[LeoneVolpe]

VKdog,

You should probably stop using analogies to try and make your points. In the "What to do when sex just isn't fulfilling" thread, you more or less (whether you intended to or not) suggested getting proficient enough at sex that other people could have fun watching you.

VKdog Wrote:

go to the gym, work out, gain energy and stamina, and bang her hard, sex will be fun again.

sex is like sports, if you play sports like a professional athelete with a lot of energy, its fun to play sports, its aslo fun for others to watch you play sports.

As for your most recent lapse in judgment:

VKdog Wrote:

If a guy walks into a car dealership and wants to buy a nice car and you tell him that he should buy a crappy car now
and then buy a nice car later, he will think you are the worst car salesman in the world.

Ogunn Wrote: When you first learn to drive just like when you learning to game, you are going to make mistakes. Some of these mistakes will be big. If the car you are learning to drive in is a Ferrari, just like a girl who is a 9 or 10 those early mistakes can be more costly than if you started of with a much cheaper car or an average looking girl.

Furthermore if I follow your logic. If my goal is to drive a Ferrari then I should wait until I can purchase a Ferrari before I learn to drive? So when I start to learn to drive it will be in a Ferrari. A car which because of its power, I will have a much higher chance of crashing than an average vehicle. That damage can easily exceed the cost of a used car that I could have learned to drive in. Not to mention the risk of severe injury to myself and others. Hopefully you see the parallel between the Ferrari and 9 or 10. When starting off you have a much higher chance of success with 6s and below than you do with 7s and above. By practicing on 6s and below you will get good because they will be more receptive. Your SUCCESSES and FAILURES with the 6s and below will prepare you for 7s and 8s. And 8s will prepare you for 9s and 10s. If you are just starting out and all you focus on are 9s and 10s. Then chances are you are going to keep getting blown out. This will discourage you. You will tell yourself game doesn't work and you will quit long before you get good.

You need to read or reread Mystery Method.

When I first posted on this thread I said I dont bother running game on girls who are not as attractive as me, and I feel its
de-grading to me, Iam not saying its de-grading in general, Iam saying I feel its de-grading to me. Apparently the word
de-grading upset a few people.

Look if its not de-grading to you guys to run game on ugly girls then go ahead run game, who knows, maybe you guys are insane
fuk machines, and you guys know how to pound a girl really hard doggy style, so it wont matter how attractive she is because in bed
her head is face down and ass up.

What good does it do for someone to walk into a car dealership and buy more car than they can afford? Or, in the case of a Ferrari, more car than they can afford or handle? We all have to start somewhere in life, and it's plain ignorance to think you can start at the top.

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[XPQ22]

(12-10-2016 03:32 PM)VKdog Wrote:  

Look if its not de-grading to you guys to run game on ugly girls then go ahead run game, who knows, maybe you guys are insane
fuk machines, and you guys know how to pound a girl really hard doggy style, so it wont matter how attractive she is because in bed
her head is face down and ass up.

Newbie posts in main forum instead of newbie forum: check

Absurd, unreasonable standards for a newbie: check

Insinuates that because the other guys here don't subscribe to the same dippy set of standards that they must only be able to pull ugly tail: check

Won't degrade himself to talk to any chick which doesn't meet that standard, wonders why dimes don't immediately warm up to His Royal Highness when he deigns to grace them with his presence: check



Calling it: OP has never actually banged a girl doggy style, so he's trying to vicariously learn what the process is like. And yes, I am an "insane fuk machine", thank you very much.

[General Stalin]

OP apparently just likes arguing on the internet and is not actually interested in improving himself or his success with the opposite sex. Unsubscribe.

[LeoneVolpe]

If VKdog ever attended an RVF meetup:

[Leonard D Neubache]

My first reply about jacking off to anime porn might have hit a little closer to home than I suspected.

I knew a guy that did that shit just a bit too often and it must have rewired his brain because it got to the point that he couldn't get it up for women in real pornos.

Last I knew he was banging an asian 4 because at least she made the right noises and he could close his eyes and imagine...

[philosophical_recovery]

(12-10-2016 09:27 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

My first reply about jacking off to anime porn might have hit a little closer to home than I suspected.

I knew a guy that did that shit just a bit too often and it must have rewired his brain because it got to the point that he couldn't get it up for women in real pornos.

Last I knew he was banging an asian 4 because at least she made the right noises and he could close his eyes and imagine...

[kaotic]

You can lead a horse to water....you can't make it drink.

Let VK do his thing - we've tried to shed some light - some guys just want to live underneath a rock.

It's painfully clear that it's game denial-ism, and uses the worst examples to explain his point.

MGTOW is in his future, because he's too good for any girl, in his super alpha way.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

VK,

As mentioned above, this is now your second analogy that brings minimal value or is confusing. If you don't have the experience, hang back a while and soak everything in.

It is bad news to get the forum against you while your account is new.

I am doing my best to adhere to Roosh's instruction of being nice to the freshmen. You need to improve ASAP.

