I'm still bitter at my parents for not providing any direction and basically leaving me to die.

I'm very proud of myself for making a high salary, but deep down I know I got extremely lucky and I'm a little nervous about making a jump to see if I could do it again.

Wow this more or less reflects my work/life experience. I had some direction but it was the "go to school and you'll be filthy rich" crap at least half of people on the forum probably got. Honestly, thank you for sharing. Just personally speaking yes, for reasons some of the posters have listed it is getting harder to find a job. Even then for some of the jobs I've applied to there's conditions like temporary hiring or they work you like a dog for minimum wage and no overtime.

Apparently my lengthy experience in the food industry doesn't cut it for a sideways move into sales or roughneck work so I'm changing up my strategy. I think one of the key aspects when job hunting is knowing the odds are rigged (but don't give up, barrel through) and if a certain tact isn't working learn from your mistake. In my case I would fill out LinkedIn apps and never hear back from anyone. The older 60+ crowd don't understand you don't just go to a $10,000 total 4 year school, marry a good girl, and retire into the sunset. Those days don't look like they're coming back.

I'm on the fence right now about just hopping on a plane and staying in North Dakota for a couple months just to see how everything plays out. Word is Walmart pays $20/hour and with the lower cost of living that would be like making $25/hour. Key part of this is nobody wants to live in that hellhole so I know what I'm signing up for. I have nothing to lose at this point. I live here in IL and the state is broke as a joke. Our politicians play the stupid game of musical chairs raise taxes edition. Will it be the D's or the R's that raise taxes and piss everybody off?

Here's the silver lining to this all though that only took me about 3 years to learn: Even if you have a cushy job you still want to multiply your income. If you stay in your comfort zone you will pay for it in the end. I've worked for employers that will fight for every nickel so with that kind of mentality good luck retaining people. But yeah I don't think people posting on this thread are on that high level problem yet.

[ChicagoFire]

(02-01-2019 01:50 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

One of the things I dislike very much about the race pimping in the US is that, if I ever marry and have kids with a non-white woman (which, given my personal history, is very likely), I would have to endure my kids being constantly bombarded with messages from every direction telling them that they need to pick a side and resent me and my side of the family because we are oppressing them, their mother, and her side of the family. That's not something I am willing to accept and is one more reason I have chosen to leave the country for good. I alone can't fix the environment and I don't want to be submerged in venom for the rest of my life so I have deemed the best course of action to be expatriation. Put simply, it's not a hill I care enough about to die on, it's not a battle that I want to fight until I die, and it is not a cause I want to sacrifice my future children to. I'm just leaving.

I thought I was the only one who thought about this re: race mixing. Nice! Here in the States that's what our culture will do pretty much which is fucked up. Liberals present themselves as the "hold hands and sing kumbaya party"when in reality it is cleverly disguised to split people up into boxes.

Yeah, best course is to leave or build up a tight community.

[godzilla]

(01-31-2019 07:16 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I was listening to Roosh's recent podcast in which he mentioned getting feedback from white males that they were finding it difficult to get jobs for which they were qualified. This really got me thinking, because I've been pretty well focused on job hunting for a couple months (the baristas at the Starbucks I use as an office are recognizing me now) and the kind of responses I've been getting are totally different from when I job hunted in the past.

In the past I'd get at least to the recruiter phone screening for at least 1/3 to 1/2 of applications, now it's maybe 1/20. And that was back during the Obama recession. Furthermore, I'm more qualified than I was back then with a Master's Degree in Computer Science. My work history is spotty, but it was just as spotty in the past. There are plenty of scam-sounding Indian recruiters, and offers to make me the CEO of an insurance company if I pay to do their scam executive training program. Most of the real responses I get are HR form rejections, which I also don't recall getting much of in the past. You either got an email to set up a phone interview or didn't hear anything.

