Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
Seems to me a slippage of definitions going on here. Isn't game just 'the things you do' that increase the chance of banging a particular girl?
Yes.
I would say it like this:
Game is a set of tools, behaviors & beliefs that help you get a girl into bed.
Tools: Wearable props, a car, an apartment, etc.
Behaviors: Voice tone, kino, verbal responses, etc.
Beliefs: "Women love sex", "Sex is good", "Girls want to feel pleasure", etc.
Game/Seduction is NOT a means for "improving yourself", "becoming a better man", etc. Those outcomes belong to the self-development discipline.
Game's only purpose is to get you laid by any means necessary with a given girl in a given situation or with a given number of girls (your choice) within your life time.
In other words, Game is the means to get girls into bed. Period.
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
Technically speaking, there's really no such as thing as a 'Yes girl' or a 'No girl'. They're all 'Maybe girls' because we're not psychic and can never know for sure why we get rejected. You can use terms like 'yes/no' girl as a shorthand but it really doesn't have any solid foundation to it. This just logically follows for me.
The Yes/Maybe/No classifications for girls are well founded and are VERY useful.
They are a result of 3 crietria:
1. The girl's interest level.
2. The girl's availability.
3. Your desired outcome with the girl.
So, once you decide upon a desired outcome with a girl (say a SNL), the you proceed to
test the chick for interest level and availability.
The Yes/Maybe/No classification is then assigned to her based on
her responses to your tests.
You are not being psychic at all, because you are not assuming anything.
You are TESTING her and classifying her based on her responses (the Yes/Maybe/No classification).
For example a Very high ineterst girl, who is fully available and DTF for a one night stand would be a "yes girl".
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
I approached a girl recently in a club and she just blanked me and carried on texting on her phone. I could say now that she was a 'No' girl but I don't know for sure. If I had approached with a different swagger or maintained a different kind of eye contact or waggled my eyebrows in a joky way before speaking etc. things may have turned out differently. To claim she's a 'No' girl implies that I'm 100% certain that my approach was perfectly calibrated.
You are touching an important element of the whole Yes/Maybe/No classification which is the importance and essentiality of having a standard for judgemnt.
There are two standards:
1. The model-outcome based standrad.
2. Your personal minimum standard.
1. The model based standrad.
The model-outcome standard would be relative to the model you are using and the outcome you have for the girl.
So if you are looking for quick lays (SNL), and want to find the girls that are interested enough in you to fuck you and are DTF you that night, you will be able to quickly determine that if a girl does not gives you her attention at the beginning of the approach she ain't passing the above mentioned crieteria.
Why isn't she?
It doen's matter. It is her responses that count, not what she is thinking or feeling.
So within the above criteria, she is a "no girl".
That you could use perhaps persuasion to turn her over to a different classification?
Of course, but that would be the case of having a different outcome and criteria from the above.
In this case, your desired outcome would be something like "Getting THAT SPECIFIC CHICK into bed, no matter what."
2. Your personal minimum standard.
The only standard for the Yes/Maybe/No classification relative to YOU specifacally can be determined only by the fully direct approch style of game.
That style will give you YOUR minum standard. What you can get without persuasion. Because it forces girls to quickly show what is their dealio and therefore allows you to classify them effectively.
That will give you your basic "girl getting power" metrics.
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
Can you ever really be certain of that? (Yes/Maybe/No classification)
Yes. You TEST her and clasify her according to her responses.
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
What if I had approached and - instead of asking boringly 'do you speak English?' which worked with other bitches - had asked 'Hey, wtf is wrong with you?! Why are you on sitting here on your own like a loser?' Could the result have been different? I don't know and I'll never know because the moment is gone.
Yes. Obviously you would get different responses for making a different stimuli.
It is not a failure from your part if that was not your outcome.
You can do many things with a girl, but only those that are aligned with your desired outcome are important. Everything else is just a waste of YOUR time and energy.
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
If you're ugly or not her type or she's not in the mood then you're probability of success is evidently gonna be lower but there is nothing that predetermines the outcome -- to your knowledge.
With the Yes/Maybe/No classification we are not talking about predetermining the outcome. That would be assuming.
We are just determining where the girl lies in the probability of succesfully achieving our desired outcome continum.
The closer she meets the criteria of the type of girl that would succesfully get you your desired outcome, the most probable it is that you will achieve your desired outcome.
So, it can be said that indeed there are factors that predetermine the outcome you will have with a girl, and the Yes/Maybe/No classification process is a way of finding out what those factors are and having reliable data to base your future actions with her.
You are not imposing or assuming those limiting factors, you are discovering them.
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
The stuff that Linux alludes to is more interesting because it implies that 'what you do' is inferior to 'what you are'. Again technically speaking -- if you really think about it -- this shouldn't lead to any difference of outcome because you could argue that if you game with enough conviction then the girl could never know the difference.
No.
You can game with the greatest conviction of the world, but if you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is wrong you ain't getting the nookie.
(think the swarm of betas who write poetry and whole books for girls without getting even a makeout or those who express their feelings with all their beings just to be dumped or ridiculed.)
The character traits ideology of game ("masculinity", "dominance", "a true man", etc.) is BULLSHIT.
Game is manipulation. Period.
You can be "masculine", "a true man", etc. but if youy are a game retard you ain't getting shit of nookie.
"What you are" is infenitely INFERIOR to "what you do".
Quote: (12-02-2018 04:23 AM)Sender Wrote:
But I'm guessing that he means there's some unconscious process at work that can't be cheated. Not to mention all the other benefits of generally improving yourself.
Improving yourself is GREAT and it certainly will help to get chicks,
BUT that is not game.
Self-improvement will not get you chicks without game.