[Conscious Pirate]

(10-23-2017 05:18 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

I think I remember that episode, was it the one with the rifle that teleported its bullets?

Come to think of it spokepoker, I think you are right. Good episode.


The problem with the reboot, is that there is no philosophy in it anymore. That has all been replaced with the new virtue of Social Justice. I watched from TNG right through to Enterprise. DS9 was far & away my favourite series. I'm not a huge scifi buff, I'm an ideas buff & ST used to be full of them. Each & every episode there was a fundamental human principle to be discussed & learnt from, & setting it in space gave Roddenberry & the writers a universe with which to attack these philosophical questions from all sides.

That is all gone now. Just more of the same you-go-girl/gay rubbish & NO SOUL.

[Long Haired Samson]

(10-25-2017 12:13 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 05:18 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

I think I remember that episode, was it the one with the rifle that teleported its bullets?

Come to think of it spokepoker, I think you are right. Good episode.


The problem with the reboot, is that there is no philosophy in it anymore. That has all been replaced with the new virtue of Social Justice. I watched from TNG right through to Enterprise. DS9 was far & away my favourite series. I'm not a huge scifi buff, I'm an ideas buff & ST used to be full of them. Each & every episode there was a fundamental human principle to be discussed & learnt from, & setting it in space gave Roddenberry & the writers a universe with which to attack these philosophical questions from all sides.

That is all gone now. Just more of the same you-go-girl/gay rubbish & NO SOUL.

Deep Space 9 was heavy into story lines about politics, the nature of power, how different cultures use power to dominate others, etc. We even find out about Section 31 (a KGB/Mossad/CIA type organization) that is part of the Federation charter and that Section 31 has been conducting the Federation's undercover dirty business for centuries!

[spokepoker]

The only bad thing about that episode was that they had that short haired nincompoop as Dax, instead of that racked chick. I always hated that they changed her out for that retarded pixie.

edit; some nerd shit, but how far before the original series is this supposed to be? They had Mudd locked up with this captain, and the ship is NX (pre-NCC) series, so does Mudd have a long-ass lifespan or something?

[Conscious Pirate]

10 years. I hated that pixie too.

[Speculation]

I didn't mind the pixie. WB.

Of course WB the original Dax too. She was a model in real life apparently.

[Alsos]

(10-25-2017 12:13 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 05:18 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

I think I remember that episode, was it the one with the rifle that teleported its bullets?

Come to think of it spokepoker, I think you are right. Good episode.


The problem with the reboot, is that there is no philosophy in it anymore. That has all been replaced with the new virtue of Social Justice. I watched from TNG right through to Enterprise. DS9 was far & away my favourite series. I'm not a huge scifi buff, I'm an ideas buff & ST used to be full of them. Each & every episode there was a fundamental human principle to be discussed & learnt from, & setting it in space gave Roddenberry & the writers a universe with which to attack these philosophical questions from all sides.

That is all gone now. Just more of the same you-go-girl/gay rubbish & NO SOUL.

You've summed up one of the two big problems with the SF genre - the big-ideas fiction that made the reader imagine and ponder has given way to small-minded revenge porn that confronts the reader with the author's neurotic resentment and petty envy and assorted mental illnesses and character defects.

(The other big problem is the pedophilia/deviant sex stuff, stretching back decades.)

[Long Haired Samson]

(10-25-2017 03:40 AM)Speculation Wrote:  

I didn't mind the pixie. WB.

Of course WB the original Dax too. She was a model in real life apparently.

The best was when the DS9 crew traveled back to Kirk's time and Jadzia put on that skimpy Kirk era red uniform.

[Conscious Pirate]

(10-25-2017 12:13 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 05:18 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

I think I remember that episode, was it the one with the rifle that teleported its bullets?

Come to think of it spokepoker, I think you are right. Good episode.


The problem with the reboot, is that there is no philosophy in it anymore. That has all been replaced with the new virtue of Social Justice. I watched from TNG right through to Enterprise. DS9 was far & away my favourite series. I'm not a huge scifi buff, I'm an ideas buff & ST used to be full of them. Each & every episode there was a fundamental human principle to be discussed & learnt from, & setting it in space gave Roddenberry & the writers a universe with which to attack these philosophical questions from all sides.

