[Constitution45]

Most Eastern European girls in London are very different to what you would actually see in Eastern Europe. They tend to come from lower class backgrounds, and you can see it in there appearance.

I would rate practically anywhere over London when it comes to women. Even going to somewhere like South France for me is a 'pussy paradise' compared to this place.

But saying that I have been able to meet attractive women here despite only going out occasionally due to work. Usually in unlikely places and occasions, but you just have to seize the opportunity in this place.

Including girls but aside from the subject, there is no sense of camaraderie in London. The city is multicultural to a max and then you have to take in considerations, things such as the class system, left wing politics etc. People generally speaking hunker down massively.

I kind of laugh to myself when I hear about people day gaming in places like Elephant and Castle and Stratford. Fair play to them, but from growing up in the city, that would always be a big no go. These areas without students and short term European migrants are subterranean hell holes. I always have in my head that 'day game' or whatever, is best used in romantic continental locations that give off the kind of James Bond vibe. But then again us British are always massively reserved.

[RichieP]

Awesome post Distant Light, thankyou. The lifestyle you've carved in NYC is very possible in London too. Same high-end scenes and dynamics. Different details, but same broad strokes. This is the guy to listen to when it comes to PURE GAME and GOOD VIBES and not relying on $$$ or celeb status to crush it in a capital city.

In the end all the physique/$ stuff just ends up being limiting beliefs. We all know it helps, but any time it becomes an excuse for your lack of results, it's just holding you back.

See what DL has done in a tough capital city with none of that stuff, riding on pure game and social skills, and be inspired.

[Distant Light]

(08-01-2017 06:37 PM)RichieP Wrote:  

Awesome post Distant Light, thankyou. The lifestyle you've carved in NYC is very possible in London too. Same high-end scenes and dynamics. Different details, but same broad strokes. This is the guy to listen to when it comes to PURE GAME and GOOD VIBES and not relying on $$$ or celeb status to crush it in a capital city.

In the end all the physique/$ stuff just ends up being limiting beliefs. We all know it helps, but any time it becomes an excuse for your lack of results, it's just holding you back.

See what DL has done in a tough capital city with none of that stuff, riding on pure game and social skills, and be inspired.

Yep...
- Poorest person in the room (99% of time)
- Lives with parents

Only thing I have going for me is my "consciousness" hahaha

Irony, one of my old clients lives in LONDON and skimming his IG photos seems like he hangs in the "high end" scene there. All major cities has some form of "high end" scene as it's all interconnected.

If that realm was still of interest I'd move towards doing it on a global scale BUT at BEST I'd only hang "part time" (In NY & maybe south of france, ibiza and mykonos occassionally) as different realms I found more FUN for me.

This is why vinny's IG post interest me, would love to see the "behind the scenes" of it all as I'm unable to personally explore its potential. Had I done it back in 2013 when girls kept telling me GET ONE (as well as snapchat) I'd probably have a mini network in all the major cities (London, Milan, Paris, NY, Miami, LA, South Of France)

The fallacy is people thinking it's HARDER or REQUIRES WORK. However, it's kind of like when marketers mention selling $x,xxx products takes as much work as $xx or $xxx products.

The same amount of time people spend running around at some irish pub in Shanghi...Is same amount of time spent where they come across a group who has acccess to more "high end" or luxurious shit. Money & women go hand in hand because the circles and dynamics to attract the money is fabricated by social engineers who know the women.

All it takes is ONE, however back in the day I was an extremist so I went as high as 40-50 different people as well as BEING the same type of GUY. (100-250 women about 8-9x over due to losing phones and not backing up) At that level your going to multiple bdays in a night & literally bombarded with things to do socially or potential "hosting".

What I did...Took NORMAL guys in those realms DECADES. Some of my friends, I knew of (due to NY type nightlife blogs) back when I was underage. One guy in particular ran into me in soho...Told him I was meeting new girls (as I was just starting to get into high end scene and wanted the ability to walk into any club SOLO)

Guy told me I was BRAVE, that he can't do it, his personality can't handle it. This is a guy who's always with 10-20 attractive women. And I'm pretty sure he's same dude I saw years earlier when I was underage in a diner with this stunning girl.

