[debeguiled]

delete.

[911]

(02-27-2019 11:03 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

He sees things in a jungian manner of the “collective unconscience.” Our society has changed so much and in too short of time such that we as a people are having problems navigating the norms.

Sometimes I have doubts about him but when I see videos like this, it makes me more confident that he’s not “controlled opposition.” Intact, he’s really taking a stance here that Roosh has been taking on hookup culture and how it’s bad for everyone.

The most effective controlled opposition pundits are precisely the ones like Peterson who build a strong and loyal following by providing a lot of elements of truth that often go against the establishment. Noam Chomski is another great example of this.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< The Red Pill dating/free-love message is a thinned down version of what is available on Rational Male or what has been said by Roosh for years. Rollo Tomassi has in contrast not only clear descriptions of why the destruction of the old mating model wreaks havoc, but he also explains you exactly what needs to change, return to an equilibrium. And on top of it - it is science based, it's not just tradition telling you to do it or else. Women should be controlled of course to a degree, but you can even tell them clearly why they will feel like shit after going on a fuck-fest during their teens and 20s. Men can do that far more and come out mentally healthy and we know why this is true.

Peterson is like a limp-wristed impotent Purple-Piller compared to a guy like Rollo Tomassi. The only good point is that he breaches partly the true Red Pill to the completely unaware soyboys and normies since Peterson gets the globalist backing to a certain degree, but whether this goes further or whether he is a gatekeeper - that remains to be seen. I think that he works rather as a gatekeeper or he would be dropped by the mainstream. If they find him to have become a stepping stone to the Alt Right or to the real Red Pill here, then they will likely drop the guy.

[911]

Has anyone read his last book yet?

[Beyond Borders]

^ I dig Peterson, but that's pretty funny. haha

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Listened to this interview with Mikhaila Peterson. Recently I started to shift ever more into a keto-meat-based to carnivore diet. Especially my girl who has had some issues (no shit) after her vegan diet attempt a while back has responded well to it.

When you listen to Mikhaila talk, then 3 things struck me:

1) Her efforts of becoming healthy through meat are legit and she as well as her dad became proponents of the diet. It's a diet that is frankly opposed to the elite plans which push the vegan/vegetarian anti-meat diet.

2) No real high-level globalist lackey would put his daughter on SSRIs at early age or pump his son full with vaccines (Trump). So essentially he is certainly a guy who at worst was just useful to the elite - also safe enough.

3) Mikhaila works for her dad being her administrative assistant, but she also mentioned cutting back on her food cost, so I guess The Jordan does not pay his daughter well enough. Honestly I would not mind that - if he gave her 100-150k, but I guess the frugal protestant mindset is still present in that family.

And this is a post in support of Peterson - I think that he is just well-used by the globalists and not a real expert on what the elite is doing. As for Mikhaila - who cares - at least she is promoting a far more healthy anti-globalist diet. So whatever ... wash your balls and eat your beef.

[PUA_Rachacha]

Looks like Peterson got a hair transplant a few years ago. FUE if I were to guess. It looks good on him. I don't know his motivation for doing so, but a lot of guys have insecurities about their hair (including me).

Unfortunately when you get a hair transplant the surgeon is adamant that you go on finasteride to preserve the remaining hair. I had a bad experience with Propecia, but I'm hoping he can manage the sides better than I had.

https://www.hairlosscure2020.com/has-jor...ransplant/

[Teedub]

^ He did have one. It's been discussed previously in the thread.

[debeguiled]

(03-01-2019 10:28 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Listened to this interview with Mikhaila Peterson. Recently I started to shift ever more into a keto-meat-based to carnivore diet. Especially my girl who has had some issues (no shit) after her vegan diet attempt a while back has responded well to it.

When you listen to Mikhaila talk, then 3 things struck me:

1) Her efforts of becoming healthy through meat are legit and she as well as her dad became proponents of the diet. It's a diet that is frankly opposed to the elite plans which push the vegan/vegetarian anti-meat diet.

2) No real high-level globalist lackey would put his daughter on SSRIs at early age or pump his son full with vaccines (Trump). So essentially he is certainly a guy who at worst was just useful to the elite - also safe enough.

