[TravelerKai]

If you live in one of the states where it is conditional for engagement rings, call a lawyer and at least get a quick consultation. Few will know what options are available to you without you telling most of your business openly on the forum. If any US based civil lawyers are lurking around send the OP a PM if you might be able to help.

[TigerMandingo]

I would just let it go mate. An ex of mine broke my Tissot watch and my entire cologne collection. I'd put the entire value of all of that at around 1k. I thought about lawyering up but then just moved on. The energy you'll spend in addition to the stress will age you and cause God knows what sorts of health problems.

[Latan]

OP, even if this story ends up in a few months, keep us posted.
I'd really like to know how this will end.

[redpillage]

Remember: You can buy sex but you cannot ever buy love. Should have spent that money on lap dances or trips abroad instead. Hope you learned your lesson!

[CleanSlate]

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OP says he is wealthy.

Yet he starts a thread about getting some stupid engagement ring back?

[MongolianAbroad]

(07-06-2018 11:09 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

4th post down this page:

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OP says he is wealthy.

Yet he starts a thread about getting some stupid engagement ring back?

[tomtud]

I have seen a few judge Judy episodes and a few cases she presided over dealt with this dilemma. She states basically the ring has an attached condition that you marry. Otherwise you should give it back.

For principal go to court. It will also inconvenience her too. So she may just say fuck it and give it back.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

@cleanslate if you have money and you arent willing to defend it in court people will take u to the cleaners

Why do you think trump gets in so many lawsuits even frivolous ones? It’s part of the package friend. If u let shit go when it comes to money u won’t keep it long

[Dodgy]

Well with that being said, I'll stay give you some advice. Generally the Smalls Claims limit is $5,000 for personal claims, but that can change based on state.

Your problem is that the small claims judges/magistrates base their rulings on their feels or opinions. Yes, they are supposed to rule based on black letter law, but more often than not its easier and faster for small claims court to rule on the case as they saw it in court and the impressions they received from the parties. There are no legal briefs backed by sound arguments in small claims, so it can really turn in to a toss up.

They get away with this because there are no lawyers to object and question their rulings. So if you go before a small claims judge (who is most definitely not a trial judge, more of a traffic court judge), you're at the mercy of how he or she feels about you, your situation, or how many cases they saw before you, or how hungry and tired they are. So it's a toss up whether you'll win or not.

Finally, lets say you do win and get a judgment against your fiancee. Well your second hurdle is collecting any of it. Once you get a judgment you can file it with a court. But that doesn't mean she'll pay. After a period of time, you can pay for the Sheriff's department to collect and they will place a lien on personal accounts. But that doesn't mean anything. The minute she realizes there's a lien on her account she won't use it. She will use a family members account, or have her sister or something open a new one for her in the sister's name. You could place a lien on property like a house, but if she doesn't own property then there's nothing to lien. You basically could go years without collecting more than $500 on the $6k judgment.

So basically it isn't worth your time, unless you're just trying to get back at her. But even then I don't think it would be worth it to use this as some type of revenge.

[Suits]

I think OP is pursuing this based on the principle of that matter. If he has resources to spare, this sounds like good entertainment.

[CleanSlate]

(07-06-2018 11:27 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

@cleanslate if you have money and you arent willing to defend it in court people will take u to the cleaners

Why do you think trump gets in so many lawsuits even frivolous ones? It’s part of the package friend. If u let shit go when it comes to money u won’t keep it long

Who are these ‘people’ chomping at the bit to take you to the cleaners? How do they even know whether you’re getting the ring back or not? And it’s none of their business, nor should they even care.

So you are pursuing this through the legal system, despite a very low chance you’ll get the ring or the money back (for reasons Dodgy outlined), just to make a point? And again, to whom?

If it’s just her, you’re just doing this for revenge and claiming that you’re doing it out of principle. I’m not saying you’re wrong to do this. You want to pursue this, go ahead. But just be honest with yourself about why.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

Guys i didn’t want to bring this up initially but since a poster brought up my wealth...

1) her entire family is obviously after $$, won’t go into details but you can use ur imagination

2) anyone who knows my real name can google me and know I’m legit (pm me for proof) and anyone can do a quick legal search and see all my legal actions. This is my first small claims case but I’ve never lost a case in court. Any lawyer her family hires will see this and refuse the case unless she has something bulletproof. She doesn’t I’m very careful

3) fact of the matter is if someone knows ur rich and ur life details they will go after ur money unless you show u are willing to hit back 10x as hard. I’m not trump but same shit applies. @cleanslate you underestimate the number of con men and con women out there. It’s as simple as finding a property I own and waiting around for an accident. Or following my car and trying to get me to hit them. All sorts of crazy shit. And I don’t even have as much as those people think I do based on google search but still happens at least few times a year. Sometimes I wish I could delete myself off google

I’m not trying to brag or validate with u guys just keeping it 100. I appreciate all the advice to drop it I really do but in my world if u don’t show ur willing to Use ur nukes you may as well give up ur bank account now. If ur can’t play trump game u have to at least play the Kim game

[Dodgy]

(07-06-2018 12:18 PM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

Guys i didn’t want to bring this up initially but since a poster brought up my wealth...

1) her entire family is obviously after $$, won’t go into details but you can use ur imagination

2) This is my first small claims case but I’ve never lost a case in court. Any lawyer her family hires will see this and refuse the case unless she has something bulletproof. She doesn’t I’m very careful

3) fact of the matter is if someone knows ur rich and ur life details they will go after ur money unless you show u are willing to hit back 10

Well it seems that you should be thankful that she left you because you likely dodged a bullet with her and her family. But again, small claims is a different animal than civil court and there are no lawyers involved. And if you're trying to hit back at her or fuck with her, small claims isn't the place to do it. There is no time or money commitment on her end like there is in civil court. She can ignore the process server, ignore the court date and then ignore notice of the judgment.

