[Batman_]

(03-05-2019 05:44 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

the global warming scam

u wot m8?

[gework]

(03-05-2019 12:24 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 05:44 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

the global warming scam

u wot m8?

That one when in the 70s they said we were going into a new ice age. Then when that didn't happen they went quiet. And when things started heating up in the 90s they came back with global warming. We were told if we didn't do anything about it then we'd heat up like Venus. When it became apparent that things were cooling again they said, "Oh, China was producing so much particle pollution it's got colder. Climate Change is wrecking the earth!" And now it seems to be getting hotter again they are going more with global warming again.

Humans do have an effect on the climate, but this lot obviously have no idea and little reason to honestly measure it.

(03-05-2019 05:44 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< Especially for vegans food has become a tool for virtue signaling. Anyone who eats a non-vegan diet has instantly become an enemy of earth, an animal hater, literally Hitler - someone who destroys the planet, creates global warming and murders innocent furry creatures. You have to be aware of this cult like behavior.

I've not eaten meat for half my life and have been awash in their culture, which I always despised. They would be better off presenting some data to people and leaving them to come up with a conclusion. But the only thing they have in their armory is all the left really has: guilt. It's also the driver of why they don't eat meat. So why not unload some onto their asshole friends or anyone else they come into contact with. All the while not realising that they and their behaviour are the number one road blocks to many people considering not eating meat.

And naturally, a self-induced guilt burden can be quick to rub off. They only have their peers to keep them in line; and over the years they fall out of line. Without exception all of the lefty, virtue signaling vegetarians I have known now eat meat. They've replaced it with much easier things to make them feel goo about themselves - like saying nice things.

[rotekz]

Not nutrition related but...

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[url=https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1103790574623182848]

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Nassim Taleb is a great guy but utterly wrong on this one. The IQ tests correlate very well with overall cognitive ability even if there are a few off-chance metrics that are misunderstood. It's just one guy's opinion against a huge gamut of experience - as well as I might add - plenty of anecdotal stories of people scoring high actually appearing smart. Women were just less useful since I met women with IQs in the 140 range and they operated at levels of men of 120. But that is women - they don't do logic very well even if they are smart. Smart women should better give birth to smart sons - that will help the world more.

No idea why Taleb went on this hill to die at - he won't able to hold his position on that one.

[911]

I tend to agree with him on this, the common take on IQs is a bit too simplistic, Taleb's showed its limitations.

Ironically, you need to have a fairly high IQ and a decent math/stat foundation to get his point...

[rotekz]

Vox Day's latest Darkstream breaks down Jordan Peterson's appearance at the globalist Trilateral Commission. Jordan is asked 'How will democracy survive?' The preposterous word salad that follows is something to behold.

When Vox first started streaming on Peterson it got a lot of push-back but now the comments are nearly all in agreement that JP is clearly a con-man.

The speech and breakdown starts 9 minutes in.

[heavy]

I learned something (well, lotsa things) from JP in this lecture...

At 15 minutes in...

When the Soviets would put people in the Gulags, they'd put political prisoners and ordinary criminals into forced labor together.

The Soviets regarded ordinary actual criminals - rapists, murderers, and thieves - as socially friendly elements.

The reason the Soviets called them socially friendly elements is because they assumed these rapists, murderers, and ordinary criminals did those horrible acts was because the oppressive nature of the previous Tzarist / capitalist system.



Remind you of the modern Left much? (not throwing into Gulags, but equating political dissidents to criminals, and excusing actual criminals)

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< It's the same system, but a different oppression class. Today blacks, non-Whites, Muslims can get away with far far more. It was I think Swedish feminists who said that rape by a Swedish man is far worse, because at least the Muslim rapist was somehow traumatized by "racism" and whateverl The same will be soon applied towards all Whites.

Though somehow Peterson and the other useful idiots out there miss the reality of what is happening. This class system will be turned against Whites as soon as they are in the minority. A call to individualism which mostly Whites will heed won't save you - atomized individuals are exactly how the elite want the masses to be. They have their trillions, their few high-level servants and their useful idiots. We only have the massive numbers and Peterson is working at taking away this as well. Collectivism my ass!