3) Mikhaila works for her dad being her administrative assistant, but she also mentioned cutting back on her food cost, so I guess The Jordan does not pay his daughter well enough. Honestly I would not mind that - if he gave her 100-150k, but I guess the frugal protestant mindset is still present in that family.

And this is a post in support of Peterson - I think that he is just well-used by the globalists and not a real expert on what the elite is doing. As for Mikhaila - who cares - at least she is promoting a far more healthy anti-globalist diet. So whatever ... wash your balls and eat your beef.

Jesus, bro, I am going to unblock you.

[Oberrheiner]

(03-01-2019 10:03 AM)911 Wrote:  

Has anyone read his last book yet?

Well, we do have some threads on this very forum where some members argue that an unwashed circumcised penis is cleaner than an unwashed uncircumcised penis, so I guess there is a market for such a book indeed

[Thot Leader]

(03-01-2019 10:28 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Listened to this interview with Mikhaila Peterson. Recently I started to shift ever more into a keto-meat-based to carnivore diet. Especially my girl who has had some issues (no shit) after her vegan diet attempt a while back has responded well to it.

When you listen to Mikhaila talk, then 3 things struck me:

1) Her efforts of becoming healthy through meat are legit and she as well as her dad became proponents of the diet. It's a diet that is frankly opposed to the elite plans which push the vegan/vegetarian anti-meat diet.

I've read up on dietary treatment of autoimmune disease, and the recommendations all seem to be higher in fat, lower in carbs, though apparently excessive protein consumption isn't good for you either (unless you're very active/lifting). I think avoiding grains and sugar is huge, possibly dairy as well. But full on carnivore? That can't be good for your insides.

[The Catalyst]

(03-03-2019 02:18 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 10:28 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Listened to this interview with Mikhaila Peterson. Recently I started to shift ever more into a keto-meat-based to carnivore diet. Especially my girl who has had some issues (no shit) after her vegan diet attempt a while back has responded well to it.

When you listen to Mikhaila talk, then 3 things struck me:

1) Her efforts of becoming healthy through meat are legit and she as well as her dad became proponents of the diet. It's a diet that is frankly opposed to the elite plans which push the vegan/vegetarian anti-meat diet.

I've read up on dietary treatment of autoimmune disease, and the recommendations all seem to be higher in fat, lower in carbs, though apparently excessive protein consumption isn't good for you either (unless you're very active/lifting). I think avoiding grains and sugar is huge, possibly dairy as well. But full on carnivore? That can't be good for your insides.

I think Chris Kresser has a good article/view on this topic.

https://chriskresser.com/the-carnivore-d...y-healthy/

Cliffs:

Quote:

Five[sic] Reasons Why the Carnivore Diet Works

When any diet, drug, or other intervention “works,” it’s important to try to understand the mechanism behind it. In the case of the carnivore diet, there are several reasons that might explain the benefits people report.

1. The Carnivore Diet Can Restrict Calories and Mimics Fasting

2. The Carnivore Diet Is a Low-Residue Diet

3. The Carnivore Diet Is Often Ketogenic

4. The Carnivore Diet Changes the Gut Microbiota

The Biggest Potential Problem with This Diet: Nutrient Deficiencies

Now that we’ve established some of the mechanisms involved, the big question is: is the carnivore diet safe?

The short answer is that we really don’t know, since there are no long-term studies that have tracked large groups of individuals on carnivore diets for any significant length of time. One of my chief concerns about it is that it lacks several nutrients that are crucial for health.

...

If a healthy lifestyle coupled with the dietary approaches above is insufficient to control your symptoms, consider working with a Functional Medicine practitioner who is knowledgeable about gut health. If you’re thinking about becoming a strict carnivore because you’re experiencing adverse reactions to even very small amounts of plant foods, that’s likely a sign of an underlying gut infection that should be addressed.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-03-2019 02:18 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 10:28 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Listened to this interview with Mikhaila Peterson. Recently I started to shift ever more into a keto-meat-based to carnivore diet. Especially my girl who has had some issues (no shit) after her vegan diet attempt a while back has responded well to it.

When you listen to Mikhaila talk, then 3 things struck me:

1) Her efforts of becoming healthy through meat are legit and she as well as her dad became proponents of the diet. It's a diet that is frankly opposed to the elite plans which push the vegan/vegetarian anti-meat diet.