[Ogunn]

(12-10-2016 03:32 PM)VKdog Wrote:  

Look if its not de-grading to you guys to run game on ugly girls then go ahead run game, who knows, maybe you guys are insane
fuk machines, and you guys know how to pound a girl really hard doggy style, so it wont matter how attractive she is because in bed
her head is face down and ass up.

Vkdog no one said you have sleep with women you find unattractive.

What everyone is recommending is that you get good at opening by practicing on a wide range of women and people in general.

No one in this thread ever claimed your end goal should be to take every women you open to bed. Timing, logistics, and the sheer number of approaches make this a physical impossibility.

If your goal is to have an abundance of women that you do find attractive hounding you to spend time with them. Then you will need to become very good at game. The only way that is going to happen is through practice.

The most basic aspect of game is the approach and open. Nothing else matters if you do not master this.

It doesnt matter if you have model features and the physique of Adonis. I have a couple of friends like this. They dont approach because they think its below them since they are so good looking. So they wait on women to approach them. Or for women to make it very obvious they are interested. What are their results? They end up banging mostly 6s and 5s with an occasional 7!!!! If you fit the bill of these two guys and you are fine with their results than keep doing what you are doing. If you want more than that you are going to have to make some changes.

I can understand your reluctance to engage women you dont find attractive.

However every time you are around other human beings and you dont take advantage of opportunities to strike up a conversation you are practicing not opening. You are in essence conditioning yourself not to open. Which will inevitably lead to missed opportunities.

Hopefully the following example gets my point across.

I had not gone out in a few of weeks. My cousin calls me and wants to meet up. We plan to meet up at Sand Bar on Atlantic Ave in Delray Beach FL. I get to Delray first. My cous is running late.

I head to beach. The entrance pathway to beach is a dark. I see two forms coming towards me. I can tell they are women. As they pass one of them says "Welcome to my beach." Since its pitch black out I can’t make out what they look like. I say thanks and keep walking.

I chill at the beach for a few minutes, then head to Sandbar. I order a drink from the bar. There are three girls to my left. Through my peripheral vision I see two them checking me out. Both are chubbies, not my taste at all. I decide not to engage.

My cous shows up we end up going to another venue called Honeys. A lot of girls, but they are all 5s and 6s. The music is great but I am not feeling any of these girls. I figure hotter girls will show up later.

I decide to get me and my cous a drink. I have hard time getting the bartenders attention. A guy sitting at the bar seems to know the bartender, and gets his attention right way for me. He makes an off comment about “black lives matter to”. I know he is just trying to be friendly. But I am put off by the comment. I blow him off. I get our drinks then I post up for a bit with my cous. Shortly thereafter the guy at the bar is joined by 4 girls. Two are hot. One gets approached almost immediately and seems very open and receptive to him.

My cous and I start taking selfies. 3 girls post up in front of us. The one in the white cut off tank top, has long dark curly hair, curvy hips, nice legs and a nice ass. She is facing away from me and I cant see her face. Her two friends are a solid 7 and 7.5. The girl in the white top starts wiggling her hips to music. I hesitate for a minute or two; then her friends walk off and make for the exit. The girl in the white top turns around and....shit she is better looking than her friends!!! She is solid 8! Before I know it they are out of the club and gone. My cous says “Yo that girl in the white top was feeling you. She was checking you out on her way out.” Shortly after that we call it a night and head home.

Vkdog hopefully this example illustrates why it is important to AWLAYS OPEN!!! I missed out on an incredible opportunity later that night because I had passed up other opportunities to be social earlier that night.

A) The girls at beach,
B) The chubbies at Sandbar
C) Opening random sets at Honey
D) The guy at the bar that was later joined by hot girls.

Had I been more social and simply open to talking to whomever. I would not have hesitated talking to the girl in the white top!

[Suits]

OP wouldn't have started this thread if he was happy with his results.

And he would have started a different thread if he was willing to work hard to get the results he wants.

[Suits]

(12-08-2016 09:04 PM)VKdog Wrote:  

[philosophical_recovery]

(12-11-2016 10:51 AM)Ogunn Wrote:  

Vkdog hopefully this example illustrates why it is important to AWLAYS OPEN!!! I missed out on an incredible opportunity later that night because I had passed up other opportunities to be social earlier that night.

A) The girls at beach,
B) The chubbies at Sandbar
C) Opening random sets at Honey
D) The guy at the bar that was later joined by hot girls.

Had I been more social and simply open to talking to whomever. I would not have hesitated talking to the girl in the white top!

Bingo.

Before heading out or meeting with a girl it's important to do something to get you warmed up and in vibing zone.

I like to:

Listen to good music and sing things that I enjoy (have to get those vocal cords warmed up and ready to strike)
Talk to cashiers, male or female, and try to get a positive vibe from them
Go out of my way to say a loud hello to people I recognize in my usual jaunts
Start talking to people in my proximity to get used to using my full voice without shyness or hesitation

Sooner or later, you start flowing and there is no spoon. No hesitation to approach.

