[subterfuge]

(12-06-2018 05:27 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

I dislike Manson with a passion.
All his words sound very good (I only read Models).
I learned to distrust nice sounding words.

Why is Models so bad?

There's a big split in the community about this book.
People on 'seddit' for example seem to consider it up there with Homers Iliad in terms of brilliant literature!! It's often said to be the only book on 'game' that you will ever need. (which is funny because there's VERY little in there about 'game' in the traditional sense of 'saying the right thing' etc)

On the other side, it has lots of people who consider it to be nothing more than a mixture of common sense (get a good life with hobbies and earn good money and the girls might then be interested) and with any 'game' component in the book being simply about 'screening'. (Approach her. Tell her she's cute. If she's not interested move on. Nothing you say will change her mind)

So it kind of comes back to the whole point of this thread in a way; Basically, one camp believe game to be mainly 'screening' (finding girls who are into you and not messing it up by having decent social skills/game) and the other camp believes game is about 'converting' girls (you can MAKE any girl wanna bang you no matter how ugly and old you are)

I used to dislike models because I wanted to believe that 'game' was the jedi mind trick that lots of writers would have us believe, but the more i've gone out and made approaches over the years, the more I tend to side a little more with M Manson, to be honest. I think that there's a huge number of girls who won't be into you, and no matter what amazing negs and cold reads and lines and 'manipulation' you use, it ain't gonna cut any ice. She still won't wanna bang you.

It could be that there's secret techniques out there that can achieve this that i'm yet to discover (although i'm pretty sure i've read a huge percentage of PUA books fro cover to cover) so i'll have to see! Waiting for 'darknessPUA's' post about 'manipulation' as he seems to very much believe you can somehow manipulate girls into wanting to bang you no matter your looks etc. It's a nice idea, but I just don't think it's reality. I don't even think there exists a single infield out of thousands from supposedly the best PUA's in the world who can 'turn/convert' a girl who was very hostile towards them and maybe just ignored them and started to walk away (which is the reaction lots of us will have when trying to game some stunning teen in a bar). I do love the idea that I can say some secret lines and 'manipulate' her into wanting to bang me, but...ya know....

[AneroidOcean]

This thread should be closed or moved to the Newbie Forum. The OP's account is ~3 months old and hasn't amassed any significant rep. He clearly hasn't read much of the forum when he makes statements like, "Modern Game has not been developed to get a girlfriend. If you desire a girlfriend or a good wholesome wife you should not learn Game. "

This thread has continued to devolve into a dumpster fire of accounts as new as 1 month old with single and double-digit post counts and single digit reps (if any) all ignoring guys like LINUX and pontificating on that which they know not. Further, some of the posters haven't even been laid or had any real success, they're just making shit up (for lack of a better phrase).

SAD!

[Donfitz007]

(12-06-2018 06:48 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

This thread should be closed or moved to the Newbie Forum. The OP's account is ~3 months old and hasn't amassed any significant rep. He clearly hasn't read much of the forum when he makes statements like, "Modern Game has not been developed to get a girlfriend. If you desire a girlfriend or a good wholesome wife you should not learn Game. "

This thread has continued to devolve into a dumpster fire of accounts as new as 1 month old with single and double-digit post counts and single digit reps (if any) all ignoring guys like LINUX and pontificating on that which they know not. Further, some of the posters haven't even been laid or had any real success, they're just making shit up (for lack of a better phrase).

SAD!

I Agree, but Badboygamer isn't all bad, I've learned alot from this post nd the other chad one. Actually helped me pull a girl a couple days ago.

However the rep thing is a pretty bad point, I've seen genius post from people with 0-3 reps. LINUX is a mastermind at this I must say.

[The_e_man]

Badboygamer is be a new, low-rep remember. That being said, he speaks with true passion for the game and he has a logical and pragmatic approach to things that comes through in his posts.
For that reason, I actually look forward to seeing more threads by him.

[MathGuy]

(12-06-2018 06:28 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 05:27 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

I dislike Manson with a passion.
All his words sound very good (I only read Models).
I learned to distrust nice sounding words.

Why is Models so bad?