That is all gone now. Just more of the same you-go-girl/gay rubbish & NO SOUL.

To take the above further and make a prediction...

I guarantee you this series will be the nail in the coffin for Star Trek, at least until after the Hypocalypse.

The only reason it has sustained itself thus far is because of what I referred to above, the philosophy. This theory is borne out by the fact that, the Original Series with Kirk fucking his way thru space, was a dead end & it was the introduction of philosophy to The Next Generation, & those series to follow, that gave Star Trek the hallowed name in Pop Culture history that it rightfully deserves.

I am going to take my anger for everyone responsible for this new hot mess & channel it into curing my flagellant, blue pill housemate by shame into freedom.

[BortimusPrime]

(10-27-2017 01:34 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:13 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 05:18 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

I think I remember that episode, was it the one with the rifle that teleported its bullets?

Come to think of it spokepoker, I think you are right. Good episode.


The problem with the reboot, is that there is no philosophy in it anymore. That has all been replaced with the new virtue of Social Justice. I watched from TNG right through to Enterprise. DS9 was far & away my favourite series. I'm not a huge scifi buff, I'm an ideas buff & ST used to be full of them. Each & every episode there was a fundamental human principle to be discussed & learnt from, & setting it in space gave Roddenberry & the writers a universe with which to attack these philosophical questions from all sides.

That is all gone now. Just more of the same you-go-girl/gay rubbish & NO SOUL.

To take the above further and make a prediction...

I guarantee you this series will be the nail in the coffin for Star Trek, at least until after the Hypocalypse.

The only reason it has sustained itself thus far is because of what I referred to above, the philosophy. This theory is borne out by the fact that, the Original Series with Kirk fucking his way thru space, was a dead end & it was the introduction of philosophy to The Next Generation, & those series to follow, that gave Star Trek the hallowed name in Pop Culture history that it rightfully deserves.

I am going to take my anger for everyone responsible for this new hot mess & channel it into curing my flagellant, blue pill housemate by shame into freedom.

I think you just can't get this kind of show anymore where they pick some philosophical/sci fi premise to explore for a standalone episode. It was a product of 90s era television: namely TNG Star Trek, Babylon 5, or even that remake of The Outer Limits that had naked tits in half the episodes for some reason.

Modern TV series seem to have to be massive arcing dramas like Game of Thrones where they rely on hooking the audience with wanting to see where the story goes instead of individual episodes standing on their own merit. Now you get episodes where they dole out juuust a little bit of story advancement to keep you watching, sort of like a soap opera.

[questor70]

(10-27-2017 01:54 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I think you just can't get this kind of show anymore where they pick some philosophical/sci fi premise to explore for a standalone episode.

The Orville is doing just that. Tonight's Orville episode covered lynch mob shaming via social networks. I thought it was particularly topical in the sense that if some SJW catches you manspreading on a train your entire life can be ruined if the story goes viral. One of the offenses documented was similar to that, not giving up a seat on a bus or train caught on video. Not sure if you'd call it a red-pill story per se, but something those who are fed up with all the petty outrage (like brown corn pop janitors) can relate to.

So anyone reading this thread, if you want old-school Trek stories, watch The Orville. It's getting better and better each week as they fine-tune the comedy/drama quotient.

[Conscious Pirate]

Fuck the Orville. Stop pushing that shit. The barn door was left open way too long.

[Mr. D]

What a shame CBS/Paramount didn’t pick up on this:

[Alsos]

I think it was because "Axanar" took the material seriously.

I knew the reboot Trek franchise was going to suck the moment that lizard-ewok thing appeared on-screen. It was a form of comic relief that advertised that the writers were unwilling to take the material seriously. It's the drama equivalent of a gamma telling an edgy joke and immediately neutering it with a hastily-blurted "just kidding!" - he can think up the joke, and is willing to actually say it, but fears committing to it lest someone judge (or hurt) him. People who do this never seem to grasp that it's not the joke or whatever that makes others cringe, it's the weaselly backing away.