But whatever - I think that Peterson is just a more advanced useful idiot, he isn't really evil, he is not initiated in the inner party, he is just a good product of the brainwashing and will pull the people into the bullshit until the New World Order is complete, "individualist" Whites with clean rooms are minorities in the totalitarian shitholes. Though he is just standing up for what he believes and I do think that he is a true believer - those are at best useful idiots. The real elite and their scientific class are not believers - they use ideologies and even Pterson's belief-systems like his radical individualism for their end-goals.

[heavy]

I'm not sure how I stumbled on this the other day, but the Left sure does hate Jordan Peterson.

I thought it was an entertaining listen. I can't understand why someone who doesn't like JP would listen to it. I can't figure out, if you don't like JP and he doesn't offer value to your life, why you would listen to 20 minutes of someone telling you why a person is bad. I suppose that's why I'm not a liberal...not really into identity politics.

(Note, I do understand the JP detractors on here, from the Right side of the aisle. I don't understand people from the Left criticizing him.)

[Trumpian]

(03-08-2019 02:44 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< Nassim Taleb is a great guy but utterly wrong on this one. The IQ tests correlate very well with overall cognitive ability even if there are a few off-chance metrics that are misunderstood. It's just one guy's opinion against a huge gamut of experience - as well as I might add - plenty of anecdotal stories of people scoring high actually appearing smart. Women were just less useful since I met women with IQs in the 140 range and they operated at levels of men of 120. But that is women - they don't do logic very well even if they are smart. Smart women should better give birth to smart sons - that will help the world more.

No idea why Taleb went on this hill to die at - he won't able to hold his position on that one.

They correlate with cognitive ability. It doesn't necessarily translate to success or being able to navigate the world as it is. Example comes to mind of the guy 60 minutes did a special on a few years ago, off the charts IQ and worked as a bouncer his whole life. The high IQ made him a societal outcast from childhood..

Most wealthy people I meet are notably unremarkable as far as their intellect is concerned. Also tend to be 1-dimensional people with little knowledge outside their work area.

Given that in a capitalist society (which we all live in for better or for worse), wealth is the #1 measurement of a capable human being - IQ doesn't seem to have the value that bloviating academics like JP attribute to it.

[Leonard D Neubache]

It might be fun to start a militant individualist Petersonite movement.

The catchphrase can be "organise your gun locker".

"Worry about global issues only after you've cleaned your own nation".

[budoslavic]

I posted this in another thread. Whitcoulls NZ is banning Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules for Life" book.

[url=https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1108574591100903424][/url]

[BortimusPrime]

(03-20-2019 02:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It might be fun to start a militant individualist Petersonite movement.

The catchphrase can be "organise your gun locker".

"Worry about global issues only after you've cleaned your own nation".

Wash your penis -> Clean and Maintain your Freudian Slip

[Syberpunk]

I await the depressingly on schedule Peterson gnashing of teeth tweet reply to this censorship that:

"I'm not one of those dat dere damn silly white nationalists....not like those (insert name here to be censored)"

With a bunch of right-on-ers slamming the retweet buttons like seals clapping their keyboards, hanging on every word.

[tomtud]

I wonder if Whittcouls will ban other books since they used the Christchurch attack as their reason to pull the Peterson book?

I love it when the left eats itself. They don't realize that it's possible that they may have a few Islamic terrorist attacks? Then will they ban the Quran? We all know the answer. Hypocrisy.

[tomtud]

I wonder if Whittcouls will ban other books since they used the Christchurch attack as their reason to pull the Peterson book?

I love it when the left eats itself. They don't realize that it's possible that they may have a few Islamic terrorist attacks? Then will they ban the Quran? We all know the answer. Hypocrisy.

[Silver_Tube]

I'm about halfway through the book, for the longest time I kept putting it down because of all the lobster stuff. Once you get past the first chapter the next 5 of them mostly use history, recent events and the Bible to make their points, which was a lot easier to digest.

I don't see how anything in 12 rules of life could remotely be confused with white supremacy, its mostly about personal responsibility and coping with the human condition. One of the sections had some really useful things to say about mass shootings. The point he made was that these shooters sink into a nihilistic hatred of existence that is increasingly popular, he compared it to the Cain and Abel story from the Bible. I think the idea that western tradition could mend this spiritual crisis and make the world a less dangerous place scares certain interest groups that would rather just take the guns away.

