[Meliorare93]

Why use Spiritual/Religious OS that is more then a millenium old?

Time to embrace a fresher OS! Choices enough... Scientology 1.0 (would not recommend), Satanism 3.0 (embrace your carnal side), Thelema 1.0 (do what thou true will wilt)

Or an old robust OS which hasn't been corrupted by powerhungry people Animism 9.3

[Paracelsus]

Oh, hey, I didn't think it was possible for Hindus pagans to believe in that passe Christian shit that a god could incarnate as a man!

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In medieval Hindu texts from South India, the Sultan of Delhi is sometimes talked about as the incarnation of the god Vishnu.

[Mage]

(04-19-2018 07:00 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 03:34 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Christians always bring up emotional explanations about why is death on cross so important and how much it means to them, because it doesn't make any sense rationally.

People who have been brainwashed by Christianity will always give great meaning to this death on cross thing - but it takes a truly high level of solipsism to be unable to understand that people who haven't undergone these emotional influences have no emotions associated with this stuff and just see it for a dead man hanging on a piece of wood.

Mage, you are absolutely correct. The cross does not make any sense rationally. Paul explicitly wrote as much to the church at Corinth:

1 Corinthians 1:18-25 Wrote:

For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Nothing about the cross makes sense logically. Human wisdom cannot discern the purpose or the necessity of the incarnated God-man voluntarily dying on a cross as a substitutionary atonement for the sins of mankind. But if we can accept that Christ's death on the cross was necessary for whatever reason, then it tells us something very important about the nature of God the Father and his view of sin. Essentially it tells us that fallen man - a creature consumed by sin - is wholly incompatible with the divine nature and essence, and is therefore eternally alienated from God in his natural human state. If man is therefore to be reconciled with God, there must be some way to bridge that gap. Christ was the bridge that God provided - the God-man incarnate, saving men from sin and death by grace through faith and thereby allowing these redeemed men to enter fellowship with the Father.

So no, the cross does not make sense. And that's because you're looking at it from the perspective of a fallen human being who is alienated from God. A man who doesn't even view himself as a sinner obviously feels no need for a savior to redeem him from sin. So the cross is foolishness to him. A stumblingblock. It has been so since the beginning (first and second-century Romans relentlessly mocked the worshippers of the "crucified god") and continues to this day ("lol kike on a stick"). The world is filled with men utterly alienated from God who are completely unaware of the perilous nature of their position, blinded by their pride and trusting fully in their own discernment. If they only humbled themselves and prayed earnestly to be reconciled to God, the Holy Spirit would provide them the spiritual discernment to recognize their sin, which would then make clear their need for a savior.

Scorpion you are correct too. I am glad to speak with someone who apparently a practicing spiritual Christian unlike superficial brutes like Paracelsius from whom the main criteria in a religion is food and permission to eat pork and cow's meat.

You are correct. You must believe you are unrecoverable sinner to believe in Christianity and the need for Savior, because normal methods do not work. Therefore Christianity in my experiance attracts a lot of former alcoholics, drug addicts, clinical psychopaths, former sluts and other type of miserable people. The more a person has sinned in past the more zealos a Christian convert he usually ends up being. The more unable a person is to observe morality on his own, the more he likes the idea of a savior.

I have never been an alcoholic or other kind of addict or an irresponsible person. My sins are small and those that I have can just be corrected with bigger self discipline. People like me are attracted to more esoteric teachings like Yoga or Paganism or Kaballah that teach self-improvement and inner work in stead of relying on some external diety doing all the work for us. The help of God is still there. It's not how Christians like to badmouth other faiths that they don't ask for help from above. But the thing is as we grow our parents expect us to handle more and more problems on our own. Similarly with God - Christianity is for children who need to be spoonfed. Most Christian saints complain about the period of darkness and emptyness that is present at their later years, about losing the feeling of God's help and presence. That is because it is time for them to move on. What they do is insist on continuing their past practices, they think iti is a test that need to be endured, but as the soul grows it needs different kinds of lessons and Christianity just stops after the basic level of civility is achieved.

I believe Christianity is ok for those people who have bad karma and are reincarnated with addictions and low IQ and other problems that make them unable to have disciline and act rationally. Christianity provides that guidiance for these simple souls so they don't ruin their lives.

