[heavy]

(01-03-2019 05:00 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

....

Post the color-coded maps of divorce rates, children without fathers around, illegal drug use, antidepressant use, rates of imprisonment, and self-reported happiness. You basically picked the things the West is better at, posted those maps, and then stated that you've established the West is better.

I can pick things I'm better at than you, make a diagram of it, and then tell you I've established why I'm better than you.

But that's ass-backwards reasoning.

Touche'

[Thot Leader]

(01-03-2019 09:41 AM)heavy Wrote:  

(01-03-2019 05:00 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

....

Post the color-coded maps of divorce rates, children without fathers around, illegal drug use, antidepressant use, rates of imprisonment, and self-reported happiness. You basically picked the things the West is better at, posted those maps, and then stated that you've established the West is better.

I can pick things I'm better at than you, make a diagram of it, and then tell you I've established why I'm better than you.

But that's ass-backwards reasoning.

Touche'

Divorce, single motherhood/fatherless kids are largely consequences of wealth and prosperity. I don't think I need to explain this. Same with the mental health/pharma industry. There's no disputing there are problems in the west, but to compare them to the kinds of savagery we see among third world cultures and their transplants is disingenuous at best.

[SteezeySteve]

The English should start paying some Eastern European under world heavys to deal with the infestation since the police seem to be doing a bad job of it.
Live stream shit over tor and make gang war snuff films. Some real life peaky blinders type shit.

[Sweet smells of Vagina]

Arabs. How surprising.

Better fight that crass when they are alone.

[PapayaTapper]

^Username

[redpillage]

(01-02-2019 07:11 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 05:50 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

3 day suspension for nomadbrah for dramatically inserting race into man's death.

Ban for Manic, who had ignored previous warnings.

I have to respectfully disagree with the 3 day suspension of nomadbrah... these guys did appear to be of Arab descent from what I can see. This type of crime is also in line with rapefugee behavior.

We will have to wait until they're caught, which they will be, and see. Nine guys on the street can't get away with murder like this - the fact that details of the murderers haven't been released yet is pretty much all we need to know.

I second that sentiment. And FWIW - this is exactly why the other side keeps winning. They spit in our faces at every turn and we ban our own for wrong speak.

Fuck it, doesn't really matter anymore. Everywhere I look I see us losing on all fronts.

[Cation]

Would offer consolation to grieving widow.

[HornyRamone]

delete

[TravelerKai]

(01-03-2019 08:47 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 06:32 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Would love to hear the delightful insight of the value of "boxing" for street defense situations from any of the several boxing trolls in my martial arts thread.

I did boxing for many years, english, american, thaï ..
The techniques are totally useless for the street.
The cardiovascular condition, reflexes, peripheral vision etc are not.

France also forbids carrying a knife - I still have one on myself at all times.
It is far from being the best weapon for the street though, stopping power is limited and consequences are usually pretty serious - ideally you'd want the exact opposite.

There is something to be said about whether you would want to respect the laws of a country which does not allow you to defend yourself.
I assume the UK also forbids batons ?
What about a big flashlight or something you could also use indirectly as a weapon ?

I don't know about a flashlight or baton, I will let a local answer that question.

It is morally wrong and unethical to not defend yourself from death and injury. Laws and ethics are not always on the same page. If it were me I would carry something if I was not skilled enough or comfortable enough to use my hands. A force multiplier does not always have to be a knife, stick, or gun. A strong can of pepper spray (not that wimpy shit, get the stuff that has a thick jet) can stop pieces of shit in their tracks. Just make sure you know what direction the wind is blowing before you spray, just pivot and spray quickly in a sweep then go for individual eyes. Once they get a taste most back off.

Bear grade spray or those ghost pepper level ones seem to be the best ones I have seen. Knowing the UK, yeah you might still go to jail for using it, but at least you did not stab or kill someone.

I don't recommend stun guns and tasers, especially in places with cold weather. Jackets and coats will defeat those prongs. There are actually a few videos of UK police getting wrecked by some scumbag after their stun guns failed. Even if the taser worked, if you stop their heart with it and they die, I am certain you will be on the hook for it.

Shit what about brass knuckles? You know for a fact if you can box well and get at least one punch on a piece of trash, you can believe it would be a 1 hitter quitter. Sometimes being old school can work out. Wearing knuckles you can probably jab-cross each guy and lay them down and keep moving in a circle on the outside. If you have a very bad arm reach length, would be probably the worse aspect of that. Clock a few and run and maybe you can get away. Goes without saying, toss the knuckles in a river later on.... I doubt thugs will snitch on that because it would mean they snitched on themselves, but too many dudes these days are pussy, I would not chance it.

[Cr33pin]

(01-03-2019 11:14 AM)Cation Wrote:  

Would offer consolation to grieving widow.

I find this distasteful... an if I find something distasteful you know its fucked up

[Muffuguh]

(01-03-2019 08:47 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 06:32 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Would love to hear the delightful insight of the value of "boxing" for street defense situations from any of the several boxing trolls in my martial arts thread.

I did boxing for many years, english, american, thaï ..
The techniques are totally useless for the street.
The cardiovascular condition, reflexes, peripheral vision etc are not.

France also forbids carrying a knife - I still have one on myself at all times.
It is far from being the best weapon for the street though, stopping power is limited and consequences are usually pretty serious - ideally you'd want the exact opposite.

There is something to be said about whether you would want to respect the laws of a country which does not allow you to defend yourself.
I assume the UK also forbids batons ?
What about a big flashlight or something you could also use indirectly as a weapon ?

Not sure what you mean about knives having limited stopping power-about 140 people were "stopped" permanently in London in 2018, mostly by knife, I guess it depens on the level of commitment.

Yes batons are forbidden in the UK (along with pepper spray, which is considered a firearm if you're stopped by the police), but flashlights are not. Neither are those motorcycle gloves with reinforced knuckles AFAIK. Personally I have a plastic "pressure tool" which doesn't look like a weapon but which can crack a skull open if used correctly.

[the.king]

RIP to the man.

Will never understand why security in the UK have to dress like that.

You wear a suit and a tie if you work in a bank.

If you work with thugs you wear anti-slash clothing like police do, or at least thick jackets with extra material on the inside like a football hooligan.

[Rocha]

(01-02-2019 06:32 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Would love to hear the delightful insight of the value of "boxing" for street defense situations from any of the several boxing trolls in my martial arts thread.

Boxing is not enough when the tactical realities today are what they are. London is just fucking dangerous. Most stabbings of any other Western countries.The Old Bill's Cookie Monster Rubbish Bin asking thugs to dump their knives into his mouth campaign must not be working....

I've gotten several PMs, in the past 2 years, from UK guys looking for advice on knife carrying. It is a touchy subject because the UK laws will not allow you to carry your own for protection, but it may be worth taking the risk to carry your own belt hidden karambit. Cannot fight a legal case if you are flayed dead on the street. Ethical carry and legal carry are two very different issues.

Even if you do not want to carry your own for the legal reasons, you guys over there may want to find a local class to learn how to disarm them and use them against the attacker. 9 Attackers are bad odds no doubt, but disarming the one with the knife and stabbing him or another, like a grapple and grab into a meat shield with the neck to his knife might stop the others. If it does not, slice his neck to show that you mean business, toss him and bolt if possible.

Regardless boxing dudes in the street is ridiculous. Today's world requires more skills and options than mere punching.

Have you ever disarmed a knife wielding attacker?

If not, this is simply circle jerking that might get people hurt.

The most effective defense against knives is running, or doubling down with a steel pipe or a gun.

[astro]

They do sell stab vests. Almost sounds like a necessity if you’re a bouncer in certain locations.

[scotian]

I just typed "Romanian beats Muslim" into Youtube and was not disappointed.

[Kieran]

Looks like I was wrong and it might be Islam after all, as apparently Abu Hamza's son is being questioned over it according to the Daily Mail.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-03-2019 01:24 PM)Muffuguh Wrote:  

Not sure what you mean about knives having limited stopping power-about 140 people were "stopped" permanently in London in 2018, mostly by knife, I guess it depens on the level of commitment.

Yeah, maybe I should have been clearer.

Here most people who carry knives have folders not fixed blades, so it's more slash than stab.
The problem is that with adrenaline you can slash quite some time before the guy notices it, unless it's in invalidating spots.
During that time the guy continues kicking your ass or worse.
But yes, after a couple of minutes chances are he'll die from the bleeding.
The problem is that to you in a fight a couple of minutes is basically eternity.

That's what I meant by low stopping power, but dramatic consequences afterwards.
Ideally you would want the opposite, something where one hit stops the guy right away, but with no subsequent injuries.

What do you mean with pressure tool, something like a kubotan ?

[SteezeySteve]

Fuck it not talking specifically sf. I hear there's some cool units in the us army that knife fight on the daily....Brits need to pool a company sized element of these cats together and pull security on those doors if the eastern European cats can't do it.

Soros would drop off some antifa funded shit out there two and shit would be poppin and nightlife might even get good again. The coke game would be fucked so drug use would drop.

Even helps with us Russia relations by aligning interests.

Laundromats ,banking and real estate companies would boom due to money laundering needs.Stock markets would fluctuate heavy due to dips and rises when high risk types have money to gamble in the markets.

[CaptainChardonnay]

(01-03-2019 01:02 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(01-03-2019 08:47 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 06:32 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Would love to hear the delightful insight of the value of "boxing" for street defense situations from any of the several boxing trolls in my martial arts thread.

I did boxing for many years, english, american, thaï ..
The techniques are totally useless for the street.
The cardiovascular condition, reflexes, peripheral vision etc are not.

France also forbids carrying a knife - I still have one on myself at all times.
It is far from being the best weapon for the street though, stopping power is limited and consequences are usually pretty serious - ideally you'd want the exact opposite.

There is something to be said about whether you would want to respect the laws of a country which does not allow you to defend yourself.
I assume the UK also forbids batons ?
What about a big flashlight or something you could also use indirectly as a weapon ?

I don't know about a flashlight or baton, I will let a local answer that question.

It is morally wrong and unethical to not defend yourself from death and injury. Laws and ethics are not always on the same page. If it were me I would carry something if I was not skilled enough or comfortable enough to use my hands. A force multiplier does not always have to be a knife, stick, or gun. A strong can of pepper spray (not that wimpy shit, get the stuff that has a thick jet) can stop pieces of shit in their tracks. Just make sure you know what direction the wind is blowing before you spray, just pivot and spray quickly in a sweep then go for individual eyes. Once they get a taste most back off.

Bear grade spray or those ghost pepper level ones seem to be the best ones I have seen. Knowing the UK, yeah you might still go to jail for using it, but at least you did not stab or kill someone.

I don't recommend stun guns and tasers, especially in places with cold weather. Jackets and coats will defeat those prongs. There are actually a few videos of UK police getting wrecked by some scumbag after their stun guns failed. Even if the taser worked, if you stop their heart with it and they die, I am certain you will be on the hook for it.

Shit what about brass knuckles? You know for a fact if you can box well and get at least one punch on a piece of trash, you can believe it would be a 1 hitter quitter. Sometimes being old school can work out. Wearing knuckles you can probably jab-cross each guy and lay them down and keep moving in a circle on the outside. If you have a very bad arm reach length, would be probably the worse aspect of that. Clock a few and run and maybe you can get away. Goes without saying, toss the knuckles in a river later on.... I doubt thugs will snitch on that because it would mean they snitched on themselves, but too many dudes these days are pussy, I would not chance it.

When I travel, I carry around a big carbon fiber umbrella with a pointy end. Most people keep the fuck away when they see me walking around and if anyone asks, I just say I thought it was going to rain.

If the one I have breaks I'm planning to one one of those self defence umbrellas that can smash a watermelon open.

[RIslander]

I find it insane that this type of thing happens in the UK. I worked all though college as a bouncer in a busy beach bar with north of 1,000 covers a night and known for out of town tourists. Jersey Shore type crowd... Not many locals. I'm fit but of average build.. Not an intimidating type and still was never fucked with. We'd have a few scuffs but never any significant violence against staff and never use of weapons.

The fact that Brits smash glass bottles across each others heads on a daily basis with impunity... UK sounds like a seriously dangerous place. I'm glad I stayed safe during my visits there.

[CaptainChardonnay]

(01-03-2019 02:39 PM)astro Wrote:  

They do sell stab vests. Almost sounds like a necessity if you’re a bouncer in certain locations.

German SEK operators wear chain mail now.

[LeeEnfield303]

(01-02-2019 04:32 PM)El Padrone Wrote:  

This thread will not end well...

These sorts of threads never end.

[Sgt Donger]

(01-03-2019 07:44 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

I first thought that it was a photo of the police arresting a couple of Muslim women

[Constitution45]

Stabbings are very common. A lot of Brits outside the big cities live in a bit of a bubble when it comes to violence. They still think drunk geezers starting fights at football is a problem.

The level of violence and methods used to inflict pain on others in places like London and Birmingham is immense.

Most stabbings don’t result in deaths, especially over the last decade, hospitals like kings college hospital and St. George’s have upped their game. If someone is admitted to hospital they rarely actually die.

Plus SO19 patrol around these areas and they are well trained with these sorts of serous injuries. Let alone paramedics.

I recommend watching street blogs on Instagram, it’s like a British version of Worldstar, shows you what England is like.

[SteezeySteve]

Danm as much as we could bitch about America being a police state Germany seems to be huge on their highly militarized 'swat units'
Are these the type of people who show up to calls where there's violence in Germany and then they have traffic cops or do they just patrol city streets to make people feel safe?

American cops are just always kitted out rolling with rifles but are more like trigger happy storm troopers who have to deal with the constitution/internal investigation (on average you'll know what your dealing with dependent upon area) than street super soldiers who hunt criminals at night seamlessly.

How come we dont hear about German militarized police unit killings is that rare or are american cops not getting the bad draw here with the sjws media coverage everytime they kill someone?