[Traktor]

(09-14-2016 05:12 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I could see Trump authoring military action in Venezuela to over throw the communists and then send their oil to the states while rebuilding the country.

Could we see Venezuela as a new American territory?

Fuck Yeah! Nothing like a bit of filibustering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wa...ilibuster)

[Vicious]

(10-21-2016 06:56 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Russia would most likely sit back in its seat to consume popcorn. They got out of the business of materially helping shitpile tropical countries a long time ago. China cannot reasonably intervene in Venezuela any more than Japan could even practically invade California. They've got plenty of resources to exploit either on their doorsteps or in their own countries and would welcome the US driving up its debts even further in another pointless war.

War? If the US stepped in they'd be welcomed with open arms.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm not sure you understand how much the USFedGov is despised in South America and indeed in most of the non-western world.

The second the US/UN arrives in VZ, Maduro trumpets it as proof positive of his claims that the ongoing depression in oil prices is a conspiracy by US puppet regimes to bankrupt the glorious socialist revolution.

Nobody in VZ, hungry or not, is going to throw down socialism and embrace a US occupation. Meanwhile Maduro, like most people's revolutionaries, will make sure that the people of Venezuela die before giving up on their utopia.

[Traktor]

(10-22-2016 09:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not sure you understand how much the USFedGov is despised in South America and indeed in most of the non-western world.

The second the US/UN arrives in VZ, Maduro trumpets it as proof positive of his claims that the ongoing depression in oil prices is a conspiracy by US puppet regimes to bankrupt the glorious socialist revolution.

Nobody in VZ, hungry or not, is going to throw down socialism and embrace a US occupation. Meanwhile Maduro, like most people's revolutionaries, will make sure that the people of Venezuela die before giving up on their utopia.

Hit it in one Lenny.

This is not Nicaragua in the 1850s nor Dominican Republic 1965. There wont be any US invasions of sovereign, independent LA states for a number of reasons. First off, any direct invasion would be a gross violation of international law and be seen as an outright act of aggression. And second, many LA states would turn to Russia and China for help and who would blame them. These days, the gangbangers in the Pentagon are more nuanced when it comes to regime change. They either arm proxies as seen in Ukraine and Syria or get the local elites to do their dirty work as what we saw in Honduras in 2009.

Donald Trump isn't going to invade anyone, arm fascist proxies or blow up the world. Our latter day William Walker, one Hillary Rodham Clinton could very well do so.

That prospect scares the shit out of a lot of people.

[Latinopan]

(10-22-2016 10:28 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 09:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not sure you understand how much the USFedGov is despised in South America and indeed in most of the non-western world.

The second the US/UN arrives in VZ, Maduro trumpets it as proof positive of his claims that the ongoing depression in oil prices is a conspiracy by US puppet regimes to bankrupt the glorious socialist revolution.

Nobody in VZ, hungry or not, is going to throw down socialism and embrace a US occupation. Meanwhile Maduro, like most people's revolutionaries, will make sure that the people of Venezuela die before giving up on their utopia.

Hit it in one Lenny.

This is not Nicaragua in the 1850s nor Dominican Republic 1965. There wont be any US invasions of sovereign, independent LA states for a number of reasons. First off, any direct invasion would be a gross violation of international law and be seen as an outright act of aggression. And second, many LA states would turn to Russia and China for help and who would blame them. These days, the gangbangers in the Pentagon are more nuanced when it comes to regime change. They either arm proxies as seen in Ukraine and Syria or get the local elites to do their dirty work as what we saw in Honduras in 2009.

Donald Trump isn't going to invade anyone, arm fascist proxies or blow up the world. Our latter day William Walker, one Hillary Rodham Clinton could very well do so.

That prospect scares the shit out of a lot of people.

While I agree with you Trump wont invade any country especially a LA country, there is not way Russia or China will be able to help any of them, in not way Trump USA will allow any military innervation from any of these countries into close missile distance of the USA, I already said, in order to get access to Venezuela you need to be in the Caribbean Sea, China or Russia ever try to to get into there the s*** will hit the fan.

