[Corinth Arkadin]

(01-02-2019 04:07 PM)MANic Wrote:  

^^^ I live in Africa boyos

They have Wi-Fi in Africa?

I thought Wikanda was a fictional country. Last I saw, there was no running water, hackings with machetes occurred on a daily basis, and there was famine, blights, and GRIDS related deaths were peaking.

[Roosh]

3 day suspension for nomadbrah for dramatically inserting race into man's death.

Ban for Manic, who had ignored previous warnings.

[Rotten]

RIP Little Dark

[IveBeenFramed]

Trajectory of this post:

[Higgs Bosun]

(01-02-2019 03:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

A brave romanian man rushes into a fight to save his bouncer coworkers and gets cowardly stabbed to death by 9 scumbags who look to be pakistani or arab. The difference between the heroic western ideal and the cowardly mideastern mob, could not be more clear.

Definitely a sad story, but I'm going to have to jump on the brakes for a moment about the whole "heroic western ideal." Who's dead here? In fact, who's going to be dead every.single.time the "heroic western ideal" meets "cowardly mideastern mob"?



We're in a world where every other group spits and laughs at the heroic western ideal and then forms a mob to beat the ever living shit out of the western "hero" before fucking his women. Who runs the streets in Western countries, the western "heros" or "cowardly" middle easterners and blacks? The proof is in the pudding. There is nothing noble about being a victim and always losing, and a strategy that always leads to victimhood and losing should be shunned not celebrated.

Personally, I'll reserve my applause until I hear of a case where a large group of white men forms and takes the day from a similarly sized or smaller group of invaders. That might not show chivalry but it would show serious-mindedness and a willingness to win rather than "lose well."

[TravelerKai]

Would love to hear the delightful insight of the value of "boxing" for street defense situations from any of the several boxing trolls in my martial arts thread.

Boxing is not enough when the tactical realities today are what they are. London is just fucking dangerous. Most stabbings of any other Western countries.The Old Bill's Cookie Monster Rubbish Bin asking thugs to dump their knives into his mouth campaign must not be working....

I've gotten several PMs, in the past 2 years, from UK guys looking for advice on knife carrying. It is a touchy subject because the UK laws will not allow you to carry your own for protection, but it may be worth taking the risk to carry your own belt hidden karambit. Cannot fight a legal case if you are flayed dead on the street. Ethical carry and legal carry are two very different issues.

Even if you do not want to carry your own for the legal reasons, you guys over there may want to find a local class to learn how to disarm them and use them against the attacker. 9 Attackers are bad odds no doubt, but disarming the one with the knife and stabbing him or another, like a grapple and grab into a meat shield with the neck to his knife might stop the others. If it does not, slice his neck to show that you mean business, toss him and bolt if possible.

Regardless boxing dudes in the street is ridiculous. Today's world requires more skills and options than mere punching.

[Belgrano]

(01-02-2019 05:35 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Quote:

Romanian Tudor (pictured with his girlfriend Madalina) died trying to stop a group of gatecrashers from entering a private bash at one of Britain's most exclusive student houses also linked to swingers' parties.

Wait a second, a student house linked to swingers' parties?


Looks like 19 year old me stayed in the wrong dorms!

[RIslander]

(01-02-2019 05:50 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

3 day suspension for nomadbrah for dramatically inserting race into man's death.

Ban for Manic, who had ignored previous warnings.

I have to respectfully disagree with the 3 day suspension of nomadbrah... these guys did appear to be of Arab descent from what I can see. This type of crime is also in line with rapefugee behavior.

We will have to wait until they're caught, which they will be, and see. Nine guys on the street can't get away with murder like this - the fact that details of the murderers haven't been released yet is pretty much all we need to know.

[Thomas Jackson]

He could have used a gun. 1 v 9 with weapons is a no win scenario. I assume even for private security that is virtually impossible in the UK though.

[mehdreamer]

RIP to the bouncer...but he wasn't fighting nine individuals by himself like it was portrayed by the daily mail.

That is an exaggeration meant to trigger an emotional response.

A red pilled man should always remain rational and analyze the data without letting his judgment get too clouded with emotions. We leave emotions to women.

If you watch carefully the video, the bouncer intervened in a middle of an already going on fight between these thugs.

From 0:09 till 0:34: Thugs fighting among each other.

From 0:34 till 0:49: Bouncer checking what’s going on before deciding to intervene.

From 0:49: Bouncer start hitting the closest guy found. He hit two guys in total.

The stabbing happened probably after the video.

The thugs were fighting among each other anyway, they were not friends. It doesn’t make sense to miraculously join forces and fight the bouncer.

Another point : The police did not arrest 9 individuals but only one, probably the stabber.

Now, regarding the whole “heroic western ideal” Vs “Middle Eastern cowardice”.
If anyone really believes it and that makes them happy. Well, by any means.

But reality is different. It is never black or white.

I googled to see if similar cases have happened before and I found some.

I will not post them as I don’t want to feed a race-bait thread and don’t want to get banned. I can still PM the links.

