[Atomic]

If you to start all over, with 1000, what would do in your first 30 days?

[zatara]

(12-25-2017 12:32 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

Haha we shall see, but the short answer is, doubt it. In terms of literally turning BTC in fiat, that's easy and can be done with an exchange like GDAx/ Gemini, or selling on local bitcoins. Unfortunately though, IRS is treating crypto to crypto exchanges NOT as "like kind". Meaning tax needs to be paid on every single currency pair exchange cus each counts as a separate trade. Luckily I have a good lawyer/CPA that's also active in the space and will be doing my crypto books this year. If anyone wants a referral let me know.

I'm also considering investing in Pantera's long term ICO fund.. 50k buy in and you get to realize long term cap gains rates.. Might just do that.

Interesting, thanks. Related to the above, if you're grossing 250k+ a year, what sort of effective tax rate are you paying?

[Suits]

(12-26-2017 04:45 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Bullshit, I can easily doctor some screenshots using inspect element on Google Chrome.

Except OP emailed me a half dozen complete different documents within 5 minutes of me describing what he should send me.

Until a repped member who really knows this subject matter comes along and can investigate in more detail, I'd say we should give OP the benefit of the doubt.

If you are well-versed in the subject, you can ask him to email you screenshots of something that only someone who has the knowledge base and experience that OP claims to have would be able to produce.

Of course, if anyone has serious doubts about OP, it's best you take it up with the moderators, since they are the only ones who have the authority to decide who posts here.

[TheFinalEpic]

The income claims OP is making are not unrealistic at all, I know of a guy in my metro area that pulled in around 300mil when the acai craze went insane years back. Mind you he had to pay a lot of it back in fines because of continuous unauthorized charging of credit cards.

My question to OP is this: why not go white hat and forgo the churn and burn of accounts? I know how much can be made from influencer marketing on Instagram for example, or legit product development and sales via affiliates. Wouldn't it mitigate a lot of the headaches? Just a thought.

[polar]

What do you value more, money or ethics?

But really though, interesting thread, even if I don't have a background to gauge your credentials. Do carry on, OP.

[Teep]

I've got quite a bit of exposure to affiliate marketing (albeit whitehat). There's nothing in the OPs posts that set off my BS meter. He uses a lot of terms that only somebody in the industry would know.

I'd be curious to know what triggered GlobalMan?

(12-26-2017 10:27 AM)polar Wrote:  

What do you value more, money or ethics?

But really though, interesting thread, even if I don't have a background to gauge your credentials. Do carry on, OP.

It's not that simple.

Facebook's advertising TOS reads like an SJW Bibile. You can't use before and after pics in your ads, you can't call out a person's condition (ie..Are you overweight?). And so on.

Basically, you can have an awesome, transformative product -- but Facebook makes it hard to advertise it. And if you get a couple ads rejected, there's a good chance they'll shut down your account (blocking the payment methods attached to it). So knowing some BH techniques can definitely come in handy.

[superschalk]

Hey op

Thanks for all your answers so far. As far as I read you are mostly running casino traffic right now. Do you have a CPA deal or a rev share deal with the casinos?

And if I may ask but I understand if you dont answer it here maybe you can pm me what is your CPA for a FTD?

[WeekendCasanova]

(12-25-2017 02:35 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

IE if I'm spending $500/day on a fb account, I'd hope to make $1000 in rev from that adspend.

You need a new ad-guy.

On a serious note, I absolutely hate affiliate marketing and I never use affiliates for any of my online businesses (although in the past I've used influencers etc...). Long-term, i like creating real tangible products, and offering my own services, as despite the income that affiliates can make - again, you're relying on someone else's brand.

But otherwise, glad you're killing it man! Good to have another guy crushing it online on this forum.

We'll have to connect eventually, as I make my living online as well.

- Ryan

[WeekendCasanova]

(12-26-2017 11:24 AM)Teep Wrote:  

I've got quite a bit of exposure to affiliate marketing (albeit whitehat). There's nothing in the OPs posts that set off my BS meter. He uses a lot of terms that only somebody in the industry would know.

I'd be curious to know what triggered GlobalMan?

