[Kona]

(07-06-2018 10:07 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

You want to be Superjew

Aloha!

[PapayaTapper]

[Suits]

(07-06-2018 06:25 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 04:21 PM)germanico Wrote:  

Are you here asking for advice, or just trying to get some validation on your chosen course of action?

legal advice, see first post.

No, man. Don't lie to us. You're a wealthy man with a long list of legal victories who has never lost in court. A man like you doesn't visit a random forum to seek legal advice.

You're here seeking attention.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-06-2018 08:52 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

Not sad about her leaving cuz I realized I turned beta cuck while with her and I’m happy to be back in the game.

But she won’t return the ring and I’m filing a small claims suit to get it back.

1. It’s completely classless to not return an engagement ring if you break it off right?

2. How do I win this thing? Never been to court before. RVF legal minds where you at?

(07-06-2018 12:18 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

2) anyone who knows my real name can google me and know I’m legit (pm me for proof) and anyone can do a quick legal search and see all my legal actions. This is my first small claims case but I’ve never lost a case in court. Any lawyer her family hires will see this and refuse the case unless she has something bulletproof. She doesn’t I’m very careful

3) fact of the matter is if someone knows ur rich and ur life details they will go after ur money unless you show u are willing to hit back 10x as hard. I’m not trump but same shit applies. @cleanslate you underestimate the number of con men and con women out there. It’s as simple as finding a property I own and waiting around for an accident. Or following my car and trying to get me to hit them. All sorts of crazy shit. And I don’t even have as much as those people think I do based on google search but still happens at least few times a year. Sometimes I wish I could delete myself off google

(07-06-2018 03:18 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

to each his own. i've already explained why it is worth my time. how much time do you think it's actively costing me? I just need to get some receipts and show up to court for an hour. Plus it provides entertainment value, may sound weird to you, but I like the fact I can try to run "game" on a judge to get a certain outcome. It's fun.

Wot in the wot?

[CleanSlate]

^ I knew it.

[Beyond Borders]

^ suppose it's pretty easy to never lose a court case if you've never been to court...

[Matsufubu]

(07-06-2018 03:19 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 02:56 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

In post #15 you said it was a $6k ring.

Am I missing something here?

Sorry 2.5 Karat. Usually abbreviated K, can see how it could cause confusion. But if it was a diamond it would be worth 50K easy.

I'm no expert, but Karat relates to gold, not diamonds. Carat relates to diamonds.

From https://www.americanbullion.com/karat-vs-carat/:

Quote:

Karats are another way of expressing gold purity

Carats measure the mass of diamonds or other gemstones

Again, maybe I'm missing something here.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-07-2018 04:34 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Never been to court before.

(07-06-2018 12:18 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

[size=x-large]I’ve never lost a case in court.

I answered this already, I've never been to SMALL CLAIMS court. All of my cases have been civil. Lawyers handle those, not the plaintiff/defendent.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-07-2018 05:02 AM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

I'm no expert, but Karat relates to gold, not diamonds. Carat relates to diamonds.

From https://www.americanbullion.com/karat-vs-carat/:

ur right. I'm not a jewelry expert. got the two mixed up. The amount of word smithing in this thread is pretty insane. Not one person has PMed me asking for proof, which I'm happy to provide to anyone who thinks I am bullshitting.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-06-2018 10:14 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:07 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

You want to be Superjew

Aloha!

that's actually pretty damn funny. never heard the term before but i'll take it. I guess I'm an Asian SuperJew

[Suits]

(07-07-2018 06:56 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

ur right.

Does being rich make it acceptable to be a grown man using textspeak?

[Matsufubu]

(07-07-2018 06:56 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 05:02 AM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

I'm no expert, but Karat relates to gold, not diamonds. Carat relates to diamonds.

From https://www.americanbullion.com/karat-vs-carat/:

ur right. I'm not a jewelry expert. got the two mixed up. The amount of word smithing in this thread is pretty insane. Not one person has PMed me asking for proof, which I'm happy to provide to anyone who thinks I am bullshitting.

Given the amount of big baller trolls, NTP clones and general trolls swarming right now, don't take it too personally. A lot of burned fingers on here, that's all. Perhaps you are legit but the hazing process has to happen.

[Gringuito]

(07-07-2018 06:56 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

Not one person has PMed me asking for proof, which I'm happy to provide to anyone who thinks I am bullshitting.

I sent you a PM. I'm happy to talk by phone or in person if you're comfortable. We could both exchange info.

[LowerCaseG]

OP should go for it. You likely will be heard before a clerk as opposed to a judge. Print out the applicable statute and/or cases and bring copies with you to hand the clerk and opposing party. You don't need a lawyer, it's a narrow legal issue that will turn on who broke off the engagement.

If fiance is dodging process server, get ready for a restraining order, it would be important for her to file prior to getting served.

You should request an audio transcript of the hearing after it's done for your files.

Collecting is a whole different ballgame, let's focus on getting a judgment first.

Let us know how it goes.