The banned user have made a point about Irak.

This is how a lot of Middle Easterners saw the thing:

A coalition of Western countries attacking a single third world country and destroying it.

These same countries will never attack China or Russia. They only attack the weak.
This argument can be made to counter the other argument.

The fact that it happened 20 years ago does not disqualify the argument, as ethics and moral values do not change in 20 years.

OP's 3 days ban is deserved.

[RatInTheWoods]

London has become the stabbing capital of the western world in recent years.

What have they changed in the last 30 years to have gone from 'cups to tea and sarcasm' to 9 on 1 knifeings?

Hmm really makes you think, don't it?

[Bienvenuto]

Race is important here. Or Culture if you really want to split hairs.

He got enriched.

Ive seen fights like that between punters and doormen outside British nightclubs all my life. Its called protecting your door.
What I haven't seen is doormen getting stabbed for it.

Quit crying gentlemen. "But what about...America!" "But what about...Slavery!"

Touched a nerve it seems.

When I worked in property it was drilled in us all the time - over 2/3's of Londoners and counting are now new people from overseas. The businesses didnt give a shit about how it looked PC-wise, or what Govt censors wanted repeated, they went with the most reliable stats.

When my cultural enriching attackers were on trial in Oslo for a 7 on 1 celebration after they believed that they had kicked me to death all you could see was staff running around the corridors trying to find more and more interpreters for different courtrooms. 'We need another Farsi interpreter! We need someone who speaks Arabic in a Maghrebi dialect.." You couldn't have made it up.

London is now a shithole of diverse wonderful people all buying into some kind of Entitled Gangsta attitude.

The old London communities, be they white or West Indian or whatever have gone in a matter of less than 15/20 years.

This is a new London and the dream was that into this new social vacuum that has been created would be a capitalist new culture - the only unifying touchstones being Netflix, Starbucks, Social Media, aspirational consumerism - all transacted in Broken English.

Well, welcome to the fucking dream..

Problem is now that, on top of these scarface-wannabe-dipshits, is that the kids (their kids) coming up have no real schooling, no discipline in schools, no ready made wider communities to join or be a part of, no wider groups of adults to relate to that even speak their language be it English or otherwise.

London is atomised and the new kids buy into the gangsta culture for various reasons not least because there is nothing in British culture that they admire or even like, nothing that they aren't happy to denigrate and play the race card over, nothing else for that matter they really share with their diverse classmates or want to sign up to with each other apart from hunching their shoulders and saying 'don't mess with me/ I'll stick you twice in the neck/ leave you on the deck/ put you 6 foot deep' etc. etc.

It is only going to get worse.

[Constitution45]

London still has a low murder rate but it is a dangerous place. The level of stabbings and random brutality is high. The difference now compared to 15 years ago is that the local hospitals are much better equipped to deal with knife and gun injuries.

Rest in peace

[Muffuguh]

The UK sources I've seen are not showing any video footage of the fight before the murder, are avoiding giving a description of the people involved, and have disabled comments on this story so you can draw your own conclusions about the origin of the attackers.

[Bienvenuto]

(01-03-2019 12:58 AM)Muffuguh Wrote:  

The UK sources I've seen are not showing any video footage of the fight before the murder, are avoiding giving a description of the people involved, and have disabled comments on this story so you can draw your own conclusions about the origin of the attackers.

And yet we're reading about.. 'Don't bring race into this'! ...'the Iraq War'! and... 'Slavery'!..

Righto..

[Transsimian]

Just be glad stab-proof vests are still legal in the UK.
https://www.safeguardclothing.com/uk/art...ur-uk-law/

I have already picked what I'm wearing to the club.


Jokes aside, Rest in peace Tudor, the world has one less hero.

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-02-2019 04:51 PM)heavy Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 04:31 PM)MANic Wrote:  

...
In re Heavy's post.A quote from the OP, "The difference between the heroic western ideal and the cowardly mideastern mob, could not be more clear."

How else does one interpret that?

Well for starters, western culture is better because we've adopted many of the best ideas from western philosophers since Aristotle. The enlightenment made individual rights (over the collective) paramount.

While you can argue why western culture is better, it's tough to argue statistics. If you doubt me, see the following images: First one reflects women's rights, second one reflects slavery, third one reflects homicide/murder rates, fourth one reflects free speech rights (for liberals, I would add in homosexual rights, but I'll forego that map for this forum)









Now that we've established some cultures are better than others, it's simply a matter of *why* some cultures are better. OP posits it's because of ideals, specifically that of the hero. I grew up and live in the West, so can attest to these positive ideals.

Post the color-coded maps of divorce rates, children without fathers around, illegal drug use, antidepressant use, rates of imprisonment, and self-reported happiness. You basically picked the things the West is better at, posted those maps, and then stated that you've established the West is better.

I can pick things I'm better at than you, make a diagram of it, and then tell you I've established why I'm better than you.

But that's ass-backwards reasoning.

