[rudebwoy]

^How can you say that Manhattan wins hands down when you haven't even been there.

Not to call out names, but a lot of the forum dudes in NYC travel to Europe quite often.

Having good logistics is half the battle, but to live 5-10 minutes from a club in Manhattan is very expensive. Pretty much on par to London.

Everyday some girl is moving to London, the variety is amazing.

My mates are always asking me when I am coming back and they love to rub it in, how many EE girls are in London.

Most London guys would never dream of moving away.

[Nowak]

(07-29-2017 10:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^How can you say that Manhattan wins hands down when you haven't even been there.

Not to call out names, but a lot of the forum dudes in NYC travel to Europe quite often.

Having good logistics is half the battle, but to live 5-10 minutes from a club in Manhattan is very expensive. Pretty much on par to London.

Everyday some girl is moving to London, the variety is amazing.

My mates are always asking me when I am coming back and they love to rub it in, how many EE girls are in London.

Most London guys would never dream of moving away.

London is overall much more livable as well than NYC. Less 3rd world standards of infrastructure and waist disposal.

[worldtraveler3]

How many people here actually are paying for a 1 bed or studio for $2-3k a month in central London or NYC?

Those of you saying London night life is great do you live close to the action? How much you pay for rent? How much is it compared to your salary?
I would think more people would live in mid or downtown manhattan as salary in the US are a lot higher comparatively and you still have some disposable income after rent.

Why are people so negative about London?

[Rossi]

(07-29-2017 11:24 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

How many people here actually are paying for a 1 bed or studio for $2-3k a month in central London or NYC?

Those of you saying London night life is great do you live close to the action? How much you pay for rent? How much is it compared to your salary?
I would think more people would live in mid or downtown manhattan as salary in the US are a lot higher comparatively and you still have some disposable income after rent.

Why are people so negative about London?

I did pay $4k for a studio in Manhattan for almost 3 years in Upper East Side. I'm also living (on and off) in right by Hyde Park. I will be there again for 45 days starting from September.

New York is a lot better than London in almost every aspect. Only positive thing I see about London is that where it's located. You can go to anywhere in Europe with very reasonable price and very short trip.

[rudebwoy]

^You do realize $4K per month is around 3K pounds per month.

I can get a superfly apartment in London, close to the action with change in my pocket.

That would put me walking distance from Oxford Street (Oxford Circus), which is pretty much game over. The ideal spot for me would be a bit west of there, maybe Notting Hill.

I could pretend I was posh and live in Sloane square, Chelsea or Kensington.

[Rossi]

(07-29-2017 01:56 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^You do realize $4K per month is around 3K pounds per month.

I can get a superfly apartment in London, close to the action with change in my pocket.

That would put me walking distance from Oxford Street (Oxford Circus), which is pretty much game over. The ideal spot for me would be a bit west of there, maybe Notting Hill.

I could pretend I was posh and live in Sloane square, Chelsea or Kensington.

My cousin pays 3.200 actually for his Kensington flat. I'm living there whenever I go. I didn't understand your point. I wasn't comparing apartment prices between 2 cities.

I was comparing which city is better than the other. You can get an apartment in London for 8,000 as far as I'm concerned but city sucks. It has nothing to do with where you live much.

I've banged a lot more girls in Vilnius with €400 per month apartment than 3,200 apartment in Kensington.

[Moma]

(07-29-2017 02:57 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

My cousin pays 3.200 actually for his Kensington flat. I'm living there whenever I go. I didn't understand your point. I wasn't comparing apartment prices between 2 cities.

I was comparing which city is better than the other. You can get an apartment in London for 8,000 as far as I'm concerned but city sucks. It has nothing to do with where you live much.

I've banged a lot more girls in Vilnius with €400 per month apartment than 3,200 apartment in Kensington.

What do you like to do in general? This would determine how much the city sucks?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Is anyone here actually living and fucking regularly in London? Or in New York? Because I know guys who live in the NYC and fuck regularly well and good.
And I know guys who live or lived in London with massive Game and who do much better in Eastern Europe - and they are not poor. (not rich either)
Yes - there is a lot of immigration now in London and that can help since quite a few numbers are women, but I seriously doubt that the gender ratios have improved recently - it is still crap compared to Budapest, Prague or Warsaw. The gender ratio in NYC however - that is seriously slanted to the female side as probably the only city in the US. As a man with Game you can fuck your way through the city.

