[kavi]

I remember when Roosh came to London to give his talk and at that point RvF and the Manoshpere seemed relevant and cutting edge. I posted his Canada 'Victory' video to my friends (who are all Muslims) just because of the coolness and macho factor of it.

Since then this place has taken a turn.

Just look at this thread, it was another terrorist incident such as we've seen countless already yet the thread had already reached a large number of pages consisting of nothing but basic muslim-bashing with little or no orignal commentary until Excelsor stepped in and it became about something else.

Many of the things this forum pushed for happened - Trump, Brexit, end of SJWs etc but now it seems this 'movement' is running out of original ideas and is just becoming a sounding board for White Christian ethnocentrism.

People here pushed for Trump, they pushed for Brexit. But what now? I dont see any new ideas or real cultural insight.

Is the new vision a total removal of Muslims from Europe/America followed and re-instatement of a White Christian culture, something like the 1950s perhaps? Well, thats not happening.

I think the recent political victories for this place has caused it to lose focus on the larger cultural sphere where I think it has greatest value.

When Samseu states that
"the elevation of non-whites is at the expense of whites"
How exactly am I supposed to take that? Does he perhaps mean that I should be thankful to white people in the street, perhaps give them priority when driving or make way for them when they pass in the street?

I dont want to get into a discussion about what race is the best. My personal opinion is that my race is the best, but others may have different views. IQ tests are bullshit. It's highly unlikely in my opinion that the average brit is (noticeably) smarter than the average Indian/Pakistani. Those tests are skewed by education and culture.

[ziggystardust]

Quote:

Does he perhaps mean that I should be thankful to white people in the street, perhaps give them priority when driving or make way for them when they pass in the street?

Yes, actually.

[Horus]

(06-12-2017 03:55 PM)kavi Wrote:  

IQ tests are bullshit.

Tell that to all the militaries which use IQ tests to judge to potential competence of new recruits.

[kavi]

I mean it is bullshit when comparing populations from different countries.

Btw, i got 130 when I first took one but that didnt land me in Goldman Sachs.

[ziggystardust]

You know, after decades of white-shaming, which have kicked into overdrive the past 5-10 years, it has sort of forced people into taking a stance like this on something that should not even have been an issue if people just minded their own business. Race is not something I've achieved so nothing to be proud or ashamed of, but if you force people to take shame by association, then by extension you should expect those same people to take pride by association, and white people were the instigators of most of the achievements that make the modern world, technology and freedom possible. On that token, a lot of races, especially blacks living in the west, should be kissing our feet.

[GlobalMan]

This thread is about the cancer that is Islam - an ideology which clearly stands in determined, outspoken, threatening and often violent opposition to every other religion and affects people of all races in a way that no other religion does currently.

This has nothing remotely to do with IQ tests, White Supremacy, African American issues, "Racism", "Bigotry", etc.

If dudes take issue with certain posters ideology or posting history then take it up with them personally.

But to even suggest that criticism of Islam must be rooted in bigotry or racism is laughable and intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Kavi - you argued extensively that there is no difference between Islam and Christianity. Now you say that it does not matter whether a country is Pakistan with an average IQ of 85 or Japan with 105. It will be alright, all cultures are equal, all religions are equal. I guess the Australian Aboriginals with an IQ under 70 are also equal to Germans who peg at over 105 if it comes to the natives only. They are absolutely identical.

By the way - the new IQ tests are non-verbal, but certain usage of brain patterns improves IQs slightly - you may edge up 5-10 points unless you do too many of them, so that the results are skewed.

Your arguments especially concerning Islam are leading directly to darkness incarnate. You may consider yourself an atheist and that is the next point - this strange union of atheists and Islamists - sewn to the hip.

Go ahead and try making Somalis into the next South Koreans. I'll give you 20 mio. Somalis and you make the new superpower out of them. I will take 20 mio. South Koreans and we will see who is better off after 20 years when given the same resources. You are an ignorant relativist who does not even understand the difference in mental patterns of Islam and Christianity. Most "Christians" are not even that believing Christians, they just like the basic frame just like most Japanese are actually more or less atheists, but like the frame and the customs of shintoism. Islam - that is a whole different shitshow. Only because we are united with it against feminism, then this does not mean jack shit.