To this day, dude still leads the same sort of life YET he'll always be limited (not that it matters to him as he's comfy in his life and has no desire to expand that, for average dude why would he)

[Pointer]

(08-01-2017 09:44 AM)giama Wrote:  

yeh ima try Holland.

I have had good experiences with french women who were originally from martinique or guadeloupe or seychelles. very good attitudes, warm. Black and mixed curly hair chics. Im going to be exploring cities like Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Berlin. To find these types of chics again.


Girls are more in shape too on the continent. I definitely need to start taking advantage of the location of London.

Londoners grow up with the mentality that nothing good happens in Europe outside of London, and London is the be all and end all of europe. Best women, best scene. slowly ofcourse due to the information age and the internet we realise thats not the case.

UK is literally the worse in Europe for women, lol LITERALLY so time to get on these cheap weekend getaways.

I have heard it said that new yorkers have the same mentality also.

This mentality is common in other countries as well when visiting the capital or a major city. The reality is that many people are too lazy or scared to travel. Also, bear in mind that travelling by itself doesn't do much if you're 24/7 on your phone or with a selfie stick up your ass. Funny sometimes how in hostels when people ask where are you from you hear answers like Germany, France, Belgium and suddenly London or New York. I always joke that I never heard of it.

[Lino]

Guys who are saying guys here are too lazy, there are cities where women are more receptive, less spoiled, this is a fact, not bullshit.

Getting laid shouldn't require to be a kind of James Bond or Indiana Jones, working hard for the pussy, constantly going out and looking for new strategies. I personnally don't want anymore to go out just to get pussy, if an opportunity comes up while I'm doing my things then I'll grab it, but I'm not anymore in the state of mind of " I am a Casanova and will show to all these losers how to get laid", I have other interests in life. We all have a city/country that fits us better. Pretending that every city can be a pussy paradize and that most men are too blind or lazy to realize it is a big lie, or maybe guys who claim it didnt live enough in various parts of the world. Keep it real and realistic guys.

PS: Interaction between men and women should be natural, both are human beings and both like sex, I am very focused on my job and I like it, I consider that pussy isn't something you should work hard for, there are countries where the interaction between men and women is more natural than in other countries, you can't blame people for prefering these places. Again we are talking about just pussy, not a strategy to get rich. For my quality of life I need easy pussy, putting a lot of efforts just to get laid isn't worth it. As a comparison, why would you pay a product super expensive when you can have a better product for half the price somewhere else?

Ps2: continuing with my analogy of the expensive / cheap product, the argument of some of you is that if you work for it you can find in your own city a cheaper and better quality product, that's probably true but the thing to understand is that the process of haunting the better and cheaper product locally also has a cost, some of you enjoy this process, others don't. Going to clubs several times/week, going to art galleries, pre work parties, strip clubs, private parties, god knows what else... your message is basically do all these things and you'll get lot of high quality pussy easily...some guys just don't enjoy doing this, I don't.

[Kieran]

(08-01-2017 05:38 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Quote:

NY STINKS DUDE.

I am from NYC!

After 19 years of NYC I can seriously tell you that NYC is Ghetto, women are psychos, a lot of hood rats out there and recently a lot of entitled ridiculous hipsters from the mid west making places like Brooklyn their playground!

I don't know where in NYC you can find tall Asian supermodels available to the average schmuck like you claim!

Most Asians live in Flushing and they're fresh off boat, non-English speaking, possibly illegally in the country, women wise for the most middle aged Asian women (the types that work at nail salons)

As far as Latinas. You have pockets of Colombians, Brazilians, Argentines mostly around Long Island or New Jersey but they are small number wise and mostly found if you head into their enclaves.

Latina wise the city is dominated by ghetto puerto rican and dominican hood rats with African features. IT'S NOT BRAZIL OR COLOMBIA when it comes to Latinas!

As far as White women, I rather go to London for this one where at least you have plenty of East European migrants!

White women in NYC are the poster child of everything that is gross about American women. Feminazis, entitled, over educated, in debt, sex in the city wannabe losers!

NYC is one of the most overrated places on this planet!

London sucks, but to claim NYC is great. PLEASE

Lived in NY for...28 Years hahaha...