In fact, like I said in my previous post small claims is the worst place for you, because if you show up to the court date suited up with rich guy swag/confidence and she shows up playing the poor helpless victim describing how cruel you were to her during your engagement, then you'll be in a tough spot.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Let it go.

[Latan]

OP, your mind is set, I respect that.
No need to argue now about details : go for it, get your ring back, try to win this challenge.

Then please report back.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-06-2018 09:02 AM)AznMarkZuckerberg Wrote:  

@Latan actually a conditional gift must be returned if the conditions upon which the gift was given no longer hold true.

Engagement rings must be returned legally in almost every state.

I did basic research before I filed I know the law is on my side I just want tactics to win in court

Yeah - sometimes men are giving off family-heirlooms worth 100.000$. I read about those lawsuits. Women sometimes try to keep it, but the court usually sides with the man since it is a specific conditional gift.

Post-marriage - even if she dumps you 1 minute after she signs on the dotted line - that is a completely different matter.

[lookslikeit]

(07-06-2018 11:09 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

4th post down this page:

thread-21493...pid1813646

OP says he is wealthy.

Yet he starts a thread about getting some stupid engagement ring back?

So just because someone is wealthy he has to let people take advantage of him?

[lookslikeit]

(07-06-2018 11:31 AM)Dodgy Wrote:  

Well with that being said, I'll stay give you some advice. Generally the Smalls Claims limit is $5,000 for personal claims, but that can change based on state.

Your problem is that the small claims judges/magistrates base their rulings on their feels or opinions. Yes, they are supposed to rule based on black letter law, but more often than not its easier and faster for small claims court to rule on the case as they saw it in court and the impressions they received from the parties. There are no legal briefs backed by sound arguments in small claims, so it can really turn in to a toss up.

They get away with this because there are no lawyers to object and question their rulings. So if you go before a small claims judge (who is most definitely not a trial judge, more of a traffic court judge), you're at the mercy of how he or she feels about you, your situation, or how many cases they saw before you, or how hungry and tired they are. So it's a toss up whether you'll win or not.

Finally, lets say you do win and get a judgment against your fiancee. Well your second hurdle is collecting any of it. Once you get a judgment you can file it with a court. But that doesn't mean she'll pay. After a period of time, you can pay for the Sheriff's department to collect and they will place a lien on personal accounts. But that doesn't mean anything. The minute she realizes there's a lien on her account she won't use it. She will use a family members account, or have her sister or something open a new one for her in the sister's name. You could place a lien on property like a house, but if she doesn't own property then there's nothing to lien. You basically could go years without collecting more than $500 on the $6k judgment.

So basically it isn't worth your time, unless you're just trying to get back at her. But even then I don't think it would be worth it to use this as some type of revenge.

Having a lien on your person even if you are a sub-average shmuck is still a very bad thing. it'll handicap you like crap. worth more than the ring itself if the guy is for it not for the ring itself.

[EvanWilson]

It should be easy to get a judgment in small claims court but that may not be necessary.

It is possible that once she gets the notice that a small claims case has been filed that she would just return the ring.

Most states have a section on the court web site that explains the process; basically fill out the small claims form for the filing (your name and address, her name and address and then a section were you explain what your damages are and everything about the case) and mail it in.

[Ski pro]

If you’ve got any sense you won’t bother and spend the time you would spend fucking about with small claims court doing something more productive.

[Bacchus]

I know you filed in small claims court already, but how about something like the People's Court for maximum trolling?

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-06-2018 12:30 PM)Dodgy Wrote:  

Well it seems that you should be thankful that she left you because you likely dodged a bullet with her and her family. But again, small claims is a different animal than civil court and there are no lawyers involved. And if you're trying to hit back at her or fuck with her, small claims isn't the place to do it. There is no time or money commitment on her end like there is in civil court. She can ignore the process server, ignore the court date and then ignore notice of the judgment.

In fact, like I said in my previous post small claims is the worst place for you, because if you show up to the court date suited up with rich guy swag/confidence and she shows up playing the poor helpless victim describing how cruel you were to her during your engagement, then you'll be in a tough spot.

Oh I'm quite glad she left. I can't do civil court the amount is too small. I have every text conversation and google hangout we've ever (including me being very reasonable after arguments) she will have a hard time proving I was cruel. I get it though I'm not going to be custom suited down or anything.

I don't think you can just ignore all that legal stuff. You can always garnish wages. May take time to collect but there are consequences.

Anyway, it's not like it's taking up a ton of my time there is just one court date. it's not like a civil case where there is trial after trial. The risk/reward is decent and I think of it as a pre-emptive strike so her family doesn't fuck with me later.

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-06-2018 02:29 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

I know you filed in small claims court already, but how about something like the People's Court for maximum trolling?

haha no way i want this out in the open. i like ur thinking tho.

[Avadhuta]

You mentioned her family having gone cold but since you were engaged with this girl you probably interacted with her social circle as well. Is there no way you can talk to her aquaintances and shame her into returning the ring?

[AznMarkZuckerberg]

(07-06-2018 02:29 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

If you’ve got any sense you won’t bother and spend the time you would spend fucking about with small claims court doing something more productive.

What you don't understand is this is a financial shit test. Who the fuck keeps an engagement ring? It makes no sense. If I back down and don't do anything she will probably try to take me to civil court on something made up just because she thinks I'll settle.