Also I might add - the discussion was diverted by the likes of Excelsior to the evil of White powers and them being guilty for all the terror and mayhem happening by Muslims. So essentially any critique of nail-bombing Muslims is very happily instantly diverted towards critique of Christians, White Supremacists etc. Never mind the hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants who rape, kill and assault their way through Europe. It is the evil evil White Supremacists who are truly fucking up the world.

[thedarkknight]

(06-12-2017 04:19 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

This thread is about the cancer that is Islam - an ideology which clearly stands in determined, outspoken, threatening and often violent opposition to every other religion and affects people of all races in a way that no other religion does currently.

This has nothing remotely to do with IQ tests, White Supremacy, African American issues, "Racism", "Bigotry", etc.

I don't know how it spiralled into this. It's clearly an American thing because that country definitely has a fascination with it.....

[MMX2010]

Kavi Wrote:

Many of the things this forum pushed for happened - Trump, Brexit, end of SJWs etc but now it seems this 'movement' is running out of original ideas and is just becoming a sounding board for White Christian ethnocentrism.

Why not comment on my previous post about Jordan Peterson and Christianity?

Then, tell how 85-IQ Muslims will rapidly adopt the Individual Is Sacrosanct ethos that fundamentally defines the American legal system. Tell me how being raised speaking Arabic (not English) and being told that America is evil, AND being told that the state (not the individual!) is sacrosanct will NOT AT ALL hinder these Muslims from understanding and adopting this quintessentially American idea.

Then, tell me how the 71-average IQ Jamaicans, though majority Christian, will understand the more complicated aspects of Christianity (especially the Made In The Image of God ideal) just as competently as the 100-average IQ White Christians you dislike.

[redpillage]

(06-12-2017 03:55 PM)kavi Wrote:  

Just look at this thread, it was another terrorist incident such as we've seen countless already yet the thread had already reached a large number of pages consisting of nothing but basic muslim-bashing with little or no orignal commentary until Excelsor stepped in and it became about something else.

I find it puzzling that opponents of Islam and even just non-Muslims of all strides are continuously being accused of Muslim-bashing while it is the Muslims who are dishing out 99% of all the real hands-on bashings, insults, rapes, violent attacks, terrorist attacks, etc.

When's the last time a gang of Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, or Atheists attacked a single Muslim? So please spare us the crocodile tears pal, the old reverse psychology takiya bullshit ain't going to fly in here and won't last much longer in the public sphere either. If you are a Muslim and want to bring down the West, prepare for consequences.

[redpillage]

(06-12-2017 04:35 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

Then, tell me how the 71-average IQ Jamaicans, though majority Christian, will understand the more complicated aspects of Christianity (especially the Made In The Image of God ideal) just as competently as the 100-average IQ White Christians you dislike.

I'd be less concerned with explaining basic Christian tenets than how to properly convey the business side of a broom.

[kavi]

I said the that IQ table was bullshit.

"More than 75 per cent of British Indian students in England get five or more “good?#65533; GCSEs, compared to 61 per cent of white British students. Later, 14 per cent of British Indian students obtain three A* or A grades or better at A‑level. It’s 10 per cent for white British students.

Then 26 per cent of British Indian students in England go on to a top-flight university, compared with 15 per cent of their white British classmates
"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ccess.html

The data is not a fluke as Indians are quite a large community in England. It is not the case that these are the most intellectual of Indians as most British Indians are Sikhs or Gujarati Hindus and neither group came here with educated backgrounds. These were predominantly rural middle class (subsistence) farmers in India so quite 'average'.

So how come these 84 IQ semi retards are out-performing 100 IQ native brits? Its because those IQ tests dont mean anything.

[LEMONed IScream]

I still don't even understand what is the point of the argument(?) somehow, there are a shit ton of white supremacists in the US or something of the sort, or maybe in the West in general, and again, SOMEHOW, this has lead said white countries to import third world immigrants en masse and proceed to shove white privilege down their throat via welfare and diversity quotas. I see almost zero demonstrations of white supremacy. I see ABUNDANT demonstrations of white masochism, self hate fueled by Cultural Marxism. The first is virulently attacked in it's most innocent manifestations, the second one is lauded by thunderous applause.