For people with bigger IQ's, better future orientation, and with more discipline, Christianity becomes too primitive and narrow. When I was a Christian I was a better Christian then almost everyone around, but I saw the dead end of this path and the way how Christian rules became excuses for their stupidity. At some point the relationship with God becomes more personal and vivid to fallow general dogmatic rules meant for the averge Joe. At this point I needed a path that would offer me a more chalenging infine path of self-improvement.

Christianity is ok with dealing with grosss problems like quiting alcoholism, gambling, not stealing, not fornicating and such. But when you reach a higher phase and start to think about such things as how your actions affect environment, your desires, your thoughts, your destiny, moods of other people, your health, raising of your children, proper form of government and so on, it simply is not enough.

[Mage]

(04-19-2018 08:20 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Also, no steak in Hinduism paganism. They will literally fuck your shit up for eating cow meat. At least Christians only get frowny faces about having a good old medium rare on Fridays in Lent, and they don't go so far as to barbecue you as opposed to barbecuing the meat.

I see that eating steak is among the most important things in a faith for you, Paracelsus. You have chosen your religion with your stomach.

As for those ugly picks about India. There are slums in every country. India is currently one of the fastest growing economies and situation is rapidly improving. India puts a lot of effort in green energy. India is a Nuclear country oe of the few in the world.

India is very overpopulated, which means that family values are strong. It is hard to maintain a large and growing population without compromizing cleannes and avoiding pollution. What Muslims would have done long ago in this situation would be to invade neighbours. Christian Germans also did the same and the result was Nazism. Indians don't attack anybody despite having a large population and nuclear weapons. They get educated and travel abroad legally and peacefully and do hard work in scientific fields that christians and atheists are getting lazy to do.

Hindu's are nationalistic and despise Muslims unlike cucked Christians. In India Hindu's have better education and income then Muslims. Sadly they are stuck with 14.4 percent of Muslim population since colonial times and it drags them down.

India has it's problems, but all countries have them and it isn't that bad as you would like it to be. Certainly it is not Hinduism that is holding them back.

There are poorer Christian countries then India and there are richer Christian Countries then India, but how many of those Christian countries are really Christian and not atheist?

Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries are very rich and clean. By your logic it would mean that islam is the best religion.

[Paracelsus]

(04-20-2018 03:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:20 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Also, no steak in Hinduism paganism. They will literally fuck your shit up for eating cow meat. At least Christians only get frowny faces about having a good old medium rare on Fridays in Lent, and they don't go so far as to barbecue you as opposed to barbecuing the meat.

I see that eating steak is among the most important things in a faith for you, Paracelsus. You have chosen your religion with your stomach.

If your religion does nothing for your gut checks, you're in the wrong religion.

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As for those ugly picks about India. There are slums in every country. India is currently one of the fastest growing economies and situation is rapidly improving. India puts a lot of effort in green energy. India is a Nuclear country oe of the few in the world.

Yes, because taking up nuclear weapons is a totally peaceful move.

India's basically a third world country, bro, growing economies don't suddenly have to declare their currency invalid and issue a new, shittier one.

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India is very overpopulated, which means that family values are strong.

Overpopulation generally means life is cheap. And in India, where women still throw themselves on funeral pyres for their husbands, it's rock-bottom.

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It is hard to maintain a large and growing population without compromizing cleannes and avoiding pollution.

Funny how the West managed to pull that off, hey? And that even with the British Raj in there for three centuries these guys still haven't figured out how to do it?

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What Muslims would have done long ago in this situation would be to invade neighbours. Christian Germans also did the same and the result was Nazism. Indians don't attack anybody despite having a large population and nuclear weapons.

Indian aggression stoking fears of war with Pakistan.

- Indo-Pakistani War of 1947
- Integration of Junagadh, 1947
- Operation Polo, 1948
- Integration of Dadra and Nagar Haveli, 1954
- Operation Vijay, 1961

Although it's kind of cute to remember that all of these wars were fought on the same pretext as Hitler fought his: the "reintegration" of "Indian" provinces.

And the list goes on!

- Indo-Pakistani War of 195
- Kargil War

That's leaving out all the insurgencies the Indians have suppressed. Peaceful people that like to kill each other. Can't remember the last insurgency in the West.

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They get educated and travel abroad legally and peacefully and do hard work in scientific fields that christians and atheists are getting lazy to do.

Because their own country is a shitberg and has no serious scientific field that anyone takes seriously other than possession of nukes. Or is there some other reason all those "nationalist" Hindus can't find scientific work in their own fucked-up town?

