[Rossi]

(06-07-2018 06:54 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

If you check the menu and it says 13 Euros in writing, then how do they later claim that the price is actually 30 Euros?

WTF. Now I am in the mood for a mango mojito.

Very easy. Multiple ways.

They can say, it's outdated menu, happy hour price or even they can write prices in written, not 13 euro but thirteen euro. After all, you're in foreign country where you don't speak the native language and you don't really know anyone. %90 of the time, cops won't be on your side because they're also getting their cut from that bar/restaurant too.

I mean, you're talking like you are in a country where law applies. When bartender gives you €200 bill for 4 beers and if time is 11 pm, you have 2 bodyguards in front of the door, you just pay up instead of arguing usually. These kind of bars are not in center usually, they're either bars in basement or somewhere quiet.

I mean, I've seen some Italian bars charging €500 to Japanese tourists in Venice for few drinks.

[Vincent Chase]

I had this sort of shit being attempted on me as well.

First night met a 19 year old nearby the hotel. An ugly friend showed up with her fron Tinder. I asked her why is her friend joining us, she said “only for 30 minutes”. I walked off straight away.

Met another girl the next night from tinder. I fucked up here as she chose the bar, I knew it could be a scam I literally checked everything ordered from the menu and asked for the bill every second, after the second drink it was a yes or no from her to go somewhere else. I even took a video of her as evidence just in case. She didn’t seem to mind at all. She insisted on champagne there. Clearly a scam. So I literally told her you are a scammer and walked off. Damage about 80 dollars for four/five cocktails and shisha. Only hate myself for going through that experience when it was so obvious. The bar staff where actually very friendly and appeared normal guess all part of the act.

[PixelFree]

(06-07-2018 06:54 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

If you check the menu and it says 13 Euros in writing, then how do they later claim that the price is actually 30 Euros?

I've seen some bars that have two menus, the second one they bring out has the decimal place in a different position.

All of a sudden your 50.0 drinks are 500 and so on.

[for.petes.sake]

Thread title would make a sick band name

[Vincent Chase]

(06-06-2018 06:32 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

Pay with credit card, go home, call CC company and dispute charge and report fraud.

Just don't sign or scribble so they cant tell

not sure how legal this is tho lol

They try to work around that now. The scam bar I went to didn’t accept cards and only cash or a “money transfer” whatever the fuck that is I assume a bank transfer. (You’d have to be crazy to do a bank transfer in a bar.) As such you have no option for ever getting your money back. At one point I said I didn’t have any more cash and the girl said I can do a bank transfer. Told her I’m not retarded. She said she can pay for the drinks herself, of course she didn’t and would have no doubt made me foot the bill for the next round anyway.

They also push you to play music you like assumingly then asking you to pay per song when you get the bill. The girl will keep ordering shit as much as she can drinks, food, shisha and will try to get you drunk and go for the more expensive items like a bottle of champagne and fuck knows what else.

She would initially tell you you’re meeting outside her place but she’s really just walking over two minutes from the bar where she’s working for the night along with 3-4 other wastes of human flesh who will jump at any foreigner on Tinder. Many of them barely even speak a word of English.

It’s what’s called a “legitimate” bar scam, i.e. bar appears completely normal, even the bartenders do one was a young guy and another a reasonable looking woman, then there was a manager who was clearly full of shit and a bouncer guy sitting near the entrance. They make it half legitimate so it won’t get shut down, high prices but you’re not paying 500 dollars unless you start ordering champagne and shit. For my own safety I was taking pictures and videos at the bar and including of the girl, bartender and bouncer and they didn’t seem to mind if anything they were happy to indulge.

[Vincent Chase]

(06-06-2018 06:32 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

Pay with credit card, go home, call CC company and dispute charge and report fraud.

Just don't sign or scribble so they cant tell

not sure how legal this is tho lol

They try to work around that now. The scam bar I went to didn’t accept cards and only cash or a “money transfer” whatever the fuck that is I assume a bank transfer. (You’d have to be crazy to do a bank transfer in a bar.) As such you have no option for ever getting your money back. At one point I said I didn’t have any more cash and the girl said I can do a bank transfer. Told her I’m not retarded. She said she can pay for the drinks herself, of course she didn’t and would have no doubt made me foot the bill for the next round anyway.

