[Speculation]

A lot of this has been touched upon in the Orville thread, but I thought it could use rehashing. The latest Star Trek series is completely saturated with Social Justice themes.

To start with, Discovery's main protagonist is a black female commander with a boy's name ('Michael') who was raised by Vulcans. She begins the series as the second in command to an asian female captain. The first episode already touched on race issues where an albino white Klingon was shunned by the other black Klingons before being accepted after displaying fanatical religious zealotry.

I've just started watching the third episode where, I shit you not, 'Michael's' new roommate walks in and the first thing that comes out of her mouth is her telling Michael about her special needs.

This isn't the Star Trek I remember. The gay Sulu from the new movies was bad enough, but Discovery continues signalling Trek's converged progressiveness with all the subtlety of a bullhorn.

The actress' opinion regarding calling the female protagonist Michael:

Quote:

Martin-Green was on board with the moniker twist from the beginning, which she calls a "lovely symbol," as it not only helped her understand her character's backstory -- a human raised by a Vulcan (James Frain) -- but is in line with the franchise's message of open-mindedness and diversity, and a future with more gender fluidity.

And CynicalContrarian posted this in the Orville thread:

[url=https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/912509579333955585][/url]

Has anyone else been watching?

[MajorStyles]

(10-02-2017 09:38 AM)Speculation Wrote:  

To start with, Discovery's main protagonist is a black female commander with a boy's name ('Michael') who was raised by Vulcans.

[Foolsgo1d]

I give it 3 series. Captain Archer couldn't save the last series and he wasn't a limp dicked faggot who swoons at the sight of different colours of skin.

[Germanicus]

That the series is called STD is very appropriate.

STD infections are the inevitable result of a degenerate, dissolute lifestyle. And Star Trek Discovery is the inevitable result of following the logic of the marxist-progressive worldview of the Star Trek franchise to its end.

[Irenicus]

I have watched the first two episodes (torrented from Pirate Bay).


I am headed to the gym soon, and I'll post my review when I get back. I was considering opening a thread about it, but I was too lazy.


There will be spoilers, so I'll post in a separate thread.


All I can say is that I want my time back!

[Conscious Pirate]

How about the blond, faggot head of Engineering on board Discovery!? He shows up in Ep 3. He's the first openly bitchy gay I've ever seen on ST.

[TravelerKai]

I would say I feel badly for your Trekheads, but I would be lying. I hate Star Trek and Star Wars with a passion. Dorkiest shows ever created on Earth. I'm surprised it did not happen earlier in this decade.

[MikeS]

I've actually enjoyed the first three episodes. Despite the tough, black, female lead with a male name (which they even joke a little about in the third episode), it feels like a much more modern and action filled show - but still with plenty of talk and occasionally too much exposition (two first episodes, not so much an issue with the third) - than any previous Star Trek series. More like the latest movies in that regard. Also modern fights, people who hate each other and blood and gore in the third episode. Visually it also looks like a high budget show.

The female lead hasn't even annoyed me so far - beyond simply being a symbol of what SJWs love by way of being tough and black (but that's really modern Hollywood for you, to more or less severe extent. Personally I'm far from giving up on movies and TV series, there's still lots I mostly find entertaining). Despite her toughness and skills (raised by Vulcans. Yeah!), she's definitely also shown to have some rather major flaws - won't say more because of major spoilers.

[Captainstabbin]

(10-02-2017 09:38 AM)Speculation Wrote:  

And CynicalContrarian posted this in the Orville thread:

[url=https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/912509579333955585][/url]

A cheerful looking group, huh?

[floor7]

(10-02-2017 03:36 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

I've actually enjoyed the first three episodes. Despite the tough, black, female lead with a male name (which they even joke a little about in the third episode), it feels like a much more modern and action filled show - but still with plenty of talk and occasionally too much exposition (two first episodes, not so much an issue with the third) - than any previous Star Trek series. More like the latest movies in that regard. Also modern fights, people who hate each other and blood and gore in the third episode. Visually it also looks like a high budget show.