[atlant]

(01-03-2019 05:00 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Post the color-coded maps of divorce rates, children without fathers around, illegal drug use, antidepressant use, rates of imprisonment, and self-reported happiness. You basically picked the things the West is better at, posted those maps, and then stated that you've established the West is better.

I can pick things I'm better at than you, make a diagram of it, and then tell you I've established why I'm better than you.

But that's ass-backwards reasoning.

Are you really bringing up divorce rates as a counter argument to murder rates here just so that the trash cultures of the world also get their day in the sun?

Also, you know why divorce rates in shithole countries are lower? Right...right? Sorry, just asking, since I have to seriously question your intellect at this point.

[Kieran]

(01-02-2019 07:43 PM)mehdreamer Wrote:  

I googled to see if similar cases have happened before and I found some.

Unfortunately this kind of thing is very common in British nightlife, which is why in cities like mine a lot of head doormen will know or even be somewhat from the gang world so that they can have some kind of a situation with the gangs that can keep things working (easier to just let them in, but then they end up with situations like what happened with a major club here that lost the license because they were letting one of this city's main gangs come and go without searches). But doors getting stormed is still really common because a lot of security staff don't know the faces and or get told not to let them in, and we've had doormen shot and stabbed here quite a lot.

The average punter has no clue that nightlife is like this.

[Cation]

Hm...I look at the video, and see the fight ocurred in front of the club. Nobody was fighting him directly.

Not sure if it was his job to intervene.

Conclusions based on video.

[Cation]

(01-03-2019 06:49 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

and we've had doormen shot and stabbed here quite a lot.

Btw, how do you define 'a lot'?

Is 10 doormen stabbings in 365 days a lot? Or is it 100 doormen stabbings in 365 days?

[Constitution45]

You can’t really quantify gangs or who knows who in London, there are simply too many and the city is too large. Especially in central London and the West End where everyone comes from all over to party or start trouble.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-02-2019 06:32 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Would love to hear the delightful insight of the value of "boxing" for street defense situations from any of the several boxing trolls in my martial arts thread.

I did boxing for many years, english, american, thaï ..
The techniques are totally useless for the street.
The cardiovascular condition, reflexes, peripheral vision etc are not.

France also forbids carrying a knife - I still have one on myself at all times.
It is far from being the best weapon for the street though, stopping power is limited and consequences are usually pretty serious - ideally you'd want the exact opposite.

There is something to be said about whether you would want to respect the laws of a country which does not allow you to defend yourself.
I assume the UK also forbids batons ?
What about a big flashlight or something you could also use indirectly as a weapon ?

[Bienvenuto]

(01-03-2019 07:54 AM)Cation Wrote:  

(01-03-2019 06:49 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

and we've had doormen shot and stabbed here quite a lot.

Btw, how do you define 'a lot'?

Is 10 doormen stabbings in 365 days a lot? Or is it 100 doormen stabbings in 365 days?

I lived in South Manchester and the local pub door got stormed by people from Salford.

Everybody knew Everybody else involved: there were no surprises apart from the night they chose.

Guy I knew Ricky, central area boxing champion, was going off at the other doormen afterwards: "Its your door! You have to protect your door!" because many of them had shat themselves.

The various gangland celebrities kept making appearances at that pub afterwards or in Salford until the whole thing got thrashed out.

Theres also the example of Viv Graham and the gangland disputes that that bouncer was muscle for before he was shot.

It will take roughly 18 months but I guarantee you / I prophesy.. there were no gangland machinations here. This was no Manchester in the 90s where the Salford gangs had a free pass into the Hacienda and various turf wars got fought on club doors.

This was rent a mob security coming across Fuckwit 1 Fuckwit 2 through 3 all the way up to Fuckwit 9 and as the bullshit starts and violence erupts the doorman stands his ground, (expects more back up presumably but I can tell you getting badged up and doing the doors in London is something my mildest and most inexperienced friends have been able to do) and gets stabbed from behind for his pains.

The people doing it may aspire to being gangland figures but ... I prophesy.. no-one knew of them to be afraid of them, just a bunch of dipshits carrying knives and enriching the population as they move through it.

The police will have arrested one because they believe he was the one who carried a knife and used it, very hard to defend under British law, the others would claim self defence and it would be a clusterfuck trying to get the minor charges of affray and abh to stick on them and the complex charge of joint-enterprise wouldn't work either.

lets not confuse old school nightclub and gangland situations with the fuckwits acting up here.

[Richard Turpin]

Local knowledge and being affiliated with the biggest baddest gang is most helpful for doormen. You have to nip it in the bud by making lesser gangs know that they can't even get near your club in the first place. At least in the old days. British society has changed so much that there isn't really a fix for this mess as it stands now. I avoid the places now, will stick to my local thanks.

As for martial arts etc. I love MA but street fighting is a numbers (and weapons) game. I've seen vids of one-man armies but they are rare and the protagonist usually has surprise on his side. The excellent Martial Arts thread has plenty of posters who express this better than I can.