They also push you to play music you like assumingly then asking you to pay per song when you get the bill. The girl will keep ordering shit as much as she can drinks, food, shisha and will try to get you drunk and go for the more expensive items like a bottle of champagne and fuck knows what else.

She would initially tell you you’re meeting outside her place but she’s really just walking over two minutes from the bar where she’s working for the night along with 3-4 other wastes of human flesh who will jump at any foreigner on Tinder. Many of them barely even speak a word of English.

It’s what’s called a “legitimate” bar scam, i.e. bar appears completely normal, even the bartenders do one was a young guy and another a reasonable looking woman, then there was a manager who was clearly full of shit and a bouncer guy sitting near the entrance. They make it half legitimate so it won’t get shut down, high prices but you’re not paying 500 dollars unless you start ordering champagne and shit. For my own safety I was taking pictures and videos at the bar and including of the girl, bartender and bouncer and they didn’t seem to mind if anything they were happy to indulge.

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

I saw this multiple times in Old Town Bucharest (don't ever go there by the way) last summer.

I tried to tell a drunk American guy who probably thought he had won the lottery when he got the attention from two 7's in the bar and they kept bringing in expensive champagne and all kinds of shit to where they were sitting. This dude tried to kiss one of the girls multiple times but she just turned away and asked the bar for more drinks.

As the dude came out from the toilets I went up to him and told him he was getting scammed and should be aware and then he thanked me and said I was right and unfortunately, he had gotten himself a bit too drunk. Then these two girls screamed "what are you doing??" in bad English and called for the bartenders. Then the bartenders started to scream at me in Romanian and soon two bouncers came and wrestled me out from the place.

As I then stood outside two Romanian guys who had saw what happened came up to me and we started talking. They said this behavior and scam is normal in Romania. Romanians rarely do it to one another but they do it to westerners because they don't value westerners. In their opinion, Americans and other Europeans already have a lot of money so it's fine to scam them.

The East coast (many Hungarians live in the west side and it's significantly better) of Romania is a shit hole filled with people who try to scam you like this just like in Saint Petersburg.

[Freddy_1]

Apart from maybe Moscow, if you are meeting Russian girls just from online you are setting yourself up for failure and probably shouldn't be in Russia in the first place. Russia is not SEA or SA where most guys get their bangs from online.

[BroodingSea]

"3. The I want to buy chocolate scam
Met one girl from night game at Gulliver for lunch. But instead of lunch she told me that she wanted to buy a bit of chocolate instead. We went to a stand where they sold Lviv chocolate. The girl started ordering tons of chocolate and the final bill ended to 900h"

Mate. I must have met the exact same girl. 5'6 thin brunette? Exact same script.

[LINUX]

(02-27-2019 12:08 PM)BroodingSea Wrote:  

"3. The I want to buy chocolate scam
Met one girl from night game at Gulliver for lunch. But instead of lunch she told me that she wanted to buy a bit of chocolate instead. We went to a stand where they sold Lviv chocolate. The girl started ordering tons of chocolate and the final bill ended to 900h"

Mate. I must have met the exact same girl. 5'6 thin brunette? Exact same script.

I don't know much about Russia but I looked up 900 Russian Ruble to get an idea what you guys are talking about and got 17 dollars which doesn't seem unreasonable to me for tons of chocolate. Am I miss something, like a decimal somewhere, because most men pay that in the states for two drinks at a bar.

[BroodingSea]

Happens within 5 minutes of stepping into Gulliver mate. I mean 17 dollars for chocolate. Proper piss take.

[LeBaron]

(02-27-2019 12:21 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 12:08 PM)BroodingSea Wrote:  

"3. The I want to buy chocolate scam
Met one girl from night game at Gulliver for lunch. But instead of lunch she told me that she wanted to buy a bit of chocolate instead. We went to a stand where they sold Lviv chocolate. The girl started ordering tons of chocolate and the final bill ended to 900h"

Mate. I must have met the exact same girl. 5'6 thin brunette? Exact same script.

