[BlackLusterSoldier]

So I just started dating this uni student from tinder that lives not far from me, The date we went on consisted of walking... just walking and walking, we weren't far from her house but I could sense she was trying to build up more familiarity and a better bond before she aloud me to come round. We're going on a second date tomorrow, might try to just suggest we 'watch a dvd' at hers but if she's like flat out no that could make me look a bit to thirsty, on the other hand if she's like yes I'd put it at a 70% chance she's dtf.

Normally I'd take her to the cinema, make out session during the movie then by the end of that she should be comfortable with me coming round her place... but I'm broke.

Only intimacy we have had so far was a hug goodbye, she hugged me and started feeling me up, almost like she wanted me to makeout with her before I left but again I don't want to escalate to quickly and run out of 'anticipation' or 'tension' or whatever before I bang.

So yeah, where to go when you're flat out broke...

[Steelex]

If you're flat broke you need to go to work.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Look at yourself in the mirror and look yourself in the eyes. What you see is the equivalent you can get from women.


Until you have the fire and confidence to get what you want out of life you won't get shit with women.

[BlackLusterSoldier]

(01-20-2018 02:21 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Look at yourself in the mirror and look yourself in the eyes. What you see is the equivalent you can get from women.


Until you have the fire and confidence to get what you want out of life you won't get shit with women.

I do get shit with woman loool, I'm just broke (at the moment, I have a degree (recent grad)), I can convince my other girls to pay for me but not a new girl.

[The Beast1]

From the Hank Moody thread on speaking like an aristocrat:

(01-20-2018 02:36 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

What's with all of these, "I want to mingle with the rich" posts lately? Are RVFers insecure of their class standing?

Mingling with the upper class isn't particularly difficult. With all due respect Hank, these sound like you're trying too hard to fit in and it comes off as insecure. Think of it this way, be polite (please, thank you, excuse me,etc), be genuine, and above all use the silverware from the outside in. Just kidding on that last one, sort of.

Even if you think you have nothing interesting to add, the best advice I can give is to spend more time asking questions and listening. Really this works well in any situation. People like talking about themselves.

Second best advice I can give is, remember in Titanic when Jack got invited to dinner in the first class cabin? There's something to be said for the timeless look of a well tailored suit. You don't need to blow the bank, just keep a small collection of nice jumpers, a suit with different shirts, and button downs. Remember pants, nice belt, and a pair of good shoes. That's it!

The one time I bombed was when my clothes weren't fitting right after doing a bulk and having my suits not sit comfortably. That might have been because my collar was chocking me. Regardless, it needs to be good and high quality clothes. Nothing from Express.

Being a foreigner helps in many cases if you're hanging out with the upper class in a foreign country. You won't be, "one of them" and they will definitely forgive more faux pas on the basis of being foreign, but talking less than the person you're talking to will always ingratiate yourself into their graces. Dress the part.

If you want to take an interest in any of the following, it will help you feel comfortable talking with members of the upper class. Things like reading good fiction, traveling, interests in golf, tennis, racketball, yachting, classic cars, equestrian activities, really just having a passionate hobby helps. Hell you can even spin MMA as being a high class activity. They still have wrestling teams at the ivies and oxbridge.

Things you should never talk about are money By golly never ever talk about money. Don't talk about how expensive something is, how frugal you are, the price of anything, how you got a good deal on whatever, etc. Just don't do it. The truly wealthy just don't care or understand the limits of not having money. I've spent time in high finance circles and thusly money is considered "work" which is a double no no. Personally, I prefer to avoid conversations about work and money unless someone else asks first and even then I keep it short and sweet.

Finally, this isn't directed at anyone in this thread but if you're trying to get involved with a rich girl to try and make yourself rich, you're just asking for problems. Not only will your intentions stand out like a sore thumb (rich people can smell golddiggers a mile away) you'll be so well insulated you won't see a dime.

Like the soyboy arab guy who is with Bill Gates' daughter, the body language speaks for itself. Have a relationship with the woman first and the money will follow. Even better, look up to her father and (genuinely) be interested in trying to be the son he never had.

[BlackLusterSoldier]

I just don't want to pay for food or cinema

[Comte De St. Germain]

(01-20-2018 02:36 PM)BlackLusterSoldier Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 02:21 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Look at yourself in the mirror and look yourself in the eyes. What you see is the equivalent you can get from women.


Until you have the fire and confidence to get what you want out of life you won't get shit with women.