The female lead hasn't even annoyed me so far - beyond simply being a symbol of what SJWs love by way of being tough and black (but that's really modern Hollywood for you, to more or less severe extent. Personally I'm far from giving up on movies and TV series, there's still lots I mostly find entertaining). Despite her toughness and skills (raised by Vulcans. Yeah!), she's definitely also shown to have some rather major flaws - won't say more because of major spoilers.

I think the reasons why you like it are precisely why I dislike it. Would rather watch TNG & DS9 reruns. Hell even some voyager reruns just for 7.

CBS will bomb with this. It financially won't be able to carry its weight.

[MikeS]

(10-02-2017 08:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 09:38 AM)Speculation Wrote:  

And CynicalContrarian posted this in the Orville thread:

[url=https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/912509579333955585][/url]

A cheerful looking group, huh?

I watched parts of the video, including at 16:55 where he says that he "knows many people will think that he's being overly critical".
I'm certainly not going to refute some of the points I heard him make - nor that 95% of what's coming from the entertainment industry these days has more or less blatant social justice under- or overtones (it's obviously even in sports now, which just demonstrates that even big, burly alpha guys can be at least part-time SJWs, or maybe just averagely stupid) - but I think he's being pointlessly critical.

As far as I'm still concerned - and that goes for most big budget Hollywood movies and TV - if I'm entertained I really don't give all that much of a shit about the political reasons the writers and directors had for the casting, script elements and various other aspects. Nor that I likely wouldn't get along at all with most of the actors, and would probably find some or many of them horrifyingly insufferable.
Doesn't matter - they are producing entertainment, and if I feel entertained for an hour or two the rest is fairly irrelevant.
The Western world is going downhill fast anyway, and if I really wanted to try to start campaigning for turning it around, sci-fi TV, superhero movies or other fantastical products is probably not where I'd put most of my focus.

[MikeS]

(10-02-2017 09:06 PM)floor7 Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 03:36 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

I've actually enjoyed the first three episodes. Despite the tough, black, female lead with a male name (which they even joke a little about in the third episode), it feels like a much more modern and action filled show - but still with plenty of talk and occasionally too much exposition (two first episodes, not so much an issue with the third) - than any previous Star Trek series. More like the latest movies in that regard. Also modern fights, people who hate each other and blood and gore in the third episode. Visually it also looks like a high budget show.

The female lead hasn't even annoyed me so far - beyond simply being a symbol of what SJWs love by way of being tough and black (but that's really modern Hollywood for you, to more or less severe extent. Personally I'm far from giving up on movies and TV series, there's still lots I mostly find entertaining). Despite her toughness and skills (raised by Vulcans. Yeah!), she's definitely also shown to have some rather major flaws - won't say more because of major spoilers.

I think the reasons why you like it are precisely why I dislike it. Would rather watch TNG & DS9 reruns. Hell even some voyager reruns just for 7.

CBS will bomb with this. It financially won't be able to carry its weight.

I started watching DS9 again a couple of months ago on Netflix. Didn't get more than a few episodes in, it just feels very slow and old fashioned. Maybe I should selectively go rewatch some Voyager episodes with Seven of Nine instead.

[uncledick]

(10-02-2017 09:11 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 08:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 09:38 AM)Speculation Wrote:  

And CynicalContrarian posted this in the Orville thread:

[url=https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/912509579333955585][/url]

A cheerful looking group, huh?

I watched parts of the video, including at 16:55 where he says that he "knows many people will think that he's being overly critical".
I'm certainly not going to refute some of the points I heard him make - nor that 95% of what's coming from the entertainment industry these days has more or less blatant social justice under- or overtones (it's obviously even in sports now, which just demonstrates that even big, burly alpha guys can be at least part-time SJWs, or maybe just averagely stupid) - but I think he's being pointlessly critical.