I don't know much about Russia but I looked up 900 Russian Ruble to get an idea what you guys are talking about and got 17 dollars which doesn't seem unreasonable to me for tons of chocolate. Am I miss something, like a decimal somewhere, because most men pay that in the states for two drinks at a bar.

He didn't mentionned it but Gulliver is in Kiev in Ukraine 900h is about 33 dollars.

with 33 dollars in Ukraine you can buy a hell lot of chocolates.
900h is more than 2 days wages of a young girl in Kiev if she even work wich most of them don't.

[BroodingSea]

Yep. We both got Gamed mate. Or at least I did. I bought her the chocolates. Learnt a lesson.

[Beirut]

Again its important to make a distinction between a girl using you for buying her stuff and a scam.

A scam is when the girl and the staff are in agreement and deceive the customer and she gets a cut.

A girl batting her eyelashes at you and getting your horny ass to knowingly buy her stuff isnt a scam.

[Vincent Chase]

(02-27-2019 01:32 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Again its important to make a distinction between a girl using you for buying her stuff and a scam.

A scam is when the girl and the staff are in agreement and deceive the customer and she gets a cut.

A girl batting her eyelashes at you and getting your horny ass to knowingly buy her stuff isnt a scam.

She's clearly in on it otherwise she wouldn't make every guy buy her chocolates in the same place for a ridiculous price.

Most if not all the above are scams where the girl gets a commision.

[superschalk]

(02-27-2019 01:32 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Again its important to make a distinction between a girl using you for buying her stuff and a scam.

A scam is when the girl and the staff are in agreement and deceive the customer and she gets a cut.

A girl batting her eyelashes at you and getting your horny ass to knowingly buy her stuff isnt a scam.

Funny this episode came up again posted this like last year. Yes it happened in Ukraine not in Russia so 900 Hryvna is like 30€ and in Ukraine this is a huge amount for chocolate. I do not mind about the 30€ but since this also happened to another poster I guess the scam goes like this:
Girls buys the chocolate. Eats one bar during the date while telling her date she will eat the rest at home or give it to her mom. After the date is over she goes back to the chocolate stand. Employee from the chocolate stand puts the chocolate back in stock and they both split the profit.

[BroodingSea]

Im in Kiev a few times this summer. I'm going to SET MYSELF up with this chick (again) if I can. Will video record the entire affair and let her rack up 300 quid worth of chocolate. And simply stand there silently smirking.

[zatara]

When she tried to buy 30euro worth of chocolate why didn't you just say 'Eh, no.' and walk away? Thats really as much on you for being fool enough to buy it as her for trying to buy it.

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(02-27-2019 05:48 PM)zatara Wrote:  

When she tried to buy 30euro worth of chocolate why didn't you just say 'Eh, no.' and walk away? Thats really as much on you for being fool enough to buy it as her for trying to buy it.

Cause men think there's still that tiny chance she's not a scam and just might suck your dick if you do. That's why shit like this works.

[BroodingSea]

Because I'm not a computer algorithm and it's rare to go through life without making a couple of silly mistakes, errors in judgement and lapses in behavioural standard.

[The Catalyst]

I'm relatively curious about this scam since I haven't travelled around and they don't really have this in NZ as far as I'm aware.

It seems like the idea is the girls order stuff on your dime and you, unaware, are racking up a high bill. Even if you ask prices or something, they trick you/lie about prices. And security blocks your exit/threatens you, and even local police is often on their side.

The natural question I want to ask is, why do they bother with the dog and pony show? And if they have enough muscle to stop you from leaving, why bother creating a flimsy excuse, why not just shake you down for cash the moment you step into the establishment?

[Tail Gunner]

The first time that I ever heard of this scam, many years ago, it was known as the Riga bar scam. I read a funny article years ago about how the scam was pulled on a detective from the UK who was on vacation. When the detective tried to leave the bar without paying, he got into a fight with several bouncers and absolutely destroyed them. I seem to recall that he even bit off a portion of one of their ears. Because the detective had some clout in his home country, it caused a minor international incident and caused major embarassment to Riga and Latvia. I wish I could locate the news article that I read.