My most paranoid thought is that Google is just using search engine activity to predict political leanings and establishing a blacklist based on that, but I can't see how such a thing could be disseminated to all the tech companies without anyone whistle-blowing. What I had assumed was the case was that companies are only going after H1-B workers, but another possibility is that those racial and gender identification forms in the applications that aren't supposed to be used for anything are in fact being used, and white males are getting put at the bottom of the list.

I can't completely discount the fact that my resume sucks but I would be interested to hear if other folks have been having similar difficulties job hunting in professional fields.

I got into programming about over 2 years ago and as a newbie, it took me in total about 18 months to find an entry-level job. It's definitely hard out there. There were a lot of times where I like, "What the fuck am I doing? Am I ever going to find work?" Even people I got connected too, through meeting and friends, would often turn me down.

At the same time, we don't know enough about your situation and what you're looking for to make an accurate assessment of what might be the problem.

I've often checked off either White or Hispanic on these racial identification forms and honestly, I haven't seen a difference in responses. I don't think it makes much of a difference.

Even if you're resume is the best resume ever, you've probably worked in the corporate sector long enough to know that people often don't hire the best people. They hire the people they like (and friends, family or favors for them) or the person that's not going to take their job, so they often hire someone qualified...but not too qualified.

Best of luck out there!

[Tigre]

(01-31-2019 07:16 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I was listening to Roosh's recent podcast in which he mentioned getting feedback from white males that they were finding it difficult to get jobs for which they were qualified. This really got me thinking, because I've been pretty well focused on job hunting for a couple months (the baristas at the Starbucks I use as an office are recognizing me now) and the kind of responses I've been getting are totally different from when I job hunted in the past.

The second half of December and all of January is not the best time for getting hired.

Maybe it's seasonal. In general, I see this job market as pretty good.

Consider switching it up a bit. Do a personal project for portfolio, or a couple of brief volunteer gigs.

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Also- for people looking to boost their portfolios, you can try Catchafire.com. It's all volunteer work for nonprofits and such, so its' a good way to quickly get experience build up your reputation. I'm working on 2 jobs and received an almost embarrsing amount of positive feedback on one. She even agreed to write a rave review on my linkedin page, maybe some paid work down the road. Definitely worth looking into.
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[GT777733]

@chicagofire and @graft

I can relate to that experience.

Something I would say to both of you though is that your goal should be to get to a point where you have some level of financial security - $100k plus in the bank, and then build on that from there, and then work on seeing that period of life for what it was, know that you had no level of control over being born into that situation, and leave all trauma and bitterness about it in the past.

You almost have to see it as a past life, and go forward creating a new one with different energy (this can take time to process and accept/embrace though).

The reason you work hard in life is to get out of current crappy circumstances. If you work hard, get the money and resources you need to change your life, but mentally you're still stuck in the past and let people's behavior from the past still dictate to you - the hard work goes to waste.
I've been there and it's almost like a leach is stuck in your brain, or like you're infected with a disease. You have to just tell yourself that it was all bullshit and move on and grow, and give yourself to permission to start doing things that make you feel confident and comfortable regardless of the impact it has on people from your past. They will either accept it, or they won't (in which case you have to leave them to keep repeating their past mistakes)

@Graft - something I've learnt as I got older is that luck really comes about the more you take actions. You are focussing on the fact you got lucky, but you are discounting the fact that you worked your ass of to put yourself in enough situations to get the chance to bullshit your way through that interview to get the job you have now. I used to do the same thing, but now I know that I'm probably going to get lucky again in the future several times as long as I keep my work ethic.
I'd recommend you focus on your money and saving it specifically. If you have saved money from your current job - your risk in future employment decreases dramatically because you need their money less and less as time goes on.
Start being logical about the big picture and more in control, instead of being reactionary and thinking about how bad shit has gone in the past (and letting it make you fearful of the future).

