[thegmanifesto]

(08-11-2011 04:40 PM)Black Quixote Wrote:  

Dude I must hve amazing timing or be like my brother because whenever we go out we see noting but a ridculous amount of girls in dc. Like. Maybe its because my brother traned me to look at them as just floor ornaments but most of thm are jut dodes. Afraid to do anything. its weird. Most girls are dancing together waitiinnnnng or a guy. Idk. Mayb I'm lucky haha

Anyone notice how this guy never reported back with places with "ridiculous amount of girls" in DC?

AVisitor --

"First of all, in reference to that notorious Ultrabar pic, you have to keep in mind it was taken around Christmas time '09. I was there."

Ha! You were there that night? Hilarious.

"Regarding Lima, yes it's a well-known sausage fest, but the reason is very simple, girls don't like the music at Lima (techno)."

Strange. In other cities girls love techno.

"Perhaps the idea that men's success with women comes with age, is really exaggerated or just plain false."

Its exaggerated or just plain false in DC.

In South or France or Miami Beach its underestimated.

[Kish]

(08-15-2011 09:17 AM)AVisitor Wrote:  

First of all, in reference to that notorious Ultrabar pic, you have to keep in mind it was taken around Christmas time '09. I was there. That extreme sausage fest happened on a Christmas eve, which isn't surprising. There are no girls out in DC (or anywhere) on Christmas, they're all with their families.

Avistor, I'm the one who first posted that Ultra bar pic on this forum. It was taken in December 2010. There are plenty of photos I could have used at that time to illustrate how bad the ratio is but I chose that one because it was the most recent. If you look back in the archives you can see I posted it the day after Christmas.

The sausagefest that is DC has nothing to do with the weather or holidays as you can see from the pictures I posted in this thread.

[AVisitor]

I don't disagree that the ratio is bad, my point is that it gets this extreme only on holidays like Christmas (3:1), whereas most nights it trends around 1.5, which is still bad just not as high. But 1.5 still sucks, no question about it. Most people start perceiving a sausage fest when the ratio hits 1.5.

[Roosh]

AVisitor: The forum is patiently awaiting a crowd picture of a DC bar that shows a favorable ratio. Take one this weekend and post up so we can get a feel for what you're trying to describe.

[_DC_]

(08-11-2011 10:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Just when I was starting to miss hanging out with my boys, I see this picture...



Credit: http://twitter.com/#!/PatBateman22/statu...7756891136

LOL! I think the "girl" in the upper left is actually a dude. That makes it 34:8. More to the point, if it's impossible to tell, she might as well just be a dude anyway.

[thegmanifesto]

Are we even 100% sure that the blond "girl" in the foreground is actually a girl?

These days it very well could be some long haired hipster.

Let's call it 35:7 on the ratio tip.

[Arado]

Lima usually tends to have a decent ratio though until very late. I don't think girls particularly dislike techno, especially since house music is associated with a more upscale crowd.

Things vary week to week though, I'm sure you can hit gold once in awhile, just make sure you're ready to take advantage.

Any photo taken after 1:00 am in DC is a wash. Ratios are only decent until 12:00 usually. If I don't have solid leads by then, I'm usually finished for the night.

[thegmanifesto]

Come to think of it the blond "girl" in the top right could very well could be some long haired hipster as well.

Let's call it 36:6 on the ratio front.

[AVisitor]

OK guys, you've asked for pics... and you got 'em!

A detailed analysis shows that Ultrabar's normal ratio (during regular school/work season) seems to hover around 1.4 : 1. This number is actually a pretty lousy ratio for men, it's considerably competitive... just not as competitive as 3:1, which occurs during holidays. What many people don't know is that 1.4:1 is a very real sausage fest, even though it doesn't sound too bad.

All right, let's get to the pictures!