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Hindu's are nationalistic and despise Muslims unlike cucked Christians. In India Hindu's have better education and income then Muslims. Sadly they are stuck with 14.4 percent of Muslim population since colonial times and it drags them down.

Let's not forget those Hindus also despise lower caste Hindus as well. After all, that nationalistic Hindu movement you're talking about hung a few of them for eating cows, too. Glad to see the pagans have their priorities right.

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India has it's problems, but all countries have them and it isn't that bad as you would like it to be. Certainly it is not Hinduism that is holding them back.

Oh, sure. Because the culture they've had since before and after the British came and went has nothing to do with the religion infesting it.

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There are poorer Christian countries then India and there are richer Christian Countries then India, but how many of those Christian countries are really Christian and not atheist?

Dunno. How about instead of rhetorical questions you try posting up some actual examples?

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Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries are very rich and clean. By your logic it would mean that islam is the best religion.

By a logic of evolutionary survival Islam is rational. Not sure what logic you're engaging in to think that a religion which hangs people for eating cows is superior or more enlightened than the one that says "Love one another as I have loved you."

[Mage]

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:20 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Also, no steak in Hinduism paganism. They will literally fuck your shit up for eating cow meat. At least Christians only get frowny faces about having a good old medium rare on Fridays in Lent, and they don't go so far as to barbecue you as opposed to barbecuing the meat.

I see that eating steak is among the most important things in a faith for you, Paracelsus. You have chosen your religion with your stomach.

If your religion does nothing for your gut checks, you're in the wrong religion.

Well, I am glad you recognize your priorities.

(04-19-2018 08:20 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Yes, because taking up nuclear weapons is a totally peaceful move.

It is perfectly rational from a point of survial and securing independence.

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Overpopulation generally means life is cheap. And in India, where women still throw themselves on funeral pyres for their husbands, it's rock-bottom.

That's a smart tradition. At least they have less ageing non-wanted women who would vote for feminists this way. West has too many old boomer ladies who want feminism and social security and push their country into debt, we all know future generations will have to pay for that.

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  

It is hard to maintain a large and growing population without compromizing cleannes and avoiding pollution.

Funny how the West managed to pull that off, hey? And that even with the British Raj in there for three centuries these guys still haven't figured out how to do it?

West has never been as overpopulated due to:
1)Black Death and not knowing anything about hygene.
2)Endless wars. Thirty years war, WW1, WW2.
3) Colonisation, destroying native cultures and sending their poor to America and their criminals to Australia.
4)Abortion and low birthrates.
None of these practices are morally right, yet that is what Christians did.

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  

What Muslims would have done long ago in this situation would be to invade neighbours. Christian Germans also did the same and the result was Nazism. Indians don't attack anybody despite having a large population and nuclear weapons.

Indian aggression stoking fears of war with Pakistan.

- Indo-Pakistani War of 1947
- Integration of Junagadh, 1947
- Operation Polo, 1948
- Integration of Dadra and Nagar Haveli, 1954
- Operation Vijay, 1961

Although it's kind of cute to remember that all of these wars were fought on the same pretext as Hitler fought his: the "reintegration" of "Indian" provinces.

And the list goes on!

- Indo-Pakistani War of 195
- Kargil War

That's leaving out all the insurgencies the Indians have suppressed. Peaceful people that like to kill each other. Can't remember the last insurgency in the West.

I fully support Hindu's trying to push back the Islamist creep into their cultural territory. Islam is the worst religion there is, with possible exlusion of Scientology and similar. Insurgency in west? Isn't it long overdue for Christians to raise against politicians importing muslim occupants? Oh but you are cucked and can't do it sou you are going to say it's a bad thing.

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  

They get educated and travel abroad legally and peacefully and do hard work in scientific fields that christians and atheists are getting lazy to do.

Because their own country is a shitberg and has no serious scientific field that anyone takes seriously other than possession of nukes. Or is there some other reason all those "nationalist" Hindus can't find scientific work in their own fucked-up town?

If you apply that criteria then the whole world is a shithole except USA and maybe UK and dunno about your Australia. There are only very few countries which act as brain sponges and by this criteria 90% of world is a shithole. Not even first world countries like Spain would qualify themselves out of shithole by this criteria. Even Japanese emmigrate to USA for work. And Japan is certainly no shithole altrough of course for you everything may be shithole except your back yard.
The biggest shitholes are countries where people can't even get education to emmigrate and work abroad, all of of Africa, Haiti, Muslim non-golf countries and similar. India is above them certainly. As for reasons why I told you already - mainly overpopulation.