@Chicagofire - if you really want a sales job, go start at the bottom first. In any developed world, you should be able to get a door to door sales job or a call centre job with no experience very quickly. Once you have a few months experience in each, parlay that into a sales job slightly above that, and so on (you just keep repeating the same process over and over).
If you want roughneck work - scotian has spelled out how guys can get more trade based work.
Block out all the other crap in your life and solely focus on your money and career for now - but don't obsess over every little failure and event, and stop focussing on external things that aren't health or mindset/mental health related.
You will grow, get financial security and get to where you want if you keep trying and don't give time to negative things that drag you backwards and distract you.

[Graft]

(02-02-2019 08:58 PM)GT777733 Wrote:  

@chicagofire and @graft

I can relate to that experience.

Something I would say to both of you though is that your goal should be to get to a point where you have some level of financial security - $100k plus in the bank, and then build on that from there, and then work on seeing that period of life for what it was, know that you had no level of control over being born into that situation, and leave all trauma and bitterness about it in the past.

You almost have to see it as a past life, and go forward creating a new one with different energy (this can take time to process and accept/embrace though).

The reason you work hard in life is to get out of current crappy circumstances. If you work hard, get the money and resources you need to change your life, but mentally you're still stuck in the past and let people's behavior from the past still dictate to you - the hard work goes to waste.
I've been there and it's almost like a leach is stuck in your brain, or like you're infected with a disease. You have to just tell yourself that it was all bullshit and move on and grow, and give yourself to permission to start doing things that make you feel confident and comfortable regardless of the impact it has on people from your past. They will either accept it, or they won't (in which case you have to leave them to keep repeating their past mistakes)

@Graft - something I've learnt as I got older is that luck really comes about the more you take actions. You are focussing on the fact you got lucky, but you are discounting the fact that you worked your ass of to put yourself in enough situations to get the chance to bullshit your way through that interview to get the job you have now. I used to do the same thing, but now I know that I'm probably going to get lucky again in the future several times as long as I keep my work ethic.
I'd recommend you focus on your money and saving it specifically. If you have saved money from your current job - your risk in future employment decreases dramatically because you need their money less and less as time goes on.
Start being logical about the big picture and more in control, instead of being reactionary and thinking about how bad shit has gone in the past (and letting it make you fearful of the future).

You're right. If I look at the big picture, I spent three or four years in low-level jobs, sent out hundreds of applications, hundreds of cold emails, looked for mentors on LinkedIn, everything and anything. I remember traveling across a few state lines just to go to an open house for a top tech company-no callback. I remember getting an interview at top startup for an entry level job, the interviewer was a successful sales manager in his 30's who passed on me, I was unemployed for the next six months. He hit me up a few months ago for another startup job, I replied "lol". I remember two bosses who fired me-both females in their 50's. I know for an almost fact that I'm killing them both in income a year or two after I worked for them.

The difference between sales and other industries is the ability to get lucky without much credentials. Finance you need a top degree or CFA. Accounting you need a CPA. In sales you can be banging out calls for a startup one day and the next become a top performing rep for one of the highest paying companies in the world.

I struggled for most of my short career, but I got that chance-that one chance that changed everything for me. Sometimes when I'm alone, in my beautiful top floor apartment, I think about how surreal the whole experience is. I'm no multimillionaire CEO, far from it, but a few years ago I was getting denied for unemployment and paying the rent on a rodent infested shack with a credit card. A recruiter hit me up a few weeks ago from arguably the best tech company in the world. A couple of years ago I would have worked for them for free. When he wanted to interview me for a 175k job, I told him it wasn't enough money. I wouldn't say that I'm completely set up in my industry, but the level of confidence that I have as I passively look for a new gig makes the situation entirely different.

I could have left my company six months ago for more money, but I'll admit-I have a lot of loyalty to this large multinational corporation. The loyalty doesn't completely stem from the financial lifestyle they've provided, because at this point I could get it somewhere else. The most unbelievable thing that this company has done for me, by far, is paved a road for a beautiful wife and family. For the first time in my life, I'm hooking up with or talking to beautiful family oriented girls aged 19-22. I never had that opportunity when I was a bitter guy with average career success and a shitty apartment.

