@ Samseau. Japanese and Germans are a very different breed to the siesta states.
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Quote: (07-06-2018 02:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (07-02-2018 03:07 AM)Batka Wrote:
Mexico has some very pressing issues to solve and Obrador must waste no time. Obviously there is the friction between Mexico and its more powerful northern neighbour, Trump's US. Many on here are saying "build the wall", but will that stop the mass migration northwards? I'm afraid it won't as desperate people will resort to desperate measures in order to better their lives to escape their "shitholes". Why are they shitholes? Well in order to get to the crux of the issue, we must look at underlying causes. Just pick up a history book to find out why. The US has for decades, directly interfered both overt and covert not to mention plunder many Latin American countries in order to keep them weak and onside. Any ruler who bucked the neo-liberal, neo-imperial trend - Allende, Arbenz, Ortega, Castro, Chavez, Sandino etc. either got taken out by a coup, assassinated or got sanctions slapped on them.
If someone starts their self-improvement journey by blaming others, then they will never improve. The idea that the US is to blame for South America's woes is laughable. The countries are fucked up because the people are fucked up. It is that simple. The USA had plenty of obstacles in its way - they overcame them and pulled itself up by its own bootstraps.
If you want to know who to blame for your problems, look in the mirror.
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Another factor that led to the mass influx was NAFTA. NAFTA, the brainchild of war criminal Bill Clinton utterly destroyed many Central American economies, Mexico included. Cheap US products flooded the markets forcing many Mexicans and others from the central American states to abandon their livelihoods, especially many peasant farmers and head north in search of work. These factors have been driving the mass migration north. The same can be said with North Africa and Europe, except the wars of aggression against Libya, Syria and Iraq which have destabalised the Middle East.
Mexico has benefited tremendously from NAFTA. Their trade balance with the USA is massive, over 100 billion a year. You're telling me NAFTA is to blame? I have to seriously question your ability to judge things if you believe this.
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If we are to halt this mass movement of people, we need to tackle the underlying problems and that means a complete sea change of policy and group-think north of the Rio Grande. Spending billions on a wall won't hold back those who are desperate to make a better life. Scrapping NAFTA will be a route in the right direction. Obrador's election is a good start to making that happen and making Mexico great again in order to stem the human tide. I wish him the best of luck. He's gonna need it, a lot of it.
Obrador is the next Hugo Chavez of Mexico. Take it to the bank. He's going to return Mexico to days of violence not seen since the Aztecs.
The only way to fix Mexico, or any other Latin American dump, is by brute force. The USA would need to militarily invade, and colonize the lands, as the Spanish once did. The current crop of people running the countries have no idea what they are doing. They need to be ruled from above for at least 2 generations before the people there can unfuck themselves.
Now why would the people of the USA want to do such an ungrateful act? Would the Mexicans, or any other South American people, appreciate such an act? Of course not. They think they know it all.
So, fuck 'em. Build the wall and wait until they are begging for salvation. I want to see massive refugee cities spring up next to the American wall, where American citizens can throw food down to the masses as acts of good charity. Once the population of these camps become around 10-20 million we can organize an army with them and conquer Mexico with their own refugees. Afterwards we can rule Mexico as a puppet state until it's functional like Germany or Japan.
That's how American needs to handle the South American morons who can't run a country to save their lives. They literally cannot do it, which is why the violence and starvation is so bad.
Quote: (07-06-2018 02:56 PM)Dusty Wrote:
Mexico doesn’t have any autos ( the thought of a Mexican car is comical), yet there are 19 auto manufacturing plants in Mexico making ice peoples cars.
I’d say “free trade” is pretty beneficial to Mexico.
Quote: (07-06-2018 02:42 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:
@ Samseau. Japanese and Germans are a very different breed to the siesta states.
Quote: (07-06-2018 02:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (07-02-2018 03:07 AM)Batka Wrote:
Mexico has some very pressing issues to solve and Obrador must waste no time. Obviously there is the friction between Mexico and its more powerful northern neighbour, Trump's US. Many on here are saying "build the wall", but will that stop the mass migration northwards? I'm afraid it won't as desperate people will resort to desperate measures in order to better their lives to escape their "shitholes". Why are they shitholes? Well in order to get to the crux of the issue, we must look at underlying causes. Just pick up a history book to find out why. The US has for decades, directly interfered both overt and covert not to mention plunder many Latin American countries in order to keep them weak and onside. Any ruler who bucked the neo-liberal, neo-imperial trend - Allende, Arbenz, Ortega, Castro, Chavez, Sandino etc. either got taken out by a coup, assassinated or got sanctions slapped on them.