[Going strong]

Venezuela is a very special case indeed. A very low-hanging fruit. With so much oil available for anyone to take it, and a perfectly good, sound excuse (getting rid of a crazed dictator who starves his people), any US president should consider a quick, 24 hours, decisive military action. Guarantee no military loss: there is no functional army or even State down there... and, who would protest? (almost) nobody in the world media, (almost) nobody in Venezuela... Excuse being: "we're moving in to save starving people from dying at the hand of a clinically-mad, bird-talker dictator"...

As to the old-school CCCP militants who defend Maduro, they are purposefully blind to the extreme anti-White racism of Maduro: sad. How can Slavic people not notice that 100% of political prisoners in Venezuela are White? No solidarity here... I compare EE communists with old wealthy Westerners from the provinces: living in White enclaves, but pretending to be open-minded and race-blind... sure.

That's the trouble with CCCP communists: even though they live in 100% White countries, they deny the racial facts and tensions of the world. They are stuck in old times when Communism would join all races together under one red flag, lol, as if it would ever have been possible.

By the way, Cuba is very different from Venezuela: no military intervention is possible or should be undertaken towards Cuba.

Because Cuba, if the USA intervenes, there would be a catastrophic sudden migration towards Florida (whereas Venezuela is too far for such a migration scenario). Unthinkable, have mercy for Florida. So, Cuba has to remain in its current, stable, communist State. (Until it evolves the way it will evolve, through demographics change...)

[Going strong]

(10-22-2016 09:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not sure you understand how much the USFedGov is despised in South America and indeed in most of the non-western world.

The second the US/UN arrives in VZ, Maduro trumpets it as proof positive of his claims that the ongoing depression in oil prices is a conspiracy by US puppet regimes to bankrupt the glorious socialist revolution.

Nobody in VZ, hungry or not, is going to throw down socialism and embrace a US occupation. Meanwhile Maduro, like most people's revolutionaries, will make sure that the people of Venezuela die before giving up on their utopia.

Your analysis, my friend, lacks the most important aspect regarding today's Venezuela: its ethnic component.

"Afro-Caribbean" (-identifying) Venezuelans support Maduro and use communism as a rallying flag, without actually understanding what marxism means.

Indigenous or "White-latino" (-identifying) Venezuelans try to get rid of Maduro, his red-shirt muggers, and communism, for their own group and personal survival.

In the 21st century, it's totally blue-pill to try to understand South-American politics without factoring in the ethnic facts and geographical and societal divisions (think Brazil here, especially, but most other SA countries too). Just look at the current ethnic separation of the different groups living on the continent, each group voting for its own candidate. Generally speaking, identities explain politics in SA...

[Latinopan]

I see more and more civilians revolt across Venezuela more and more in the future, Venezuela military is just weak and is mostly gangs with uniform, there is one thing that predict civilians revolts, hunger, once people are hungry in masses then people become aggressive.

I saw a Venezuelan farm guy who got his rifle confiscate, a rifle he used to hunt pigeon to eat, once people cannot meet a basic need as feeding themselves then people simple have nothing to lose.

[Going strong]

By the way, the Right just won in Chile... we are witnessing an almost total re-alignment of South America to the Right: Argentine, Brazil, Paraguay, the European PKK president in Peru, now Chile: Conservative European-descendants and mestizos are fighting back, much respect!

[beta_plus]

Thank God for fracking.

We don't need their or the Gulf States' oil anymore.

[nomadbrah]

(10-23-2016 09:46 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 09:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not sure you understand how much the USFedGov is despised in South America and indeed in most of the non-western world.

The second the US/UN arrives in VZ, Maduro trumpets it as proof positive of his claims that the ongoing depression in oil prices is a conspiracy by US puppet regimes to bankrupt the glorious socialist revolution.

Nobody in VZ, hungry or not, is going to throw down socialism and embrace a US occupation. Meanwhile Maduro, like most people's revolutionaries, will make sure that the people of Venezuela die before giving up on their utopia.

Your analysis, my friend, lacks the most important aspect regarding today's Venezuela: its ethnic component.

"Afro-Caribbean" (-identifying) Venezuelans support Maduro and use communism as a rallying flag, without actually understanding what marxism means.

Indigenous or "White-latino" (-identifying) Venezuelans try to get rid of Maduro, his red-shirt muggers, and communism, for their own group and personal survival.