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Hindu's are nationalistic and despise Muslims unlike cucked Christians. In India Hindu's have better education and income then Muslims. Sadly they are stuck with 14.4 percent of Muslim population since colonial times and it drags them down.

(04-20-2018 03:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Let's not forget those Hindus also despise lower caste Hindus as well. After all, that nationalistic Hindu movement you're talking about hung a few of them for eating cows, too. Glad to see the pagans have their priorities right.

In western world you can go into Church and shit on Eucharist and no serious punishment will follow. I am glad to see Hindu's can take their faith seriously and protect that which is holy to them for whatever reason.

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

By a logic of evolutionary survival Islam is rational. Not sure what logic you're engaging in to think that a religion which hangs people for eating cows is superior or more enlightened than the one that says "Love one another as I have loved you."

When you want to prove that Hindu's are the worst to win this arguent so badly you are ready to abandon all integrity as a Christian and show how even islam and Darwinism is better. Well I am not pretending Christianity is worse then islam or atheism to win an argument. That is difference betwen us.

[Paracelsus]

(04-20-2018 04:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Overpopulation generally means life is cheap. And in India, where women still throw themselves on funeral pyres for their husbands, it's rock-bottom.

That's a smart tradition.

Thanks, man, you proved my point.

[Mage]

(04-20-2018 05:14 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 04:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Overpopulation generally means life is cheap. And in India, where women still throw themselves on funeral pyres for their husbands, it's rock-bottom.

That's a smart tradition.

Thanks, man, you proved my point.

You are missing the most important point - that all religions exist for happiness in eternity and not in this life. When you evaluate religions you only apply secular standards an the pleasure your belly recieves. You are not a true believer even in Christianity.

[Sherman]

Christianity has an historical role of creating a European civilization. In Europe, you needed to become Christian to trade with other nations, and so it gained network power, so eventually all of Europe became Christian. You could say that Christianity was the first Internet.

Christianity as an ideology is largely dead which was foreseen by Nietzsche. The top Christian theologians know that the Bible isn't literally true and they are teaching that in the seminaries even though they don't tell their congregations. Even the top Israeli archeologists admit there is no proof of an Exodus and it didn't happen. Archeologists can now detect if three hunter gatherers had a camp fire 20,000 years ago, but have found zero evidence of thousands of people living in the desert. If the most important story in the Bible is false, then its over. They are still trying to maintain the religion recovering the truth as a metaphor. In today's age, the top thinkers become scientists.

Even the conservatives don't believe in God. Think of all the evangelists who put words in God's mouth to cover up crimes they commit. If a person really believed in God, he wouldn't do this. Imagine you worked for a mafia boss, and you were going around town putting words in his mouth, and now he has called you to his office to account for your behavior. You would be scared shitless. But yet Christians do this all the time about someone they claim to be the most powerful being in the universe. Conclusion: they don't really believe in God.

I think the weakest part of Christianity is that it teaches a poor version of morality. People do horrible things because they think Jesus is going to forgive them at the last moment. But life doesn't work like this. I think the Buddhist idea of karma is much more realistic. If you do something bad, you are stuck with it and have to work it out through suffering by yourself. Aristotle's ethics was superior.

I think the Greek philosophers still provide enough guidance to restructure a Western civilization, just like they did in the Renaissance.

[Pride male]

^Like Stoicism?

[Raylan Givens]

(04-19-2018 10:02 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

If I was a white man I wouldnt want the symbol of my religion to be a white man nailed to a cross. I'm black and I wouldnt want a religion that depicts a black man at the end of a noose. Considering how the white man today is persecuted and in certain parts of the world killed like a lamb at the slaughter house i.e South Africa, Christianity reinforces victim hood in my humble opinion. Thor and Zeus on the other hand...

Christ was nailed to the Cross, then he died, then he rose again defeating death and hades. I know the West puts a lot of emphasis on Christ the Victim, but Christ's death is meaningless without His resurrection. Pascha is the highest celebration of the Christian religion. Christ is the Triumphant Victor.

As for Zeus and Thor well those times are dead. Those are dead worldviews. There is no authentic way to worship them and nearly everything about neopaganism is cringey as fuck. Neopaganism is the new Satanism in that it's a kneejerk anti-Christian worldview that is defined almost entirely by it's opposition to Christianity.