You're response sounds like the typical "All girls in high end scene are scum posers & gold diggers" #YeaOk

Same dudes who mark a city as "tough to get laid" yet somehow babies are still being born in said city...

Re-read my post I clearly highlight "high end" scene which IS VASTLY DIFFERENT from the norm making NY still favorable in terms of women. (Although I think high end scene quality has tanked BUT for average person unaware it would be fine)

Also you clearly don't know of the "sub-cultures" within NY...
- Tall Asians (High End Scene)
- Curvy Latina (HipHop Strip Clubs...Think Lust NY) queens has alot of clubs where SOUTH AMERICAN latinas go to (High end scene my boy has invited some top notch mexicans)
- Asians (Circle Nightclub...better have connect as generally asians only are let in) beyond flushing...K-Town

Usually I ignore people who cry about feminazis, hoodrats, hipstere, etc...As it's all PROJECTIONS.
When comes to social encounters all that political & geographical BS goes out the door...People just wanna have FUN.

NY is a huge city & diverse, from loft stripper "house parties" to deep house warehouse parties. There are only so few cities you can go from hanging at a table "bottle service" style...To tripping at a psytrance party less than 24hrs later.

Also all I hear is girls girls girls...Beyond GIRLS NY (like london) is a world class city. That isn't hype...

Thing people fail to realize is REGARDLESS OF GIRLS...Pick a city you like and be connected to 50 STUNNING CHICKS within that city and I'm sure any city would be deemed great.

Dudes on here are TOO LAZY to make their life experiences better within their city.

Yes I agree for most NY would seem shitty but that's just due to being LAZY. You like attractive artsy chicks, go to "The Blond"...Nightlife is for scums? Go fill your off-days in daytime with social events...
- There is a monthly dance party in the day where no alcohol is served (started as a pre-work party 6am to 8am)
- Go to art galleries (Walked right into one when I was 19 in acting school...Met 2 late 20s chicks who haven't seen each other in ages because 1 lived in upper eastside and other downtown)
- After work events at the more high end venues

Most people in the "hood" don't venture out, the fact that some parts are getting more gentrified is why you'll see potential mixture...I'd go as far as saying NY is one of the safer world class cities.

NOTE: I grew up in east new york (right next to brownsville) I've concluded fearmongering is generally that FEAR...There are many parts of even Syria where normal life still occurs and has seen little if any conflict. Doesn't mean 100% is dangerous.

Issue with speaking about cities & this site is that TOO MUCH EMPHASIS is on women, how they look, how easy it is to fuck...All shit that is irrelevant if you're THAT GUY and/or have competency to build shit up.

Any city can be a solid...What a city comes down to is your area of interests. It's insane when I read stuff about guys going to bumblefuck rural town hearing it was a pussy paradise BORED OUT THERE MIND so they chase chicks all day and/or complain about political BS.

P.S...I've been around many girls who would be considered feminazis. You know what? When you're a level headed dude who's just out living & enjoying life letting all "live and let live"...No one seems to give a fuck or PROJECT BS. You teach peoole how you want them to interact in your presence. Those same so called hoodrats are open to having a moment of laughter or willing to help when you're not living in a world of judging and assuming all sorts of shit.

P.S.S...I have yet to meet any well travelled person who said NY was overrated & that's because the options within the city is VAST...I myself had culture shock only knowing NY, thinking when I landed in prague "holy shit, this is a city? The vibe is soo much more chill/calm". I swear certain places were open when the workers "feel like it" and when I searched for psytrance, I found 1 potential spot for that weekend. When I read datasheets to figure out "what spots to check out" lets just say 90% were JUNK bottomfeeding PUA "find girls here"...Yet meeting locals I learnt of areas outside of Old Town & touristy James Dean...I have a of potential underground parties going on within the week & learn in one neighborhood has the biggest stretch of bars. Once again 90% of people going to prague wouldn't know, all they see is a clocktower & the touristy yet local food spots.

End of the day, most dudes are lazy just looking for a nut. Hard to take their recommendations. I've explored more than enough of NY to say I've only scratched the surface of niches I ENJOY. Yet, there is sooo much more going on.

Brilliant post. All that focus on politics and feminism just hurts instead of helps. It's good to have a background awareness of how the system is stacked against men and whatever, but when out in nightlife being positive and open, having fun, and being willing to connect with people is the way to go and opens doors. Personally I genuinely love nightlife (a bit too much as my drinking can get out of control) and meeting people, but I can see how people that don't would prefer to just go to the developing world where meeting girls doesn't take quite so much effort and they can pursue other interests.

On sub-cultures all that applies to London too. There's energy in these big cities like London and NYC and things being created. Like Grime isn't my thing at all, but at least it's a 100% homegrown youth sub-culture taking place. People aren't as dead in their minds, or closed off in their tastes in these cities as they are in a lot of smaller places, and you can find pretty much every genre of music and events to suit all interests.

[Kieran]

(08-01-2017 03:43 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 03:40 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Giama I'm white but mixed black and white girls are my main thing. I also go for a lot of black and Indian girls. Sometimes white girls if they take my fancy. I game in all environments because I have quite a few social circles with different tastes; from dancehall and other 'urban' events, to typical trendy cocktail bars, gastro-pubs, and lounges, and even indie clubs. Most girls I end up with are mixed Caribbean and white, or if black then Caribbean - only banged a few African girls and they weren't Nigerian, so I don't have much experience with them. Went to an Afrobeats event a few times because of friends and girls weren't very receptive there.

When we talk about relationships a lot of these girls tell me they're open to white guys but never get approached by them so that maybe works in my favour because I've been moving to girls in those circles since I was a kid so to me it's normal.

Now I'm not banging 8 plus on a weekly basis or anything but at least a few times a year and other than that I get pretty good quality regularly (I'm dirty though so I'll bang lower quality as well). I also find London easier and get better quality than in my own city (Birmingham).

Which parts of London are most receptive?

It doesn't matter where. Nowhere is receptive just by me being there - I'm nothing special. I have to follow my process and go out feeling excited about who I'm going to meet and what's going to happen - like I'll be having pre-drinks and playing music loud, having jokes with the boys to get in the right frame of mind, then we get to a venue and it's more fun and jokes with the staff, door staff, girls. I know my early approaches are going to be awful so I get them out the way and get warmed up, and somewhere along the night I know results will come. Any venue within reason. What I'm saying is that the quality I get in London is better than in most other cities I've been to.

[RichieP]

(08-02-2017 01:42 AM)Lino Wrote:  

Going to clubs several times/week, going to art galleries, pre work parties, strip clubs, private parties, god knows what else... your message is basically do all these things and you'll get lot of high quality pussy easily...some guys just don't enjoy doing this, I don't.

That's totally fair enough, but at the same time -- are there really any easy high-quality girls, anywhere?

I've travelled ALOT and in every city I've been to, it's the same story for the 8+ girls with awesome personality: never easy to get, and you need to compete with the best. Applies to the developed world, dirt poor third-world cities, and everything in between, IME.

I personally want an educated girl with an awesome personality, cute face and banging body. They just do not come easily... the world just seems to work that way.

Every city, even capitals of third-world african or asian countries has the same "high end" dynamics - rich/connected/celeb guys, tight social circles, etc - so you have to compete.

I agree it *should* be natural and easy, but this is the world we live in - winner takes all. To get top 10% girls you need to be a top 10% guy.

I do agree there are places where 7's fall into your lap much easier than London/NYC. But 8+'s... not seeing it, and I've been around. Each to their own though and I guess it comes down to the level of effort you want to put in and the rewards you're looking for.

[Kieran]

^ Exactly. I was in Bangkok 4 years and never once saw a foreigner with true top tier. True 7s yeah, and that's a good standard, but even that I can count on one hand and I went out min 5 times a week.

[IamLegend]

I've gamed nyc.. it was great logistics, women everywhere.... Still didn't pull anything but bars/lounges/clubs and high approach numbers are the way to go in nyc...

I honestly felt with more time I could make things happen. If I lived there, I would have crazy high #s.. most women i encountered wanted more than a ONS, and I wasn't interested in the ones who were about that action.... i absolutely love Washington Heights, Inwood and the Bronx.. I wish most women had personalities similar to nyc.. Some ppl don't like nyc girls but I always click well with most of them.. Im a direct realist and so are they

Anyway, I think London would be better for gaming. I brought sand to the beach on my London trip but the responses I got from women (especially when I opened my mouth) had me feeling like a male model or something. Lol

Im a blk male, late 20s.. from America... They don't see that often so I had an exotic factor going on.

Central London seemed way better as far as logistics. Women were everywhere (but not as attractive as nyc) and it seemed like everything was at most a 15min walk from Picadally (sorry if spelling is wrong).

Plus drinking age is 18 so you see a much younger crowd partying and getting loose... I've been trying hard to get my homies to get their passport and come to london with me.

I also find approaching girls easier bc the accent different. I love to hear them talk and they like to hear me...

[Rossi]

This is useless, really.

New York means Manhattan for me. Manhattan is the greatest place on the earth for me. I wouldn't swap any city over Manhattan. I lived 7 years there and I had a blast.

Only thing is that it's not a good place if you make around $100k per year. You need minimum $200k to live comfortably. I did make close to that number when I was living in New York but I had to work +15 hours a day and I couldn't really handle it more than 3 years.

If you have a job that can land you $200k, Manhattan is the best place in the world.

I'd rather live in Manhattan with $200k, than living in London with $400k.

[IamLegend]

Same here... If money was no option, I'd choode to live in Manhattan all day and tomorrow. London is s cool place to visit but I'd rather live in the world's greatest city

[Distant Light]

@Lino
- Even if TRUE some places are slay cities wouldn't that mean a guy who grows in more unfavorable cities will result in IMMENSE "charity work" via sexual experiences? So what is really lost? Guys wanting to take shortcuts going where girls value them because of some external/cultural factors. (I say this because although my past client NEVER DID ANYTHING the amount of offers he was getting in a middle eastern country...proves beyond the facade were all humans)

- Who says you gotta go out putting in EFFORT to get laid? Since march 2012 I have never reverted back to chasing/trying for chicks...Blame the dogma of the community givinf you perspectives & processes revolving around "distractions"

- You got me on that "little travel" aspect BUT know too many peeps & clients who live elsewhere that essentially have the same EASE...Along with so much time to focus on actual brillance of life...

- Only difference between a big city & a rural town is "opportunity". Rural town it's likely YOU MUST BUILD & bring people together. Big cities, there is probably some connectors or businesses/brands who have formed niches of social boxes so all you need to do is show up. (A spot like mykonos is already built on partying & having fun. All you have to do is arrive and go to social events. Some 3rd tier euro town won't already have it PRE-MADE, yet what is stopping you from bringing 4-5 girls together for a little house party type fun on a wednesday afternoon? Guys are already running around like headless chickens, yet they'd say "inviting 4-5 girls for a collab home cooked dinner party is just TOO MUCH WORK"

- Sex isn't a "product/service" unless you do P4P...Issue is guys are looking at this selfishly as "Ima get mine" complete disregard for the woman beyond being a doable "fuckdoll"...Thisbis why many people are so inconsistent.

It's NOT work to build, it's actually far easier than "traditional" PUA/Community philosophies...

Guy does 30 approaches TRYING to fuck, even if good/competent he exchange info with 15...

Now he's trying to WORK THE PHONE to setup a date...He has to now skip the gym, cut back on work, speed read his latest book for the week all so he can go on his "date".

Maybe she flakes, now he's pissed...Clever guys learnt to book time slots or double/triple to avoid such situations.

So 1/3 of the girls he can't get a date...
Sunday = 3 dates
Monday = 3 dates
Tuesday = 4 dates

That's already alot of time JUST TRYING TO FUCK. Each day he ends up getting laid so sex 3x for the week, congrats...Whole week was spent focused on getting 3 sexual encounters.

Meanwhile other dude from airport to airbnb...Exploring the city & runninf errands. He meets 5 potentially cool chicks who are down for his "welcoming party" as he just arrived 1 day ago.

4 of 5 chicks are DOWN for friday night "welcoming party". All 4 chicks brings 1 friend. You now spent 1 day with 8 girls and can pre-screen to see who fits your criteria and where they'd temporarily fit for your time in this city.

Each chick already told their friend about the foreigner who's having a welcoming party and seemed cool. 4 girls you never met are already anticipating meeting you.

If you are amongst 8 chicks who are hanging with you and can't get laid...That's your issue NOT lack of girls. However, the perk is while other PUA type thinks he's a pimp booking all those dates..

You have mon, tues, wed...To do WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT. Go on a 3 day hike for all I know because on friday you'll be having a blast, meet NEW girls, and lock-in alot of potential sexual experiences for the coming week.

PUA guy has no time for a 3-day hike he's pimping it on dates!! Dropping all his habits for a potential night of sex.

...In actuality, rare you'll meet a guy who meets 30 women in a day, far less 15 #s. Again it's just the fact of general/mainstream community philosophy & processes.

Like I stated in my other post...My boy in taiwan met a guy who owns a modeling agency...Now he is amongst EE models. All it took was 1 night, 1 connect, multitude of potential.

Go ask him to go run some daygame & setup dates...

NOTE: I and I'm sure others aren't saying you have to go to xyz...Try getting me to go to a random hip hop party with just us 2, it better be the only club open in the whole city. (I'd fo to a place with good music and 10 people over a hip hop party with 200) Point I'm making if it ain't your THING then don't bother BUT also don't complain about the probabilities. You can't expect to stumbleupon fish in a desert...You need to adapt to increase probabilities...

Guy isn't into daygame either? (One of those proclaimed "online game is the truth" peeps?) When I didn't go out in night game my staples...Makeup Shop, high traffic around luxury brands, all girl stores, supermarker...

The amount of excuses I used to hear back then BUT in this case compliant is dislike for nightlife so just how much are you willing to limit probabilities...

Reason I see daygame as only a supplement or "starter for more" is because there aren't many realms where you will see boatloads of mildly attractive women all in one place.

Better plug in an audiobook and sit at the shopping mall for HOURS just even hope to catch sight of a decent amount of mildly attractive women.

I'll close with, the day I realized how much better my life was. On a saturday I could choose...
- Go to manhattan and do daygame from 2pm to 10pm running around trying to find decent women
- Go to a brunch party at 3pm and be amongst 8 or more attractive women just at my table (Many times more attractice than what I'd find scouring the streets for 8 hours) + all the other women who can get the chance to meet me

Keep in mind, I never socialized at the intensity I did back in my RSD Days. Had I done that mixed with how I go about things now...I might as well open my own club hahaha. I could meet 60+ women in the daytime in 1 day back in ny RSD days...

That for me now would mean a drastic shift in my social life in 1 day...I wouldn't have to cold approach for the rest of the month if I so chose. However, most PUA processes is like filling a bucket with a leak. If they ever stop chasing chicks they're gonna hit a dry spell

P.S...Reading your post I notice you too agree with efficiency over everything. Alot of my issues is laziness towards objective efficiency. Guys complain about effort they're putting in BUT fail to have a processes that makes things efficient.

P.S.S...I hope to explore, uncover & debunk alot of travel related things in the coming years...Prague was a good test run socially BUT due to constraints in monogamy couldn't crack sexual dogmas despite the experiences dangling infront of me...One thing for sure my life in that city would be JUST AS SICK as my life 2011-2013 YET different. ("not some high end fantasyland") Since having a gf I have stopped everything besides the occassional "hey" visit to connector friends still in that realm...2.5 years & that realm still sits there based off 1-month of being proactive in 2011. (Just today my boy invited me to a table & pregame at a karaoke spot) Same would/should apply with "city hopping".

[hljp3]

(07-29-2017 10:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^How can you say that Manhattan wins hands down when you haven't even been there.

Not to call out names, but a lot of the forum dudes in NYC travel to Europe quite often.

Having good logistics is half the battle, but to live 5-10 minutes from a club in Manhattan is very expensive. Pretty much on par to London.

Everyday some girl is moving to London, the variety is amazing.

My mates are always asking me when I am coming back and they love to rub it in, how many EE girls are in London.

Most London guys would never dream of moving away.

Where are you finding these EE girls in London, especially in night game? I would be very interested to know...

[rudebwoy]

I don't live there anymore, but I still miss it for the social scene.

EE girls are everywhere there, you don't have to go out at night to meet them.