In the 21st century, it's totally blue-pill to try to understand South-American politics without factoring in the ethnic facts and geographical and societal divisions (think Brazil here, especially, but most other SA countries too). Just look at the current ethnic separation of the different groups living on the continent, each group voting for its own candidate. Generally speaking, identities explain politics in SA...

In the not so far off Overton Window, intervening to save white minorities in places like Venezuela and South Africa, will be seen as just. All it takes is to allow whites the same rights for self preservation and humanity as everyone else.

There is a genocide against white South Africans and the country is basically teethering on becoming a failed state. It is already a failed state of course, but the Apartheid built infrastructure keeps it just afloat of total anarchy. In 10-15 years though, all excuses will fail for why SA will be a complete bloody mess of murder and civil war. There will not be a single excuse left.

It would be very wise to retkae South Africa too to stop the Chinese takeover of Africa. Haiti is another country in which you have to ask yourself how long you will witness total anarchy and breakdown before you step in.

[Paracelsus]

(10-23-2016 11:26 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

It would be very wise to retkae South Africa too to stop the Chinese takeover of Africa. Haiti is another country in which you have to ask yourself how long you will witness total anarchy and breakdown before you step in.

A Chinese "takeover" of Africa would be hilarious to watch, even more popcorn-worthy than a US intervention in Venezuela.

Seriously. The British, the French, and even the fucking Belgians got out of Africa for a good reason: it's too fucking expensive to run colonies that don't give you back a massive return for your efforts.

I recently read Niall Ferguson's Empire which covers this subject. (Ferguson is basically a summariser of history, but it's a wonderful look at roughly 600 years of English history, in which he makes the case for the British Empire essentially creating the modern world.)

He goes into some detail about how the British worked pretty damn hard trying to exploit Africa, but eventually they left, too, simply because fighting two world wars had drained their resources completely and what Africa was producing simply was not worth the trouble.

China has no subsantive experience at militarily intervening anywhere off its own landmass. It also doesn't have sufficient control of the seas between it and Africa to do so. It hasn't even got enough naval power to bully a bunch of third-rate Asian countries into handing over the Spratleys, it has to resort to hilarious spectacles of dumping thousands of tons of sand in the South China Sea instead. Therefore they won't directly intervene in Africa.

Rather, they'll do what most Western powers have wisely done ever since they got out of the Benighted Continent: finance Africans' stupid, pointless, tribal civil wars and allow the Africans to exploit themselves for the sniff of a few renmibi.

[Foolsgo1d]

[off topic]

China is trying to do in 10-20 years what the British Empire did over centuries and the American empire since the 1940s and there was nothing holding them back.

That new island is massive and is a genuine threat. You might question their inexperience but they have many bodies to throw into the fight and plenty of weapons. China has only ever been held back by its own willingness to keep to itself but not any more and we need to adjust to the new reality.

[I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE]

(10-23-2016 11:37 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 11:26 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

It would be very wise to retkae South Africa too to stop the Chinese takeover of Africa. Haiti is another country in which you have to ask yourself how long you will witness total anarchy and breakdown before you step in.

A Chinese "takeover" of Africa would be hilarious to watch, even more popcorn-worthy than a US intervention in Venezuela.

Seriously. The British, the French, and even the fucking Belgians got out of Africa for a good reason: it's too fucking expensive to run colonies that don't give you back a massive return for your efforts.

I recently read Niall Ferguson's Empire which covers this subject. (Ferguson is basically a summariser of history, but it's a wonderful look at roughly 600 years of English history, in which he makes the case for the British Empire essentially creating the modern world.)

He goes into some detail about how the British worked pretty damn hard trying to exploit Africa, but eventually they left, too, simply because fighting two world wars had drained their resources completely and what Africa was producing simply was not worth the trouble.

China has no subsantive experience at militarily intervening anywhere off its own landmass. It also doesn't have sufficient control of the seas between it and Africa to do so. It hasn't even got enough naval power to bully a bunch of third-rate Asian countries into handing over the Spratleys, it has to resort to hilarious spectacles of dumping thousands of tons of sand in the South China Sea instead. Therefore they won't directly intervene in Africa.

Rather, they'll do what most Western powers have wisely done ever since they got out of the Benighted Continent: finance Africans' stupid, pointless, tribal civil wars and allow the Africans to exploit themselves for the sniff of a few renmibi.