And then, Islam is SOMEHOW not so bad after all when compared to this or that, but SOMEHOW we manage to average an attack per week in Europe or something of the kind, and SOMEHOW happen to have had 30k terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone. I barely even need to mention 1400 years of warfare, slavery and invasions. What was the point again? I fail to see how any of these can not be factual statements? Islam and Marxism are the single two most destructive ideologies that the "West" has ever been faced with, add in some "multicultural" sprinkles and big daddy government welfare spending and you have yourself the required ingredients for potential civil wars erupting all across Europe, along with riots in the USA, per example. None of these are positive things. Not the cultural enrichment I was expecting.

As for the IQ issue. The single most accurate predictor of financial success is IQ, along with, naturally, industriousness. Doesn't mean there aren't any outliers. Oil rich Gulf Arab countries have IQs in the 80s and they are still mostly rich (for now ) and high IQ North Korea is poor, because of the usual ideologies of failure.

I dont give a hoot what colour you are. If you're an apologist for Islam or the failed ideologies of Socialism, Communism, multiculturalism and general post-modern hack then you should be considered a traitor, or as the now famous hashtag says #Collaborator. Many of the most toxic elements in the West are actually White. The traitor at the gates. They are worse than any minority could hope to be. Minorities themselves are often pawns, tools, almost passive agents of the bidding of other people that fiddle around with them hoping for votes.

It's a matter of defeating the deconstructionist mood we are setting ourselves into. Not about killing or destroying EVERYONE that is different.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-12-2017 04:48 PM)kavi Wrote:  

So how come these 84 IQ semi retards are out-performing 100 IQ native brits? Its because those IQ tests dont mean anything.

I thought you knew this, but let me enlighten you - the Sikhs and Indians the UK gets have IQs above 100, some tests even say that the average is above 110. The ones who sacrifice children because of a lost phone - they stay in rural India and marry their cousin. Also I might add - work ethic matters as well, but I doubt the Indian immigrants to the UK score anywhere near the country's average of 85. There were some tests done on the millions in the US and the clocked well over 100 - regardless whether their parents were farmers. Education has little to do with intelligence.

If you had more of the latter coming in, then you would find highly different results.

Also Pakistanis are not doing nearly as well and there is a good reason for that as well.

[MMX2010]

(06-12-2017 04:48 PM)kavi Wrote:  

So how come these 84 IQ semi retards are out-performing 100 IQ native brits? Its because those IQ tests dont mean anything.

Going to a top flight university cannot be viewed as a reliable indicator of success when the government is commanding those universities to admit more and more non-White people.

Moreover, as these, universities continue to do this, university degrees in general have become suspiciously less and less valuable.

[Samseau]

Quote:

When Samseu states that
"the elevation of non-whites is at the expense of whites"
How exactly am I supposed to take that? Does he perhaps mean that I should be thankful to white people in the street, perhaps give them priority when driving or make way for them when they pass in the street?

Or you know, you can be mindful of them and help them like they helped you?

Judging from some of the posters in this thread, one might get the impression gratitude apparently only evolved in the White race... but of course that's bullshit.

It's funny, you see extreme gratitude from 1st generation (legal) immigrants to the West. But the 2nd and 3rd generations, after being indoctrinated by the degenerate, traitorous left, are suddenly hostile and angry at their benefactors. Proof that the feelings of hostility aren't natural or justified.

[thedarkknight]

(06-12-2017 03:55 PM)kavi Wrote:  

I remember when Roosh came to London to give his talk and at that point RvF and the Manoshpere seemed relevant and cutting edge. I posted his Canada 'Victory' video to my friends (who are all Muslims) just because of the coolness and macho factor of it.

Since then this place has taken a turn.

Just look at this thread, it was another terrorist incident such as we've seen countless already yet the thread had already reached a large number of pages consisting of nothing but basic muslim-bashing with little or no orignal commentary until Excelsor stepped in and it became about something else.

Many of the things this forum pushed for happened - Trump, Brexit, end of SJWs etc but now it seems this 'movement' is running out of original ideas and is just becoming a sounding board for White Christian ethnocentrism.