As far as I'm still concerned - and that goes for most big budget Hollywood movies and TV - if I'm entertained I really don't give all that much of a shit about the political reasons the writers and directors had for the casting, script elements and various other aspects. Nor that I likely wouldn't get along at all with most of the actors, and would probably find some or many of them horrifyingly insufferable.
Doesn't matter - they are producing entertainment, and if I feel entertained for an hour or two the rest is fairly irrelevant.
The Western world is going downhill fast anyway, and if I really wanted to try to start campaigning for turning it around, sci-fi TV, superhero movies or other fantastical products is probably not where I'd put most of my focus.

Your completely wrong. It's where all the focus should be and it's why the left/progs/Marxists have won every societal battle in the last 60 years. Whoever has the culture owns the future. Conservatives have to make their own pop culture, but that will probably never happen.

As far as TV goes, there is almost nothing on it, that I would say adds any value to a member of this community/forum. It's literally all propaganda or straight up trash. Anyone who consumes large amounts of it, is bound to its agenda.

[Speculation]

I enjoyed the high budget quality and action aspects. I normally don't care about politics in my entertainment either, but the blatant SJ points jarringly break me out of being absorbed by the show. I can ignore the black female aspect, but every time someone calls her Michael I get pulled out of reverie. I can now accurately identify villains and incompetent gamma-raging foils (like the bitchy blonde gay lieutenant mentioned earlier) if they are a white male.

I see this more as the canary down the coal mine with entertainment. Star Trek was always a progressive show (it had the first on screen interracial kiss between Kirk and Uhura back in the 60's), but it was often a sign of things to come in other shows. I'm worried that eventually all shows will be like this and I'll be unable to enjoy them as I once did because the political stuff is too on the nose.

[ElFlaco]

(10-02-2017 08:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Hilarious.

In this guy's analysis:
Klingons = Trump-supporting white nationalists
Federation = the EU

If that sounds far-fetched, he backs it up with statements from the show's creators.

He calls it a leftist propaganda project masquerading as your once-beloved TV series.

Anyone seen the new Will & Grace?

[MikeS]

(10-02-2017 09:26 PM)uncledick Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 09:11 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 08:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 09:38 AM)Speculation Wrote:  

And CynicalContrarian posted this in the Orville thread:

[url=https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/912509579333955585][/url]

A cheerful looking group, huh?

I watched parts of the video, including at 16:55 where he says that he "knows many people will think that he's being overly critical".
I'm certainly not going to refute some of the points I heard him make - nor that 95% of what's coming from the entertainment industry these days has more or less blatant social justice under- or overtones (it's obviously even in sports now, which just demonstrates that even big, burly alpha guys can be at least part-time SJWs, or maybe just averagely stupid) - but I think he's being pointlessly critical.

As far as I'm still concerned - and that goes for most big budget Hollywood movies and TV - if I'm entertained I really don't give all that much of a shit about the political reasons the writers and directors had for the casting, script elements and various other aspects. Nor that I likely wouldn't get along at all with most of the actors, and would probably find some or many of them horrifyingly insufferable.
Doesn't matter - they are producing entertainment, and if I feel entertained for an hour or two the rest is fairly irrelevant.
The Western world is going downhill fast anyway, and if I really wanted to try to start campaigning for turning it around, sci-fi TV, superhero movies or other fantastical products is probably not where I'd put most of my focus.

Your completely wrong. It's where all the focus should be and it's why the left/progs/Marxists have won every societal battle in the last 60 years. Whoever has the culture owns the future. Conservatives have to make their own pop culture, but that will probably never happen.

As far as TV goes, there is almost nothing on that I would say adds any value to a member of this community/forum. It's literally all trash/propaganda. Anyone who consumes large amounts of it is bound to its agenda.