I've read up on dietary treatment of autoimmune disease, and the recommendations all seem to be higher in fat, lower in carbs, though apparently excessive protein consumption isn't good for you either (unless you're very active/lifting). I think avoiding grains and sugar is huge, possibly dairy as well. But full on carnivore? That can't be good for your insides.

You would think so except our ancestors - in fact ancestors of most of us lived like that for 100.000 years. In fact - many areas in the world did not have fruits or vegetables available to them for 8+ months. And some of those ancestors like ancient Germans/Goths were strong, smart and 6 ft tall. Caesar was impressed by them even if they did not have the civilizational achievements for various reasons. The same went for the Mongols who survived for 50.000 years on meat alone - the same for American Indians - almost exclusively meat for thousands of years. In fact - health declined rather with more agriculture and consumption of starches as well as grains.

Plus - those who tested out carnivore diets consisting of a mix of beef, organic eggs and mostly raw dairy - they reported tremendously positive health results. There are families out there 20 years on a pure carnivore diet with the kids being super-healthy.

What if all our presumptions about the health and true necessity of vegetables are faulty? What if Ron Swanson was right all along?



Also fun fact - the standard Western diet is still predominantly carbs, vegetable oils and vegetables. Meat when cooked with industrial oils on top of carbs is being processed by the body differently than if you were consuming just meat. Personally I am just shifting into a meat-dominated diet, but I will test out full carnivore.

But I know one thing for sure - the vegan as well as vegetarian diets are long-term shit (vegetarian with lots of eggs and raw dairy may be fine, but hardly anyone does that). And neither fruit nor vegetables are anywhere near as healthy as people are being told.

The Petersons are extreme cases of food sensitivity, but what if they are just the harbingers of the most healthy human diet in a great Omega 3 to 6 ratio that beef provides her. And Jordan P should pay his daughter enough to buy the best meat - that bloke certainly makes enough cash.

[911]

(03-03-2019 02:30 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

...
You would think so except our ancestors - in fact ancestors of most of us lived like that for 100.000 years. In fact - many areas in the world did not have fruits or vegetables available to them for 8+ months. And some of those ancestors like ancient Germans/Goths were strong, smart and 6 ft tall. Caesar was impressed by them even if they did not have the civilizational achievements for various reasons. The same went for the Mongols who survived for 50.000 years on meat alone - the same for American Indians - almost exclusively meat for thousands of years. In fact - health declined rather with more agriculture and consumption of starches as well as grains.

Plus - those who tested out carnivore diets consisting of a mix of beef, organic eggs and mostly raw dairy - they reported tremendously positive health results. There are families out there 20 years on a pure carnivore diet with the kids being super-healthy.

What if all our presumptions about the health and true necessity of vegetables are faulty? What if Ron Swanson was right all along?

Also fun fact - the standard Western diet is still predominantly carbs, vegetable oils and vegetables. Meat when cooked with industrial oils on top of carbs is being processed by the body differently than if you were consuming just meat. Personally I am just shifting into a meat-dominated diet, but I will test out full carnivore.

But I know one thing for sure - the vegan as well as vegetarian diets are long-term shit (vegetarian with lots of eggs and raw dairy may be fine, but hardly anyone does that). And neither fruit nor vegetables are anywhere near as healthy as people are being told.

The Petersons are extreme cases of food sensitivity, but what if they are just the harbingers of the most healthy human diet in a great Omega 3 to 6 ratio that beef provides her. And Jordan P should pay his daughter enough to buy the best meat - that bloke certainly makes enough cash.

I think you're wrong about the tribes with meat-only diets, the only ones that fit that bill were the eskimos, who live on seal, fish and the occasional bear or fox. Seal and coldwater fish are more nutritious and easier on the system than land meat.

The Mongols ate a whole lot of dairy (yoghurt, cheese, raw milk), and vegetables 6 month/year, wild grasses, seeds and berries. They were also on or near major trading routes so they could conceivably trade furs or farm animals for exotic foods from the far or near east.