1. Fri., May 13, 2011


2. Sat., Jan 28, 2011


3. Fri., Dec 10, 2010


For comparison, this is what Ultrabar can and did look like in 2007, the "golden era" when it was filled with girls. This is the time when I was getting phone numbers left and right without even trying.

Ultrabar in early 2007


Incidentally, the ratio of 1.4-1.5 is pretty standard in all of DC's clubs right now. If you do an analysis of Ozio, Josephine, Eden, etc. it's exactly the same.

Here's a barometer of how to read sex ratios, for a single guy.

(..and below...)
0.8 = girls literally GRAB you themselves (or your phone), you just sit back and enjoy the show.
0.9
1.0 = eye contact can occur. relatively easy.
1.1 = eye contact can occur. doable.
1.2 = getting kinda tough, no eye contact anymore - that's out. You can still approach, but it's competitive.
1.3 = VERY competitive. Forget eye contact, you'll be getting rejected now.
1.4
1.5 = Sausage Fest officially begins. This is the point at which most guys feel a sausage fest starting.
1.6
1.7 = Extremely difficult, get out.
Anything Above 1.8: INSANE (but also, it rarely happens)

[Roosh]

The first picture is the best. I wouldn't mind being there that night.

Second picture.. mostly Asian girls. No thanks.

Third picture... the 1.4 number seems reasonable, but I don't see much talent.

Last picture. Great ratio. Every once in a while I get a ratio like that in a DC bar, then I go the next week and it's sausage. I found good ratios to be a matter of luck and not consistent.

The problem with DC is that even if you get a 1:1 ratio, half of the girls are beasts. It's better than 3:1, but it's a losing proposition unless those girls are pretty. Girls in the first pic seem pretty, I'm guessing it was a college night.

What percentage of the time you go out are you getting ratios like in the first picture?

[AVisitor]

Very rarely, maybe once or twice a year. Most girls at Ultrabar are Latina/Asian. To Asian girls' credit, they do dress sexy, but of course it's impossible to get anywhere with them because they're conservative and shy. Latinas as we've discussed are irrelevant and I don't even look at them.

For the record, no club in DC in recent years has had a below-1 ratio (not a single one), and even parity (1:1) is currently rare, only at places like Sign of the Whale where large groups go to celebrate Bachelorette parties. Essentially a 1:1 ratio only happens when large numbers of women, including married/off-the-market women, attend special events. It's not because there's a 1:1 singles ratio.

I have found experimentally that things improve during the months of January, February, and early March (first week of March). Local clubs tend to have more talent and greater amount of it, than at other times.

Edit: Roosh, can you also post some club pics from other locales, so we can compare and contrast? I liked that Vitoria, Brazil photo, that looks something like what was happening here in DC in 2006. I'm gathering that photo is old as well. Any others?

[Roosh]

Club shots for the sake of analyzing ratios is kind of new.

When fall starts I'm going to take photos of Poznan clubs.

[whosyourdaddy]

You should do some of the bars and maybe restaurants too, like afterwork happy hours and upscale restaurants. I just don't think that the city's club/lounges are good places to meet women. It's always been that way for the DC area. The populace is conservative and it's mostly minorities in a lot of clubs, euphemistically called the "international crowd".

And yes, it's one of the worst cities around for that aspect. I remember around 2003, you couldn't find any white people at area nightclubs, except the odd group of GW/American students or something.

But, yup, DC often has some of the worst crowds around at it’s local nightlife places

[Mrs. Chocolate]

Going to D.C in 3, 2, 1...

[JofSuperman]

I find the ratio talk about DC quite funny. It's always about night game. I mostly do day game and meetups but the only time I've done night game this year was in Adams Morgan and I learned my lesson rather quickly.

All the venues sucked except for Grand Central. I couldn't believe my eyes, from 9-11pm the ratio was around 3:1 girls to guys, and the guys there were wallflowers. It was nice and I had a blast. When the clock hit midnight the ratio flipped and it became a sausagefest. They were still cute girls, but they weren't as receptive after 12. I found out that most of the girls who were there early where out of towners from JMU and other parts of VA and MD spending the weekend in DC. Lesson learned, if I want the best ratios and most receptive women, I should show up around 9. Any time after 12 and I should expect a sausagefest.

