[MongolianAbroad]

(12-17-2018 06:26 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

I think people also underestimate the effect porn has on women’s sexual development as well.
Young girls curious about sex are educated and exposed to men with giant cocks slamming plastic whore’s, black men banging white women, white cuckolds, lesbianism and all sorts of weird and degenerate shit.

The Anti-Miscenegation league had to make an appearance. Those pristine white women working in porn getting banged by black men, the horror! If only those were white men, all would be well with the world again, I'm sure.

Someone's packing a serious case of penis envy here. I'm thinking Aszhaeleos spends a lot of time watching "blacks on blondes."

"Just because I love watching it don't make it right!" -- Aszhaeleos

[Aszhaeleos]

Settle down Silverberg. That’s a lot of straw men you’re slinging there.

Go lookup some porn now and I bet you’re overwhelmed with black male on white women content. It’s just a fact.

[Aszhaeleos]

Masturbating to porn is a bit like cuckoldry in a way. You watch other men screw women while not participating in the act and develop an arousal for it.

[david.garrett84]

(12-17-2018 08:17 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

Settle down Silverberg. That’s a lot of straw men you’re slinging there.

That’s pretty rich coming from you. Anyone who doesn’t share your opinions on Jews and Israel is immediately called a Jew, a Zionist or supposedly works for Mossad.

[Thot Leader]

(12-17-2018 07:29 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 06:26 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

I think people also underestimate the effect porn has on women’s sexual development as well.
Young girls curious about sex are educated and exposed to men with giant cocks slamming plastic whore’s, black men banging white women, white cuckolds, lesbianism and all sorts of weird and degenerate shit.

The Anti-Miscenegation league had to make an appearance. Those pristine white women working in porn getting banged by black men, the horror! If only those were white men, all would be well with the world again, I'm sure.

Someone's packing a serious case of penis envy here. I'm thinking Aszhaeleos spends a lot of time watching "blacks on blondes."

"Just because I love watching it don't make it right!" -- Aszhaeleos

From ROK: THE HIDDEN AGENDA BEHIND INTERRACIAL PORNOGRAPHY

[Aszhaeleos]

(12-17-2018 08:42 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 08:17 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

Settle down Silverberg. That’s a lot of straw men you’re slinging there.

That’s pretty rich coming from you. Anyone who doesn’t share your opinions on Jews and Israel is immediately called a Jew, a Zionist or supposedly works for Mossad.

You Goldsteins sure do love your strawmen.

[Kamikaze]

Just a tip. There's still a niche of women who prefer personal, real-life interaction with warm-blooded guys over the comfort of their homes watching netflix eating ice cream.

Social dancing. I've been dancing for years and it's the easiest way to rack up numbers if you're interested, and are living in a city with a 'healthy' scene.

Go to a dancing venue, and you see all these women who have made the choice to go out and dance with new, random guys, over staying home. There really is no situation quite like that, where women will willingly be approached by strangers to spend minutes at a time together. The problem, of course, is that to take advantage of this opportunity, you have to become a very good dancer, and overall be a well-rounded guy. And that is not easy.

As an old school player on this forum once said, 5 years ago:

(03-07-2013 04:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I mean, getting in great shape, dressing well, becoming a great conversationalist, building wealth and power and becoming a great dancer is proven to work -- yet not every guy is doing that.

Most people are just to lazy to become successful.

Still rings true. I'm not sure there's any other venue or situation where you get 3-4 minutes to make a good first impression, without even having to talk.

[realologist]

The average young person has less sex. Who cares. Less relationships=Less sex and more partners for most people. Who wants to be average. You should want greatness but are you willing to work for it.

If you walk the walk and put in the work you can be getting laid with different chicks like no other time in history. The people that put that work in will be successful no matter where you place them. For the people that aren't, it's usually the same.

[Captainstabbin]

(12-16-2018 10:01 PM)Shemp Wrote:  

>>if a man or woman has not had intercourse by age 25, there is a reasonable chance [he or she] will remain a virgin at least until age 45.

We have quite a few guys like this here in this forum.

This is the result of the war on masculinity. Men have been shamed into acting like women - feminine, submissive and weak. So much so that they're no longer attractive to women.

Get that 25 year old virgin a career, get him in the gym, get him aggressively (even clumsily) pursuing women and he'll be laid in no time. It might not be the girl he's secretly had oneitis for all his life, but it'll be someone just as hot, if not hotter. Then he'll finally realize that pedestalizing pussy has been a path to failure.