Germanic tribes had plenty of forest and prairie edibles (mushrooms berries and nuts that could be dried and used year round) and traded for wheat and other grains they didn't grow. Trading routes were already in place 5,000 years ago. Also lots of fish and shellfish yearround, you're never too far from a river or a lake in case you're not too close to the seashore.

American indians out east harvested a lot edibles off the forest and bushes, they had access to huge amounts of nuts and grasses all across the continent. Out west they made flour out of acorns which they used year round for breads.

So these people had a richer diet than the cavemen. And of course for all these people, life expectancy was pretty short, so they didn't need to worry that much about the effects of long term nutritional deficiencies. They also got plenty of vitamin D. As well, all their meat was organic grass-fed, much healthier than our basic industrial grade meat, milk or eggs. It's shocking how much better a real farm egg tastes vs the average supermarket egg.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< The bulk of the calories came from meat and various animal products - I count milk, cheese to the carnivor diet. I once went to a restaurant that had the mad idea to create a medieval themed place complete with realistic medieval food! Obviously it tanked, because when you ate the food you realized how much you got used to the starch-based foods of today - no potatoes, no legumes, no tomatoes etc. Especially the lack of potatoes/corn/pasta was startling. No wonder that the aristocracy of that time ate mostly meat and dairy. Seasonings were added of course and plants were supplemented for taste as well as for healing.

But it's startling to find out how sick veganism makes people - or the reealization that the Standard American/Western diet is frankly mostly vegetable based and not healthy - grains/bread/pasta, industrial vegetable oils, starch-rich potatoes/legumes. The bio-availability of the nutrients is ridiculously low and you have to add the reality of anti-nutrients present in plants. I too fell for the stupid trap of entering just food into cronometer not realizing that some plant foods give you 10-15% of the vitamins and minerals.

No wonder that the best supplements are bound to animal-based amino-acids and I still think that supplementation of good ones is helpful even if you have the perfect diet.

Plus - there are new studies out that for example debunk the necessity for lots of calcium supplementation and plant foods as they found that meat consumption and more D3 ingestion from animal sources strengthens your bones more than all the plant calcium consumption. Plus supplementation of calcium is found to be harmful even unless you are a cow! All carni- and omnivores can get it all through animal products.

Other telling points - the intense craving of vegans for eggs and meat while having been on the vegan diet. No one really craves carbs that much even if you were addicted to it. Sugar is different, but even that can be cured. Also funny that toddlers when able to pick food - they will always pick the animal products first.

In the vid - funny part at 14:30 of vegan doctors who look like a scrotum streched over a knee talk to you about "meat fixation and that we have to cure it". And despite all the massive propaganda and indoctrination this "meat fixation" does not go away.

[TigerMandingo]

I wish more guys in this thread (and people in general) would have the humility to admit that we don't really know much about nutrition. There is a ton of information out there and you really have to experiment yourself and figure out what works best for you. Just because some crackpot on Youtube says "carbs are evil" doesn't make it so.

[heavy]

(03-04-2019 10:59 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I wish more guys in this thread (and people in general) would have the humility to admit that we don't really know much about nutrition. There is a ton of information out there and you really have to experiment yourself and figure out what works best for you. Just because some crackpot on Youtube says "carbs are evil" doesn't make it so.

I think it's because they lied to us for years.

"They" not being certain people (although perhaps some) but rather systems, organizations, from the top-down...government, which funded colleges and universities, and regulated big corporations who paid for the lies, media outlets who partnered with big food to hook kids on sugar sugar sugar.

Also, I'm still an individualist at heart. Anyone who blames the man simply hasn't learned the lesson to not trust the man. Thank God my mom, in her humble uneducated way, thought the whole low fat craze was dumb, still kept buying vitamin D milk, using butter, making fatty grilled burgers, eggs and bacon, etc while the retarded rest of the world thought dairy fat and meat fat was evil. She just went with "if it's natural, it's probably not all that bad" mentality.

My mom would laugh at some who thought low fat crackers were so much better than regular fat crackers. They're fucking crackers. Potato chips. They aren't healthy, they're a snack. Just don't eat too many or all the time.

The Simpson creators knew this...

Not shown in this gif is a quote from Marge Simpson regarding the low fat yogurt..."I can feel the pounds just shedding off!"