I really like the way the guy presents arguments and connects thoughts together, I do wish it was a little less wordy at times though.

[christpuncher]

Peterson has been writing a column for the National Post lately. This morning his column was THE front page top story for the main website of one of the top 3 Newspapers in Canada...

[Oberrheiner]

(03-20-2019 12:50 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Given that in a capitalist society (which we all live in for better or for worse), wealth is the #1 measurement of a capable human being

Until you realize that your money is useless and that your one and only child will be the end of your lineage, sure you may think you're capable as judged by reasonable criteria ..

[debeguiled]

(03-20-2019 10:51 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

I posted this in another thread. Whitcoulls NZ is banning Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules for Life" book.

[url=https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1108574591100903424][/url]

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-21-2019 04:15 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

I await the depressingly on schedule Peterson gnashing of teeth tweet reply to this censorship that:

"I'm not one of those dat dere damn silly white nationalists....not like those (insert name here to be censored)"

With a bunch of right-on-ers slamming the retweet buttons like seals clapping their keyboards, hanging on every word.

Just checked his Twitter time-line for the past ~24 hours.
Nothing about NZ at all.
Yet he's right miffed about being turned away from some Cambridge University thing.

[rotekz]

(03-21-2019 07:44 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 04:15 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

I await the depressingly on schedule Peterson gnashing of teeth tweet reply to this censorship that:

"I'm not one of those dat dere damn silly white nationalists....not like those (insert name here to be censored)"

With a bunch of right-on-ers slamming the retweet buttons like seals clapping their keyboards, hanging on every word.

Just checked his Twitter time-line for the past ~24 hours.
Nothing about NZ at all.
Yet he's right miffed about being turned away from some Cambridge University thing.

He's miffed alright. His wall-of-text gamma-rage outpouring would never fit the tweet format:

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Cambridge University Rescinds my Fellowship

From @CamDivinity, this morning (Wed, Mar 20, 2019): “Jordan Peterson requested a visiting fellowship at the Faculty of Divinity, and an initial offer has been rescinded after a further review.”

I visited Cambridge University in November of last year, during my 12 Rules for Life Book tour, one stop of which was the city of Cambridge, where I spoke publicly at the venerable Cambridge Corn Exchange. While there, I had lunch and dinner and various scheduled conversations with a good number of faculty members and other interested individuals who came in for the occasion, and we took the opportunity to speak with a welcome frankness about theological, philosophical and psychological matters. I also recorded twoYouTube videos/podcasts: one with the eminent philosopher Sir Roger Scruton, presented by The Cambridge Center for the Study of Platonism, and another with Dr. Stephen Blackwood, founding President of Ralston College, a university in Savannah, Georgia, preparing for launch.

I was also invited to address the student-run Cambridge Union, the oldest continuously running debating society in the world – a talk which was delivered to a packed house (a relatively rare occurrence) and which, despite being posted only four months ago, is now the second-most watched of their 200 total videos. I’m mentioning this for a very particular purpose: CUSU, the Cambridge University Student Union (not to be confused with the aforementioned Cambridge Union), pinned to their Twitter account the rescindment announcement three minutes before (!) the Faculty of Divinity did so, and in a spirit of apparent “relief.” The Guardian cited the following CUSU statement:

We are relieved to hear that Jordan Peterson’s request for a visiting fellowship to Cambridge’s faculty of divinity has been rescinded following further review. It is a political act to associate the University with an academic’s work through offers which legitimise figures such as Peterson. His work and views are not representative of the student body and as such we do not see his visit as a valuable contribution to the University, but one that works in opposition to the principles of the University.

It seems to me that the packed Cambridge Union auditorium, the intelligent questioning associated with the lecture, and the overwhelming number of views the subsequently posted video accrued, indicates that there a number of Cambridge students are very interested in what I have to say, and might well regard my visit “as a valuable contribution to the University.” I also have to say, as a university professor concerned with literacy, that the CUSU statement offered to The Guardian borders on the unintelligible, perhaps even crossing the line (as so much ideological-puppet-babble tends to): what in the world does it mean that “it is a political act to associate the University with an academic’s work through offers which legitimise figures such as Peterson”? And who could write or say something of that rhetorical nature without a deep sense of betraying their personal conscience?

