I didn't come here to waste my time on fools.. Just not interested.
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Quote: (12-28-2017 03:59 AM)AffNomad Wrote:
Quote: (12-27-2017 12:03 PM)Neo Wrote:
Not sure on your claims yet, but other members seem to be in the process of verifying.
I believe a data sheet would be helpful. For now let's say someone is pretty much an Affiliate marketing noob.
Willing to start with 1-5k of working capital to learn the ropes. Would rather start small to learn from mistakes and work up.
Has knowledge of certain markets such as fitness and supplements.
Can write decent copy.
Wants to remain ethical with products and methods.
Doesn't really have a network in the aff world.
What would be the actions steps to take in the next 30 days to get up and running?
1-5k won't cut it if you want to learn media buying on your own dime. Figure 2k/month MINIMUM to learn this, and many spend some months before seeing consistent wins. Not to say that you'll be losing 2k/month, but you certainly won't be seeing 100% ROI in your initial campaigns. With only 2k/month budget, it's hard.. I guess I'd say go with mobile popups and antivirus installs? Maybe sweeps? Not really sure what's hot for low payout offers these days, or which geos. If you're serious or even moderately curious then buy a membership to STM and read the entire forum cover to cover.
^ But like someone else said, AM is the wrong industry for your if your ethics come first.
To tell you what steps to take would take many pages.. if you have a more specific question I can answer for you, but the best thing I can tell you is to take my advice and read STM. If I do write a data sheet it'll be geared towards BH FB and starting with an initial budget of 15k.
Another idea, if you really only have 5k MAX to spend.. head over to blackhatworld forum and learn how to make SEO amazon sites. SEO is boring as shit imo but it does work and you will make money. And I guess it's ethical... but ethical is a slippery slope.
Quote: (12-28-2017 11:03 AM)Neo Wrote:
Actually you never answered them to begin with. You answered that I need to be 'more specific.'
And when people are being skeptical and asking for proof you resort to name calling.
If I'm wrong and what you sent to Suits and hopefully others checks out I'll be the first to change my stance.
Now, carry on.
Quote: (12-28-2017 11:51 AM)Suits Wrote:
Vouch might be too strong of a word. The documents you sent me indicate that you're in some type of business that is or resembles what you claim to be involved in here in this thread.
However, this doesn't mean that you should be absolved of scrutiny. Extreme claims (such as earning 20K+ a month) are going to invite suspicion.
I'm not knowledgeable about this subject, so I'll have to leave it to others to look closer at the information you've present in this thread and elsewhere on the forum, in addition to anything you are willing to share privately.
All I've done is recommend that others give you a fair chance to prove yourself. You still have to prove yourself. I've some of the questions posed in this thread about some really legitimate concerns about some of your claims. A good start would be responding in good faith to those questions.
Quote: (12-28-2017 03:12 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:
I'm not in this type of business since I find it morally repulsive.
He could be telling the truth, but the comments about using celebrities and fake news sites give me pause. Affiliates were using that stuff during the "Acai" craze where companies were getting customers on a forced trial periods and making it near impossible to cancel. A lot of people and companies got hit hard by the FTC. That also made continuity programs much more scrutinized.
This type of marketing is a grind and I suspect most people here value their time more than this type of "business" would allow. You would be better off catering to specific markets or niches within those markets. People don't generally purchase one product over their lifetime. If you get to know your niche well, you can be selling them stuff for years.
The OP's method is having to get a new person every time he wants to make a sale. It is the nature of scamming people into buying bullshit products. Serving a group of people, with valuable products, will allow you to make a lot of money without having to worry about getting more and more and more people.
Quote: (12-28-2017 05:48 PM)stefpdt Wrote:
While I agree that it's important to have great integrity in business, I don't think it's helpful to shut down conversation, either.
I don't do anything blackhat like the OP, but I welcome this discussion, because you can learn something from everyone.
For example, I had a Facebook ad account banned for absolutely no reason (again, I don't do anything blackhat). Facebook essentially screwed me. But, this thread has given me a good idea as to how I can get a new ad account for my 100% ethical business.
The point is that people ultimately have to make their own decisions in life. OP isn't forcing anyone to do anything unethical. You can still learn from his experiences.
Quote: (12-28-2017 01:48 PM)AffNomad Wrote:
Like it or not, as verifiable by having even a modicum of exposure to the BH FB space, or affiliate marketing space in general -- 20k/month is scratching the surface. Apparently that blows guy's minds so much they are triggered to jealousy or denial, even after I send half dozen specific screenshots to you and interact with multiple members here active in the space that seem to think I hold water. SAD!
Just... over it. Feels like hanging out with 50% betas and losers.
Quote: (12-28-2017 06:05 PM)stefpdt Wrote:
@worldwidetraveler
Some people on RVF learned that it’s possible to make $20-30k per month online, which enables you to freely travel the world, and basically do whatever you want.
I’m not sure why you sound so butthurt. But, some members here certainly took away value that may improve their life.
People can re-read this thread if they like.
Yeah, teflon’s post wouldn’t exist if OP hadn’t started this thread.
Quote: (12-28-2017 06:15 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:
Stefpdt, no one just learned it's possible to make 30k/month online. If so then they have haven't been paying attention. Hell, WeekendCassanova does far better than this and has outlined what he does in probably three different threads, and in addition to that his methods are 100% above board, real businesses and are actually achievable by most, whereas not one person reading the "data" in this thread is likely to make a cent doing this.
Quote: (12-28-2017 06:20 PM)stefpdt Wrote:
But you can apply internet marketing principles to a real business in a way that provides customers with real value.
Quote: (12-28-2017 01:48 PM)AffNomad Wrote:
Feels like hanging out with 50% betas and losers.