[Hypno]

Collecting should be a breeze since she has the ring and it can satisfy the judgment

[Rhyme or Reason]

Without fail, every single user who puts the word game in quote marks turns out to be a goofy ass troll. EVERY TIME.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-07-2018 09:22 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 06:56 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

Not one person has PMed me asking for proof, which I'm happy to provide to anyone who thinks I am bullshitting.

I sent you a PM. I'm happy to talk by phone or in person if you're comfortable. We could both exchange info.

got ur PM. replied.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-07-2018 11:14 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

Without fail, every single user who puts the word game in quote marks turns out to be a goofy ass troll. EVERY TIME.

why dont u just put ur money where ur mouth is and PM me for proof? i dont get why u are accusing me of being a troll when i've said posted 3x now to PM me for proof if skeptical. ill facetime show u my ID and u can just fucking google me.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-07-2018 10:55 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Collecting should be a breeze since she has the ring and it can satisfy the judgment

yeah by law she has to bring it to the trial. honestly i would rather she have pawned it so i can get the full value in cash.

[dark_g]

[Dodgy]

So quick disclaimer, I used to by a lawyer, not disbarred or anything, just make more money doing business and am not practicing. But the question of whether this girl is legally obligated to return the ring made me curious, and I actually did a little research.

And it basically comes down to which state you live in. Obviously it centers around the legal concept of a gift with unconditional gifts being irrevocable and the giver isn't entitled to the property back. But then there are conditional gifts where the giver is entitled to return. In states like NY and Pennsylvania, the ring is a conditional gift is the giver is entitled to the return of the ring regardless of who is at fault.

In states like CA and Texas, they have a conditional gift with fault considerations, meaning the court will consider who is at fault for the failed engagement. The black letter law defines who is at fault by the one who "breached" the agreement to get married, so if the women calls off the wedding then she's in breach. If the man breaches then he's not entitled to the ring back.

But the big wrinkle here, especially in my state of California, is that Judges can interpret the laws to fit their personal politics and feelings (see the 9th district rulings or even the Hawaiian judge to see what I mean). So a judge can view the evidence of the relationship and determine that the man breached the engagement even though the women called it off. The judge could do so because he's a white knight, or a women judge could do so because she's a lesbo feminist, who knows. I'm saying in a state like California, no legal outcome is certain.

And especially in small claims. I don't understand why the OP wants to air the dirty laundry of his relationship in court for a public record. Most small claims courts don't have a court reporter, so there's no transcript or recording. And I feel that your wasting the courts time to use it to get back at her, or to prove some kind of point to yourself or to her family.

I mean you're a rich successful guy using a court designed for poor people, to sue your ex fiancee to get a fake diamond ring back, while using the trial to air your dirty laundry and embarrass your ex-fiancee. Seems petty to me. You could just blast her on Instagram or Facebook instead of wasting the court's time.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

@dodgy appreciate the legal advice great post I did not know that about small claims (court recorder)

I am in a state which is fault based conditional gift. And I’m not trying to air dirty laundry publicly necessarily just getting it on the record in court. Plus the entertainment value. I don’t see what harm it could do.

I don’t really Agree that it’s petty though are you assuming my primary motivation is revenge? It’s not, I just don’t want her or her family to think they can fuck with me or my money. Plus the entertainment value I don’t see the downside

[dark_g]

(07-07-2018 02:33 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

@dodgy appreciate the legal advice great post I did not know that about small claims (court recorder)

I am in a state which is fault based conditional gift. And I’m not trying to air dirty laundry publicly necessarily just getting it on the record in court. Plus the entertainment value. I don’t see what harm it could do.

I don’t really Agree that it’s petty though are you assuming my primary motivation is revenge? It’s not, I just don’t want her or her family to think they can fuck with me or my money. Plus the entertainment value I don’t see the downside

.

If you've been wronged and you feel you should get compensated for your loss, by all means go for it.

If you don't care about the money and you're doing it just for entertainment value, then I agree with dodgy. You're wasting the courts time and I also think it's petty.

[DimeBait]

Petty AF


Besides, many jurisdictions view engagement/wedding rings as legally irrevocable gifts.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-07-2018 02:33 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

@dodgy appreciate the legal advice great post I did not know that about small claims (court recorder)

I am in a state which is fault based conditional gift. And I’m not trying to air dirty laundry publicly necessarily just getting it on the record in court. Plus the entertainment value. I don’t see what harm it could do.

I don’t really Agree that it’s petty though are you assuming my primary motivation is revenge? It’s not, I just don’t want her or her family to think they can fuck with me or my money. Plus the entertainment value I don’t see the downside

Yup - my boss was worth over 100 mio. $ and I often tried to convince him to not pursue legal action - we would be paying more for legal fees.

Most of the times we paid far more for lawyers than if we had paid off an employee a relatively paltry sum of 3000$. (Too bad that my boss later accused me of dishing out bad advice when the lawyers cost us far more than 3000$ - but that is the luxury of being given to the owner of a company - you can be selectively forgetful.)

The principle is sometimes enough to go to court - I understand that. It's not necessarily revenge, but a pursuit of what is right.