I don't think you have been following recent economic events bro... no one was talking about China invading Africa by force. It's not even a future prospect, it already IS happening right now. China is basically colonizing Africa. Too many Chinese on that relatively small landmass in Asia, too many men for too few women, the Chinese are already buying up land in huge chunks and building up apartment complexes to resettle and repopulate their own people into Africa. The Africans stand there defenseless because they actually want the infrastructure and no matter how corrupt and eager to get bribed African politicians are, the Chinese are 10x wilier and also very well versed in the bribery trade. And the Chinese have the added bonus of not being burdened by any kind of white guilt or political correctness.

It's not even just idle speculation, it has and is continuing to happen. China will colonize Africa and funny enough, it'll be a step up for many Chinese because their country isn't exactly known to be to hospitable.

http://qz.com/217597/how-a-million-chine...in-africa/

[nomadbrah]

The Chinese don't even hire Africans, not good enough workforce, they bring their own.

Pure resource extraction, money right to the warlord that controls the area.

[spokepoker]

I think we should be offering stars on our flag. Basically just offer USA statesmanship to countries that want a system such as ours, the caveat being their government structure is stripped down and restructured to integrate into the US. No need to build a wall if mexico is the 54th state.

[Going strong]

(10-24-2016 02:45 PM)I DIDNT KILL MY WIFE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 11:37 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 11:26 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

It would be very wise to retkae South Africa too to stop the Chinese takeover of Africa. Haiti is another country in which you have to ask yourself how long you will witness total anarchy and breakdown before you step in.

A Chinese "takeover" of Africa would be hilarious to watch, even more popcorn-worthy than a US intervention in Venezuela.

Seriously. The British, the French, and even the fucking Belgians got out of Africa for a good reason: it's too fucking expensive to run colonies that don't give you back a massive return for your efforts.

I recently read Niall Ferguson's Empire which covers this subject. (Ferguson is basically a summariser of history, but it's a wonderful look at roughly 600 years of English history, in which he makes the case for the British Empire essentially creating the modern world.)

He goes into some detail about how the British worked pretty damn hard trying to exploit Africa, but eventually they left, too, simply because fighting two world wars had drained their resources completely and what Africa was producing simply was not worth the trouble.

China has no subsantive experience at militarily intervening anywhere off its own landmass. It also doesn't have sufficient control of the seas between it and Africa to do so. It hasn't even got enough naval power to bully a bunch of third-rate Asian countries into handing over the Spratleys, it has to resort to hilarious spectacles of dumping thousands of tons of sand in the South China Sea instead. Therefore they won't directly intervene in Africa.

Rather, they'll do what most Western powers have wisely done ever since they got out of the Benighted Continent: finance Africans' stupid, pointless, tribal civil wars and allow the Africans to exploit themselves for the sniff of a few renmibi.

I don't think you have been following recent economic events bro... no one was talking about China invading Africa by force. It's not even a future prospect, it already IS happening right now. China is basically colonizing Africa. Too many Chinese on that relatively small landmass in Asia, too many men for too few women, the Chinese are already buying up land in huge chunks and building up apartment complexes to resettle and repopulate their own people into Africa. The Africans stand there defenseless because they actually want the infrastructure and no matter how corrupt and eager to get bribed African politicians are, the Chinese are 10x wilier and also very well versed in the bribery trade. And the Chinese have the added bonus of not being burdened by any kind of white guilt or political correctness.

It's not even just idle speculation, it has and is continuing to happen. China will colonize Africa and funny enough, it'll be a step up for many Chinese because their country isn't exactly known to be to hospitable.

http://qz.com/217597/how-a-million-chine...in-africa/

Except China might find itself colonized by Africa, one hundred years after Europe will be, meaning circa 2130. Unless China understands when and how to disengage from Africa.

In any case, History books are very shy about the Africans that China used to import as slaves (castrating them to be sure not to endanger their own Chinese "blood") 3 centuries ago...

"Black slaves were just one of many commodities in the Arabs' large-scale maritime trade with China, which peaked during the Tang and Song dynasty (960-1275).

The Jiu Tang shu mentions that the Arabs sent delegates to the Chinese court in 651, marking the first recorded official contact between the Chinese government and the Arab caliphate. By the ninth century, a sizable community of Arabs lived in Guangzhou, and the local residents could have seen African slaves on trading ships and in Arab homes. Some wealthy Chinese people even owned African slaves, whom they used as doorkeepers."

