[rudebwoy]

Your lucky she left now and only with a ring.

Take it as a lesson, she could have left with half your stuff if you were married to her.

Screen better, next time.

Now stop crying and go find another one.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I respect your guys' opinion that what I'm doing is petty, but at the end of the day I gotta do what I feel is right. If you don't believe my story that's fine too, one kind forum member warned me not to try and prove anything since there are people trying to DoXX forum members so thanks for that. I'll continue to update this thread as the situation unfolds.

[Gringuito]

I understand your concern about Doxxing. That being said a number of people on this forum have met in person. One of the advantages of having FU money is you get to worry less about what people think of you. If you change your mind you have my number.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

@gringito yeah I might still give u a call and feel it out. I’ll txt u first

[swiss rabbit]

Disagree to everyone that says let it go.

It's small claims court, he's not litigating a lawsuit against Microsoft. Small claims cases can be filed by the snap of a finger. Once you get a judgment, you're golden. You have almost a restaurant menu of choices in collecting. Her credit will be f'd if she doesn't pay.

I once had someone screw me over, I sued, I won, they laughed even after judgment, I had the last laugh the sheriff went to their business and emptied out their cash register.

[JayGould]

Don't let her off the hook. Take her to court, make her return the ring and also have her lose money on legal fees in the process. People should not get away with doing you wrong and sometimes you just have to set an example.

[rudebwoy]

(07-08-2018 11:13 PM)swiss rabbit Wrote:  

Disagree to everyone that says let it go.

It's small claims court, he's not litigating a lawsuit against Microsoft. Small claims cases can be filed by the snap of a finger. Once you get a judgment, you're golden. You have almost a restaurant menu of choices in collecting. Her credit will be f'd if she doesn't pay.

I once had someone screw me over, I sued, I won, they laughed even after judgment, I had the last laugh the sheriff went to their business and emptied out their cash register.

I am not a lawyer, but what are the chances he wins in court.
If I spend big money on a dress for some girl, can I get it back if she breaks up with me.
Does she even have to come to court?
It is a gift, an expensive one which the OP had no qualms about spending $6000 on.

I wouldn't trust the court system, suppose you get a female judge.

[NoMoreTO]

What about getting it back another way? Let someone who knows her convince her to give it back? Not sure but if people around her know you didn't cheat, and she ended the relationship, then maybe that risk to her reputation will cause her to give it back. Tough situation, It might be a lost cause, risky investment, a lot less risky than marrying without a prenup though.

[Hypno]

Was this the girl from SA that you got engaged to?

thread-21493-page-79.html (post 1968).

Use the lawyer who drafted your prenup for the SA girl to sue her.

[rottenapple]

Don't understand all the shit the OP is getting. It's a simple small court claim, he won't lose too much time with it, he'll probably win it, get some satisfaction of of it by not letting his ex & family fuck with him and send out a message to not try other shit afterward. On top of that its 6000$, not really pennies either is it?

Maybe you guys are focusing too much on trying to be the cool guy who cannot be faded by something material. The other side though is a man that defends his honor and principles no matter what.

This kind of reminds me of that forum post of a guy that had his wallet snatched by another guy he met at the hostel. Many gave the advice to no do anything since it's just a wallet and he could get injured physically. Makes sense, but fuck me, if someone tries to disrespect you like that in such an obvious way I'd rather live with a broken nose for a couple of weeks than with a broken ego for the rest of my life. Not exactly the same, but you get the point. Draw your borders and defend them.

And on top of that, think of the collective impact. If all men would just let it go, it sends a message to all women that this is a normal and profitable thing they can do, fuck over their ex in any way they see fit, hence it will occur more frequently. Society is mainly fucked right now, because men have lost the will to defend principles and their honor. Remember women are acting in unity in societal dynamics, while men are mainly doing stuff individually and we (men as a whole) have been suffering because of it. The reason this forum exists is to stop that trend.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

@hypno yes it’s surprising how fast u can go beta when you think ur “in love” I now understand all the in love with stripper rap lyrics. Never again tho.

@rotten appreciate ur post. I’m not here for validation I understand and appreciate all the negative comments as well I know you guys aren’t hating just trying to help. At the same time to me being alpha is doing whatever the fuck I want to do (albeit with wisdom) and this is something I want to do because I think it’s an injustice. And it doesn’t cost me much more than 15 minutes before a judge.

FYI she was served today court date is in a few weeks will keep you guys posted. First date is with mediator and if cannot work out agreement goes before judge the following day.

[kaotic]

Guyz, I'm a ballerz but my fiance left and won't give me a low cost ring back.

OP sounds like a soft handed faggot whose being a petty ass bitch nigga who has to complain on a forum of grown men.

Move the fuck on you big baller troll, I don't give a fuck about your proof.

And no you aren't some Asian Mark Cuckerberg.

[Jetset]

(07-09-2018 09:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I am not a lawyer, but what are the chances he wins in court.
If I spend big money on a dress for some girl, can I get it back if she breaks up with me.
Does she even have to come to court?
It is a gift, an expensive one which the OP had no qualms about spending $6000 on.

I wouldn't trust the court system, suppose you get a female judge.