They think it's cute and clever to do this kind of thing, but like hipster irony it's a phony and defensive posture used by cowards who are drawn to the 'authenticity' of some deeper aesthetic or philosophy or mythology but want to maintain plausible deniability if someone, anyone, considers those interests low class or low status. The "Axanar" teaser is fantastic precisely because it commits to the fictional universe in which it takes place. It presents a historical event with appropriate gravitas, makes no apologies for the conventions of the franchise, and even makes the dated 1960s aesthetics work (instead of giving them an ironic frame or "updating" them). There's no wink-nudge to the audience that says "just kidding", no attempt to soften it to make it "approachable" or "women/kid-friendly".

Mr. D is absolutely correct. CBS/Paramount could have picked up on "Axanar", if not the plot certainly the tone and aesthetics and storytelling quality of it. Imagine a weekly series set in the Trek universe, in which the drama made sense, the technology was consistent, the socio-political-economic setting was plausible, and the characters realistic. Take the best aspects of the prior series, but shed the ewok-lizards and Wesley Crushers and Neelixes and the absurd obsession with making each installment serve as a Very Special Episode in which the storytelling is subordinated to heavy-handed SJW preaching. Imagine something like "Band of Brothers" set in the Trek universe. I'd actually bother to watch it, unlike the incompetent mess that is "ST-D".

[Alsos]

Should add that this is exactly why I won't watch "Orville". The trailers and clips I've seen from it appear to treat the material with an ironic wink-nudge, as if to say "we're not really serious about any of this". The creators appear to be unable to commit to the genre on its own terms, or even to affectionately lampooning the genre a la "Galaxy Quest" (which is not at all the same as irony).

I haven't watched any of it to be sure of this. But what I've seen does not make me interested in seeing it, and the fanboy cultishness I've encountered turns me off of it completely.

[Mochihunter]

Hey guys, I'm new to Star Trek. I've watched the first Stark Trek movie with Chris Pine and a little of Next Generation and Voyager. Anyone know a good series to start with to get into it?

[Conscious Pirate]

(11-10-2017 12:58 AM)Mochihunter Wrote:  

Hey guys, I'm new to Star Trek. I've watched the first Stark Trek movie with Chris Pine and a little of Next Generation and Voyager. Anyone know a good series to start with to get into it?

Skip Kirk & go straight to Picard on The Next Generation. Watch thru to DS9. if you need more, you can hit Voyager.

if you're red pilled already, Deep Space 9 will be the only series bearable.

[Mochihunter]

Thanks for the advice. I'll give the older series a try and see how I fare. I'm usually ok at turning off my red pill brain during media.

[NightVale]

(11-10-2017 12:58 AM)Mochihunter Wrote:  

Hey guys, I'm new to Star Trek. I've watched the first Stark Trek movie with Chris Pine and a little of Next Generation and Voyager. Anyone know a good series to start with to get into it?

I saw The Original Series in reruns first growing up so I'm a little biased and I enjoy the older sci-fi series, so I think you should watch the different series in order of when they came out.
They recently remastered the original series so you can get good quality versions.
If you don't want to watch the entire 3 seasons try: The City on the Edge of Forever, Balance of Terror, Mirror Mirror, Arena, Space Seed (it leads to the original Wrath of Khan movie), The Devil in the Dark. These will give you a good introduction. After that a couple of the movies Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan and III The Search for Spock.

[BortimusPrime]

(11-10-2017 12:58 AM)Mochihunter Wrote:  

Hey guys, I'm new to Star Trek. I've watched the first Stark Trek movie with Chris Pine and a little of Next Generation and Voyager. Anyone know a good series to start with to get into it?

I'd say start at season 2 of Next Gen. Season 1 was still trying to imitate the original series and was campy.

[Robert Plant]

I watched the first 3 episodes and I was entertained, but unlike previous Star Treks which were almost always thought provoking, this show is pretty much mindless drivel. If I wanted petty drama, I could watch reality tv. I doubt I'll watch anymore.