I do get shit with woman loool, I'm just broke (at the moment, I have a degree (recent grad)), I can convince my other girls to pay for me but not a new girl.

Your response is representative of the kind of women you're getting as I can pretty easily see.

So I'm not surprised you're struggling in a certain department or with a certain kind of woman.

I feel that's all that needs to be said.

[Ringo]

(01-20-2018 01:26 PM)BlackLusterSoldier Wrote:  

So I just started dating this uni student from tinder that lives not far from me, The date we went on consisted of walking... just walking and walking, we weren't far from her house but I could sense she was trying to build up more familiarity and a better bond before she aloud me to come round. We're going on a second date tomorrow, might try to just suggest we 'watch a dvd' at hers but if she's like flat out no that could make me look a bit to thirsty, on the other hand if she's like yes I'd put it at a 70% chance she's dtf.

Normally I'd take her to the cinema, make out session during the movie then by the end of that she should be comfortable with me coming round her place... but I'm broke.

Only intimacy we have had so far was a hug goodbye, she hugged me and started feeling me up, almost like she wanted me to makeout with her before I left but again I don't want to escalate to quickly and run out of 'anticipation' or 'tension' or whatever before I bang.

So yeah, where to go when you're flat out broke...

Random thoughts:

- You're broke. Take her to your home (or are you homeless too?). If you have a house you can figure it out, get your parent or flatmates out, clean everything, make her a cup of coffee. CHEAP.

- Your first date idea wasn't bad - I've done that before myself and it's great to get to know one another and tease/bond.

- If you can't afford a single ticket to the cinema, you should probably focus more on making money than banging new girls. Still bang new girls, obviously, but prioritize.

- Don't do dates at the cinema. It buiilds no rapport and it's relatively expensive. You're just sitting there in the dark.

- Seems like you're a newbie, so here's a basic game tip: don't make out in public. Take her somewhere private where escalation can happen. To paraphrase the great WIA, "don't pull the pin of a grenade if you can't throw it".

- If you do take her somewhere, get her to pay her half. If she denies or is displeased, dump her, you don't want her around anyways.

- Plant ideas. "I've heard about this great movie" is better than "let's watch a DVD at yours". "Wanna watch it some day?". If she agrees, set it up. Same thing for music albums.

- If you can cook, drop that idea nonchalantly and if she's into it tell her you can cook for her and she washes the dishes. Make it playful. That's a great in to get into her house.

- Use the search feature, there's mutiple threads on this or very cheap date ideas.

- It's 2018, don't say "let's watch a DVD". It's Popcorn Time, Netflix or GTFO.

[BlackLusterSoldier]

(01-20-2018 03:38 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 01:26 PM)BlackLusterSoldier Wrote:  

So I just started dating this uni student from tinder that lives not far from me, The date we went on consisted of walking... just walking and walking, we weren't far from her house but I could sense she was trying to build up more familiarity and a better bond before she aloud me to come round. We're going on a second date tomorrow, might try to just suggest we 'watch a dvd' at hers but if she's like flat out no that could make me look a bit to thirsty, on the other hand if she's like yes I'd put it at a 70% chance she's dtf.

Normally I'd take her to the cinema, make out session during the movie then by the end of that she should be comfortable with me coming round her place... but I'm broke.

Only intimacy we have had so far was a hug goodbye, she hugged me and started feeling me up, almost like she wanted me to makeout with her before I left but again I don't want to escalate to quickly and run out of 'anticipation' or 'tension' or whatever before I bang.

So yeah, where to go when you're flat out broke...

Random thoughts:

- You're broke. Take her to your home (or are you homeless too?). If you have a house you can figure it out, get your parent or flatmates out, clean everything, make her a cup of coffee. CHEAP.

- Your first date idea wasn't bad - I've done that before myself and it's great to get to know one another and tease/bond.

- If you can't afford a single ticket to the cinema, you should probably focus more on making money than banging new girls. Still bang new girls, obviously, but prioritize.

- Don't do dates at the cinema. It buiilds no rapport and it's relatively expensive. You're just sitting there in the dark.

- Seems like you're a newbie, so here's a basic game tip: don't make out in public. Take her somewhere private where escalation can happen. To paraphrase the great WIA, "don't pull the pin of a grenade if you can't throw it".

- If you do take her somewhere, get her to pay her half. If she denies or is displeased, dump her, you don't want her around anyways.

- Plant ideas. "I've heard about this great movie" is better than "let's watch a DVD at yours". "Wanna watch it some day?". If she agrees, set it up. Same thing for music albums.