Don't jizz on a city if you have not lived there for at least several months and have been there fucking in the trenches. Touristy experiences and some smiles of girls you got do not count.

Since I have not lived in those cities recently - my stints there are too long ago to count, I won't be making judgments myself except an assessment of me tourist and based on what I know from Game-savvy friends and Red Pill guys.

[Summa]

I live and fuck regularly in NYC.

I went to London once for work and I would avoid it like the plague.

If you are coming from NYC it is a big step down. There are TONS of Indians, nasty Swarthy girls, and low end EE girls. The white girls there have this nasty Kim Kardashian/Jody Marsh that they try and shoot for.

Its unnecessary expensive. There is no 24/7 metro. The food is terrible. The people and culture are just gross. Disgusting pigs littering their beautiful city every weekend night all over.

Never did I feel that urbane London that I knew and see in teh movies. It was just a constant clusterfuck of people that I did not want to be around.

No one is fucking British there. Too many low class Europeans and Euro-trash.

EDIT:

People do love London. But I think the majority of people are coming from some shit small town in Europe and never have been to the big cities. But once you live/visit other metropolises, there is no reason a single man should ever want to move and live in London.

[Heart Break Kid]

I do feel like New York is just the slightly better version of London. I'm not really sure why someone would pick London over NYC. The argument that you can leave England to another country doesn't sound very convincing, if anything that kinda supports London isn't that great.

Not that I wouldn't mind living in London, but if I am paying outrageous rent I might as well stay in NYC, plus there's more money to be made in NY.

[Kieran]

I prefer London nightlife over New York nightlife by miles.

[bulldog]

I would go with NY. Not even a question.

[Rossi]

(07-29-2017 04:26 PM)Moma Wrote:  

What do you like to do in general? This would determine how much the city sucks?

Very easy.

(-) London is more expensive than New York.

(-) I hate English culture and living style.

(-) City is run by Pakistani, Indian and Arabs.

(-) I hate British accent.

(-) Weather sucks.

(-) No good cuisine.

(-) Very low percentage of hot girls. Guys compete crazy to get them.

My negative list can go long way.

(+) Location is great. You can go anywhere in Europe very cheaply.

(+) I like football, England is a big football country.

So, in the end, when I compare the (-) and (+) against New York. New York win by far.

[RichieP]

(07-29-2017 04:45 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Is anyone here actually living and fucking regularly in London? Or in New York? Because I know guys who live in the NYC and fuck regularly well and good.
And I know guys who live or lived in London with massive Game and who do much better in Eastern Europe - and they are not poor. (not rich either)

You're confusing issues: London vs NYC, and London vs EE.

EE is of course easier than London. Latin America is also easier for NYC residents than NYC -- it's just further away. The proximity of London to EE is an advantage, if anything.

Back to London vs NYC:

Gender ratio is a bit better in NYC, and arguably quality -- but London is still a world-class city with plenty of awesome girls. A guy with decent game should be able to regularly pull 7s/sometimes pull 8s there.

Higher than that and you have to put in serious work, as in NYC.

[Llama Deam]

I would go with London, simply because it would be something new for you. I lived in both New York and London; the only advantage London had over New York was the plethora of Eastern European girls, location, and better infrastructure. Other than that, New York is better. Be warned though, white British woman are at the bottom of the barrel, avoid them at all cost and focus on foreign girls.

[godzilla]

I've only passed through London a few times so can't really comment on the game aspect of it but London overall is a nicer cleaner city. The downside is its a lot more spread out.

I think the big advantage from switching from an American job to a European one is the vacation time. Right now, you probably get 10 days off but in London I believe its a mandatory 25 days vacation.

[Vicious]

I don't understand how it has to be either or. I've done well in both cities. The mistake a lot of people make when talking about NYC is that they're actually referring to Manhattan.

So while Manhattan wins hands down versus London, NYC versus London is a far closer race. London has more livable areas which makes living costs for the latter more bearable. You'll have much more play living in Hoxton than you'd have living in Queens for example.

With that said I'd still give NYC the edge but it's nowhere near as cut and dry as some make it out to be and I'm saying that as someone that has written novels on this forum about fucking in NYC.

[Lino]

(07-29-2017 11:35 PM)Summa Wrote:  

I live and fuck regularly in NYC.

I went to London once for work and I would avoid it like the plague.

If you are coming from NYC it is a big step down. There are TONS of Indians, nasty Swarthy girls, and low end EE girls. The white girls there have this nasty Kim Kardashian/Jody Marsh that they try and shoot for.

Its unnecessary expensive. There is no 24/7 metro. The food is terrible. The people and culture are just gross. Disgusting pigs littering their beautiful city every weekend night all over.

Never did I feel that urbane London that I knew and see in teh movies. It was just a constant clusterfuck of people that I did not want to be around.

No one is fucking British there. Too many low class Europeans and Euro-trash.

EDIT:

People do love London. But I think the majority of people are coming from some shit small town in Europe and never have been to the big cities. But once you live/visit other metropolises, there is no reason a single man should ever want to move and live in London.

I couldnt say it better.

I am in London since last october, had my flat in november and since then I fucked 18 girls, rated between 5 and 9. All of them with daygame or online game.
Looks like the majority of immigrants are low class europeans who were starving in their homeland and feel they made it because they are in London.

I am paying 1800£ for a 1 bedroom in South Quay. Nothing happening there but it's walking distance from work which for me is a huge advantage.

I could get a flat somewhere more central but I would have to take the packed tube every morning and live in the middle of stinky polluted streets, that's beyond my strength.

I lived in different parts of France, Sweden, Germany, Holland...London is for me one of the worst places.

The paradox is that I get laid, but absolutely none of them were girl friend material, most of the girls here are vulgar, entitled, demanding and they have terrible attitudes.
The only girls I like here are the latina who just arrived in London, they are still feminine and caring, that's when you need to catch them, after a couple of months they become aware of their value here and quickly adopt the same shitty attitudes as the others.

I don't know if this will help the OP, let's say with some game and a central flat you'll get laid without problems with cute girls, there are girls from almost everywhere in the world but girls are just a parameter in the equation, not sure you'll like the city, culture and people...

[Summa]

Not true.

"You'll have much more play living in Hoxton than you'd have living in Queens for example. "

Both Queens and Brooklyn are wayyy more dense than Hoxton/Shoreditch.

What part of Queens are you comparing? It is a huge place. So is it Jamaica vs. Hoxton or Astoria vs. Hoxton?

[Lino]

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[Vicious]

(07-30-2017 03:34 PM)Summa Wrote:  

Not true.

"You'll have much more play living in Hoxton than you'd have living in Queens for example. "

Both Queens and Brooklyn are wayyy more dense than Hoxton/Shoreditch.

What part of Queens are you comparing? It is a huge place. So is it Jamaica vs. Hoxton or Astoria vs. Hoxton?

These are called examples. If you count heads are there more people in Queens? Yes, but that's missing the point. Live in Queens and you're not going to be pulling from Manhattan. Live in Hoxton and you can pull from just about all of London.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-30-2017 03:17 PM)Lino Wrote:  

I couldnt say it better.

I am in London since last october, had my flat in november and since then I fucked 18 girls, rated between 5 and 9. All of them with daygame or online game.
Looks like the majority of immigrants are low class europeans who were starving in their homeland and feel they made it because they are in London.

I am paying 1800£ for a 1 bedroom in South Quay. Nothing happening there but it's walking distance from work which for me is a huge advantage.

I could get a flat somewhere more central but I would have to take the packed tube every morning and live in the middle of stinky polluted streets, that's beyond my strength.

I lived in different parts of France, Sweden, Germany, Holland...London is for me one of the worst places.

The paradox is that I get laid, but absolutely none of them were girl friend material, most of the girls here are vulgar, entitled, demanding and they have terrible attitudes.
The only girls I like here are the latina who just arrived in London, they are still feminine and caring, that's when you need to catch them, after a couple of months they become aware of their value here and quickly adopt the same shitty attitudes as the others.

I don't know if this will help the OP, let's say with some game and a central flat you'll get laid without problems with cute girls, there are girls from almost everywhere in the world but girls are just a parameter in the equation, not sure you'll like the city, culture and people...

When they change so fast, then you know that the gender ratios are terrible.

18 girls between 5 and 9 - hopefully the 5s are not overweight 4s that no one with a stick would touch in EE.

It is not by coincidence that modern Game developed in either highly competitive destinations like (LA and Washington DC) or places with a high turnover of girls so that men could exercise their craftsmanship (NYC - London being more a mix of LA and NYC).

Whenever you see a city you have to be aware of other factors - it is not enough that the hot girls are there, but an important point is - are those girls outnumbered 2-3 to 1 in London?

Quote:

Although the two biggest hotspots for single men are in the capital, with 155 men per 100 women in the City of London, and 126 men per 100 women in the borough of Newham

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...80725.html

Look - and even those data - those sheisters take into account women from ages 18 to fucking 64!!!!!!!!!!!! As if anyone cares what the women do past 40 and childless.

I estimate that the numbers of single women vs single men in London between the ages of 18-30 are 250 to 100. If you deduct the single mothers, then it might be roughly 300+ to 100.

30 of those men get laid with 50 of those women in their prime, but still - many women have enormous options.

Even the official government numbers of New York City are overwhelmingly for men - and those numbers cannot be overstated, because the difference is simply gargantuan due to the fact that you also have plenty of aspiring actresses, models, tourists adding to the sea of women in NYC:

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/vit...able01.htm

Quote:

New York City
Age Total Male Female
18-19226,759114,464112,295
20-24642,585312,967329,618
25-29730,190348,048382,142
30-34662,255320,497341,758

The West is such a thirsty drought due to men outnumbering women.

Roosh in a recent visit I think a year ago noted that he would likely get laid equally well in NYC vs Poland.

London would not even compare, though London has probably the sluttiest girls around, the odds are simply not in your favor.

[worldtraveler3]

The main argument I am hearing for London is that it is close to other part of Europe and you are able to hop on a plane for weekend trips,
But if you are paying more money (and time)to just get out of London why not just move to a better place? These trips aren't cheap (hotel, flights etc), having to pay them on top of the high living costs in London.

[thedarkknight]

I'm returning in August to London. I studied there. Kinda apprehensive to be honest. I remember the negatives.

(1) Narcissistic personalities particularly the women
(2) way too leftist
(3) very poor social cohesion between ethnic groups who just splinter off into their own ethnic enclaves
(4) English motherfucker, do you speak it?
(5) Stereotypes which are reinforced due to real world experience...sadly
(6) Crime. Muggings, acid and terrorist attacks...take your pick

Oh shit, why am I coming back?

TDK

[manuel-86]

Neither one. I'd use London as a base to travel to the rest of Europe.

NYC you're stuck in North America with the fat women we got here.

London at least is escapable!

However London is sterile (A bunch of gentrified neighborhoods pretending to be really cool because a bunch of Eurotrash, and hipsters live there. Nowadays plenty of glass all over the place making the city look like some North American big town.)

The English are American wannabes. (This is one of the things I can stand the least about the English, they are absolutely infatuated with the US and I cannot stand the US, I am an American now living in Canada, the news talk non-stop about the US, restaurants emulate the US, politics are half the time about the US, even the British at times imitate so much the Americans you at times forget you're speaking with British people and not average Americans).

Generic restaurants, bars, and so on.

Horrible entitled people.

Expensive.

Horrible weather.

Crappy beaches, if you get some sunny weather forget about going to the beach.

The men are pompous beta punks. (You'll come across plenty of them in their tight suits, eating their vegetarian meals at the closest salad bar while staring into their phones)

East London is a dump full of Pakistani muslims. (I got nothing against Pakistanis nor muslims but living all around them is not my ideal of a good place to be)

West london is expensive, tacky, and full of self important people.

I do not know I just dont like the UK!