Also the show makes Starfleet look really sinister. They are trying to assimulate the Klingons who are trying to preserve their ancient identity, traditions and freedom.

By the way, did anyone else interpret the Klingons as alpha black men? One thing I've noticed with some sjws (especially white women) is that they can be super racist and fearful when it comes to alpha black men. It seems maybe the show is only promoting a certain kind of "diversity". By the way, I fucking hate racism especially when people are hypocritical about it, like the white girl who rides the ethnic cock carousel in college, then settles down with a white beta in the white suburbs and makes sure her kids go to an all white school.

I also tend to think the backdrop of war is a purposeful tool to push an agenda that radicalism and even violence needs to take place for social justice to happen. Fuck that, give me peace, freedom and rule of law.

[BortimusPrime]

(12-24-2017 07:26 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

By the way, did anyone else interpret the Klingons as alpha black men? One thing I've noticed with some sjws (especially white women) is that they can be super racist and fearful when it comes to alpha black men.

It's probably just because Worf was played by a black actor. If they're portraying the Klingons as space white nationalists, I'd assume given total license to redesign the species any way they wanted they'd have gone with some kind of space skinhead.

[questor70]

(12-25-2017 01:36 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

It's probably just because Worf was played by a black actor.

They get double-duty here. They get to crow about diverse casting by hiring more blacks, while bashing white nationalism.

Of course, hiring blacks only because they are perceived as hyper-masculine to the point of animalistic could be seen as racist. But then Burnham and the gay Doctor can balance that out. Every decision seems to need to pass SJW litmus-tests.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(11-01-2017 07:50 AM)Mr. D Wrote:  

What a shame CBS/Paramount didn’t pick up on this:

Just saw the clip. That is gripping age-old proven storytelling.

You won't see this, because it has too little propaganda in it. With all that is going on most people see even a small part of what has to be embedded into a movie. The very thought of masculine men on both sides fighting it out (with a few competent women in addition) - that is a no-go.

I read somewhere that the sheisters went to to court against the Axanar project, so even if they would have raised 200 mio. $, then they would have blocked it.

Frankly this discussion about good movies is almost fruitless. We might as well discuss why we won't get an honest impartial truth-seeking press or media. The same reasons apply - just with fiction it is even more painful, because with the current brainwashing-level it heavily impacts the story making it truly like Nazi or Stalinist propaganda movies.

[Syberpunk]

Star Trek: Discovery - Approx 8 million per episode.
Axanar - Approx 80k for this.

My god the studios really are wasteful and stupid. Once again we see small creators producing better content for far less money, and it's mostly because they love what they are doing and have to rely on quality writing.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Took a look at the new episode and what happened to them. Some fans hoped that they would jump to the main Star Trek storyline with the clean sets etc.

Of course that would make the current STD line the rather negative and sick one.

No - they are SJWs and they double down emerging in a timeline where the HUMAN EMPIRE A RACIST FASCIST MORONIC SHITSHOW:



The fat redhead is now a blonde and the captain after she got ahead by killing her superior in bed! Truly - you can literally jump ahead by slaughtering your superiors while they are sleeping or taking a piss next to you. Michael Burnham also kills her male lieutenant in the show.

Of course the racist humans-only empire has no problem having tons of women serving there and physically having to fight battles against their male counterparts and winning.

When I saw the very concept and saw the Michael Burnham character fighting the man in unarmed hand-to-hand combat (they picked a soyboy of course), then I was laughing hard.



Also why the fuck have they given the actress an unflattering "I-want-to-talk-to-the-manager" haircut?

So the SJW-show turns from bad to worse - much worse. Now the entire galaxy including the Clingons are united against the racist humans who somehow kill each other non-stop, have zero military hierarchy, who kill just for killing fun and are generally how feminists view toxic masculinity I guess.

Any man liking that crap needs to take a look at his balls - they are in a glass right next to him while his wife is getting cuck-fucked by a group of shitlords.