Women can see my lifestyle clearly right now and want to be a part of it. Again, not so much in terms of dollars and cents, but the fact that I'm having fun. Going out, socializing, traveling, just having the freedom to do what I want with my time and enough financial resources to not be stressed every second.

If I had continued on the career path that I was on before this company, I would not have had an opportunity to have a family. I would probably have been successful eventually, but there's a huge difference (in dating younger women) between reaching financial success in your mid-late twenties vs your mid-late thirties or forties.

The company has paid me a great salary, but the doors that it opened for women and my future family cannot be overstated. If I'm ever fortunate enough to sit around my entire brood of grandchildren, I'll remember the day that I got the job as the most pivotal event of my life.

[ChicagoFire]

(02-03-2019 04:41 AM)Graft Wrote:  

I remember getting an interview at top startup for an entry level job, the interviewer was a successful sales manager in his 30's who passed on me, I was unemployed for the next six months. He hit me up a few months ago for another startup job, I replied "lol". I remember two bosses who fired me-both females in their 50's. I know for an almost fact that I'm killing them both in income a year or two after I worked for them.

LMAO!!!!! Throughout my career I've been told off by managers that would just sit on their asses all day long at the back of a room, presumably watching porn while the grunts do all the heavy lifting. It's always that middle manager that makes your life a living hell so props on getting fired. I'll bet money they were the type that would vanish for hours on end and nobody can seem to find them but they're always at that important meeting.

@ GT
I can't find a sales job to save my life so I'm writing that career off. 6 digits is nice scratch but maybe I should read the writing on the wall.

I want to publicly thank scotian for sending me some handy information. This job searching stuff sucks but it doesn't hurt to get a little nudge in the right direction. Just to paraphrase what he PMed me there's blue collar work near where I live and we can thank President Trump for the increase in manufacturing jobs. Once I get off of work I'm applying what he told me. No gym today

[RIslander]

(01-31-2019 07:16 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I was listening to Roosh's recent podcast in which he mentioned getting feedback from white males that they were finding it difficult to get jobs for which they were qualified. This really got me thinking, because I've been pretty well focused on job hunting for a couple months (the baristas at the Starbucks I use as an office are recognizing me now) and the kind of responses I've been getting are totally different from when I job hunted in the past.

In the past I'd get at least to the recruiter phone screening for at least 1/3 to 1/2 of applications, now it's maybe 1/20. And that was back during the Obama recession. Furthermore, I'm more qualified than I was back then with a Master's Degree in Computer Science. My work history is spotty, but it was just as spotty in the past. There are plenty of scam-sounding Indian recruiters, and offers to make me the CEO of an insurance company if I pay to do their scam executive training program. Most of the real responses I get are HR form rejections, which I also don't recall getting much of in the past. You either got an email to set up a phone interview or didn't hear anything.

My most paranoid thought is that Google is just using search engine activity to predict political leanings and establishing a blacklist based on that, but I can't see how such a thing could be disseminated to all the tech companies without anyone whistle-blowing. What I had assumed was the case was that companies are only going after H1-B workers, but another possibility is that those racial and gender identification forms in the applications that aren't supposed to be used for anything are in fact being used, and white males are getting put at the bottom of the list.

I can't completely discount the fact that my resume sucks but I would be interested to hear if other folks have been having similar difficulties job hunting in professional fields.

OP: Have you considered the Military Reserves as an Officer? The Navy Reserve has some great jobs you'd qualify for in Intelligence and Cryptology. Also, the Army Reserve is in need of Signal Officers. The Navy has an age limit of 39 and the Army 33, but these can be waived. You'd get a secret clearance and a world of opportunities with civilian jobs would now be open to you in your field.