At any rate, Riga now has a special police unit that deals with fraud against tourists:

Quote:

In Latvia the biggest surprise was 10,000 USD for a bottle of cheap champagne. However the bar had a wrong person for the victim – it was an official from one of the embassies in Riga, Latvia…

Tallinn | Riga | Vilnius the scheme was one and the same. Nice looking young ladies with perfect English lured foreigners into the bars. After a few drinks, the unsuspected foreigner was getting a bill for several grands for a few drinks.

Bar – Girls scam was one of the main reason for Riga City Council to create a special unit within the municipal police: Riga Tourist Municipal Police.

”Riga Municipal Police has a specialised Tourist Unit, which ensures public order, as well as provides information to foreign visitors about the opportunity for assistance in case of incidents like theft, lost property and fraud. A 24-hour information Hotline +371 67181818 has been introduced for foreign nationals. Information is provided in Latvian, Russian, and English.”

https://www.balticsecurity.org/bar_girls_scam/

Nonetheless, various forms of the scam are still going on strong, including massive credit card overcharges. It is best to always pay using cash.

https://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/21110/

[zatara]

(02-27-2019 05:52 PM)BroodingSea Wrote:  

Because I'm not a computer algorithm and it's rare to go through life without making a couple of silly mistakes, errors in judgement and lapses in behavioural standard.

I mean, if its a bar and its 1am, and you're drunk, and a girl wants a drink - fair enough, there's reasonable doubt there. I have loads of sympathy for anyone getting conned in these "champagne bars" or whatever. That can happen to anyone.

But not saying no to buying 30euro worth of chocolate, sober, in day time, for a girl on a first date is just a bit laughable. I don't think it requires being a computer algorithm to see spending the equivalent of a day or two in local wages on chocolate as a scam. Gotta give props to the girl for finding a mark I guess.

Its a very funny story at least, that and the life lesson are easily worth the 30euro to you.

[BlackFriar]

I have never been scammed in a bar. But I was at a place many times in Tallinn, Estonia called Par Viene. My Estonian friend said the Estonian girls are starting to try to scam foreign men into buying them drinks at that place. We watched some Estonian girls come in with some guys from New Zealand and they guys were paying for their drinks. My Estonian friend said that this never used to happen in Tallinn. I do not know. This stuff can happen any where.

[JaegerMeester]

(02-27-2019 04:26 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

I saw this multiple times in Old Town Bucharest (don't ever go there by the way) last summer.

I tried to tell a drunk American guy who probably thought he had won the lottery when he got the attention from two 7's in the bar and they kept bringing in expensive champagne and all kinds of shit to where they were sitting. This dude tried to kiss one of the girls multiple times but she just turned away and asked the bar for more drinks.

As the dude came out from the toilets I went up to him and told him he was getting scammed and should be aware and then he thanked me and said I was right and unfortunately, he had gotten himself a bit too drunk. Then these two girls screamed "what are you doing??" in bad English and called for the bartenders. Then the bartenders started to scream at me in Romanian and soon two bouncers came and wrestled me out from the place.

As I then stood outside two Romanian guys who had saw what happened came up to me and we started talking. They said this behavior and scam is normal in Romania. Romanians rarely do it to one another but they do it to westerners because they don't value westerners. In their opinion, Americans and other Europeans already have a lot of money so it's fine to scam them.

The East coast (many Hungarians live in the west side and it's significantly better) of Romania is a shit hole filled with people who try to scam you like this just like in Saint Petersburg.

Yes, this is very common (lived there for 1,5 years; still need to drop a slightly out-of-date datasheet on it). In the old town, for game purposes, there is only Nomad's and Freddo's... slightly high gold digger ratio, but the trick is to get your own bottle for 200-300 lei and have the girls flock to you. Anybody asking you for a drink up front in Romania is at best a gold digger. A lot of the normal bars have hot girls that they pay to be there, and they take a cut from the drinks they make chums buy for them. It is really funny, because a lot of my coworkers or acquaintances would still go to the shoddy old town bars, which I never really understood. Ah well.

As a ps, go to the clubs in the north around Floreasca/Dorobanti. Or E3 if you want a bar. Still a fair amount of gold diggers, but for the quality, one can't do much better in Bucharest.