(12-26-2017 10:27 AM)polar Wrote:  

What do you value more, money or ethics?

But really though, interesting thread, even if I don't have a background to gauge your credentials. Do carry on, OP.

It's not that simple.

Facebook's advertising TOS reads like an SJW Bibile. You can't use before and after pics in your ads, you can't call out a person's condition (ie..Are you overweight?). And so on.

Basically, you can have an awesome, transformative product -- but Facebook makes it hard to advertise it. And if you get a couple ads rejected, there's a good chance they'll shut down your account (blocking the payment methods attached to it). So knowing some BH techniques can definitely come in handy.

They are super strict about this.

Years ago, I had my staff running ads for a Dentist - we used a picture with food stuck in the teeth, and Facebook stopped my ad.

I appealed, and they stood firm in their decision. You can't portray any negative aspects of the human body.

[AffNomad]

(12-26-2017 07:59 AM)Atomic Wrote:  

If you to start all over, with 1000, what would do in your first 30 days?

This is an interesting question and I want to answer in a way that's helpful. So we need to define the parameter 'start over'. As in start from 1000 capital with the same connections? With the same experience with fb ads? With the same experience with cryptos? I get the sense that what you're really asking, is what do I think you should do, assuming you have $1k. If that's your real question, please give a detailed synopsis of your skillset, interests, and short - med - long term goals.

(12-26-2017 09:15 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Interesting, thanks. Related to the above, if you're grossing 250k+ a year, what sort of effective tax rate are you paying?

Sure thing. I'm not entirely sure.. my accountant says <30%, but this is my first year making this kind of money so Idk. Was a broke actor/waiter 18 months ago. One thing's for sure, looking forward to Trump's 20% biz tax rate next year! With deductions hoping to get that effective rate down to like 15% but what do I know.

(12-26-2017 10:22 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

The income claims OP is making are not unrealistic at all, I know of a guy in my metro area that pulled in around 300mil when the acai craze went insane years back. Mind you he had to pay a lot of it back in fines because of continuous unauthorized charging of credit cards.

My question to OP is this: why not go white hat and forgo the churn and burn of accounts? I know how much can be made from influencer marketing on Instagram for example, or legit product development and sales via affiliates. Wouldn't it mitigate a lot of the headaches? Just a thought.

Yup.. 2 biggest regrets I have in life are: not getting into nutra in 2006, and not getting into btc in 2009.

Long term I do want to go WH and develop some physical product brands. Have some kickstarter plays in mind that I need to get off my ass and make happen.

Influencer marketing can crush, though of course now is getting mega saturated, and also, they're already working on ways to limit influencer reach. Think about it, brands are essentially cutting Zuck out of the picture by buying ad space from the influencers instead of from FB.. no way are they going to stand for this, especially at a time when they're running out of new placements and scrambling to keep growing rev. That said, still plenty of people murdering it with influencers. Not my wheelhouse and not something that really interests me tbh.

As for affiliates.. yah I'd like to explore that some day. Know some BH offer owners and they say it's an unreal headache. And worked as a buyer for enough ecomm clients to know that it's not asll peaches and Porsches on their end either. For the time being, BH is amazing for quick cash, and if you can bring the sort of operational sophistication that real business men have and most affs lack, it can be really really good. Not sure it's any more headaches than any other biz, just different ones.

(12-26-2017 10:27 AM)polar Wrote:  

What do you value more, money or ethics?

But really though, interesting thread, even if I don't have a background to gauge your credentials. Do carry on, OP.

Morals > Money > Ethics. And you?

(12-26-2017 11:25 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Hey op

Thanks for all your answers so far. As far as I read you are mostly running casino traffic right now. Do you have a CPA deal or a rev share deal with the casinos?

And if I may ask but I understand if you dont answer it here maybe you can pm me what is your CPA for a FTD?

You're welcome, am glad some are finding this helpful.