Or as some wise person once said, "Keep it simple, stupid"

Edit: All that said, I'm pretty sure most people who preach 'simple and refined carbs are bad' understand there are a certain portion of people total and within each ancestry who require a diet more specific to their own needs. I'm pretty sure JP would be included in this group. Probably even Vinnie Tortorich would be (who's been preaching NSNG no sugar no grains since the early 90s). The actual debate is one of nuance. What percentage of people or a population have what percentage of requirement (strictness) to stick to specific dietary intake.

In my opinion, regarding our melting pot of backgrounds in the United States, and with a high percentage of hearty-stomached Northern Europeans here (except when it comes to spice ), NSNG or low sugar low refined carb diet is a good starting point with most Americans.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The insane thing about nutrition is that there are no fucking experts if you go by that metric - no doctors, no nutritionist and certainly no government insitutions. Guidelines get proven wrong, people die like flies over stupid recommendations, massive organizations lobby for their products to be sold more and give a damn about the long-term repercussions. Furthermore big pharma and big agro as well as the globalists are not interested in the health of humans. You would think that doing massive nutritional studies, paying people a modest amount to enter record their food intake online, then do regular blood and fitness tests - you would think that such a large study would have been already done by now with all countries in the world somewhat participating and thus after 2-4 decades a good metric might have come around since you would see a shit-ton of data for the price of a few billion max. But no - let's blast billions out of the door for one country just to push statins on them and tell them that 50% of the nutrients have to come from carbs now.

This is unfortunately a field where everyone has to find his way, because the real humility here or wisdom is to understand that you cannot trust anyone. And if you are one dimwit who thinks that he can trust his expert or government official or fucking MD then you will rue the day. Yeah - crackpot on Youtube - some of them know better than MDs who studied nutritional science on top of that.

And the funny part is that as I said - it's not that difficult to design large cheap studies to get to the bottom of this - not only data from general public, but also participating doctors, hospitals, institutions, prisons, monasteries where the food intake of people is known. Obviously and this is absolutely clear to many people out there - they are not interested in the truth - they are fine with pushing crap, then calling dissenters crackpots, then laughing in glee as cancer skyrockets and mortality rises since the 1990s - who the fuck cares about the useless eaters? And let the useless eaters accuse the ones who want to help them of being crackpots - CNN shall give you all you need to know.

Oh - and for what it's worth - I am not claiming to know the truth. The truth will come about after those studies mentioned will be done over generations - only then will humanity find out the optimal diet and it may be even influenced by ethnic genetics or be somwhat pliable. There is still a ton we don't know, but what little we know can be easily observed by people whose health crumbles quickly (vegan diet), whose bodies get less healthy and fat over 2 decades (standard American predominantly vegetable sourced fats and carbs) and whose diets are the most conducive for currently known optimal health - Mediterranean diet in some Italian islands and some Japanese areas - and even then you only get part of the story.

[911]

(03-04-2019 11:12 AM)heavy Wrote:  

(03-04-2019 10:59 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I wish more guys in this thread (and people in general) would have the humility to admit that we don't really know much about nutrition. There is a ton of information out there and you really have to experiment yourself and figure out what works best for you. Just because some crackpot on Youtube says "carbs are evil" doesn't make it so.

I think it's because they lied to us for years.

"They" not being certain people (although perhaps some) but rather systems, organizations, from the top-down...government, which funded colleges and universities, and regulated big corporations who paid for the lies, media outlets who partnered with big food to hook kids on sugar sugar sugar.

Also, I'm still an individualist at heart. Anyone who blames the man simply hasn't learned the lesson to not trust the man. Thank God my mom, in her humble uneducated way, thought the whole low fat craze was dumb, still kept buying vitamin D milk, using butter, making fatty grilled burgers, eggs and bacon, etc while the retarded rest of the world thought dairy fat and meat fat was evil. She just went with "if it's natural, it's probably not all that bad" mentality.

My mom would laugh at some who thought low fat crackers were so much better than regular fat crackers. They're fucking crackers. Potato chips. They aren't healthy, they're a snack. Just don't eat too many or all the time.

The Simpson creators knew this...

Not shown in this gif is a quote from Marge Simpson regarding the low fat yogurt..."I can feel the pounds shedding off!"