[Raylan Givens]

[YoungBlade]

I mean if we're gonna devolve into shitposting....

[Raylan Givens]

Neopaganism is LARPing, period. There are no authentic rites, no valid liturgies, and no real weltanschauung. Everything you know about paganism comes to you from Christians who thought some knowledge and myths of the European peoples should be preserved. Most neopagans are functional atheists who view the gods as some sort of archetype.

I understand why young dudes are attracted to the overtly masculine ethos of Germanic neopaganism. I understand that post-Vatican II Catholicism is milquetoast and watered down and Protestantism is inherently garbage. This leaves men without a clear spiritual path in the West. Neopaganism is a castle made of sand. I was a neopagan for about 5-6 years. I know dudes in the Wolves of Vinland and the Asatru Folk Assembly. Neopaganism is a cringefest and many neopagans are former Satanists.

Furthermore, a lot of Germanic neopagans are Nietzsche fanbois. While Nietzsche rightfully critiqued the flabby feminized Lutheranism of his time he became a nihilist and ended up in an insane asylum to end his life. Mistaking the subverted weakened state of Western Christianity for authentic Christianity is a mistake many in the West make.

[Leonard D Neubache]

If that's all true then it begs the question.

If Christianity is so cucked the world over then what's the functional difference between the basement proper Christian "keeping it real" and the basement Pagan also doing his best to "keep it real".

Neither enjoys any popular support or broader legitimacy. The only difference is that the proper Christian still enjoys a civilisation in which the hollow trappings of his butchered faith are still present to some degree.

For reference I was raised Christian but I don't practice.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Honestly paganism can never make a comeback in the current world.

Atheism is also nothing else but a religion (the total belief that there is nothing in the afterlife is a belief - agnosticism may be rational, but not Atheism). It makes the people vulnerable to cultural marxism as a replacement religion.

Christianity certainly was not as rosy as told. The religion was used by the usual ruling psychopaths to rather wage war against each other. Muslim tribes indeed were more readily unified under one banner. The Christians only occasionally worked together to fight back against the Southern invaders. And they did wipe out old pagan cultures, buildings and shrines even extinguishing histories that told of countries ranging back thousands of years. Currently countries like Turkey and radical Muslim groups are engaged a similar procedure - Turkey recently detonated old cave-buildings, because they were pre-Islamic.

I don't think that the Euro-tribes can re-Christianize. The religion has become too cucked - the Catholics are subverted and the protestants under the Council of Churches and cultural marxist Euro-organizations are partly worse and partly pure Zionist. And the Jews at least have an excuse for Zionism, because it can be patriotism to them - the protestants don't.

In any case - I think that if Euro-tribes ever unite again under one ideology, then it will likely have to be something new, that has some proto-religious feel to it.



We have to understand that even nationalism is in itself a belief system and an ideology in certain values. The communists stayed partly in power because of appeal to an ideology and certain symbols. It had the utopian idea of a communist money-less final stage of all being equal. Of course it was crappy from the onset and survived only via terror, but some people missed that until the end.

As painful as it might be to some - Christianity is too far gone to be saved - you would have to literally usurp all the current hierarchy - pope, protestant church elders, burn the leadership to the ground and then start anew.

It's easier to create something new.

[Raylan Givens]

(04-21-2018 11:19 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If that's all true then it begs the question.

If Christianity is so cucked the world over then what's the functional difference between the basement proper Christian "keeping it real" and the basement Pagan also doing his best to "keep it real".

Neither enjoys any popular support or broader legitimacy. The only difference is that the proper Christian still enjoys a civilisation in which the hollow trappings of his butchered faith are still present to some degree.

For reference I was raised Christian but I don't practice.

The whole of Eastern Orthodoxy, Eastern Catholicism, and large priestly societies and liturgical movements behind the Latin Mass are relatively large and untainted by post Vatican II bullshit. Including the three aforementioned groups they probably number around 600 million people. Neopaganism exists by and large online. I'd be surprised if there were 10-15 million worldwide (not including Hindus and New Agers).

(04-21-2018 11:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

As painful as it might be to some - Christianity is too far gone to be saved - you would have to literally usurp all the current hierarchy - pope, protestant church elders, burn the leadership to the ground and then start anew.

It's easier to create something new.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I suppose it depends on whether you count people in distant lands as being relevant shield-bearers of your local belief structure.

