Quote: (12-07-2018 01:47 AM)renotime Wrote:
Quote: (12-06-2018 02:58 AM)BlueMark Wrote:
Quote: (12-06-2018 12:45 AM)renotime Wrote:
Quote: (12-05-2018 07:32 PM)eradicator Wrote:
Eh, I'm wrong, Gerald Ford died in 2006. Jimmy carter is 94 and still alive.Bill Clinton is 72 but doesn't exactly look healthy. Trump is also 72. If I had to guess as to who dies next, it would be Bill Clinton.
Carter is definitely the next to die. He and Trump are the only ones that haven't made a deal with the devil.
Care to explain what Carter did differently compared to the other ex presidents? Not disagreeing, just don't know much about his presidency.
I'm comparing him to the living presidents. All the others were war or conflict Presidents. Trump is still young in his presidency, so I'll withhold my judgments for now.
It seems Carter largely tried to avoid war. He managed to keep the Cold War from going hot, despite the Soviets invading Afghanistan. Yes, he did arm Afghans whom later became terrorists, but better that than sending Marines in and having a full on war break out.
And during the Iran hostage crisis he took a major risk and sent in Delta Force to go get the Americans. Delta Force was a brand new unit back then and no one knew if they were up to the task. As history shows they never got to find out because their helicopters crashed, but it took major balls for Carter to green light that, especially during his first term.
I don't know, now that you got me talking about him arming Afghan rebels that turned into terrorists, maybe he wasn't that good of a person.
Still better than Clinton, Bushes, and Obama by a country mile.
Carter was not the right fit for that time in America. Plus, no POTUS could have survived the moving parts he was faced with. Economic shit with fast-paced inflation and a deep recession, the beginning of the Globalists preparing to move labour and manufacturing to Asia and elsewhere as the manufacturing base in America was ramping up its collapse and march towards its death, radical elements the world over with normalized terrorism - everyone was blowing up a plane or pipeline in every direction. What POTUS could survive that? Inflation was like 12% - 12 fucking percent - with interest rates at 18 fucking percent.
Between a rock and a hard place with the turmoil economically and the raping of the West by the new oil cartels, any President would have been damaged goods. The public turned on Carter because they did not think he was doing enough to get things on track (what more COULD one do?). Carter also suffered from not being wise enough to learn that optics and narrative mattered. Carter was too much of an honest southern boy and it cost him political capital and credibility with the American people - who turned on him as they viewed him as weak:
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Carter kept it too real. Being upfront about austerity, his goals to be a non-interventionist, telling Americans to cut back on fuel for their pocketbook and the environment etc. Nothing he put forward was all that bad - perse- it was just too damn real and raw. Every POTUS since then has been a slimy hack who has projected narrative over actual substance in many cases.
IMO, Carter, in place of the hustler Obama would have been much better as a 'left' alternative to the Bush years. Carter was pragmatic and non-interventionist but he wasn't a hustler like Obama who had motives lurking to promote various nefarious goals.
IMO, also, Carter was well-intentioned in his policy choices, though, they were not always popular and it took time to realize his intent was always for the better standing of the USA. For example, him starting the Dept of Edu was a means to streamline spotty, shoddy, and disorganized EDU boards - which in theory - made sense. An overhead coordinator to maintain certain standards so that a kid in Wyoming had the same abilities to read and write as a kid in California made sense. When the Dept of EDU became weaponized political as a means to choke off States power and teach kids buggery remains to be known, but I don't believe it was Carter's intent to create that depaertment with the sole goal as a Federal vice grip.
I am not a hippy, but Carter and his environmental pushes halted America from turning into a shithole like China with green and brown toxic water and air. America was getting that bad in some of its regions due to lax or non-existent environmental controls. Stillborn and retarded babies, mutated fish, acid rain, fucked up water tables. It was getting bad with one regional crisis popping up after another.
Carter also faced cucking from his own Democrats as Ted Kennedy worked behind the scenes to cuck Carter and obstruct many of his policy pushes. Teddy wanted to be POTUS and used his brokering ability to ostracize Carter and his policy aims (sound familiar to anything in today's time ?)
I am not sure how many men survive leadership in that climate he had to deal with. Overall the guy did okay for what he had to work with.
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