If someone starts their self-improvement journey by blaming others, then they will never improve. The idea that the US is to blame for South America's woes is laughable. The countries are fucked up because the people are fucked up. It is that simple. The USA had plenty of obstacles in its way - they overcame them and pulled itself up by its own bootstraps.
If you want to know who to blame for your problems, look in the mirror.
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Another factor that led to the mass influx was NAFTA. NAFTA, the brainchild of war criminal Bill Clinton utterly destroyed many Central American economies, Mexico included. Cheap US products flooded the markets forcing many Mexicans and others from the central American states to abandon their livelihoods, especially many peasant farmers and head north in search of work. These factors have been driving the mass migration north. The same can be said with North Africa and Europe, except the wars of aggression against Libya, Syria and Iraq which have destabalised the Middle East.
Mexico has benefited tremendously from NAFTA. Their trade balance with the USA is massive, over 100 billion a year. You're telling me NAFTA is to blame? I have to seriously question your ability to judge things if you believe this.
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If we are to halt this mass movement of people, we need to tackle the underlying problems and that means a complete sea change of policy and group-think north of the Rio Grande. Spending billions on a wall won't hold back those who are desperate to make a better life. Scrapping NAFTA will be a route in the right direction. Obrador's election is a good start to making that happen and making Mexico great again in order to stem the human tide. I wish him the best of luck. He's gonna need it, a lot of it.
Obrador is the next Hugo Chavez of Mexico. Take it to the bank. He's going to return Mexico to days of violence not seen since the Aztecs.
The only way to fix Mexico, or any other Latin American dump, is by brute force. The USA would need to militarily invade, and colonize the lands, as the Spanish once did. The current crop of people running the countries have no idea what they are doing. They need to be ruled from above for at least 2 generations before the people there can unfuck themselves.
Now why would the people of the USA want to do such an ungrateful act? Would the Mexicans, or any other South American people, appreciate such an act? Of course not. They think they know it all.
So, fuck 'em. Build the wall and wait until they are begging for salvation. I want to see massive refugee cities spring up next to the American wall, where American citizens can throw food down to the masses as acts of good charity. Once the population of these camps become around 10-20 million we can organize an army with them and conquer Mexico with their own refugees. Afterwards we can rule Mexico as a puppet state until it's functional like Germany or Japan.
That's how American needs to handle the South American morons who can't run a country to save their lives. They literally cannot do it, which is why the violence and starvation is so bad.
Quote: (07-06-2018 07:10 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (07-06-2018 02:42 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:
@ Samseau. Japanese and Germans are a very different breed to the siesta states.
I did not say they could become the next Germany or Japan, I said functional like Germany and Japan were occupied until they reached that point.
Functional by Mexican standards: low violence, low crime, people living happy lives, a half-decent economy. Honestly it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to achieve, but, sadly, people are broken.
Quote: (07-01-2018 09:43 PM)Luvianka Wrote:
Quote: (07-01-2018 09:37 PM)Dusty Wrote:
If this guy tries crazy shit, this could mean Trump can use the Army to build the wall.
Easy, man. Cool it down.
Quote: (07-07-2018 05:48 AM)Batka Wrote:
Invade, colonize, the people are fucked, puppet state.....
The 1850s called. They want their manifest destiny back.
Quote: (07-06-2018 06:05 PM)Parras Wrote:Wtf am I looking at. It looks like a 12 year old's draw up of a dream car. All it's missing are the giant exhaust pipes on the back and monster teeth designed into the grill.
Quote: (07-06-2018 02:56 PM)Dusty Wrote:
Mexico doesn’t have any autos ( the thought of a Mexican car is comical), yet there are 19 auto manufacturing plants in Mexico making ice peoples cars.
I’d say “free trade” is pretty beneficial to Mexico.
