Quote: (12-20-2016 12:30 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:
Quote: (12-20-2016 03:17 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
I've seen no actual evidence for the claim that Russia was the DNC hacker.
That's because none has been released, but you're just going to have to take Obama's word for it! Don't you trust the CIA & FBI to be acting in your own interests, citizen?
Folks in the information security community are split as well. Very disappointing to see that, but that is just a natural reflection of the corporate types vs the l337 crowd that really know things.
Lizard you should probably be made aware that the US and Russia have already traded blows with each other in "cyber warfare". Each country has taken swipes at the other's electrical grid before, as a demonstration of force. Neither side launched a nuke as a response, nor made a big deal about it to the press, so what does that tell you?
Nuclear weapons are not an appropriate response to cyber attacks first of all and that cyber attacks are just traded back in kind. Obama cannot dump a shitload of "damaging" documents on Putin, so what is his reaction? Whine about it on public television, in an attempt to publicly shame Putin and block Trump.
Another thing about the supposed evidence of Fancy Bear malware/ransomware APT attacks that gets on my nerves is just because the crafters of these kinds of viruses live in Russia, does not mean that they are paid or directed by the Kremlin.
Just like the pirates in the old Age of Sail days, if French merchant vessels are being harassed by pirates sailing in and out of Spanish ports, that does not mean that the Spanish crown issued "Letters of Marque" (Royal permission to attack) to those pirates. Technically a privateer is a person holding a letter of marque,
not an actual pirate. As long as the pirate does not attack Spanish trading ships that local governor, probably does not give a good damn. The only way to fix that was either hire your own privateers or make nice with the nearby Spanish governor to stop giving them safe harbor. Ya know... use social skills? Diplomacy n' shit?
Same thing with Russia. The Zeus banking trojans came/come from Russia. Has been for almost a decade. Russia does not arrest the hackers that use these unless they skim money off Russian people. All the US government, the FBI, and Microsoft can do is take down their botnets. That's it!
Is that fair for Putin to let hackers run wild in Russia? Not really. Is it fair that The Jester and other American patriotic hackers take down sites, blogs, and doxx jihadist/radical Islamist groups and countries and not get arrested? Probably not either. At least Russia can say they do not have a law against that. We cannot say that at all.
If Obama has actual evidence of Russian government agencies directing Zeus hackers or even these political hackers, they should put it out or shut up. I am tired of hearing about it.
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