In any case: In November, when I was in Cambridge, I began discussions with one of the faculty members (whom I had met briefly before, in London) about the possibility of entering into a collaboration with the Cambridge Divinity Faculty. I enjoyed the conversations I had at Cambridge immensely. I learned a lot about Biblical matters that had remained unknown to me in a very short time. This was of particular relevance to me, but also perhaps of more broad and public import, because of a series of lectures on the Biblical stories of Genesis I prepared, delivered live (at the Isabel Bader Theatre in Toronto) and then posted on YouTube (playlist here) and in podcast form.

Since their posting, beginning in May of 2017, these lectures have received about 10 million hits (as well as an equal or greater number of downloads). The first lecture alone, on the first sentence of Genesis, has, alone, garnered 3.7 million of those, which makes it the most well-received of all the talks I have ever posted online. I have received correspondence in great volume from religious people all over the world, Jews, Christians, Buddhists and Muslims alike—and an equally large number from atheists—all telling me that my psychological take on the Genesis material resonated very strongly with their faith, or that it helped them understand for the first time the value of these stories. You can see this for yourself by reading the comments on the YouTube channel, which are remarkably civilized and positive, by modern social media standards. I don’t think there is another modern religious/psychological phenomenon or happening that is genuinely comparable. It’s also the case that my books, 12 Rules for Life and Maps of Meaning both rely heavily on Judeo-Christian thinking, and are predicated on the idea that the stories that make up such thought constitute the bedrock of our civil, peaceful and productive society. The former has now sold 3 million copies (one million in tongues other than English), and will be translated into 50 languages; the latter, a much older book, was recently a New York Times bestseller in audio format. This volume of interest is clear indication of the widespread cross-cultural appeal of the work that I am doing.

In the fall, I am planning to produce a series of lectures on the Exodus stories. I presume they will have equal drawing power. I thought that I could extend my knowledge of the relevant stories by spending time in Cambridge, and that doing so would be useful for me, for faculty members who might be interested in speaking with me, and to the students. I also regarded it as a privilege and an opportunity. I believed (and still believe) that collaborating with the Faculty of Divinity on such a project would constitute an opportunity of clear mutual benefit. Finally, I thought that making myself more knowledgeable about relevant Biblical matters by working with the experts there would be of substantive benefit to the public audience who would eventually receive the resultant lectures.

Now the Divinity school has decided that signaling their solidarity with the diversity-inclusivity-equity mob trumps that opportunity–or so I presume. You see, I don’t yet know, because (and this is particularly appalling) I was not formally notified of this decision by any representative of the Divinity school. I heard about the rescinded offer through the grapevine, via a colleague and friend, and gathered what I could about the reasons from social media and press coverage (assuming that CUSU has at least something to do with it).

I would also like to point out something else. As I already noted, the Divinity Faculty (@CamDivinity) tweeted their decision to rescind, consciously making this a public issue. This is inexcusable, in my estimation, given (1) that they did not equally publicize the initial agreement/invitation (which has to be considered an event of equal import) and (2) that they implied that I came cap-in-hand to the school for the fellowship. This is precisely the kind of half-truth particularly characteristic of those who deeply practice to deceive, as the fellowship offer was a consequence of mutual discussion between those who invited me to Cambridge in July and my subsequent formal request, and not something I had dreamed up on my own.

It’s not going to make much difference to my future, in some sense. I have more opportunities at the moment than I can keep track of, let alone (let’s say) capitalize on. It’s a complex and surreally fortunate position to occupy, and I’m not taking it for granted, but it happens to be true. In the fall, therefore, I will produce the lectures I plan to produce on Exodus, regardless of whether they occur in the UK or in Canada or elsewhere, and they will attract whatever audience remains interested. But I think that it is deeply unfortunate that the authorities at the Divinity school in Cambridge decided that kowtowing to an ill-informed, ignorant and ideologically-addled mob trumped participating in an extensive online experiment in mass Christian and psychological education. Given the continued decline of church attendance, the rise in atheistic or agnostic sentiment, the increasing irrelevance of theological education and the collapse in interest in such matters among young people, wiser and more profound decisions might have been made.

You see, it matters whether people around the world understand these ancient stories. It deeply matters. We are becoming unmoored, because we no longer share the structure these stories undergird. This is psychologically destabilizing. It’s producing a pathological and desperate nihilism that is increasingly common and, at the same time, a pronounced proclivity for the ideological certainty that mimics but cannot replace true religious belief. Both consequences are bound to be, as the evidence certainly indicates, divisive and truly dangerous.

