[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

(11-14-2016 10:16 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

On a side note, I live in Colorado. Where in the fuck is the motherfucking snow? It hasn't even been cold once yet.

Per the latest Weatherbell winter forecast: Colorado is going to be warmer than normal and have a lot less snow this year. All the cold and snow will be in New England and the Mid-Atlantic states.

California though (northern) is going to get soaked with rain and lots of snow in the mountains. So some good news for the people in CA... no more drought.

[ed pluribus unum]

(11-14-2016 10:03 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Why don't they just put some type of heating element under asphalt and concrete when they are building roads? Why haven't places been doing this for years?

Please advise.

Aloha!

In addition to the other replies (expense, frailty of the system etc) there are a lot of places where it is just too cold for it to be even remotely effective. I used to work for one of our national railroads in the Great White North here. At the switches (the remotely operated points where the train line could be switched from one track to another) there would be either blowers or heaters (propane fired). The heaters were effective in the mildest places like Southern Ontario, where temps never went too far below freezing; the wet snow melted easily and ran off, as you suggest.

However in the much colder places (think of every Winnipeg joke you've ever heard) running the heaters would have the effect of simply melting the snow in a very small area in front of the exhaust, which would promptly freeze and encase your switch in solid ice. The effective solution there was to run the cold air blower which would simply blow the loose snow out of the mechanism; at colder temperatures the snow is drier, and rather than sticking, it blows around freely.

I would caution against too much of this 'heated road' talk; some Swedish femynyst might get wind of it and demand it be implemented because, you know, sexism. It's not like they'll be the ones trying to build it or paying for it.

[ivansirko]

At first I thought Gender-neutral Snow Removal meant more women would be shoveling snow. SLICK, right?

Instead its to prioritize sidewalks over streets so women (who statistically walk more than men on the sidewalks) wont slip and fall at the expense of anyone driving including emergency services. Nevermind who may have died on the way to the hospital. Because VAGINAS!

What i dont understand is how some idiot in Stockholm thought this was a good idea. I have one. Hand over the keys to Sweden. You MoFo's just aren't cutting it anymore.

[Ski pro]

(11-14-2016 10:03 PM)Kona Wrote:  

I wonder how many women actually do the plowing and shovellin of snow?

And I have a serious question abnoutmroads and snow:

Why don't they just put some type of heating element under asphalt and concrete when they are building roads? Why haven't places been doing this for years?

Its not like three feet of snow just falls out of the sky at once, it builds up gradually. If the roads and sidewalks were warm, it would be like rain.

Please advise.

Aloha!

Heated pavements exist in a lot of ski resorts. For example the village I have my place in, the pavement (sidewalk) outside the mayors and the tourist office have heating. No build up of ice and no standing snow.

No doubt you could do it on a larger scale but it would be expensive.

They clear A LOT of snow here where I live. The order of priority is roads, then everything else, because you need the roads working to get all the other infrastructure going and so people can get to work. Sidewalks are last because they are the least relevant in terms of getting the village going after a big dump of snow.

Feminised snow clearing sounds rubbish.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

Japan has done some stuff with heated roads.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1...iping-hot/

[spokepoker]

Does sweden have access to geothermal energy?

[Scoundrel]

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As men are more likely to drive and women more likely to travel on foot, more women slipped on the ice which led to complaints that the system was sexist.

By "men are more likely to drive," does this include the truck drivers, police, taxi drivers, city workers, etc., who are likely overwhelmingly male?

As a rule of thumb, any time progressives attempt to solve a problem or rectify some perceived wrong, they only make things worse.

[polar]

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[Skull_Leader]

(11-15-2016 02:35 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

Japan has done some stuff with heated roads.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1...iping-hot/

Digging 200 meters underground for each road still sounds ludicrously expensive...

[Kona]

(11-16-2016 02:43 AM)Skull_Leader Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 02:35 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

Japan has done some stuff with heated roads.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1...iping-hot/

Digging 200 meters underground for each road still sounds ludicrously expensive...

Roadwork is a science to the Japanese.

Watch this sinkhole open up:

They fix it in two days:

For the geothermal heated roads, I doubt you have to dig more than once or twice. And theres a machine for doing it.

Aloha!

[Mr. D]

(11-15-2016 07:12 AM)Matt3B Wrote:  

What can you even say to this?

How about,
"Oh you silly Swedes, why don't you stick to what you do best; catchy pop tunes and porn?"

[kosko]

(11-15-2016 12:10 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 10:55 PM)Skull_Leader Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 10:03 PM)Kona Wrote:  

I wonder how many women actually do the plowing and shovellin of snow?

And I have a serious question abnoutmroads and snow:

Why don't they just put some type of heating element under asphalt and concrete when they are building roads? Why haven't places been doing this for years?

Its not like three feet of snow just falls out of the sky at once, it builds up gradually. If the roads and sidewalks were warm, it would be like rain.

Please advise.

Aloha!

I had been wondering about that too, so I looked into it, and apparently, It takes a surprising amount of power to run heating elements to melt snow. But with that said, there are bridges that employ heating elements like that

It would be amazingly expensive to run, yeah, and there would be all kinds of issues with drainage when the top several feet of ground was frozen. Lots of potential problems and it's just not worth the bother. They don't need that anyway. Just get the plows and salt trucks out at 3 AM and the roads will never be icy to begin with. It very rarely gets cold enough in Stockholm for salt to stop working, and if it does, the ice isn't that slippery anymore.

As to the gender equal plowing policy... these people are clearly mentally ill. They think they can rewrite reality by passing a law, and that is insane. What more is there to say?

I think Japan has heating elements under a good chunk of its roads. If you do it before hand with a basic simple system it isn't all that bad, Japan has lots of paved surfaces where runoff gets channeled on to as well.

