Quote: (11-22-2018 03:35 PM)Horus Wrote:
Also, what is the Christian perspective on people who have never heard the Gospel, such as these Sentinal Islanders? Are they to be condemned to hell along with others who have heard the Gospel and rejected it? Or will God be merciful and give them a free pass into heaven?
If they naturally conformed to God's Law - considered Virtuous under the Natural Law - then they're sent to Outer Hell, where the Virtuous Pagans and God's Faithful who died before Christ's Sacrifice resided. With the Harrowing of Hell after the events of Good Friday, Christ descended into Hell, and lead God's Faithful to Heaven, whose gates were now opened to them.
The Pagans remained. Note, however, since they were without sin, they're happy there, rather than tormented, since the pains of hell are dependent on your chosen distance from the correct order. It's just they can't achieve the true and eternal happiness that experiencing the Beatific Vision would provide them.
I think it's also where the Unbaptized Babies go who die before reaching the Age Of Reason are thought to go, and those who God deems unworthy of damnation in His Mercy due to their inability to make the choice of their free will to obey his law or to follow their own will, (say, mental illness or retardation, or, possibly, as in this case, extreme isolation). It has a name: I can't recall it.
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Assuming that the goodness of one's actions can be judged based on biblical prescriptions of morality, how can a just God judge a person who has never heard his word?
I found this bit of Theology fascinating when I read it a few months back, because it's so wonderfully Un-PC.
With the events at Babel, man was separated into tribes, and theology states the different tribes were punished according to how far from God each tribe was - particularly with worship of other Gods, all of whom are demons - resulting in lasting Generational Curses. As such Social Inadequacy is part of God's Just Design, designed to offer each person the best opportunity for their own personal sanctification, which explains why the Children of the Adversary would, naturally, fight for the exact opposite of God's Natural Law, 'Social Justice'.
Roosh has noted the pattern without naming the culprits, in his recent post on the Inversion Agenda, and I wrote something similar in the Bible Thread months back: everything they fight for is simply an Inversion of the Natural Law, so, whether you want to care about Religion and God or not, you're at war with Satanists, who do Believe. What they want to do is force you to see Morality as Subjective rather than as Objective: where you decide for yourself what is 'right' and 'wrong'. Once you do, they've won, so most arguments from those on the Right about the 'evil' nature of the Left are largely-pointless, because both groups can rationalise their own sins quite well and are blind to the injustice of their acts whilst pointing the finger of blame at the other.
If you pay close attention in the old Latin Mass, you'll see the Book is moved from the Left side of the Altar to the Right: that's to signify God took the Word away from Jews, and gave it to the Gentiles, throwing a veil over them that makes them unable to see Objective Truth, hence their allegiance to Subjectivity. However, later in the mass, it's moved back to the Left, showing that the Word will be taken back from the Gentiles, who will revert to Paganism, and God will unveil the Jews. Hence why they're supposed to convert in mass numbers in the End Times.
In the meantime, you'll simply note that everything they control is designed to make you see Objective Reality as Subjective, so you choose your own will over God's, which is their only goal.
The result, of course, is observable patterns of disordered behaviour in those who follow their own will, leading to a Dysfunctional Interior Life. This has always struck me as the greatest evidence for God: disobey his guidance, grow observably-dysfunctional over time.
Don't worry. The Children of the Adversary are there, to helpfully explain away your dysfunction as anything but disobedience. Perhaps its psychological, or because you haven't purchased the right product, or don't have the coolest clothes, or because some other group has stolen what was rightfully yours, or didn't value you enough.
Funnily enough, I've largely disconnected myself from all their areas of influence over the last couple of years, and, with that: life isn't that complicated, and surprisingly-peaceful, because the understanding of Truth gets stronger and stronger. So I keep experiencing events that should upset me, but I just greet them with a detached calmness. Exactly as St Paul promised.
With that, I've realised that the Big Lie of the Children is that conforming to the Law is restrictive, and Freedom is in Sin. It's the Greatest Inversion: I understand now Freedom only offers you Slavery to Sin, and that following the Law frees you from that Slavery: you master your passions and control your appetites.
Subjective Truthers would laugh at this, not seeing how predictable their responses are. I was fascinated how much of this battle the Saints have fully-mapped out - particularly how the demons work - and how, well, suppressed the knowledge is.
I laughed recently reading St Ignatius of Loyola: he maps out the common attacks of the Demonic and how to defeat them. One of them was how they'll try to fill you with sorrow over the thought you can never commit particular sins again, trying to strengthen your attachment to it. Now, he wrote that 400 years ago, but I remember having a private conversation with a member a few months back who was starting the process of being supernaturally-elevated and, guess what the first fear he voiced was?
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It seems a little unfair that someone who lives an immoral life can repent on his deathbed and enter Paradise regardless of the fact that his evil deeds outweigh the good, while a South Sea savage must be judged by moral standards he didn't know exists.