You are wrong
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Quote: (07-07-2018 08:57 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:
The people of Mexico ain't that bad:
This town is independent and autonomous since 2010. A town militia kicked out the cops, the criminal gang and the politicians. Crime is extremely low and the local militia are recruited from men in the community who are accountable to the people. It's funny that Mexico lets them stay independent - they are probably afraid of the PR disaster if they came with the army.
Of course - it's hard to transport this to the entire country.
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Quote: (07-01-2018 11:14 PM)rpg Wrote:
When the Peso crashes hard it is going to be a disaster of epic proportions. The elites in Mexico are already postioned to eject if needed. The middle class will be wrecked. The poor will always be poor. The cartels will probably remove him if he starts messing with their shit. The cartels are so powerful in Mexico we have no frame of reference in the US to compare it to.
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Narco-cities (Narco-ciudades)
Narcos rule entire regions of Mexico and certainly cities, slums, favelas and barrios elsewhere. These criminal enclaves are essentially ‘criminal cities.’ It is important to note that ‘narco-cities’ are not solely products of hyperviolence. As mentioned earlier, violence plays a role and is a sign of ferality and a lack of state solvency, but other factors corruption, co-option of government officials, dominance of commerce and trade also figure into narco dominance.
In Mexico it has been estimated that up to 71.5% of municipios (cities and towns) have been captured or are under control of narcos. This figure has been steadily rising during Mexico’s drug war as seen here: in 2001 the number of municipios under narco control was assessed at 34%; in 2006 that rose to 53%; in 2010 it was estimated at 73%, then dropping to 71.5% in 2011.[xvii] The result is a neo-feudal situation where stratified governance exists: the gangs and cartels rule some functions while the state rules others. Complicating the situation is the rise of autodefensas (self defense groups or vigilantes) sponsored by businessmen, farmers, or rival cartels. Autodefensas are estimated to operate in at least 68 municipios in 13 Mexican states.[xviii] Currently Michoacán, including an embattled Apatzingan, is site to multipronged conflict among Los Cabelleros Templarios, rival groups of autodefensas, the Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación, and the state.[xix]
The rise of the narco-state (‘narco estado’) is feared by many observers of the drug cartel war and its violence. For example in Narco Estado, photographer Teun Voeten looks at the violence and their state transforming potential (Voeten, 2012). For Voeten the narco-state entails “the erosion of civil society and its gradual takeover by organized crime, the nascency of a new class of excluded and disposable people that choose a criminal career that ends in certain death, the devaluation of human life. All these elements present a nightmarish scenario of how our future could look like. The worst we can do is to close our eyes and ignore these developments.”[xx] The narco estado is exemplified for Voeten by the images of Ciudad Juárez and Culiacán, narco-cities where drug barons, their serfs—the sicarios—and their victims exemplify a new life a narcocultura (Sullivan, 2012b) where violence and the illicit economy punctuated by fear and terror reign.
Quote: (07-07-2018 08:57 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:
And when I said that NAFTA hurt Mexico too I did not mean the GDP. Mexico profited greatly from the treason of American politicians, but I would say that it hurt the 80%. How many Mexicans had moved since the 1990s to the US?
Hasn't Acapulco been still a wonderful holiday resort in 1990?
What has happened that created such a destructive force in Mexico?
NAFTA brought far more money to the ruling elite, the globalist elite and some factory workers as well as educated classes. But it cost the rural population and small businesses heavily. One side of trade unions is that you cannot open your country to a much bigger more efficient one. That is why China does not have a trade union with the US - it has advantageous trade deals and opens only what it wants.
Thus Mexico was in a strange situation of rising GDP while the lower 50% got poorer being wiped out by the bigger US market (that includes agricultural imports).
I doubt that the problems will be solved. The US will rather look more like a better working Mexico than the reverse.
Quote: (07-24-2018 04:12 AM)thebassist Wrote:
I'd say the Mexican obesity and health crisis is also very likely a direct result of cheap, American soft drinks and unhealthy trash flooding the country through Nafta, which was no doubt the result of lobbying by big American business cartels. The huge and massively subsidized american corn industry would have no doubt invested significant amounts of money into their lobbying efforts in order to obtain unrestricted access to another market to addict to and poison with high-fructose corn syrup.
I remember a Mexican buddy of mine describing how for some poor families, their food supplies for the week would be essentially a stack of tortillas, beans, and a number of large bottles of coke, that's it. Truly disgusting and sad.