I think the Faculty of Divinity made a serious error of judgement in rescinding their offer to me (and I’m speaking about those unnamed persons who made that specific decision). I think they handled publicizing the rescindment in a manner that could hardly have been more narcissistic, self-congratulatory and devious.

I believe that the parties in question don’t give a damn about the perilous decline of Christianity, and I presume in any case that they regard that faith, in their propaganda-addled souls, as the ultimate manifestation of the oppressive Western patriarchy, despite their hypothetical allegiance to their own discipline.

I think that it is no bloody wonder that the faith is declining (and with it, the values of the West, as it fragments) with cowards and mountebanks of the sort who manifested themselves today at the helm.

I wish them the continued decline in relevance over the next few decades that they deeply and profoundly and diligently work toward and deserve.



P.S. I also find it interesting and deeply revealing that I know the names of the people who invited me, both informally and formally, but the names of the people who have disinvited me remain shrouded in exactly the kind of secrecy that might be expected from hidden, conspiratorial, authoritarian and cowardly bureaucrats. How many were there? No one knows. By what process did they come to the decision (since there were obviously people who wanted me there)? No one knows. On what grounds was the decision made? That has not been revealed. What role was played by pressure from, for example, the CUSU? That’s apparently no one’s business. It is on such ground that tyranny does not so much grow as positively thrive.

P.P.S. Here’s something from Vice-Chancellor Professor Stephen Toope of the University of Cambridge that’s worth consideration, in the current context (the described “openness” is apparently part of the university’s declared strategic initiatives regarding (what else) equality and diversity (bold mine):

One very specific aspect of…openness is being inclusive, and open to diversity in all its forms – diversity of interests and beliefs, of gender, of religion, of sexual identity, of ethnicity, of physical ability.

More tweets referencing the affair followed.

[url=https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1108887523533750272]

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(03-20-2019 02:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It might be fun to start a militant individualist Petersonite movement.
The catchphrase can be "organise your gun locker".
"Worry about global issues only after you've cleaned your own nation".

A post on reddit/r/kotakuinaction by u/LouthQuill


Stand up straight with your shoulders back - it will help you aim better

Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping - The best way to help yourself is by hurting muslims

Make friends with people who want the best for you - like Anders Breivik instead of Sadiq Khan

Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today - you were unwilling to stand up to muslims yesterday

Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them - no children no problem

Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world - and there are muslims in your house right now

Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient) - become a symbol for the white world

Tell the truth – or, at least, don't lie - his manifesto was brutally self-aware and honest

Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't - I think he spent a bit too much time listening to some people

Be precise in your speech - The wording in the manifesto was carefully chosen

Do not bother children when they are skateboarding - Bother them when they praying

Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street - Secure the existence of cat people and a future for cat kittens. (u/cmurcmurun)

[felix_vagabondo]

(03-15-2017 02:28 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 02:12 PM)3extra Wrote:  

He's been on the Sam Harris podcast twice in recent months.

They clashed on the idea of 'truth' on the first one and the podcast kind of stagnated.

First: https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/what-is-true

Second: https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/m...-and-chaos

Interesting dude.

I found the first podcast to be pretty uncompelling. I think the main problem is that deep down, Peterson is a spiritual person trying to squeeze his spirituality into academic terms, and Harris is pretty much a standard empirically minded academic. I don't think there is any way for the two to come together.

I would be interested in Harris talking more about his views on Jung and psychology. Carl Jung's view was, of course, that empirical psychology could be used as a method to describe and thus account for the spiritual dimension. If you haven't watched the lecture where Peterson describes the mythology represented in Peter Pan, it is an entertaining example of how the mythical archetypes of Jung's Collective Unconscious are replayed constantly in fiction. Spoiler alert: the character Tinker Bell represents "something like a pornographic fantasy."

[scorpion]

Jordan Peterson, clearly butthurt, writes a thousand words after being de-platformed by Cambridge Divinity School
Vox Day fans: "Lol such a gamma male."

Vox Day, clearly butthurt, writes an entire book about Jordan Peterson
Vox Day fans: "Oh Vox you are the greatest!" *sucking noises*