I haven't gone the CPA/ rev share deal route yet. Casino is a new vertical for me so I've been testing CPL because lower payout offers = less testing budget needed. Briefly tested a CPA that paid 160EU on FTD, but that wasn't backing out for me as well as my CPL stuff. Buttt my CPL ADV did tell me that my lead qual had decreased, and at this point only had one account up, so could have just been this account. Will need to test this further with a range of concurrent accounts, as ultimately CPA/ rev share makes a lot more sense from a sustainability POV. Know guys that get their CPL payouts slashed due to qual from fb account to account. Just pixel inconsistency.

** For those not directly in this space to whom the above sounds like a foreign language: He's asking me about my offer model. With casino there's CPL (cost per lead), CPA (cost per action, in this case the action might be when a lead completes registration or may be when a lead completes reg and deposits money), and Rev share (when instead of paying you a set amount per lead/ action, the casino pays the affiliate a % of ongoing profit generated from the lead, in perpetuity. **

(12-26-2017 11:38 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 02:35 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

IE if I'm spending $500/day on a fb account, I'd hope to make $1000 in rev from that adspend.

You need a new ad-guy.

On a serious note, I absolutely hate affiliate marketing and I never use affiliates for any of my online businesses (although in the past I've used influencers etc...). Long-term, i like creating real tangible products, and offering my own services, as despite the income that affiliates can make - again, you're relying on someone else's brand.

But otherwise, glad you're killing it man! Good to have another guy crushing it online on this forum.

We'll have to connect eventually, as I make my living online as well.

- Ryan

Lol not sure if you're being sarcastic about needing a new ad guy, but in the BH space 100% is pretty solid. I come from an ecomm background and sure we looked for 3-4x ROAS, but that's a different story. My goal at this point is to focus on scale. Sure, 200-300% would be nice, and will come in time as I hone my skills, but for now my main goal is to simply spend more.

Ya as an offer owner selling physical products, I can't imagine wanting to use affs. We're essentially mercenaries and most DGAF about anything more than arbitrage and maxxing ROI. That said I have friends that are big time offer owners (on track to do 10mm this year on flashlights alone), and they use affs. Granted they vet them hard when they run direct and only work with networks that have a similar vetting process, but they do get good scale out of it, despite having a solid in house team.

And thanks! Wouldn't say I'm exactly crushing it yet, but very happy with where I am right now

Would love to connect - where are you based? What's your primary model?

[teflon]

I’m not sure about other claims OP has made in other posts, but he seems completely legitimate to me. I’ve been in this exact industry for over 5 years. His numbers are not outrageous at all, in fact they are on the small side for a FB pub. 50-100k a day profit is not uncommon at all. I think banning him would be a massive disservice to forum members.

OP, what’s your typical CPA on FB for each vertical (particularly the nutra ones)

What’s your typical EPC for each (including upsells)

How do you find presells to rip before making your own touches/split testing?

Are you considering Act 20/22 with your location independent income to save on taxes?

Which parties are you attending at ASW? (PM me)

I’ve been considering running internal traffic as my margins slowly shrink every day from using affiliates. Do you use only FB or also GDN, native, PPV etc?

[nomadbrah]

I'm not sure why you would disclose earnings in your first post, that would bring up some red flags.

I hope you're for real and stick around.

[Neo]

Not sure on your claims yet, but other members seem to be in the process of verifying.

I believe a data sheet would be helpful. For now let's say someone is pretty much an Affiliate marketing noob.

Willing to start with 1-5k of working capital to learn the ropes. Would rather start small to learn from mistakes and work up.

Has knowledge of certain markets such as fitness and supplements.

Can write decent copy.

Wants to remain ethical with products and methods.

Doesn't really have a network in the aff world.

What would be the actions steps to take in the next 30 days to get up and running?

[teflon]

Quote:

Wants to remain ethical with products and methods.

Look into selling on Amazon or other white hat ecommerce stuff. CPA affiliate marketing probably isn’t for you.

[stefpdt]

It's normal in the IM world to have $100K months. These guys are called "super affiliates". Just run a basic Google Search before calling bullshit on something that's easily Google-able.

OP, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Some of us really appreciate it.

I think black hat is fascinating as fuck. It sounds like a fun grind.

The one thing that I don't like about IM is that you're rarely building equity in a real business, unless you have ownership in the product that you're promoting.

What you're doing is essentially building and then re-building landing pages over and over again for different products.

Do you feel that the ROI of doing this is worth it, as opposed to building an equity-based business where you don't have to "rebuild" as much?

Again, I think that blackhat stuff sounds super fun because of the potential for fast cash, weekly payouts, and true location independence. But what are your thoughts on the long-term viability of this business model?

[teflon]

100k/month is small potatoes in this space honestly. 100k/day affiliates are all over the place. Talking about affiliates pushing paid traffic to CPA offers here. Especially in the nutra verticals. His claims are not outlandish at all.

[Running Turtles]

(12-27-2017 01:53 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 11:25 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Hey op

Thanks for all your answers so far. As far as I read you are mostly running casino traffic right now. Do you have a CPA deal or a rev share deal with the casinos?

And if I may ask but I understand if you dont answer it here maybe you can pm me what is your CPA for a FTD?

You're welcome, am glad some are finding this helpful.

I haven't gone the CPA/ rev share deal route yet. Casino is a new vertical for me so I've been testing CPL because lower payout offers = less testing budget needed. Briefly tested a CPA that paid 160EU on FTD, but that wasn't backing out for me as well as my CPL stuff. Buttt my CPL ADV did tell me that my lead qual had decreased, and at this point only had one account up, so could have just been this account. Will need to test this further with a range of concurrent accounts, as ultimately CPA/ rev share makes a lot more sense from a sustainability POV. Know guys that get their CPL payouts slashed due to qual from fb account to account. Just pixel inconsistency.

** For those not directly in this space to whom the above sounds like a foreign language: He's asking me about my offer model. With casino there's CPL (cost per lead), CPA (cost per action, in this case the action might be when a lead completes registration or may be when a lead completes reg and deposits money), and Rev share (when instead of paying you a set amount per lead/ action, the casino pays the affiliate a % of ongoing profit generated from the lead, in perpetuity. **

First off, thanks for starting out with a Q&A. I'm finding your answers very helpful because most websites that try to teach you about affiliates, cloaking, marketing, etc. are selling a product.

My understanding is that Facebook doesn't allow links to prohibited content (like casinos for example) and they don't allow links to affiliate offers. To circumvent this, you have to cloak the link so that when Facebook employees check it, it appears to be a blog post (for example). Meanwhile, when a potential customer clicks it, he should be taken to the offer page. The only way I can imagine doing that is to discriminate based on location. For example, if I want to advertise a gambling site in Romanian, I would allow Romanian IPs (likely not FB employees) to see the offer page and all others would go to a blog post about gambling.

I say that with absolutely no experience beyond basic web dev, so what would you do to cloak a casino offer? Would the FB accounts also have to be created using residential IPs and a fresh credit card used to buy the ads?

[stefpdt]

(12-27-2017 12:58 PM)teflon Wrote:  

100k/month is small potatoes in this space honestly. 100k/day affiliates are all over the place. Talking about affiliates pushing paid traffic to CPA offers here. Especially in the nutra verticals. His claims are not outlandish at all.

I used to work with a guy who was doing $100k/day.

He got in trouble for using fake celebrity endorsements to push products, just like the OP is doing.

Basically, OP understands every minute detail of what super affiliates actually do on a day-to-do basis, which is how you know that he's most likely the real deal.

The guy who I worked with had his own full-time accounting team, partners, and even investors.

So yeah you're right that $100K/day is normal, but most people on this forum have a hard enough time believing that $100k/month is possible...so I didn't wanna get the skeptics worked up again lol.

[Running Turtles]

(12-27-2017 01:14 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:58 PM)teflon Wrote:  

100k/month is small potatoes in this space honestly. 100k/day affiliates are all over the place. Talking about affiliates pushing paid traffic to CPA offers here. Especially in the nutra verticals. His claims are not outlandish at all.

I used to work with a guy who was doing $100k/day.

He got in trouble for using fake celebrity endorsements to push products, just like the OP is doing.

Basically, OP understands every minute detail of what super affiliates actually do on a day-to-do basis, which is how you know that he's most likely the real deal.