Based Slav Christianity is all good and well for based Slav Christians in Slavistan (comedic generalisations notwithstanding) but not particularly relevant if you live in LA.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-22-2018 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I suppose it depends on whether you count people in distant lands as being relevant shield-bearers of your local belief structure.

Based Slav Christianity is all good and well for based Slav Christians in Slavistan (comedic generalisations notwithstanding) but not particularly relevant if you live in LA.

Yeah - Orthodox Christianity is not exactly a religion of growth. It's mostly prevalent East of Poland and somewhat to the South East of Europe - with some pockets surviving in the Middle East. There is somewhat of a tacit understanding for all the other Christian sects to not do missionary work among each other. Most folk won't even see that the Orthodox are uncucked while the Catholics and most protestant churches are uber-cucked. It appears the same to them and thus no one will budge - just become another useless Atheist.

[Raylan Givens]

(04-22-2018 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I suppose it depends on whether you count people in distant lands as being relevant shield-bearers of your local belief structure.

Based Slav Christianity is all good and well for based Slav Christians in Slavistan (comedic generalisations notwithstanding) but not particularly relevant if you live in LA.

(04-22-2018 09:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I suppose it depends on whether you count people in distant lands as being relevant shield-bearers of your local belief structure.

Based Slav Christianity is all good and well for based Slav Christians in Slavistan (comedic generalisations notwithstanding) but not particularly relevant if you live in LA.

Yeah - Orthodox Christianity is not exactly a religion of growth. It's mostly prevalent East of Poland and somewhat to the South East of Europe - with some pockets surviving in the Middle East. There is somewhat of a tacit understanding for all the other Christian sects to not do missionary work among each other. Most folk won't even see that the Orthodox are uncucked while the Catholics and most protestant churches are uber-cucked. It appears the same to them and thus no one will budge - just become another useless Atheist.

Western Christianity is in it's death throes. Outside of FSSP, SSPX, and a few small sede groups Catholicism (as it is historically understood) only exists in books and the failing memories of those older than 65 or so. Protestantism is utter garbage and always has been. We're talking about 1.5 billion Christians worldwide and hundreds of millions of Christians in the United States. They have to go somewhere. Most will probably just stop going to church altogether, but some will find the draw to real, authentic Christianity irresistible. Very few people in the West have encountered anything other than a shallow, sham, a mockery of the Christian faith.

"Everything in this life passes away — only God remains, only He is worth struggling towards. We have a choice: to follow the way of this world, of the society that surrounds us, and thereby find ourselves outside of God; or to choose the way of life, to choose God Who calls us and for Whom our heart is searching."
-Blessed Seraphim Rose

[Raylan Givens]

Moscow is the Third Rome and as the Russian Church rebuilds it will soon be the spiritual center of European Christianity.

[Pride male]

Maybe the west will have to choose among Christianity, Paganism and Islam. Or is Islam completely incompatible with the Germanic soul? Considering how Europeans love their beer, pork, sexuality and wine I guess it is.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-22-2018 03:32 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

Maybe the west will have to choose among Christianity, Paganism and Islam. Or is Islam completely incompatible with the Germanic soul? Considering how Europeans love their beer, pork, sexuality and wine I guess it is.

Islam is no option. It is not compatible with modern civilization - let alone the West or the East. You would have to wait for the inbreeding to destroy everything. If the entire world would become Muslim, then we would revert to the Middle Ages within a few generations.

Paganism is no option - has no basis.

Well - maybe our exalted leaders will open up their option: Luciferianism. Seems like we are not that far away from that.

[Super_Fire]

(04-22-2018 02:44 PM)Raylan Givens Wrote:  

Moscow is the Third Rome and as the Russian Church rebuilds it will soon be the spiritual center of European Christianity.

Our future:



But can the Russians be trusted?

[Slam]

One interesting question in all of this is just demographics, i.e. what are the rates of people in the West leaving Protestant Christianity? Leaving Catholic Christianity?

From what I've read, the older mainline Protestant groups are falling fast.

And what are the birth rates of the Christian groups? What are the birth rates of secular Westerners?

Mormons -- a different approach to Christianity -- do actually have stricter observance practices than Protestants and have a 3.0 fertility rate (read that somewhere).

It may be that there's not going to be a debate about which path the west SHOULD take. It may just slowly become a matter of demographics answering the question.

In 200 years, when people say 'Christianity' they might be meaning 'Mormonism.'