There's a big split in the community about this book.
People on 'seddit' for example seem to consider it up there with Homers Iliad in terms of brilliant literature!! It's often said to be the only book on 'game' that you will ever need. (which is funny because there's VERY little in there about 'game' in the traditional sense of 'saying the right thing' etc)

On the other side, it has lots of people who consider it to be nothing more than a mixture of common sense (get a good life with hobbies and earn good money and the girls might then be interested) and with any 'game' component in the book being simply about 'screening'. (Approach her. Tell her she's cute. If she's not interested move on. Nothing you say will change her mind)

So it kind of comes back to the whole point of this thread in a way; Basically, one camp believe game to be mainly 'screening' (finding girls who are into you and not messing it up by having decent social skills/game) and the other camp believes game is about 'converting' girls (you can MAKE any girl wanna bang you no matter how ugly and old you are)

I used to dislike models because I wanted to believe that 'game' was the jedi mind trick that lots of writers would have us believe, but the more i've gone out and made approaches over the years, the more I tend to side a little more with M Manson, to be honest. I think that there's a huge number of girls who won't be into you, and no matter what amazing negs and cold reads and lines and 'manipulation' you use, it ain't gonna cut any ice. She still won't wanna bang you.

It could be that there's secret techniques out there that can achieve this that i'm yet to discover (although i'm pretty sure i've read a huge percentage of PUA books fro cover to cover) so i'll have to see! Waiting for 'darknessPUA's' post about 'manipulation' as he seems to very much believe you can somehow manipulate girls into wanting to bang you no matter your looks etc. It's a nice idea, but I just don't think it's reality. I don't even think there exists a single infield out of thousands from supposedly the best PUA's in the world who can 'turn/convert' a girl who was very hostile towards them and maybe just ignored them and started to walk away (which is the reaction lots of us will have when trying to game some stunning teen in a bar). I do love the idea that I can say some secret lines and 'manipulate' her into wanting to bang me, but...ya know....

Conversion is doable, just perhaps not at the extreme hypothetical levels that you bring up. The main advantage of screening, in my opinion, is that you are cutting to the chase and wasting less time, especially if your goal is to just get laid via the numbers game.

It's possible to 'convert' a girl who is initially hostile or indifferent to you - key is to just persist, "own it," and find something that does make her hook (including calming her down if she's hostile), then run things normally from there. Converting a girl who just starts running away screaming because you look straight out of Mordor is another story.

The main satisfaction in converting is in the fact that you're accomplishing something challenging, that you're successfully manipulating the social matrix to your advantage. Screening can sometimes feel like going after low hanging fruit. If you want to get laid with as many bangable girls as possible in a limited amount of time, screen. On the other hand, if you want to go for high quality, relish the challenge, and enjoy the process of refining your technique, work on conversion.

Keep in mind they're not mutually exclusive. You don't have to stick with one strategy. And of course, working on your SMV is something that'll help as well.

[BadBoyGamer]

Donfitz007 Wrote:

Why is Models so bad?

Thanks to MathGuy and subterfuge I do not have to write my own explanation as to why I dislike Manson.

Quote:

Mark is part of the new "Post-PUA fatigue" movement. It basically consists of advanced guys who have went through the classic PUA cycle (i.e. read "The Game", then "Mystery Method", then other books on PUA). Then once having graduated from AFC to PUA the author is now trying to separate himself from the whole PUA community and teachings and discard, with visceral disgust, the exact vehicle that has brought him his success. This is a very common phenomena with successful PUA gurus now looking for moral absolution. Unfortunately it will do nothing but help the AFC flop by guiding him on a facile course of "just being yourself" which will lead to total PUA failure.

I particularly like this part in MathGuy's comment. Especially because this is also why I started this whole topic in the first place. Too many guys who try to redefine Game to fit their own little agenda's and ideas (Manson for example). Which ultimately is nonconstructive for new guys who try to learn it.

The whole point of this topic is to have a discussion about what Game is about. And obviously everybody can write a comment and explain his position.

AneroidOcean Wrote:

all ignoring guys like LINUX

It is like a Buddhist monk trying to tell you that you should leave your Earthly desires behind and focus on becoming an enlightened being. It sounds great on paper, but no bread can be bought with it. No point in arguing with a monk who has moved on to "the next level".

"Advanced game is not approaching 5,000 women on the street."

Some guys need to approach 5000 woman on the street just in order to learn how to be talking to a girl for a few minutes. Something that can be incredible difficult. And for some this is almost a life and dead situation; the only hope left.