The guy who I worked with had his own full-time accounting team, partners, and even investors.

So yeah you're right that $100K/day is normal, but most people on this forum have a hard enough time believing that $100k/month is possible...so I didn't wanna get the skeptics worked up again lol.

Most people consider 100k/year a successful career.

[teflon]

Sure that’s understandable.

The celeb angle, especially at that volume, is probably the most dangerous. It is very possible to do good volume without any trace of a celebrity in your ad, but your CPA will be higher and ROI lower. However if you live in the US and want longevity over a smash and grab operation, staying away from celeb is the way to go.

I bet his investors are pissed. I find that people are so rabid for yield in today’s underwhelming economy that there is never a shortage of potential investors. I personally stay away from them so I have 100% control, although it’s possible to grow much faster if you go that route.

[Running Turtles]

About Celebs, what are you doing on FB to abuse their names? Titles like:

3 Things you won't BELIEVE Jennifer Aniston eats to LOOK YOUNG!

... and then article saying what it is she supposedly eats with link to buy page?

[DirectDanger]

(12-27-2017 01:53 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

Sure thing. I'm not entirely sure.. my accountant says <30%, but this is my first year making this kind of money so Idk. Was a broke actor/waiter 18 months ago. One thing's for sure, looking forward to Trump's 20% biz tax rate next year! With deductions hoping to get that effective rate down to like 15% but what do I know.

The new 21% business tax rate are for C-corporations. 99.9% chance you do not have C-corp.

You probably have a sole proprietorship, LLC, or S-Corp. All of which are pass through entities and you will pay taxes on your individual income tax.

[Teep]

(12-27-2017 02:11 PM)DirectDanger Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 01:53 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

Sure thing. I'm not entirely sure.. my accountant says <30%, but this is my first year making this kind of money so Idk. Was a broke actor/waiter 18 months ago. One thing's for sure, looking forward to Trump's 20% biz tax rate next year! With deductions hoping to get that effective rate down to like 15% but what do I know.

The new 21% business tax rate are for C-corporations. 99.9% chance you do not have C-corp.

You probably have a sole proprietorship, LLC, or S-Corp. All of which are pass through entities and you will pay taxes on your individual income tax.

It looks like you'll be able to claim a 20% deduction for "pass through" income. So that would apply to sole proprietors, LLCs.,etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...oughs.html

[stefpdt]

(12-27-2017 01:38 PM)Running Turtles Wrote:  

About Celebs, what are you doing on FB to abuse their names? Titles like:

3 Things you won't BELIEVE Jennifer Aniston eats to LOOK YOUNG!

... and then article saying what it is she supposedly eats with link to buy page?

Not OP, but think more like:

"Jennifer Aniston uses this 1 secret skin cream to reverse wrinkles, and look 17 years younger. Plastic surgeons hate her!"

Meanwhile, you show a picture of Jennifer Aniston from 1996, along with the skincare product right next to her image.

This is risky because major celebrities can sue you if you're based in the U.S. and attract enough attention.

In case you've ever wondered why so many affiliate marketers live in Bangkok...

[Running Turtles]

(12-27-2017 02:32 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 01:38 PM)Running Turtles Wrote:  

About Celebs, what are you doing on FB to abuse their names? Titles like:

3 Things you won't BELIEVE Jennifer Aniston eats to LOOK YOUNG!

... and then article saying what it is she supposedly eats with link to buy page?

Not OP, but think more like:

"Jennifer Aniston uses this 1 secret skin cream to reverse wrinkles, and look 17 years younger. Plastic surgeons hate her!"

Meanwhile, you show a picture of Jennifer Aniston from 1996, along with the skincare product right next to her image.

This is risky because major celebrities can sue you if you're based in the U.S. and attract enough attention.

In case you've ever wondered why so many affiliate marketers live in Bangkok...

I think I get the picture. Also explains why a lot of the fake news stuff came from EE during the 2016 US election.

I guess if you hide your ass well enough, you can get away with it from anywhere. I would imagine you need a way to get clean IPs for this stuff in any case since FB can ban your IP if they catch you cloaking.