[Bravo Zulu]

Think of the U.S. going into Cuba in the 70´s and that is what it would be like going into Venezuela now. They have set a serious defense with help of the Cubans, Russians, Chinese and from the Iranians over the past decade+ with the likes of vast amounts of snipers rifles and other counter-insurgency measures with their Colectivos and UBT´s. They have been greatly influenced by the Iranian Basij and Cuban experience. These numerous groups are formed from tens of thousands of citizens in barrios in most cities across the entire nation to include islands that are like independent mercenary militias loyal to the government that are armed with not only automatic weapons, but heavy weapons to include anti-tank to anti-air. They can be used as a counter-balance in the event of a military coup. They are separate from the militia which can also be used as a counterbalance to the traditional F.A.N.B. It would turn into Lebanon in the 80´s.

Thinking that it would be Venezuela´s outdated MIG´s, frigates and armor vs. a modern mechanized U.S. Air Force, Navy/Marine Corps and Army is off base. Within a few hours the Guri dam providing almost 70% of the nation´s power, main water sources, main bridges which provide overland transport for basic sustenance and key infrastructure could be easily wiped out by an OPFOR, but then the population would turn pro-government like in the late 1990´s because their life would be even more miserable and the number of men in the militia units would swell. More refugees would leave the country for places like the Brazilian border, but the vast majority will stay. To physically repair these structures would take Venezuelans numerous years and probably decades due to their nominal civil engineering capability level which includes manpower, machines and material availability.

It would be a low intensity conflict and it would be a mess as well as a P.R. debacle for the U.S.

Venezuela does not formally accept international aid and formally pushes such organizations out as the their military, including the intelligence arm, has been heavily staffed with loyal Cuban nationals for the past two decades who are throughout the officer corps in the FANB and in strategic positions. Maduro spent a lot of time in Cuba during the 1980´s. It was not an accident that he was a bus driver chosen to be Vice-President of a nation that sent Cuba billions of dollars of Venezuelan oil money, not to mention oil. Venezuela was the 18th largest importer of weapons in the world due largely to their oil revenues. Thinking of Venezuela in terms of a PwrIndx is short sighted as they have specifically geared up and set up for a guerilla fight against a non-South American aggressor who is supported by other South American nations. Other South American nations have a more balanced geographical approach and set up against other South American nations.

The U.S. does not want another Cuba in the hemisphere for the next half of a century considering all of the mineral wealth and business opportunities that exist. The U.S. and Venezuelan governments have had numerous deals going on under the table since Chavez took power, no matter the façade in the press. The whole continent is shifting to the right, Venezuela is just lagging a decade or two behind the rest of South America.

[Latinopan]

If you want to see the difference in the social class, Miss Venezuela 2015 Mariam Habach constantly post pictures on her Instagram with location tags on, they are all in Venezuela and I see they are in a particular part of the country, this is the upper class enjoin a better good life.

https://www.instagram.com/mariamhabach/

These people live in complete different world compare to the rest of Venezuelans.

[Cattle Rustler]

I'm not sure what GoingStrong is at this point:

Asian, White, White European, Latin American, mestizo or light skinned Latino

Dude sarges in and types as if he knows better than the natives despite just visiting the continent. I need to start making profiles or charts on you guys . For a moment I thought he was chochemonger.

[Paracelsus]

(10-24-2016 02:45 PM)I DIDNT KILL MY WIFE Wrote:  

I don't think you have been following recent economic events bro... no one was talking about China invading Africa by force. It's not even a future prospect, it already IS happening right now. China is basically colonizing Africa. Too many Chinese on that relatively small landmass in Asia, too many men for too few women, the Chinese are already buying up land in huge chunks and building up apartment complexes to resettle and repopulate their own people into Africa. The Africans stand there defenseless because they actually want the infrastructure and no matter how corrupt and eager to get bribed African politicians are, the Chinese are 10x wilier and also very well versed in the bribery trade. And the Chinese have the added bonus of not being burdened by any kind of white guilt or political correctness.