In most jurisdictions, the chances that he wins are around 100% as long as he can establish that it was an ring for an engagement she broke off. This has standing in law that a dress does not. Female judge will give zero fucks. Nothing pisses off a judge of either gender in small claims court faster than some 'tard who already knows they're wrong making some poor sap sue them and waste the court's time. Judge could have been banging the bailiff in her chambers and instead she's listening to two strangers argue about their breakup, the only question is which one is the idiot who she should be angry with for letting it get to this point. They realize this is miserable for everybody, including themselves. As long as OP looks like he has clean hands and has been behaving reasonably while asking for the ring back, it's likely a slam dunk.

Winning, however, isn't the same as collecting, and things OP has said since I posted before have raised all kinds of questions about what's really going on here.

[S3K2]

I would say forget about the ring, and her and move on. Getting the ring back probably won't help you with the grieving process.

If you feel that strongly about it, consult with a lawyer. Its possible to spend 50% of what the rings worth just in litigation costs alone. I.e. missing work, fee to file small claims paperwork, lawyer if you lawyer up etc etc...

[Hypno]

Got a court date yet?

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-21-2018 05:06 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

Got a court date yet?

yeah coming up in a couple weeks. Found legal precedents that are pretty airtight.

In re the MARRIAGE OF Beth HEINZMAN, Petitioner, and William G. Heinzman, Respondent. (CO supreme court 1979) - "The majority rule appears to be that B must transfer back to A a gift received and held under the following circumstances: A and B are engaged to be married to each other. In contemplation of the formal commencement of that life of bliss A makes a gift to B. Later, through no fault of A, B breaks the engagement. The majority of courts reason that such a gift was conditioned upon a subsequent ceremonial marriage."

De Cicco v Barker (Mass supreme court 1959) is quoted by Heinzman and involves engagement ring - "an engagement ring is in the nature of a pledge, given on the implied condition that the marriage shall take place. If the contract to marry is terminated without fault on the part of the donor he may recover the ring."

The law is definitely on my side, just have to argue my case well.

[Suits]

I'd be careful with those legal precedents. Both are in different states and if neither is in your state, the court of your state will probably disregard them altogether.

[DimeBait]

I agree with Suits, beware. Both those cases seem antiquated and my guess wouldn’t stand up to shepardizing even if they were binding in your jurisdiction. The notion that marriage was a condition subsequent to the contractual consideration given is a tall order to prove. However, you seem hell bent on proceeding so best of luck.

[jamaicabound]

(07-06-2018 09:42 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

The old custom, usually recognized by law, is that the ring is collateral against the slut-shame damages of being rejected after publicly announcing your engagement and having to find another man as damaged goods.

Some states have changed things around, and I don't know what state you're in, but make sure you have a clear chain of evidence that "here is how I am proving how much this ring is worth, here is how I am proving that this is why I gave it to her, and here is how I am proving that she is keeping it". Bring the relevant statute or a printout of the controlling case in case the judge isn't familiar with it, although they should be. You want a receipt, some evidence of the engagement afterwards (emails, SMS, even an announcement in the family newsletter, whatever), and her refusal to return it with an implicit admission that she has it.

She'll probably try to claim it was an unconditional gift so showing the intent to marry may be important. Small claims usually cannot do anything but award money, and won't be able to give you the ring back.

I think the scenario your talking about is if the guy left the woman. It sounds like OP was left and I believe rings are conditional of marriage so if marriage doesn't happen legally she should return the ring. Not a laywer here nor do I play one on tv, but I do sometimes smoke pot and watch judge mathis on occasion.

[Bacchus]

(07-24-2018 01:31 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I'd be careful with those legal precedents. Both are in different states and if neither is in your state, the court of your state will probably disregard them altogether.

Exactly. A judge will not listen to law from out of state. Find a case or two from your state, and you should have the case in the bag.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-24-2018 10:26 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 01:31 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I'd be careful with those legal precedents. Both are in different states and if neither is in your state, the court of your state will probably disregard them altogether.

Exactly. A judge will not listen to law from out of state. Find a case or two from your state, and you should have the case in the bag.

good point! i actually found a few in my state, and they are similar to what I posted above (actually cites both of them). So I think I'm good.

[RatInTheWoods]

+1 for forget the fuck about it.

Shitload cheaper than a divorce in a few years.

Gifts are not for retraction, its not a manly thing to do.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

Welp had my trial today. Won the ring back. Turns out even both parties break off an engagement by mutual consent ring goes back to giver. I had a ton of evidence that it was her fault but at the end of the day didn’t even need it.

Definitely an interesting experience. I clearly had the stronger case and won. Was a female judge but was pretty impartial imo.

The ex held her composure ok but her case was a jumbled mess of hamster logic.

At the end of the day, I’m glad I went through with it. Learned a lot about court and I’m even more glad I dodged a bullet as I found out she tried to file a police report about all sorts of crazy stuff (domestic abuse, etc) that were completely made up.

[the-dream]

Have you actually got the ring? What do you plan to do with it? How much did the court case cost and how much did the ring cost? What happened when she tried to make up things to the police, is there a chance you could get prosecuted for that?

[lavidaloca]

You got the ring and went all the way through the small claims process post service in under a month?

In Ontario it takes a year usually or more.