[Malone]

(02-01-2019 11:15 AM)scotian Wrote:  

I'm currently working in the middle of nowhere Saskatchewan, Canada. Its about 400 miles north of Montana so you can bet it's cold as fuck out here, it's -20C (-4F) as I type this and it will be even colder this weekend. The ground is covered in snow and ice so getting around and especially working outdoors isn't easy. I'm staying in Canada's Most Dangerous Place where whitey

LOL. I fucking grew up in that shithole. No surprise it's now so bad, surrounded by what, 4 reservations?

[pijamaboy]

I'm surprised about how difficult it is in the US to find a job as a programmer, according to some posts here.

In France, I just have to post my resume online and I'll get harassed by recruiters (probably 15 calls a day) and will get a CDI (contrat à durée indéterminée) 2 weeks after I posted my resume. And that was when I had just graduated a few years ago. Now that I have more experience it would probably be even easier to find a job. But who wants to do that... To get paid a slave salary 40-50K euros per year, pay 25% social security + the taxes every year. No thanks!! I did that for a year just to get some savings then said suck my dick to my company and left.

Being a programmer in France is only good if you're freelance. Else you're basically a monkey slave and will be mocked by the guys that studied in business schools.

[The Beast1]

I have a fake hot female account on LinkedIn that I use for prospecting and general LinkedIn .

Sometimes for shits and giggles, I'll do the quick Linkedin apply where you just submit your profile instead of a resume.

My response rate for this bitch has been astoundingly high especially for programming positions . Yeah she has a degree from Havard and significant consulting experience but you'd think theyd be more discerning
.

Oh and the level of thirst I find is abhorrent. Their game is SO bad.

[Bluto]

In my opinion it has never been "easy" since I graduated college. I graduated just over 13 years ago, and it had been one career disappointment after another, so yes I can relate to the sentiment on this thread. Out of my 13 years, I have only been employed for 8.5 of those years, and of that only 3 years at a full time position that was really a dead end job.(i.e. benefits, 401K, etc.) That means that I worked at shitty contract jobs paying less that what I could get at the grocery store working in the floral department for the other half of my working career. Most of this was my fault as I did a lot of tax work, so on paper I was not a good candidate.(More on that later)

My last position was the full time one, and when it came for the layoff, all that was given was a one months worth of salary and supposed COBRA benefits.(The paperwork magically disappeared in the mail) Honestly I was glad to leave the job as I did not ever get a raise, and it had dead end written all over it. Only good thing was that the 401K was fully vested by the time that I left, and I was looking before the layoff. Honestly, 401K seem to me a stay at your current job tax if you want to keep employer match.

Since then I can tell the differences between now and five years ago and there is a bit of a difference. It used to be that up until a few years ago, all of my applications would end up with the usual "Fuck Off" form letter. I still get those in spades, but this time they take a lot longer to reject them, and I am now getting the occasional HR departments that I apply to calling me for interviews whereas that has never happened since I graduated college. All of my jobs since college were contract positions, including the one that went full time. Right now I do have a contract role, but this one actually pays well enough for me to not hate getting up and going to work, and they are talking about hiring me full time. I will believe it when I have the offer in writing, obviously. Bad news is that this whole website is NSFW there. This is where I do thank God for smart phones.

With all of this in mind, I am one of those believers in that the hiring game is rigged, but for additional reasons than the ones listed above:

1: No matter how important diversity hires are at where you are applying, you still need to beat the box. The HR department can and usually is filled with incompetent feminists who would not know their asshole from a hole in the ground. It took me a while to figure out that they are not reading my resume only to reject, but actually reading the resume's that beat the programs that they use to screen out the spammers.(My quickest rejection was five minutes) I would guess that for the past 13 years, I was not beating the box for almost half of them. Now I make sure that my resume can answer every required qualification that has something specific. I ignore the non specific ones like "Self Starters." If you don't beat their box, then you credentials are not getting into the door.