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard: the lateness of the hour you arrive doesn't matter, and it's His vineyard, so he makes the rules. You don't like it? Make your own universe.
You can't complain about God's Justice based upon your own limited intellectual knowledge of what Justice is, when his is Perfect, and yours is corrupted by original sin. This is why we can't pass final judgment upon
anyone: we're incapable of doing so correctly.
Look, I've been there. A lot of this initially struck me as originally unjust / cruel / random, but as the Holy Spirit moves in you, you start being given a deeper understanding, and it just
suddenly makes sense to our limited intellects. The effects of the Holy Spirit are on the higher faculties of Reason: you don't know how you know or why you know its right, but you
just know.
One example: the church of my youth was an ugly modern one, without a High Altar. I started praying at a Cathedral, and there was a moment where I just
understood that Jesus was present in the Altar, having no idea they store the Eucharist in there. I didn't Feel it. I just Knew.
There's a girl I see there sometimes. She likes to smile at me and say "He's. Right. There." I get it.
It was like how I suddenly Just Knew my Grandfather was a Freemason months back, leading to an argument with my Sister, and the eventual revelation of confirmation via my Father. You don't feel it. You don't 'work it out'. You're given knowledge, directly.
It operates in increasingly subtle ways, the further along the Purgative Road you are. It's fascinating to suddenly understand that something you've just always assumed was right, no longer is, and, with that, you can no longer do it. It's the opposite of the Subjective Reality: you don't decide what is right and wrong: You just know what is right and wrong, even if it has to be hammered into your stupid head via the process of repeated falls.
What you can't trust: anything that arises in the sensible faculties, i.e. you feel it. The Demonic has power over this area. Does the behaviour of the type of person who thinks FEELS = REALS suddenly make more sense to you? Isn't it an interesting coincidence that the Children of the Adversary are shaping society to be Feels-Based? I feel i was raped / deserve your money / am some weird gender mix / deserve to be praised for engaging in sodomy, etc.
One of the more useful tidbits I read was from St John of the Cross: if you experience Sensible Consolations - I've experienced 'the Gift of Tears' many times, eventually causing me some suspicion about its origin - ignore them, and simply keep up your religious duties, particularly as these are eventually stripped away anyway so you don't love God for the 'sweets' he gives you, but for the love of him alone.
However, if you operate on your emotions, you fall under demonic control, meaning, you will, observably over time reek of disorder to anyone paying attention.
The Dysfunctional Interior Life goes through these steps, and, if you've known party girls, you'll instantly recognise it from experience, whether you believe in God or not:
Party
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Pervert
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Pathetic
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Wonder why so many Leftist women are Ugly and have Dead Eyes? Wonder why they screech about their emotions all the time? They're unable to control themselves because they didn't develop virtues and indulged in vices, making them slaves of their freedom sin.
Whilst you can be drawn back from the Pathetic Stage, through God's Grace, it's highly-unlikely anyone that far gone will respond to the call.
Note that I considered myself on the border of the Pathetic Stage because my First Conversion over the last 18 months: I had an enormous sexual appetite, where I was
always capable of having sex, sometimes up to eight times a day. Whilst I could show restraint and tease with apparent disinterest, the impulse was always there, even if I didn't act on it. This meant no satisfaction, no matter how long the act took. Most people would say the sex act is over when the man climaxes. I'd always just grin and say "Give me a minute," then, later, "Give me another minute."
This is why I have such a large notch count, and why I now think about the great amount of damage I have done. I can see why Fisto, with similar numbers, experienced a similar conversion.
Of course, its impossible to find a partner with that kind of sex drive, which, results in necessary infidelity, which eventually destroys any relationship.
Of course, I'm still tempted with sex - exes come sniffing around on the regular - but, how can I explain this - it's often veiled, like someone is protecting me from myself. Wouldn't have thought it was possible, but, there it is. Everything that is promised plays out exactly as it says it will, if you cooperate with the process, rather than staying attached to your sins.
When I fall? It's never a sexual trigger initially. I think the Demons see I've become suspicious that way, and, since they can influence the imagination based upon memory, with my notch count, there's mountains of material they can trial me with. I'm careful to control my temper now: demons can work in the Irascible Appetite, and I've noticed if I slip up there, then, BANG, like vultures on a carcass, I'm flooded with sexual temptations.
It's like boarding up your farmhouse from zombies: if you strengthen one place, immediately start looking around for their next likely way in, boards and nails at the ready.
You might ask why would you go to this kind of trouble? Holy Peace. Once you've experienced it, you'll understand. The world recedes, and you're not of it, even though you're in it.
Thinking more on it, it makes me suspect the bible is, specifically, a way for the Children of the Adversary to have no influence or power over your life whatsoever. Their spheres of institutional power become of no interest to you.
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