Telling guys to go "find masculinity, confidence, and an understanding that life is abstract and mortality is real" is the last thing that needs to be said.

Some guy be walking inside a bar for first time in his life. He be scared shitless. Using the little willpower able to muster he walks upto a girl. Attempting to make some sort of sound. Painfully the word "Hi" comes out of his mouth. He is sweating and almost be fainting while speaking this two letter word. And now some dude comes along telling him:

"You can be a PUA that walks into a bar and tries to act "alpha" based on a few things you read on blogs, but truthfully, we're all laughing at you, including the women, if you don't have the real confidence and masculinity to back it up."

I say that a guy should walk upto many girls and say "Hi" a whole bunch of times. As many times as needed until he is able to speak the word confidently. Once this has been accomplished he can focus on speaking a second word. And then another. All the way until finally he is able to get sex and whatnot.

Telling him to go meditate or something does nothing.

And to me that is what Game is ultimately all about. Teaching guys how to "be good" with girls. And sometimes this needs to be done word by word. This also makes Game incredible powerful because it can be teached word by word. It allows guys who previously where unable to even speak to a girl make their dreams come true and bang hotties.

[Oak]

(11-27-2018 01:55 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Once and "if" a man finds masculinity, confidence, and an understanding that life is abstract and mortality is real. Game is no longer needed beyond it's basic level of saying hello and letting her know what you want.

You mean opening her and then subcommunicating your desire to bang her with kino and body language? Because that's game.

The life experience you talk about will lead to natural confidence and this will make you qualify her and have strong frame. Also game.

Unless you're literally going up to girls and saying "Hello I'm Linux, I want to put my dick in your vagina" and still getting results. In which case, fair play.

(12-01-2018 08:42 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Those that believe that game can't be used to build attraction in a woman that otherwise wouldn't fuck you, why are you on a game forum? Do you think game is necessary to fuck even women that are attracted to you from the outset?

You can't make all women that are not attracted become attracted through game, but you can certainly make some. Personally I've fucked women that I had no business fucking based on my looks, money and status because of game, and my game isn't even particularly good and not nearly what it could be.

I actually don't mind anti-game arguments to balance out the pure PUA BS. But there's a combination of anti-game and bluepilling that results in a field of dreams mentality and it seems to be very common on this forum.

(11-27-2018 05:18 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

Modern Game has not been developed to get a girlfriend.

There's a very important difference between transactional and validational sex.

Many men without game get into LTRs where the sex is, or eventually becomes, transactional. If you want the sex in an LTR to be validational, game will be very useful. And validational sex is the only sex we should be seeking on this forum.

[arsalanshaikh]

Great information Thanks for Sharing this.

[The_e_man]

(12-07-2018 02:44 AM)MathGuy Wrote:  

Conversion is doable, just perhaps not at the extreme hypothetical levels that you bring up. The main advantage of screening, in my opinion, is that you are cutting to the chase and wasting less time, especially if your goal is to just get laid via the numbers game.

It's possible to 'convert' a girl who is initially hostile or indifferent to you - key is to just persist, "own it," and find something that does make her hook (including calming her down if she's hostile), then run things normally from there. Converting a girl who just starts running away screaming because you look straight out of Mordor is another story.

The main satisfaction in converting is in the fact that you're accomplishing something challenging, that you're successfully manipulating the social matrix to your advantage. Screening can sometimes feel like going after low hanging fruit. If you want to get laid with as many bangable girls as possible in a limited amount of time, screen. On the other hand, if you want to go for high quality, relish the challenge, and enjoy the process of refining your technique, work on conversion.

Keep in mind they're not mutually exclusive. You don't have to stick with one strategy. And of course, working on your SMV is something that'll help as well.

Very well said.

[The_e_man]

Also, what LINUX is talking about pertains more to guys that are more "naturally" okay with women to begin with.

A total hard-case newbie with crippling social anxiety that will almost faint when approaching a woman will obviously need a little bit more than some feel-good spiritual pep talk. This person will need a step-by-step blueprint; a "how-to" manual of sorts.

But what LINUX is saying is that many men do not need that. If they can embrace their own masculine energy and unapologetically let it show, then they will do just fine. Perhaps easier said than done, but we should not be quick to discredit LINUX and his simplistic methods - as this type of thinking is actually very high-level game-wise - it just isn't properly applicable to a hard case newbie yet.