Or as some wise person once said, "Keep it simple, stupid"

You've hit the bullseye Heavy.

The problem in America with nutrition is that age old wisdom and traditions passed on for generations from Europe and adapted to American produce has been lost 1-2 generations ago, with industrial agrobusiness reshaping American diets on one hand, but also with women entering the workforce en masse in the 1970s.

This, along with the devaluation of domestic/marital life and the feminist precept of kitchen work being slavery instead of domestic bliss, led to younger generations losing grasp on traditional culinary arts and wisdom.

That incidentally is one of themain reasons for the rise in obesity in America, with women who can't cook relying on processed foods loaded with industrial products like corn syrup, on takeout and on fast food.

In Europe, there is a lot more cultural inertia, the media has less control over the citizens' habits and traditions. Most homes have a dining space where the whole family sits together and has weeknight dinners and weekend meals together. People who grew up in this environment are going to be inoculated against fad diets like the no-meat/all-meat/no-carb etc...

You will be laughed at so hard in France or Italy if you tell people that bread or pasta are bad for you and they should stop eating them. People in those and many other countries like Spain, Greece or Japan have ancient, traditional healthy, balanced diets with a great variety of meats, vegetables, roots, fruits, nuts, desserts and wines and spirits in moderation. These countries have incidentally had the longest life expectancies.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Another little tidbit - most carnivore proponents don't even want people to stop eating all carbs. They know that this kind of diet is not for everyone and it may not even be healthy for everyone. They are simply fine with people not avoiding healthy animal products. An Italian surviving super-healthy to 100 on a diet of meat, olive oil, dairy, wine, pasta and pizza - that is certainly in itself proof enough that it cannot be that bad.

[Aurini]

(03-04-2019 11:22 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

And the funny part is that as I said - it's not that difficult to design large cheap studies to get to the bottom of this - not only data from general public, but also participating doctors, hospitals, institutions, prisons, monasteries where the food intake of people is known. Obviously and this is absolutely clear to many people out there - they are not interested in the truth - they are fine with pushing crap, then calling dissenters crackpots, then laughing in glee as cancer skyrockets and mortality rises since the 1990s - who the fuck cares about the useless eaters? And let the useless eaters accuse the ones who want to help them of being crackpots - CNN shall give you all you need to know.

We haven't even done this sort of study with smoking; why would anybody do it with food?

The cigarette companies want to sell an addictive product, as cheaply as possible, without regard for the consequences (chemical drying of tobacco leaves is probably the worst part - but who cares?). The anti-smokers are angry that somebody else is having fun, and are satisfied by pushing regulations even when they make no sense (such as banning flavoured tobacco). The government loves having an excuse to increase sin taxes (even though this impoverishes the lower classes). The medical profession has the opportunity to provide treatment (even if this burdens the health care system). It's a win-win for everybody!

Except for individual humans, of course.

[Enoch]

Realizing that the food pyramid was total BS was one of my first red pills.

[Batman_]

About a year ago I basically mentally checked out of trying to understand nutrition. I don't think anyone knows really knows what they're talking about and it's just a clusterfuck at this point. It's amazing that we have a greater understanding of the substructures of Universe than knowledge of what foods we should be eating.

There's too much placebo/nocebo, anecdote, contradictions, and laymen speculation. I don't get why, but for some reason people are unbelievably emotionally attached to diets. People form their beliefs towards nutrition solely based off of their feelings and then proceed to validate their feelings by reading some charlatans health blog and suddenly think they're enlightened.

Almost nothing is ever backed up with credible evidence and almost all "nutritional advice" is built off of unsubstantiated pre-existing beliefs that get continually reinforced with confirmation bias. I'm now refusing to believe anything I hear unless it's backed up with high quality nonbiased research. All I know is to avoid sugar and processed foods but beyond that I'll continue to eat meat/dairy/veggies and adjust based on my own attempt to observe my bodies reactions without placebo/nocebo skewing my judgment.

Everyone is becoming neurotic and associating their diets with their self-identity until they develop an almost tribal/cult-like mentality. Go to any keto forum and people will literally claim that carbs are poison. It's all such nonsense.