I think of the difference in myself before and after I lived in Vegas. No better town to work on game. Literally a fresh crop of new women every weekend. You quickly learn that your hometown crush was never that special after all.

[LexisNexis]

It's because due to culture and technology women are able to get validation without necessarily having to have sex

[Aurini]

I also think the quality of the men is lower. These kids today are just weak... obedient. They appear to be male; they aren't men.

I've got a young man beat on experience, hardness, and confidence; but I don't have him beat on youthful energy, that sense that the young fool is about to explode into God knows what form of success. But the young aren't manifesting that these days.

[PharaohRa]

The thing is that high schoolers should have no business having sex until they are at least 18 years of age. However, the average age of a male losing their virginity at 26 is very concerning, and is due to the negative repercussions of female hypergamy encouraged by (((them))) understanding that women act just like them, only vaginal.

The solution to this is obviously White Sharia, and it will be implemented one way or another. Heck, the market is tumbling down, and could fall 90%. That could do the trick!

[PharaohRa]

(12-18-2018 02:04 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 10:01 PM)Shemp Wrote:  

>>if a man or woman has not had intercourse by age 25, there is a reasonable chance [he or she] will remain a virgin at least until age 45.

We have quite a few guys like this here in this forum.

This is the result of the war on masculinity. Men have been shamed into acting like women - feminine, submissive and weak. So much so that they're no longer attractive to women.

Get that 25 year old virgin a career, get him in the gym, get him aggressively (even clumsily) pursuing women and he'll be laid in no time. It might not be the girl he's secretly had oneitis for all his life, but it'll be someone just as hot, if not hotter. Then he'll finally realize that pedestalizing pussy has been a path to failure.

I think of the difference in myself before and after I lived in Vegas. No better town to work on game. Literally a fresh crop of new women every weekend. You quickly learn that your hometown crush was never that special after all.

I think these words need to be reinforced into every man's head, pronto!

[Delta]

According to forum consensus the average woman is perpetually looking for her next fix of alpha dick, but this article shows that's not at all the reality. That idea thrives here due to two forms of faulty logic:
1. Sample bias ("My plate who I fucked on the first date admitted to having a notch count over 50, I assume that's normal.")
2. Projection ("I'm always in search of hot pussy so women must always be in search of alpha dick.")

Get it out of your head that the typical woman is a raging slut with a double figure notch count. It simply isn't true.

This line from the article particularly stands out:

Quote:

Over the course of a year, he reports, only 50 percent of heterosexual single women in their 20s go on any dates—and older women are even less likely to do so.

I'd always wondered why, with the glut of single 20-something women, so few use dating apps and go out to bars, at least relative to men (hence why the ratios are so awful). The standard explanation on here is "they're getting their fill of dick elsewhere, they don't need to." But it's clear now that's not really the case. The correct explanation is "they don't care enough."

Most single women aren't meeting men and aren't doing anything about it. It just doesn't make its way to the top of their priority list. And if we look at where this phenomenon is and isn't happening, a likely culprit pops up: The trend is emerging only in safe, prosperous societies. Where women do not need the resources and protection of a man, they do not seek out a man. Case in point: If I ask you to think of the safest, lowest crime, most technologically advanced country in the world, which country comes to mind? Next question: Which country is having the most pronounced 'sex recession'? The correlation is amazingly strong.

It's apparent that women did not evolve a powerful attraction to men (at least compared to the other way around). Until modern society, the species likely propagated on a combination of rape (not implying that's a good thing for any mainstream media lying sacks of shit that may be reading) and women sexually submitting to men for resources and protection. Create a society where protection is largely unnecessary and women can easily live on the resources they earn for themselves, and you get a society where women feel so little incentive to pair bond with men that half of them devote no time or effort to the pursuit. Men will always be thirsty; it's in our DNA; but women's desire for men is conditioned on the environment. That's why a female 6 can have hundreds of male 6-and-above suitors willing to drag their balls across broken glass to be with her if she'd just put herself out there, but most girls don't even bother taking advantage of this market because "meh too much effort." They're not swimming in a sea of dick that magically appeared before them. They just don't feel the raw desire like we do.

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-19-2018 01:34 AM)Delta Wrote:  

According to forum consensus the average woman is perpetually looking for her next fix of alpha dick, but this article shows that's not at all the reality. That idea thrives here due to two forms of faulty logic:
1. Sample bias ("My plate who I fucked on the first date admitted to having a notch count over 50, I assume that's normal.")
2. Projection ("I'm always in search of hot pussy so women must always be in search of alpha dick.")

Get it out of your head that the typical woman is a raging slut with a double figure notch count. It simply isn't true.

This line from the article particularly stands out:

Quote:

Over the course of a year, he reports, only 50 percent of heterosexual single women in their 20s go on any dates—and older women are even less likely to do so.

I'd always wondered why, with the glut of single 20-something women, so few use dating apps and go out to bars, at least relative to men (hence why the ratios are so awful). The standard explanation on here is "they're getting their fill of dick elsewhere, they don't need to." But it's clear now that's not really the case. The correct explanation is "they don't care enough."

Most single women aren't meeting men and aren't doing anything about it. It just doesn't make its way to the top of their priority list. And if we look at where this phenomenon is and isn't happening, a likely culprit pops up: The trend is emerging only in safe, prosperous societies. Where women do not need the resources and protection of a man, they do not seek out a man. Case in point: If I ask you to think of the safest, lowest crime, most technologically advanced country in the world, which country comes to mind? Next question: Which country is having the most pronounced 'sex recession'? The correlation is amazingly strong.

It's apparent that women did not evolve a powerful attraction to men (at least compared to the other way around). Until modern society, the species likely propagated on a combination of rape (not implying that's a good thing for any mainstream media lying sacks of shit that may be reading) and women sexually submitting to men for resources and protection. Create a society where protection is largely unnecessary and women can easily live on the resources they earn for themselves, and you get a society where women feel so little incentive to pair bond with men that half of them devote no time or effort to the pursuit. Men will always be thirsty; it's in our DNA; but women's desire for men is conditioned on the environment. That's why a female 6 can have hundreds of male 6-and-above suitors willing to drag their balls across broken glass to be with her if she'd just put herself out there, but most girls don't even bother taking advantage of this market because "meh too much effort." They're not swimming in a sea of dick that magically appeared before them. They just don't feel the raw desire like we do.

^^ That. But hey, if you get buff, get rich, become a super social guy, crack her social circle, become famous, in other words, if you just jump through a million hoops, then maybe, just maybe, you might convince her to...

Just lay there.

You might convince her to just lay there.

If you actually get serious and then want to add convincing her to not divorce rape you later, in many cases, that's just asking too much.

For reference, if I go out 2 or 3 times a week in the West, I'm able to get laid with one new girl every three weeks that's between, let's say, about 5 and 7 in beauty (but they're not between 5 and 7 in values, they're below that), all between let's say 18 and 24. I'm in my mid 30's.

Where am I?

I'm outside the West. Why? Because it's easier to find girls that are 7 and above in looks AND 7 and above in values outside the West, and they're nicer too. Also, day game is far more effective outside the West, because gender relations aren't hostile there.

I guarantee you, if you're needed somewhere, you'll be treated better there than in the places where you aren't needed.

Men are no longer needed in the West. Women, on the other hand, are still needed in the West. And that gives them tremendous leverage, which many (but not all) use to behave in ways that are basically abusive. Because they can.

My short term recommendation? Improve yourself and get what you can while avoiding damage to your freedom and your health. My long term recommendation?

GTFO

[mr-ed209]

Delta's pretty much nailed it. I remember reading a blog post somewhere that described how many women approach dating.

They'll often go on long droughts, keeping several orbiters in tow to get their fix of attention etc. Then once their loneliness gets too much or they partake in some activity that gives new energy to their life, such as travelling or starting some new self esteem replenishing career, they go on a sort of dating binge. A lot of first dates, a lot of social events etc. Girls seem to live so periodically in this way. I think it's why you see them harping all that #throwback shit on instagram of old holiday photos for upwards of a year after they went away. For a brief period their life turns into some naff montage scene from Bridget Jones. These are the girls when you hit them up on tinder are attractive enough and are suspiciously compliant with meeting and going on a date with you. Or if you're out in a foreign country tourist bar, the hot girls from your own country seem infinitely easier to talk to than if you had approached them in your local bar.

[MrLemon]

Several times in this forum I've stated that "You shouldn't get married at all, but if you must, never marry a woman who makes more money than you do, or marry a woman with no real career at all, it's the only way to ensure no divorce".

A lot of younger guys have objected to this.

But Delta just explained it. Women who have their own career have little incentive to marry you, EXCEPT for the temporary need to get your sperm and get you to contribute baby care duties. When they are pregnant and have babies, they are extra vulnerable so their old instincts kick in. As soon as the kids are grown a bit, that feeling of vulnerability melts like an old popsicle.

I know at least 4 different buddies from high school, who married high powered women, and were divorced LIKE CLOCKWORK when the kids were 8-10. The woman didn't need them any more and just discarded them. Literally that.

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-19-2018 02:25 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

I know at least 4 different buddies from high school, who married high powered women, and were divorced LIKE CLOCKWORK when the kids were 8-10. The woman didn't need them any more and just discarded them. Literally that.

For anyone that wants to reference what that looks like, see this thread, still married, but lots of issues:

thread-71497.html

[Kid Twist]

(12-17-2018 02:46 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 02:23 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Teenage sex is in some ways the best sex. If you miss out on it, you're missing out on one of the great pleasures of life.

Rubbish. Glorified fantasy that you probably never had.

That's why you talk you about like it's so wonderful...you have probably never experienced it.

"the greatest pleasures of life"...get back to your Penthouse forum writing

Sorry, but I don't like reading bullshit

Seriously, ask all the low IQ high testosterone idiots and girls without fathers who allowed them to act on the T, how'd that work out for most of them?

I'm not claiming I know anything about this being a fantasy, but I do agree it's rubbish.

[Penta Sahi]

(12-19-2018 06:51 AM)mr-ed209 Wrote:  

Delta's pretty much nailed it. I remember reading a blog post somewhere that described how many women approach dating.

They'll often go on long droughts, keeping several orbiters in tow to get their fix of attention etc. Then once their loneliness gets too much or they partake in some activity that gives new energy to their life, such as travelling or starting some new self esteem replenishing career, they go on a sort of dating binge. A lot of first dates, a lot of social events etc. Girls seem to live so periodically in this way. I think it's why you see them harping all that #throwback shit on instagram of old holiday photos for upwards of a year after they went away. For a brief period their life turns into some naff montage scene from Bridget Jones. These are the girls when you hit them up on tinder are attractive enough and are suspiciously compliant with meeting and going on a date with you. Or if you're out in a foreign country tourist bar, the hot girls from your own country seem infinitely easier to talk to than if you had approached them in your local bar.

Holy fuck this is so spot on. I've seen this in the past, and I know 2 girls that are currently in this phase right now (co-workers, so not touching). Didn't realize it though.

Any idea what blog that was? I'd love to read that post in depth.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-19-2018 01:34 AM)Delta Wrote:  

According to forum consensus the average woman is perpetually looking for her next fix of alpha dick, but this article shows that's not at all the reality. That idea thrives here due to two forms of faulty logic:
1. Sample bias ("My plate who I fucked on the first date admitted to having a notch count over 50, I assume that's normal.")
2. Projection ("I'm always in search of hot pussy so women must always be in search of alpha dick.")

Get it out of your head that the typical woman is a raging slut with a double figure notch count. It simply isn't true.

This line from the article particularly stands out:

Quote:

Over the course of a year, he reports, only 50 percent of heterosexual single women in their 20s go on any dates—and older women are even less likely to do so.

I'd always wondered why, with the glut of single 20-something women, so few use dating apps and go out to bars, at least relative to men (hence why the ratios are so awful). The standard explanation on here is "they're getting their fill of dick elsewhere, they don't need to." But it's clear now that's not really the case. The correct explanation is "they don't care enough."

Most single women aren't meeting men and aren't doing anything about it. It just doesn't make its way to the top of their priority list. And if we look at where this phenomenon is and isn't happening, a likely culprit pops up: The trend is emerging only in safe, prosperous societies. Where women do not need the resources and protection of a man, they do not seek out a man. Case in point: If I ask you to think of the safest, lowest crime, most technologically advanced country in the world, which country comes to mind? Next question: Which country is having the most pronounced 'sex recession'? The correlation is amazingly strong.

It's apparent that women did not evolve a powerful attraction to men (at least compared to the other way around). Until modern society, the species likely propagated on a combination of rape (not implying that's a good thing for any mainstream media lying sacks of shit that may be reading) and women sexually submitting to men for resources and protection. Create a society where protection is largely unnecessary and women can easily live on the resources they earn for themselves, and you get a society where women feel so little incentive to pair bond with men that half of them devote no time or effort to the pursuit. Men will always be thirsty; it's in our DNA; but women's desire for men is conditioned on the environment. That's why a female 6 can have hundreds of male 6-and-above suitors willing to drag their balls across broken glass to be with her if she'd just put herself out there, but most girls don't even bother taking advantage of this market because "meh too much effort." They're not swimming in a sea of dick that magically appeared before them. They just don't feel the raw desire like we do.

Great post, but I'd like to add something to it. What's being left out of the discussion is that women never historically pursued men. They were pursued.

So, if women aren't getting sex (or dates), the reason only has partially to do with them already having resources. The reason might be men aren't asking as much. Or as early. Therefore, young relationships aren't forming.

Most sex happens in relationships. Back in the Reagan Era, people started relationships young because they married far younger. Therefore, people had more sex at ages 16-25 because they were already down the road to being full adults and getting married.

We know what happened next. Helicopter parents. The extension of teen-hood into people's thirties. Women keeping their "gal pals" around as if they were still in high school. Men playing video games like they were still in middle school.

These are all stereotypes, but stereotypes are based on truths. You can't expect to be having sex on a regular basis if you're still stuck in perpetual adolescence.

***

A few weeks ago, a newbie on this thread accused me of making up fictional stories about my own teenage sexual experiences. I didn't take it as an insult because I actually see his point. From the vantage point of our culture today, rampant screwing by teens DOES seem like fiction.

But, back when you married your high school sweetheart, young sex was the thing. Why? Because YOUNG LOVE and YOUNG RELATIONSHIPS were the thing.

Here is what I observe looking at then vs. now.

When I was about 16, I remember my folks wondering why I wasn't "going steady" with anyone, like they were when they were my age. They saw it as an essential part of growing up. When I did start dating someone seriously and sex entered the picture, their advice was "use protection till you're married."

In other words, by our late teens, my folks considered my girlfriend and me proto-adults.

These days, my brothers have kids who are teens and tweens. They have the complete opposite attitude. They see their children as "bigger kids" and gasp at the thought of them even dating. They see dating as "getting in the way" of the over-scheduled, mile-a-minute, college-focused lives of these kids.

What was my schedule like at that age? Empty. My life was like the Ramones song "I Just Wanna Have Something To Do." When I got a girlfriend you can bet we both found something to do with those empty hours we had to fill (heh) as latch-key high school kids.

Conclusion: You can't expect young people to have sex if everyone involved views them as still kids, including the young people themselves.

[BaatumMania]

(12-17-2018 12:35 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

I actually believe this to be the case. Millenials and gen z were raised with a lot of std fear mongering and were also likely children of single moms. So sex = disease and unwanted children. A lot of negative associations.

I've noticed American women becoming increasingly frigid, almost puritanical on the subject of sex. Here in 'Nam which is on the surface a much more conservative society, girls love talking about sex. The world has been flipped in it's axis I think.

Haha this one for sure. Anytime a guy raw dogs a woman off Tinder / Bars he usually runs off to Reddit or a similar forum and admits having anxiety over a possible (asymptotic) HIV infection when it's far more likely to get something symptomatic. A lot of the symptomatic things are also incurable and more painful than (treated) AIDs by the way.

[SamuelBRoberts]

Don't forget how much the rich reward calculation has changed for asking a girl out at college or work.

Asking a girl out at your college out in 1970s
Maximum Upside: Sex.
Maximum Downside: She says no, and maybe laughs about you to your friends.

Asking a girl out at your college in 2018:
Maximum Upside: Sex (With a girl who's 30-40 pounds heavier than the 1970s girl)
Maximum Downside: Social ostracism. Loss of job. Expulsion.

No wonder not as many people want to take that bet.

[Easy_C]

Your risk/reward calculation is even worse when you adjust for the fact that in the 70s the best case outcome was much more likely to be “we have a great marriage” because many more of them were fit to be mothers.

[JWLZG]

(12-17-2018 09:16 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 08:42 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 08:17 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

Settle down Silverberg. That’s a lot of straw men you’re slinging there.

That’s pretty rich coming from you. Anyone who doesn’t share your opinions on Jews and Israel is immediately called a Jew, a Zionist or supposedly works for Mossad.

You Goldsteins sure do love your strawmen.

Hold on a bit, I'm off to defile more skinny nubile blondes to spite the Goy because Mein Kampf isn't enough to satiate his strange anger issues. Just to give him more of an axe to grind, I'm happy to help (((sully))) the "white race" even further.


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