In which case I'd say they're essentially sitting in the same position as white settlers after the colonial militaries pulled out: there so long as a large segment of the local population don't see them as the cause of their self-imposed poverty and start killing them en masse. Also see: Zimbabwe under Mugabe. Also also see: the general position of whites in South Africa after apartheid was dismantled and they handed over control of the government and military to the majority black population. There's a million Chinese in Africa? Big deal, the whole continent's population is 1.2 billion or so, and I'm pretty sure that's all black.

I had a look into the article. It's interesting, but even in that article you can see the makings of a Chinese genocide on that continent:

Quote:

In the gold-producing regions of southern Ghana, government officials were expelling Chinese wildcat miners. And in Zambia, where recent Chinese arrivals had established themselves in almost every lucrative sector of the economy, their presence had become a contentious issue in national elections.

...

Hao had scored big, but before long there were other things to worry about. He hadn’t thought much about the people who lived on the land or controlled it before he came along,or even who his neighbors were. After a period of warm enough hospitality, people from nearby villages began to ask him how he had gotten the land and to demand compensation,with some of them, claiming the area was an ancestral holding.

“The local people are really not friendly. They arc peasants, and they resent the idea that the government took their land and gave it to us. They have no land for themselves. They’re not comfortable. They are working for us, and they are not comfortable with it. In fact, the Mozambique government has given us land, but it’s not forever. After a few years, once we’ve put the land to good use, perhaps they will take another tack and try to reclaim it from us. But we’ve got our own ideas. We’re also making plans.”

I grant you that last sentence - that the Chinese are "making plans" - but these guys are not Boers. The Boers survived largely because the Dutch had a colony and a military to protect it. Doubtful whether the same structure would be coming from China.

Quote:

Hao told me his older son already had a live-in African girlfriend. Then he proceeded to answer his own question. “The mothers are Mozambicans, but the land will be within our family. Do you get it! This means that because the children will be Mozambicans they can’t treat us as foreigners. If need be we can even put the property in their name, protectively, but it will remain ours. It will be in my clan.”

Interesting theory. Too bad Africans can be just as bloody and genocidal on a tribal basis, as Rwanda demonstrates. Having a caramel baby isn't going to stop him from being machete'd to death, if anything it'll make the rape packs' jobs even easier. No, I still think any permanent Chinese presence on the African continent is going to require a serious and continuing Chinese military presence. Anything less is just waiting for a local Africa sub-100 IQ warlord to think he's got the infrastructure he needs and now he wants the Chinese land and money back, too.

[Going strong]

(10-25-2016 12:37 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I'm not sure what GoingStrong is at this point:

Asian, White, White European, Latin American, mestizo or light skinned Latino

Dude sarges in and types as if he knows better than the natives despite just visiting the continent. I need to start making profiles or charts on you guys . For a moment I thought he was chochemonger.

I'm not sure what GoingStrong is at this point:
Asian, White, White European, Latin American, mestizo or light skinned Latino:

Wait brother, are you calling me the new Rachel Dolezal?



Dude sarges in and types as if he knows better than the natives despite just visiting the continent:

I am no visitor, I lived many years in various South American countries.

[I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE]

(10-25-2016 03:43 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 02:45 PM)I DIDNT KILL MY WIFE Wrote:  

I don't think you have been following recent economic events bro... no one was talking about China invading Africa by force. It's not even a future prospect, it already IS happening right now. China is basically colonizing Africa. Too many Chinese on that relatively small landmass in Asia, too many men for too few women, the Chinese are already buying up land in huge chunks and building up apartment complexes to resettle and repopulate their own people into Africa. The Africans stand there defenseless because they actually want the infrastructure and no matter how corrupt and eager to get bribed African politicians are, the Chinese are 10x wilier and also very well versed in the bribery trade. And the Chinese have the added bonus of not being burdened by any kind of white guilt or political correctness.

In which case I'd say they're essentially sitting in the same position as white settlers after the colonial militaries pulled out: there so long as a large segment of the local population don't see them as the cause of their self-imposed poverty and start killing them en masse. Also see: Zimbabwe under Mugabe. Also also see: the general position of whites in South Africa after apartheid was dismantled and they handed over control of the government and military to the majority black population. There's a million Chinese in Africa? Big deal, the whole continent's population is 1.2 billion or so, and I'm pretty sure that's all black.