[Aurini]

(03-04-2019 12:40 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

About a year ago I basically mentally checked out of trying to understand nutrition. I don't think anyone knows really knows what they're talking about and it's just a clusterfuck at this point. It's amazing that we have a greater understanding of the substructures of Universe than knowledge of what foods we should be eating.

There's too much placebo/nocebo, anecdote, contradictions, and laymen speculation. I don't get why, but for some reason people are unbelievably emotionally attached to diets. People form their beliefs towards nutrition solely based off of their feelings and then proceed to validate their feelings by reading some charlatans health blog and suddenly think they're enlightened.

Almost nothing is ever backed up with credible evidence and almost all "nutritional advice" is built off of unsubstantiated pre-existing beliefs that get continually reinforced with confirmation bias. I'm now refusing to believe anything I hear unless it's backed up with high quality nonbiased research. All I know is to avoid sugar and processed foods but beyond that I'll continue to eat meat/dairy/veggies and adjust based on my own attempt to observe my bodies reactions without placebo/nocebo skewing my judgment.

Everyone is becoming neurotic and associating their diets with their self-identity until they develop an almost tribal/cult-like mentality. Go to any keto forum and people will literally claim that carbs are poison. It's all such nonsense.

Pleasure/Guilt.

Heinlein, in one of his short stories, posited that this universe was actually a work of art, and his protagonists had a conversation with an 'art critic' who came here to evaluate our God's creation. One of his comments was: "Refuelling as a source of pleasure - brilliant!"

Food provides not just physical pleasure (taste and nourishment), but also emotional validation (comfort food) and community (family dinner). It's included as a core component of our religious rituals, and is subject to nearly as many taboos as sex (EG: the Seinfeld episode where people started eating hand-food with a fork and knife).

It's also connected to our health - but more importantly to our class and social status. If I described somebody as "The sort of guy who eats frozen pizza every night," you'd all have a laugh at the low-status loser I was describing.

Contrast food to fashion: it's possible to have a rational conversation about clothing quality. Generally speaking, more expensive clothing is made out of better materials (with a few notable exceptions) and the well-known brands largely maintain their reputation by providing better materials and better cuts than the stuff you get at Walmart. The occasional fashionista might obsess over a particular brand or designer, in the same manner a hipster obsesses over underground bands, but outside of the extreme there's broad agreement on quality and cut.

Food, however, is far more emotionally involved. The sort of people who shop at Whole Foods want to tell a story about what their eating. Their story isn't 'factual' in the way a discussion over cloth might be; the emphasis is on the moral virtue that comes with eating the product. Furthermore, foodies don't tend to research any of their claims. In most cases, the organic label speaks for itself - whether the organic food is actually better is largely irrelevant, they feel like better people when they eat it.

Food is a nexus of emotions only slightly less powerful than sex; we take it for granted because we indulge every day, and often in a public setting, but trying to have a rational conversation about it is about as difficult as trying to resolve the sexual tension in society.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Especially for vegans food has become a tool for virtue signaling. Anyone who eats a non-vegan diet has instantly become an enemy of earth, an animal hater, literally Hitler - someone who destroys the planet, creates global warming and murders innocent furry creatures. You have to be aware of this cult like behavior. The keto guys may have certain views that may appear extreme, but they are not forcing everyone to go full anti-carb or see every carb eater as literally Hitler. Vegans do! It is an anti-human globalist-funded mindset that is starting to take hold in the mainstream as the acceptance of veganism is spreading. When even mainstream guys say: "Maybe I should go vegan to become healthy." and when commercial vegan food is sold everywhere now - then you have to realize that it's a negative cult that might one day impact your life.

My personal take is that we might find out one day that a predominantly meat, fish or raw dairy diet is the best for most humans. But it's likely that an advanced civilization will do a genetic test on top of a test of your individual body functions. After that this advanced medical system will calculate your individual optimal diet and required supplements/superfoods that you best consume more for your optimal health. And that process would be adjusted once a couple years. Whether you would then stick to it at 100% or 90%/80% would likely be of little consequence. But as mentioned before - that is just simple dreaming - our current system is utterly corrupt and pulled and pushed from all sides. The vegan agenda is connected to Agenda 21 and the global warming scam - plus depopulation. Aside from that it's anyone's decision and deliberation to find what works for you.