In the USA in some older cites that still got the old steam channels under the streets before HVAC was wide spread you would get the same effect. The man holes would shoot out excess steam pressure and the roads would catch enough of the residual heat to melt light snow fall on contact.

Lots of folks plop down the cash and get for their driveway's as well. Technology is more than common it is just a matter if you want to eat that upfront cost which can be steep

You could get away with a basic ass system using steam or geothermal. But since nobody wants to pay for expensive upfront costs to install that you get shitty salting and plowing. In Canada it is much worse as we get cold enough that the concrete warps and cracks each year. They just keep doing the same system even though it still barley manages ice and you get pot holes every spring but places just to cheap to make that intial investment.

**** edit *** I just seen Hell in Newark post.

On sinkholes does that have more to do with soil fitness ? Japan on fault lines and ha's soft soil shifting all the time. Your not getting that shit here in many parts of North America.

[RatInTheWoods]

(11-14-2016 11:02 PM)Soma Wrote:  

Sexist snow need to check its privilege.

And its cis-gendered and WHITE as well.

[torid]

if even something as simple as snow removal must be "gender-neutral" and feminist, this is clearly the last stage of cancer that Sweden is at this moment, next is their total generalized collapse

[wi30]

We're only on the second page of this thread and multiple members are already discussing technological solutions to their snow problems.

This is why men run civilizations.

[weambulance]

Re: sinkholes, they happen naturally when a natural cavity forms underground, and the bridging material suddenly gives way. Like if you have limestone or marble bedrock that erodes away over time, the cavity itself might be there for thousands of years without opening up, but once the failure starts it happens very rapidly. Sinkholes aren't rare in the US and Canada, they just usually don't happen in cities.

Sinkholes can also happen when there are mines or excavations underground, and they have some kind of structural failure. Or if you have a water main break, that can wash away a bunch of soil under the road, and the road will collapse. That might be what happened there, actually. It happened in the next town over from where I live just a couple months ago.

Anywhere you have significant salt deposits or carbonate bedrock you're bound to get sinkholes.

Re: heated roads, this is a pretty good breakdown of it on Quora. I didn't want to run the numbers myself and sure enough, that guy already did.

[LionHound]

how about a type of concrete with a salt mix to help keep the snow level down?

[CynicalContrarian]

There's a reason matriarchies are rather absent from human history.

As for Japan.
When you're attacked by nuclear bombs, Godzilla & crazy anime kids every other week.
You'd best be good at infrastructure restoral.

[Matsufubu]

Couldn't they use the salt from feminists' tears to keep the roads AND pavements clear? Import all the Trump protesters as well, send them walking around Stockholm, et voila.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-16-2016 06:50 PM)LionHound Wrote:  

how about a type of concrete with a salt mix to help keep the snow level down?

You would end up with crappy concrete that did nothing to alleviate the problem.

Also, the roads and sidewalks would be blocked up by fat people licking them.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Meanwhile, in Libertarian land.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-15-2016 03:21 PM)Scoundrel Wrote:  

Quote:

As men are more likely to drive and women more likely to travel on foot, more women slipped on the ice which led to complaints that the system was sexist.

By "men are more likely to drive," does this include the truck drivers, police, taxi drivers, city workers, etc., who are likely overwhelmingly male?

As a rule of thumb, any time progressives attempt to solve a problem or rectify some perceived wrong, they only make things worse.

Presently it's less about ideology and more about simple voting demographics.

Get all of the female vote and some of the male vote and you win. How? By simply pandering to every wish and whimsy of women, scooping up the beta white-knight nu-males to make the majority stick.

Feelz. They win elections, but you can't run a civilisation on them.

Doubt it? If Hillary had come out on election day -1 and announced a plan to abolish all tax on women's hygiene products she would have tipped the pivotal electorates and won.

[Ivanis]

It is funny, because this is the argument most used with anti-feminists; 'if you want equality, go and clean the sewers or plow the roads.'

Most time the reaction from feminists is just a nervous laugh, or a smirk and 'yeah right'. Or the beloved 'we could if we want to!'


This is what I find so great about this, the feminists tried it, and not only could they not do it as well, they were so bad that they shut down a city! The next time that they say 'we could do it if we want to!', all of us can silently laugh because we know that when it comes down to that, men do it best, and that pisses them off.

Thank you Stockholm, you are the perfect example of why feminism is a lose lose game. You lose if you don't give in with protests, and you lose if you do give in with incompetent workers. I salute you!

[AntiMediocrity]

(11-18-2016 08:16 AM)Ivanis Wrote:  

It is funny, because this is the argument most used with anti-feminists; 'if you want equality, go and clean the sewers or plow the roads.'

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This is what I find so great about this, the feminists tried it, and not only could they not do it as well, they were so bad that they shut down a city!

Actually this isn't what happened, many users thought the same but were corrected upon entering the thread.

They didn't get women to plow the roads, they reduced the priority towards ensuring only roads are safe for drivers (mostly men) to have more safety on the pathways for pedestrians (mostly women).

[Ivanis]

(11-20-2016 05:46 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 08:16 AM)Ivanis Wrote:  

It is funny, because this is the argument most used with anti-feminists; 'if you want equality, go and clean the sewers or plow the roads.'

...

This is what I find so great about this, the feminists tried it, and not only could they not do it as well, they were so bad that they shut down a city!

Actually this isn't what happened, many users thought the same but were corrected upon entering the thread.

They didn't get women to plow the roads, they reduced the priority towards ensuring only roads are safe for drivers (mostly men) to have more safety on the pathways for pedestrians (mostly women).

So thats their logic? 'Don't clear the roads, there are sidewalks to worry about!

Then let me revise my previous statement; Women, when they put priority on sidewalks, are definitely not doing anything for the 'women are stupid' stereotype!