2: LinkedIn, Career Builder, Indeed, and the rest of them are not the classified section of your local newspaper. They are spammers paradise. This ties in with my first bullet point in beating the box, and the reason why I really don't look at these sites as much. They generally only send you to the company website anyways. They are honestly only good for looking at companies outside of your location. Once I know where to look directly in other locations this becomes useless to me.

3: Unless your name is the same as what is on the building, you don't have a permanent job. Only the children of the owners have a chance for full employment. Everyone else is just a cog in the machine, and you better be prepared for the inevitable layoff.

After reading a few articles from this guy, I tend to think that my bias and cynicism is warranted. My experience has increased my cynicism for the working world. We are at a time in our period where companies went to basically a skeleton crew during the last recession. Like gas prices going down, employers will resist changing things until it is absolutely necessary. I have no idea if it will get better. How much of the work that the retiring boomers will go to automation, how much will go to H1B visa hires, or downright outsourcing? I don't know, but I do know that this new company that wants to hire me will not have the starry eyed young man that I was but the cynical curmudgeon that I am now.

[ChicagoFire]

^^

Now that I think of it I have a friend that is a really nice guy...I think you all can tell where this is heading. Went to school for engineering, graduate degree in operations, has a kid, and can't hold a job for the life of him. I met him through my current company and based on what my superiors have told me he isn't trainable. He just mentally freezes. I haven't spent as much on schooling and I make more than him.

I personally have tried to help him by giving him links to work from home companies and as far as I know he hasn't applied. I think his biggest problem is he's set on using his degree. He means well by working at non profits but nice doesn't cut it. You either can make it or you can't. There are rich people that are nice but there are also some rich people that are assholes. Likewise there are poor people with a heart of gold and poor people that are pricks.

When you throw in the factors people mentioned here part of it is the applicant themselves. Some people just aren't cut out for the world unfortunately. I'm getting started following scotian's advice, just needed to deload from working at my deadend job.

[Praetor Lupus]

I noticed when I was job hunting early in 2018 that companies will now just not respond to you if you haven't been successful. Before this time, I would generally always get a rejection letter or email.

Apparently it's too time consuming to make a list of all the names and email addresses of those who haven't been successful and then just send them a blanket generic email.

If these fucks ignored a customer email in the same way they'd be chewed up, but for some reason it's acceptable to do the same to applicants.

Another reason why I decided to become self-employed late in 2018.

[AntoniusofEfa]

(02-03-2019 04:45 PM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  

I noticed when I was job hunting early in 2018 that companies will now just not respond to you if you haven't been successful. Before this time, I would generally always get a rejection letter or email.

Apparently it's too time consuming to make a list of all the names and email addresses of those who haven't been successful and then just send them a blanket generic email.

If these fucks ignored a customer email in the same way they'd be chewed up, but for some reason it's acceptable to do the same to applicants.

Another reason why I decided to become self-employed late in 2018.

You'd be a sucker for not going self employed. My friend got an offer for 42k doing embedded software in Munich. That is about 21.8 Euro Brutto before taxes. The same job as a freelancer? we are talking about 50 to 75 Euro per hour. And that is the bare minimum rate for a job not in Munich.

Going freelance is the only way to make money nowadays. And the best part is, that if the company is going under, or the boss is being a bitch, or whatever, you can just walk and get the next gig.

[Rhyme or Reason]

@beast1

You should post screenshots in the white knight thread. Also, you should change her credentials to be mediocre and see how she does in the job market then.

[2 Cool 4 U]

(02-01-2019 01:22 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Well let's agreed to disagree... but it baffles my mind why someone in shape wouldn't go the Trades Route instead of struggling like a Madman for years in a cubicle "playing a Rigged Game" while being underpaid!

Scotian & Castle on this Forum have been telling us for YEARS How anyone who ain't pissing hot and doesn't have $hit for Brains can make 6 figures... and yet 3 digits IQ Men won't jump at this opportunity?!!?! Why! Because it's a Lil Physical?!?