I haven't bothered with night game since then since I love day game and know a spot in Chinatown that has a ridiculous ratio of 10+ girls to guys for day game. It's my paradise so I'll stick to that.

Day game FTW!

[Roosh]

Jof: I like day game, obviously, but I'm still a young man so I like to drink at night in a place that has beautiful women. I don't think that's too much to ask. I shouldn't be in a city where I hate to go out at night because I'm surrounded by my own gender when I purposefully didn't go to a gay bar.

[thegmanifesto]

Every place has Day Game.

Except maybe the Moon.

[Tuthmosis]

(08-16-2011 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Every place has Day Game.

Except maybe the Moon.

Or an albino colony.

[Samseau]

(08-16-2011 10:35 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Every place has Day Game.

Except maybe the Moon.

Or an albino colony.

Or a prison.

[Kish]

(08-16-2011 09:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I shouldn't be in a city where I hate to go out at night because I'm surrounded by my own gender when I purposefully didn't go to a gay bar.

Especially in a metro area with 5+ million people and several colleges. There should be at least one strip of bars where there's guaranteed to be quality women. Day game is ok but there's nothing like being surrounded by attractive women in a night venue.

[thegmanifesto]

Maybe the DC players here can get together an form a Class Action Lawsuit against Washington DC.

For "Nightlife Malpractice".

Could be a new area of litigation?

[Moma]

(08-16-2011 11:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:35 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Every place has Day Game.

Except maybe the Moon.

Or an albino colony.

Or a prison.

Prison has a day game and lockdown game but it tends to be a more homogeneous type of crowd..

[TheWolfHowls]

(08-15-2011 11:32 PM)JofSuperman Wrote:  

I find the ratio talk about DC quite funny. It's always about night game. I mostly do day game and meetups but the only time I've done night game this year was in Adams Morgan and I learned my lesson rather quickly.

All the venues sucked except for Grand Central. I couldn't believe my eyes, from 9-11pm the ratio was around 3:1 girls to guys, and the guys there were wallflowers. It was nice and I had a blast. When the clock hit midnight the ratio flipped and it became a sausagefest. They were still cute girls, but they weren't as receptive after 12. I found out that most of the girls who were there early where out of towners from JMU and other parts of VA and MD spending the weekend in DC. Lesson learned, if I want the best ratios and most receptive women, I should show up around 9. Any time after 12 and I should expect a sausagefest.

I think the reason why most aren't a fan of day game besides the guys who are too scared to do it is that after a while...it can feel like a chore since your walking around always looking for a girl to talk to vs at night where they're just there. Plus add that some day game spots can be far away(50 min drive for me for a decent one) to where it just isn't as fun. Now if i lived closer and was on errands and was doing stuff on my errands, it would be alot easier since it kills two birds with one stone.

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I haven't bothered with night game since then since I love day game and know a spot in Chinatown that has a ridiculous ratio of 10+ girls to guys for day game. It's my paradise so I'll stick to that.

Day game FTW!

Chinatown seems good from what i hear besides Georgetown. Have to check it out.

[Entropy4]

(08-16-2011 01:10 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 11:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:35 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Every place has Day Game.

Except maybe the Moon.

Or an albino colony.

Or a prison.

Prison has a day game and lockdown game but it tends to be a more homogeneous type of crowd..

I hear the ratio in prison is pretty bad as well...

[Tuthmosis]

(08-16-2011 01:10 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 11:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:35 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 10:33 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Every place has Day Game.

Except maybe the Moon.

Or an albino colony.

Or a prison.

Prison has a day game and lockdown game but it tends to be a more homogeneous type of crowd..

Roosh's next book: Prison Bang.