- If you can cook, drop that idea nonchalantly and if she's into it tell her you can cook for her and she washes the dishes. Make it playful. That's a great in to get into her house.

- Use the search feature, there's mutiple threads on this or very cheap date ideas.

- It's 2018, don't say "let's watch a DVD". It's Popcorn Time, Netflix or GTFO.

Now this is good advise.

[HankMoody]

Dude, I am saying this as a guy with money...

Money does not matter.

You can smash just about any smut with $20 in your bank account. Most of the best poon hounds I know are DJs, bartenders, tattoo artists, or just straight up degenerates.

Some of the most inept men I know when it comes to women are lawyers, doctors, dentists, IT professionals, accountants, real estate investors, etc.

High value professions do not necessarily equate into high value women.

When you're doing it right, she'll even pay for everything with you asking. She'll buy you gifts and all kinds of crazy stuff. I can't believe all the Christmas gifts from plates I got this year.

@Ringo has it right.

Take her hiking, cook her dinner, order her McDonalds on UberEats.

Completely own it, too. "Babe, I'd love to take you to [Steak House], but you HAVE to try this sandwich called 'Fillet-O-Fish.' Beats steak dinner any night of the week. They'll even bring it to my apartment!"

[RexImperator]

Quote:

What's with all of these, "I want to mingle with the rich" posts lately?

Maybe it's Moggmentum.

[dchaffington]

Be confident go, for what you want. Make dinner together.... ramen noodles are super cheap. Broke is a mindset, get it in.

[Vaun]

a girl I have been hitting up lately likes to never pay. She picks this place last week, after we have a free beach date. The place was super expensive. $20 drinks, $40 entree's etc.

We sit down, I take a look at the menu, and say "I'm not eating here." She was like, "wow, you're right, this place is nuts". I made no mention of the prices, I just flat out refused to drop a dollar into that place.

We go to another place, and she buys me a sandwich, without even telling her I didnt want to spend any money. She just automatically did it. Then we went back to her place and banged all night. And the next night too.

I didn't feel bad about about not paying for her, because this girl always tries to hose me. But I just simply said no, and she completely flipped 180.

[Steelex]

I think at times when I was young and broke I encountered less resistance to first night lays. When you're broke, women don't care about you thinking they're whorish.

If you have a more complete package, I think at times they will hold out on the pussy in hopes that they can secure the long term and won't get fucked n chucked.

You can use your perceived weakness as an advantage. If they know off jump street that all you have to offer is dick and personality, then what else would they expect? Make DICK her option, and she will choose dick, or choose someone else.

[General Stalin]

Go to her place or invite her to yours to chill, listen to music, make dinner together, whatever. If you need to go out somewhere and she winds up wanting to go somewhere that requires money then use the "...Oh shit! I don't have my debit card on me!" line. Forgot it at home whatever.

[Rocha]

(01-20-2018 04:00 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Dude, I am saying this as a guy with money...

Money does not matter.

You can smash just about any smut with $20 in your bank account. Most of the best poon hounds I know are DJs, bartenders, tattoo artists, or just straight up degenerates.

Some of the most inept men I know when it comes to women are lawyers, doctors, dentists, IT professionals, accountants, real estate investors, etc.

High value professions do not necessarily equate into high value women.

When you're doing it right, she'll even pay for everything with you asking. She'll buy you gifts and all kinds of crazy stuff. I can't believe all the Christmas gifts from plates I got this year.

@Ringo has it right.

Take her hiking, cook her dinner, order her McDonalds on UberEats.

Completely own it, too. "Babe, I'd love to take you to [Steak House], but you HAVE to try this sandwich called 'Fillet-O-Fish.' Beats steak dinner any night of the week. They'll even bring it to my apartment!"

No, this is extreme.

You don't need to have 300k in the bank and drive a top Mercedes, but money matters to a certain extent, you need to be comfortable to pay a round or two of drinks, get logistics and whatever needed to secure the bang. Otherwise many will be missed. Not every woman bangs in the nearby alley no matter how "alpha" you are.

[BlackLusterSoldier]

(01-22-2018 07:03 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 04:00 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Dude, I am saying this as a guy with money...

Money does not matter.

You can smash just about any smut with $20 in your bank account. Most of the best poon hounds I know are DJs, bartenders, tattoo artists, or just straight up degenerates.

Some of the most inept men I know when it comes to women are lawyers, doctors, dentists, IT professionals, accountants, real estate investors, etc.

High value professions do not necessarily equate into high value women.

When you're doing it right, she'll even pay for everything with you asking. She'll buy you gifts and all kinds of crazy stuff. I can't believe all the Christmas gifts from plates I got this year.

@Ringo has it right.

Take her hiking, cook her dinner, order her McDonalds on UberEats.

Completely own it, too. "Babe, I'd love to take you to [Steak House], but you HAVE to try this sandwich called 'Fillet-O-Fish.' Beats steak dinner any night of the week. They'll even bring it to my apartment!"

No, this is extreme.

You don't need to have 300k in the bank and drive a top Mercedes, but money matters to a certain extent, you need to be comfortable to pay a round or two of drinks, get logistics and whatever needed to secure the bang. Otherwise many will be missed. Not every woman bangs in the nearby alley no matter how "alpha" you are.

If she won't bang in a nearby ally you need to up your alpha bro.

But yeah not buying simple shit like drinks really impedes the whole 'I do what I want/ I create the environment I want vibe'

He does have a point though if frame is strong enough.... but deep down I usually want that steak lol.

[Rocha]

(01-20-2018 01:26 PM)BlackLusterSoldier Wrote:  

So I just started dating this uni student from tinder that lives not far from me, The date we went on consisted of walking... just walking and walking, we weren't far from her house but I could sense she was trying to build up more familiarity and a better bond before she aloud me to come round. We're going on a second date tomorrow, might try to just suggest we 'watch a dvd' at hers but if she's like flat out no that could make me look a bit to thirsty, on the other hand if she's like yes I'd put it at a 70% chance she's dtf.

Normally I'd take her to the cinema, make out session during the movie then by the end of that she should be comfortable with me coming round her place... but I'm broke.

Only intimacy we have had so far was a hug goodbye, she hugged me and started feeling me up, almost like she wanted me to makeout with her before I left but again I don't want to escalate to quickly and run out of 'anticipation' or 'tension' or whatever before I bang.

So yeah, where to go when you're flat out broke...

To the nearby alley "alpha" boy

[BlackLusterSoldier]

(01-22-2018 07:30 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 01:26 PM)BlackLusterSoldier Wrote:  

So I just started dating this uni student from tinder that lives not far from me, The date we went on consisted of walking... just walking and walking, we weren't far from her house but I could sense she was trying to build up more familiarity and a better bond before she aloud me to come round. We're going on a second date tomorrow, might try to just suggest we 'watch a dvd' at hers but if she's like flat out no that could make me look a bit to thirsty, on the other hand if she's like yes I'd put it at a 70% chance she's dtf.

Normally I'd take her to the cinema, make out session during the movie then by the end of that she should be comfortable with me coming round her place... but I'm broke.

Only intimacy we have had so far was a hug goodbye, she hugged me and started feeling me up, almost like she wanted me to makeout with her before I left but again I don't want to escalate to quickly and run out of 'anticipation' or 'tension' or whatever before I bang.

So yeah, where to go when you're flat out broke...

To the nearby alley "alpha" boy

Loooool I too need to up my alpha

[Cobra]

Wellll...............................

You don't have money to do much. So............ there is ... umm ... just one thing left to do.....

Get what I'm sayin....

Should make it easier with some game.

[scotian]

To this day one of the hottest chicks I’ve ever dated was shortly after I graduated uni and moved to Alberta. I was broke, lived with four guys, didn’t have a car and was 23. I ended up dating a Colombian exchange student who is from a wealthy family. We dated for about five months before she moved home and eventually started a family. This chick didn’t give a shit that I was broke and didn’t mind the cheap dates, she paid a lot of the time. If you’re under 25, it’s pretty normal to be broke but you definitely don’t want to be broke at 30.

After she fucked off I focused on my career and put my nose to the grind stone and stacked tons of cash. I’ve been spending winters in Colombia since 2012 now and enjoy it a lot but it wouldn’t have been possible if I didn’t work like a donkey in my mid twenties, get to work bud!

[Hypno]

When I graduated college, I lived in an apt with no furniture until grad school started.

Met the richest girl in town, her dad was a real estate developer. I was working as a temp, making $5/hour. It did not matter. We went to dollar beer night and the dollar movie theater, hung out at her house.

The key was I knew I was going places, and she did too.

Don't let money be an excuse.

Your biggest obstacle here are your self-limiting beliefs, not anything this girl with "class" thinks.