To Each is own... but I'd rather sweat a little instead of Relocating to these God expensive places hoping... hoping to get ahead!

A lot of people working in the trades were laid off when the recession began in 2008. They couldn't find work in their field so they had to find work in other industries. This is kind of why the trades gets overlooked.

[RawGod]

(02-01-2019 01:22 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Scotian & Castle on this Forum have been telling us for YEARS How anyone who ain't pissing hot and doesn't have $hit for Brains can make 6 figures... and yet 3 digits IQ Men won't jump at this opportunity?!!?! Why! Because it's a Lil Physical?!?

Different backgrounds and temperaments. To me it was a no-brainer to get into online services like digital marketing, I couldn't imagine living in frozen or hot wastelands for 6 months with guys who dropped out of high school and drink like fish. I'm sure they're great guys and I would have broadened my life experience, but it's just not something that comes naturally to a lot of us soft folks.

[Captain Gh]

(02-05-2019 12:53 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:22 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Scotian & Castle on this Forum have been telling us for YEARS How anyone who ain't pissing hot and doesn't have $hit for Brains can make 6 figures... and yet 3 digits IQ Men won't jump at this opportunity?!!?! Why! Because it's a Lil Physical?!?

Different backgrounds and temperaments. To me it was a no-brainer to get into online services like digital marketing, I couldn't imagine living in frozen or hot wastelands for 6 months with guys who dropped out of high school and drink like fish. I'm sure they're great guys and I would have broadened my life experience, but it's just not something that comes naturally to a lot of us soft folks.

Hey I'm in the same boat as you on this one... but if you were struggling right here right now... wouldn't it be THE logical choice to get your money up as quickly as possible... and then go back to what you're best suited quickly as possible... instead of busting your ass in "nice comfortable" work for low pay? No Brainer for me! I would view it as a Giant Gym Session of Drop Sets

[ChicagoFire]

@Captain
Some people are dead set on using their degree. Sunken cost fallacy. See my post on my buddy and his advanced degree and how he can't find a job now. Meanwhile there's some 18 year old raking in $200K a year drilling oil. People don't realize they are replaceable in today's work environment and you might as well take the best offer on the table like roughneck work and reinvesting the money wisely. It's only going to get worse with AI and automation in the works now.

Well it's do or die this week for me. Yesterday I got a call from a recruiter that only led to a LinkedIn connection. I'm meeting with a recruiter and receiving a call from another one today, lunch with a connector tomorrow, and a F2F job interview Thursday. I got lucky with my LinkedIn cold networking approach and will be talking to someone either Thursday or next week. While my phone isn't blowing up I have never in my career had so many opportunities on the table. I use what I call a 360 job blitz approach. 3 different high paying industries (sales, roughneck work, [private]), multiple states, warm leads like networking events, cold approaching via LinkedIn and online apps, and using bargaining chips on recruiters. Not bad for an introvert.

Beyond this week if nothing pans out I'll intensely follow scotian's advice for a week and after that start the process of relocating to North Dakota. I'll probably start off working food service and network my way into the oil sands. If anything while there are many things wrong with the job market today you still can come out as a winner.

[Cattle Rustler]

Damn. This thread sounds like something off Jezebel. Y’all done snowflaking?

Yeah it’s harder but once you know how to puff your resume and have some solid IN DEMAND skills you’ll be good. My previous healthcare job did get me some calls for like 45k. Now with this oilfield shit I get messages on LinkedIn, calls, and emails every fucking week. Even for stuff that’s unrelated like logistics, oil&gas office jobs, and regular office jobs. Why? Because I have a degree AND they know I won’t bitch due to working 30+ days/nights in shitty weather.

It’s almost the same reason companies like to hire vets. They don’t bitch compared to your college snowflake, or red pilled alt-right snowflake in the case.