But it takes a lot of warm up work to get there and you still have to practice it as much as possible.

Even if you've got a girl. You want those social skills to stay around. Open people and do the same when you're with her. It makes everything even more fun.

[VKdog]

Just because I dont runt game on a girl it doesnt mean I wont talk to her. In fact its super easy to be social to women, especially if you know you wont run game on her. Its easy to be social to women because women tend to be more open and easier to approach. So just because I choose not to run game on a girl, doesnt mean I wont actually talk to her.

If she is a stranger in public and I dont plan to run game on her then I wouldnt go out of my way and enter her space and talk to her, if we were in a group setting and the situation present it self I certainly would but I wouldnt go out of my way just to prove that I can be a social person.

[jcardial]

(12-07-2016 10:01 PM)VKdog Wrote:  

life experiences, all girls are the same, hot ones, ugly ones, fat ones, skinny ones, dumb ones, smart ones, they are all the same.

they are all princesses, and they want to be babied, some might not show it as much as others, but at the end of the day they are all the same.

(12-07-2016 09:54 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:46 PM)VKdog Wrote:  

Iam selective because it find it so de-grading having to please and kiss the ass of girls who are not as attractive as me. And the girls who are attractive as me well they only want guys with money, lol.

Whose game guide is telling you to kiss ass to get laid?

You're outing yourself as having little to no contact with reality as far as what women are like or what they want. Your "they are all princesses" theory about women is clearly derived from TV and movies, but even fictional mediums aren't as extreme as your worldview. Your posts are so extreme they conjure thoughts of ERodger's "supreme gentleman" delusion.

The idea that all hot women consider a lot of money a necessity is also a classic excuse to deflect blame off yourself and onto external factors beyond your control. You seem to have little to no interest in taking responsibility for weak game. Your one of those guys who is always going to be saying once I have a nice apartment, a nice car or XYZ then I can finally start getting hot girls, but you have it completely backwards. Getting them into your car or apartment is the much harder part, and for a cool guy with decent game the girl is rarely going to give a crap at 4AM if it's a BMW or a Hyundai. A weird ideology like yours is a hundred times more likely to fuck things up with a hot chick than not being a baller.

[Leonard D Neubache]

All I'm hearing is "low to zero notch count".

The more pussy I ploughed the more I began to perceive women in a tactile sense rather than an optical one. A lot of the time they prefer to bang with the lights low anyway (either I'm ugly or they have self esteem issues).

The point being, after a while I wasn't looking at women as if they were pictures in a magazine. I was sensing what it would be like to smash that ass and juggle those titties, and in the dark even a 5 is plenty of fun to play around with if you don't have to invest too much to bed her. Hell, better to smash a 6 rather than go home lonely bitching about ugly women and tugging yourself to sleep. Bang the 6. You get a notch and you get that rush of testosterone. Your dick rides low and lazy the next day as if to say "job well done, mate". Do this even a handful of times and your dick goes on autopilot for anything except the most rank pussy.

Hence I have to wonder how many chicks this guy has actually banged, because his issues sound exactly like mine when I was a young virgin sap waiting for a Scandinavian supermodel to fall into my lap.

[philosophical_recovery]

(12-12-2016 02:29 AM)jcardial Wrote:  

You're outing yourself as having little to no contact with reality as far as what women are like or what they want. Your "they are all princesses" theory about women is clearly derived from TV and movies, but even fictional mediums aren't as extreme as your worldview. Your posts are so extreme they conjure thoughts of ERodger's "supreme gentleman" delusion.

The idea that all hot women consider a lot of money a necessity is also a classic excuse to deflect blame off yourself and onto external factors beyond your control. You seem to have little to no interest in taking responsibility for weak game. Your one of those guys who is always going to be saying once I have a nice apartment, a nice car or XYZ then I can finally start getting hot girls, but you have it completely backwards. Getting them into your car or apartment is the much harder part, and for a cool guy with decent game the girl is rarely going to give a crap at 4AM if it's a BMW or a Hyundai. A weird ideology like yours is a hundred times more likely to fuck things up with a hot chick than not being a baller.

Examples:

Matched with a girl once on Tinder that I already knew and had bought one drink, months before. Told her "hey, it's my birthday, come over" on Tinder. She was there and we banged.

Had a girl on a first date that I got to meet at my place for something I had that was entertaining/fun. Banged her a couple of times before I drove her home. She had taken an hour+ bus ride to see me.

Another girl I had meet me at a coffee shop, got her a coffee, got her back at my place, and banged.

Last 2 were 10+ years younger than me. First one was ~7 years younger than me. First was hottest. All I had met in real life without kissing any ass. Maybe a bit of pussy licking when I wanted to get in that young stuff. Is that beta?

And I was driving a car that cost only a few k used, didn't have expensive lures, or anything like that. Just high social value and fun.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Testify!