People here pushed for Trump, they pushed for Brexit. But what now? I dont see any new ideas or real cultural insight.

Is the new vision a total removal of Muslims from Europe/America followed and re-instatement of a White Christian culture, something like the 1950s perhaps? Well, thats not happening.

I think the recent political victories for this place has caused it to lose focus on the larger cultural sphere where I think it has greatest value.

When Samseu states that
"the elevation of non-whites is at the expense of whites"
How exactly am I supposed to take that? Does he perhaps mean that I should be thankful to white people in the street, perhaps give them priority when driving or make way for them when they pass in the street?

I dont want to get into a discussion about what race is the best. My personal opinion is that my race is the best, but others may have different views. IQ tests are bullshit. It's highly unlikely in my opinion that the average brit is (noticeably) smarter than the average Indian/Pakistani. Those tests are skewed by education and culture.

The fact you feel the need to "defend" or argue shows that you seek the approval of others.What do you hope to gain? Hoping others to "see the error of their ways." That's not how people work.

"Let me use a measure of intellect to prove that my people are more intelligent despite discrediting another measure of intellect that showed the opposite..."

If it don't apply, let it fly. Saves everyone a whole lot of time that way.

[MMX2010]

Samseau Wrote:

It's funny, you see extreme gratitude from 1st generation (legal) immigrants to the West. But the 2nd and 3rd generations, after being indoctrinated by the degenerate, traitorous left, are suddenly hostile and angry at their benefactors. Proof that the feelings of hostility aren't natural or justified.

Similar patterns can also occur in Islam.

A highly-persecuted secular Muslim can immigrate to America in 1970. He's extraordinary pro-American and very moderate Islam, but his American-born son reads the more extreme Muslim doctrines, decides his parents aren't really Muslims, and becomes a Jihadi.

[Steve McQueen]

Islam is the worlds problem child when it comes to religions, my two cents

No Islam would solve 95% of the worlds problems of religious conflict
Islam is not a race, I am tired of this strawman argument

Can the Muslims on here at least come up with a viable argument to my two cents or those of others posted above?

'Hes a racist' doesnt work anymore fellas, you'll need a new tactic to distract from the actual discussion

[kavi]

Yes, but not all immigrants are like that. Not Sikhs and Hindus and it seems to be mostly hardcore Muslims with the victim mentality that think that way.

To be clear, I'm all for critisizing religions and world views in insightful ways but this thread got a little repetetive early on. Anyway, thedarkknigh makes a good point...

[ziggystardust]

(06-12-2017 05:26 PM)kavi Wrote:  

Yes, but not all immigrants are like that. Not Sikhs and Hindus and it seems to be mostly Muslims with the victim mentality that think that way.

fixed.

[RIslander]

Studies have shown IQ is directly proportional to words per minute, and the diversity of the words, heard during early childhood. Rich and educated people talk to their children more. Take a poor Pakistani baby and have a wealthy family adopt him and his IQ will be much higher. Race is mostly irrelevant.

[Easy_C]

(06-12-2017 04:09 PM)kavi Wrote:  

I mean it is bullshit when comparing populations from different countries.

Btw, i got 130 when I first took one but that didnt land me in Goldman Sachs.

IQ doesn't land you at Goldman Sachs. It's having an Ivy League degree and/or coming from a rich family that does that.

[MMX2010]

(06-12-2017 10:27 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

Take a poor Pakistani baby and have a wealthy family adopt him and his IQ will be much higher.

That's not true on a larger scale.

[Kabal]

(06-12-2017 11:00 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(06-11-2017 07:06 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

...

The song-writing was kind of meh and cringe-worthy at times; however, the voice-actors/singers were quite good.

I almost didn't watch the video earlier today, but I did and was caught a bit off-guard by the quality of the singing--did not expect that.

This cheerful declaration from Mrs. Potts made me chuckle:

No kebab refugee
Should be let in Germany
They rape White Girls by the dozens
While impregnating their cousins!

This brings to mind... the LOTR memes were hilarious, but basic bitches might not be able to parse them.

Mulan and/or perhaps better yet, Lion King memes could sub-in: