[worldwidetraveler]

(12-28-2017 07:25 PM)teflon Wrote:  

Another poster mentioned using some of these methods on a completely legitimate business. That’s the thing about these online businesses: if at any point you’re relying on a massive corporate entity you’re going to need to do something akin to the Facebook account resurrection discussed previously. Many times these big faceless organizations will shut you down for no apparent reason, and you won’t have a rep to talk to, any warning, or any recourse. Your description for your legit Amazon product might include some claims some random compliance department kid doesn’t like. Facebook might find something to nitpick in your terms or privacy policy. Dunno if it’s still this bad, but a few years ago these types of tiny things would get you instantly shut down. Now you’ve got 5-6 figures of product sitting in a warehouse somewhere, maybe some people who’ve already ordered but haven’t had their orders shipped yet etc. so what do you do? At some point most have to choose exactly whom they want to be ethical to. Is it the customer? Is it one or all of the vendors/platforms/service providers they use? Sometimes you can’t have it all. My advice would be to place the customers above all else.

That is why I am only interested in people that I can repeatedly sell to over and over again. Once I get them on my list, I can hit them up with more products without having to go through Facebook.

You obviously can't do that if you are pushing scammy offers.

I sell my own software and I have quite a few products built up that serves a group of people.

I work with a lot of other business owners, within the same niche, for traffic. These people have solid products and solid support. I trust them and they trust me and my products/support.

I don't need a lot of traffic to make a lot of money because I can sell more products to the same people and my main product, which I try to steer everyone towards, has a recurring billing plan.

The big takeaway I want people to understand is you don't need a huge amount of customers to make a lot of money.

Now if we look at the OP's model, you have to burn through a lot of people because you don't have repeat business. One sale for one customer and then on to the next sale. His markets are huge and you can scale big. When you hit a winner, you scale that mother and then it ends and you have to start over.

Personally, I would get burned out on his model. I'd rather put that energy into building products and selling to my existing customers.

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For the record, açaí has not been sold in many, many years.

Right, the only reason I mentioned it was due to the fake celebrity and fake news site comments by the OP.

[teflon]

There is a lot of burnout yes.

Also I just spoke with the attorney and the new tax bill does not affect PR act 20/22 at all so not sure what that was about.

[nomadbrah]

(12-28-2017 10:43 AM)Running Turtles Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 08:16 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Which paid forum do you recommend?

OP mentioned STM (https://stmforum.com/) in another reply. I heard good things about it before, but didn't join because the marketing made it look like another guru site. If OP says it isn't, I'd like to give it a shot.

I read some threads on BlackHatWorld, but I'm not sure if it's all bullshit or not. BHW is free and seems to be 90% Indian guys asking for methods to make millions and 10% people trying to sell them methods. That made me a bit skeptical, but there are probably some hidden gems around.

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@AffNomad:

If you're looking for a structure on a guide, you might look at this one: https://www.buildersociety.com/forums/di...course.25/

I just started reading the threads there and it seems like a very thought-out way to do it.

BHW is absolute trash, don't waste a second there, unless you're already successful and might want some inspiration or buy some spam service.

[teflon]

Thought I would mention the wickedfire forum as well. But yeah, the forums are generally trash. Ideally you’d want to get into an established group on slack or Skype. Even at the in-person meetups, 95% are wannabes.

[nomadbrah]

(12-30-2017 09:42 AM)teflon Wrote:  

Thought I would mention the wickedfire forum as well. But yeah, the forums are generally trash. Ideally you’d want to get into an established group on slack or Skype. Even at the in-person meetups, 95% are wannabes.

Wickedfire is also dead. Buildersociety is good.

[cosworth]

(if) AFFnomad makes a datasheet I look forward to reading it.
From a broke waiter 18 months ago to making 20-30k a month online is an incredible journey (if) its true :-)

[AffNomad]

(01-03-2018 12:48 PM)cosworth Wrote:  

(if) AFFnomad makes a datasheet I look forward to reading it.
From a broke waiter 18 months ago to making 20-30k a month online is an incredible journey (if) its true :-)

Ya I'll make you guys a data sheet. Off to Vegas tomorrow for the week and have a ton of stuff I've been procrastinating, but do think some here would enjoy reading something. Anyone interested please vote below for one of the following:

1. Data sheet covering how to get going running BH on FB with ~10-15k starting budget.

2. Data sheet on getting started in aff marketing with 5k starting budget.

3. Data sheet on getting started with cryptos.


^ Oh ya and PS haters, am now up 70k in crypto profits since initially investing on Nov 26th and spreading other fiat buy ins over the month of December

[Lampwick]

(01-06-2018 06:20 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 12:48 PM)cosworth Wrote:  

(if) AFFnomad makes a datasheet I look forward to reading it.
From a broke waiter 18 months ago to making 20-30k a month online is an incredible journey (if) its true :-)

Ya I'll make you guys a data sheet. Off to Vegas tomorrow for the week and have a ton of stuff I've been procrastinating, but do think some here would enjoy reading something. Anyone interested please vote below for one of the following:

1. Data sheet covering how to get going running BH on FB with ~10-15k starting budget.

2. Data sheet on getting started in aff marketing with 5k starting budget.

3. Data sheet on getting started with cryptos.


^ Oh ya and PS haters, am now up 70k in crypto profits since initially investing on Nov 26th and spreading other fiat buy ins over the month of December

I vote for the crypto datasheet. If we are currently in a bubble, then it's more time sensitive. Thanks for offering to do this.

[superschalk]

Facebook BH marketing datasheet all the way

[dreamhead]

AffNomad is legit. I've read his posts and everything he says is very similar to what I did. I was making gains similar to him during my prime, and knew others who were making what he makes in a day. However I am still surprised blackhat ads work on Facebook (and that people actually use it).

[edlefou]

I'd like to see affiliate marketing data sheet.

Blackhat Facebook might be interesting, but check first whether it's against forum rules.

Crypto section has good info on getting started so it might be a repeat to do a sheet on this topic.

[stefpdt]

While I would love to hear more about your info on affiliate marketing, the membership on RVF doesn't seem like the right target market fit if you know what I mean.

I think your crypto data sheet would be much better received. And the information would be leveraged by many people here. I vote #3.

Either way, many of us here look forward to whatever you want to share. Thanks bro.

[Lagavulin]

I'd be interested in reading a getting started in crypto data sheet for sure.

[Soma]

(01-06-2018 11:31 AM)edlefou Wrote:  

Blackhat Facebook might be interesting, but check first whether it's against forum rules.

It's fine, provided that anything explicitly fraudulent or illegal isn't discussed.

[Savage]

+1 for affiliate marketing.

any idiot can make money in crypto right now

[TooFineAPoint]

I choose
>>> 2. Data sheet on getting started in aff marketing with 5k starting budget.

[Dante.Migue]

2. Data sheet about affiliate marketing with 5k is an obvious choice.

Crypto trading is short term and the bubble will pop anytime, just like the internet in its early days.

I choose crypto if you can post coins before the pump. short term gains from sure pumps can last a lifetime.

[RichieP]

+1 for Crypto!

Thanks for taking the time, if you're legit.

[qwertyuiop]

Crypto trading will be good until its not a complete bull mkt anymore so take advantage of it rn and maybe you can make enough money for a downpayment on a property or something.

[Soothesayer]

Definitely vote for a Black Hat Facebook Marketing datasheet. I have been banned from running ads for some books of mine and all because I refused to show my face with my (obviously fake) pen names on a second account using the same computer (big mistake I know) - which I wish to keep secret from my family. Also, I didn't like the fact that Facebook wanted to run my name, my REAL one, right alongside the ad! I cannot think of anything more Orwellian.

The only way I can think of to run ads on facebook with a pen name is to do so via VBS and swap credit cards as needed. Not only that, but a clean email on a clean proxy, as Facebook checks the IP headers for any email you use. If you've used your personal facebook account (that is, your real open one), they will make the correlation and... instant ban. I see some outfits over at BHW selling so-called 'premium' aged accounts but not sure how reliable these are.

Wasn't running anything shady. Just books on various anonymity tools like Freenet, proxies, Kali Linux (pen testing) and the like. And yes I know I can create an 'attached' author page to my personal account and just use that to run the ads. But that defeats the entire purpose of privacy as it is not foolproof.

Why there aren't any good books on this topic, I'll never know.

[MaceTyrell]

+1 for affiliate marketing, because yes - any idiot can make money in crypto right now.

[Bain]

Great thread.

[jordypip23]

(12-25-2017 03:27 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

Hey RV guys - have been a long time lurker here and reader of ROK. Would like to start contributing and engaging with the community.

See a lot of guys here keen on travel and a location independent lifestyle. Obviously a big part of propelling that is making money online.

I'm 27 and have been around the block a few times in the digital space. Have failed at many things and succeeded at some. Can say I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things.

I'm a big believer that the greatest gift you can give someone is opportunity. In this case I'm offering to dedicate some time answering noob (read: Elementary not Googleable) questions as far as how to get started down a similar path.


Currently make 20-30k/mo online working for myself. Will be hustling hard in '18 to scale that to 100k+/month. This is from 3 things:

- Day/ swing trading cryptos.
- Affiliate marketing: media buys on facebook promoting blackhat type offers.
- Providing a service to other black hat affiliate marketers.


Feel free to ask me anything.. would love to help some others take steps towards financial independence.

**Please do not private message me about this. I'm not offering any sort of ongoing mentorship and any questions you have should be asked publicly so others can benefit.**

I will be studying this thread like the bible. I did once have a lot of Bitcoins which I squandered away on foolish sportsbetting before the value of BTC skyrocketed. Working on some other hustles, however. Hope to learn from gurus like you.

[MistaaJack]

Are facebook offers still working pretty good for you? My friend has moved onto google and said it converts better nowadays. Btw, are you still doing ecom?

[Andrel]

#3 Crypto

Thanks!