The only value I need from movies and TV (I follow a handful of series, don't really care much for anything else on TV - well, except for using it to learn Bulgarian at the moment, watching and listening to all kinds of random crap dubbed or natively in Bulgarian) is whether I'm entertained while I'm relaxing for an hour or two.
Quite often that's fairly proportional to the fanciness of the visuals effects and how many people are beat up, blown up, shot or decapitated. Or sometimes something marginally more cerebral (I suspect Blade Runner 2049 will have aspects of that, just like - on TV - Westworld and the ended Person of Interest).

You do make a very good point about the importance of culture. I guess I'm just on the "enjoy the decline" train these days. Or at least not bothering to despair from it.
Maybe I will in the future. Even with movies and particularly TV I have noticed that I can no longer find much or any enjoyment in some of the things I used to like just a few years ago.

[MikeS]

(10-02-2017 09:37 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 08:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Hilarious.

In this guy's analysis:
Klingons = Trump-supporting white nationalists
Federation = the EU

If that sounds far-fetched, he backs it up with statements from the show's creators.

He calls it a leftist propaganda project masquerading as your once-beloved TV series.

Anyone seen the new Will & Grace?

As Speculation said in the post above yours, from TNG and onwards Star Trek was really always a fairly progressive show. They have certainly stepped it up a notch now, but so far they've also stepped up the action and the production values.

[Emancipator]

How nice of them to show a tribute to Obama, naming the main character after Barack's partner.

[questor70]

(10-02-2017 09:41 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

they've also stepped up the action and the production values.

Expensive != good. The production design and cinematography is a textbook case in overindulgence.

[MikeS]

(10-04-2017 12:24 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 09:41 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

they've also stepped up the action and the production values.

Expensive != good. The production design and cinematography is a textbook case in overindulgence.

A matter of taste. I like it, even if the modernity of it and fairly substantial deviations from the original look of many things is incongruent with the time period it takes place in.

[asdfk]

I really liked the character of captain Janeway in Voyager.

Of course the show is “progressive”. It’s set in an universe where earth doesn’t have any nation states and has gotten rid of money.

Haven’t seen the new ones yet.

[loremipsum]

(10-04-2017 10:52 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

I really liked the character of captain Janeway in Voyager.

Of course the show is “progressive”. It’s set in an universe where earth doesn’t have any nation states and has gotten rid of money.

Haven’t seen the new ones yet.

That reminds me of a certain text dating a couple thousand years. Could be just my memory mistaking.

[stugatz]

The original series might have been set in a future where the world was socialistic, but due to the fact it was made in the 1960s, many of the values of (conservative?) creator Gene Roddenberry were shared by the characters.

This is set before Captain Kirk. Is the Star Trek fan base just going to pretend the original series never happened?

Kirk is a pretty strong-willed alpha male who sleeps with almost everything that moves.

[BortimusPrime]

The show's creators may have unwittingly done the alt-right a favor by writing the Klingons as bigoted Trump supporters. Clearly their intent was to show how evil the Klingons are for being against multiculturalism and open borders, but doing that with the most popular alien race in Star Trek is just making it seem cool. Now along with "Deus Vult!" we've got "Remain Klingon!"

[nomadbrah]

(10-04-2017 12:47 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

The original series might have been set in a future where the world was socialistic, but due to the fact it was made in the 1960s, many of the values of (conservative?) creator Gene Roddenberry were shared by the characters.

This is set before Captain Kirk. Is the Star Trek fan base just going to pretend the original series never happened?

Kirk is a pretty strong-willed alpha male who sleeps with almost everything that moves.

I don't seem to remember the original Star Trek being very marxist or SJW, not TNG either.

Yes, they've got different races working as one Earth, but so what? I don't recall a single racially charged theme in either of them. Normal alpha male characters and generally attractive feminine women. They even have a 100% rational character in Spock (libertarian sperg) who would no doubt today be called a mansplainer and/or white supremacist.

I understand the idea of one earth with no Christianity must have been rather radical back then, but overall I can't see too much jewing going on.