I had a look into the article. It's interesting, but even in that article you can see the makings of a Chinese genocide on that continent:

Quote:

In the gold-producing regions of southern Ghana, government officials were expelling Chinese wildcat miners. And in Zambia, where recent Chinese arrivals had established themselves in almost every lucrative sector of the economy, their presence had become a contentious issue in national elections.

...

Hao had scored big, but before long there were other things to worry about. He hadn’t thought much about the people who lived on the land or controlled it before he came along,or even who his neighbors were. After a period of warm enough hospitality, people from nearby villages began to ask him how he had gotten the land and to demand compensation,with some of them, claiming the area was an ancestral holding.

“The local people are really not friendly. They arc peasants, and they resent the idea that the government took their land and gave it to us. They have no land for themselves. They’re not comfortable. They are working for us, and they are not comfortable with it. In fact, the Mozambique government has given us land, but it’s not forever. After a few years, once we’ve put the land to good use, perhaps they will take another tack and try to reclaim it from us. But we’ve got our own ideas. We’re also making plans.”

I grant you that last sentence - that the Chinese are "making plans" - but these guys are not Boers. The Boers survived largely because the Dutch had a colony and a military to protect it. Doubtful whether the same structure would be coming from China.

Quote:

Hao told me his older son already had a live-in African girlfriend. Then he proceeded to answer his own question. “The mothers are Mozambicans, but the land will be within our family. Do you get it! This means that because the children will be Mozambicans they can’t treat us as foreigners. If need be we can even put the property in their name, protectively, but it will remain ours. It will be in my clan.”

Interesting theory. Too bad Africans can be just as bloody and genocidal on a tribal basis, as Rwanda demonstrates. Having a caramel baby isn't going to stop him from being machete'd to death, if anything it'll make the rape packs' jobs even easier. No, I still think any permanent Chinese presence on the African continent is going to require a serious and continuing Chinese military presence. Anything less is just waiting for a local Africa sub-100 IQ warlord to think he's got the infrastructure he needs and now he wants the Chinese land and money back, too.

The difference between white and Chinese colonists is that Europeans were always, to a certain extent, guided by the altruistic belief of the noble savage and wanted to educate and uplift the Africans. For as hard as the European colonists were because of simple reality of the ground, they were still soft in regards to the yearning hope that if only, IF ONLY they can find just that right type of education or schooling or social policy, they can change the Africans.

The Chinese have no such rosy optimism whatsoever. Never had it. Whenever China conquered or colonized something, they were perfectly content to work for their own citizens and to exploit the local conquered population. Schooling and education? Haha maybe only vocational education on how to use tools so they can use the Africans as a labor force.

The Chinese are equally as tribal and also without scruples in business dealings. They all grow up in a low trust society like the Africans, they're used to it and its realities. They're also quite eager to resettle from their crowded country to newer lands, and they have a very pragmatic notion of family: it's not about love and fuzzy feelings, but all about the continuation of the family, building networks all over the world using their kids (see all the Chinese sending their kids to prestigious foreign universities to get a "hook" into that country via their kid). They are a fitting colonist for Africa.

[Traktor]

(10-23-2016 10:29 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

By the way, the Right just won in Chile... we are witnessing an almost total re-alignment of South America to the Right: Argentine, Brazil, Paraguay, the European PKK president in Peru, now Chile: Conservative European-descendants and mestizos are fighting back, much respect!

That is good news for the neo-liberal/neo con establishment in the US, not so good for Russia in geo-political terms or for the indigenous populations of these countries. Brazil was a stiched up coup no matter what way you look at it. The guy who orchestrated it was at the centre of corruption investigation who on toppling Rousseff, promptly got the judiciary to suspend the inquiry on himself.

The Right's record in LA is far from stellar and a million times worse than anything the Left has managed. However thankfully, we still have guys like Evo Morales who unlike the corrupt kleptocrats, puts his people's interest first. He is also aligning Bolivia towards Russia so a US under Killary will make Bolivia a prime target for regime change.

In 2013, he told Obama to get fucked - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-22371275

Much respect!

[Phoenix]

(10-25-2016 12:17 PM)Traktor Wrote:  

The Right's record in LA is far from stellar and a million times worse than anything the Left has managed.

Nope, that's just your far left bias showing. Show us an example of the Right in Latin America having done a million times worse than the Left.